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61-79-list Digest Wed, 07 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 074

In This Issue:
Re: Falling debre
Re: My outburst
Re: Falling Debris
Ford Saves Animal!
Re: Ford Saves Animal!
Re: MEMORY
Re: unreachable locations
Re: Shop Manuals
Re: The man
Re: Ranger 302
Re: CLUB FTE
Re: My outburst
Re: The man
What kind of rear springs do I need for this payload??
Pigeon Forge Identification
Re: The man
Re: In Your Face!
Re: Firing order
Re: In Your Face!
Re: In Your Face!
Tempest/LeMans
Re: Tempest/LeMans
pics: 78 bronco, 76 F-150, 66? bronco
D60(torque)
Re: Tempest/LeMans
Re: Ford Saves Animal!
Re: FTE PayPal
Re: In Your Face!
Re: D60(torque)
Re: Tempest/LeMans

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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 02:02:04 -0800
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: Falling debre




"Azie L. Magnusson" wrote:
>
> My daughter has a cat(I dislike cats very much, but she is my daughter).
> Outside cat.  No pets in my house. Very strict rule here.
> One thing I can always be sure of is this fact:  I'm under a vehicle - both
> hands completely occupied and can not possibly let go and that D___ cat
> gets on my chest and sticks its A__ in my face and begins to purr..

HAHAHAHA !!!  Sounds like the farm cats that help me while I am on my
back working on something ...just enough clearance for the cat ... never
enough room for your arm to knock it off!!

dP

>
> God I'd like to kill that cat.
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.
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From: "Matt" <draygo pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:46:11 -0800

LOL! This all sounds soooo familiar!!!

Matt

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."

> Forgot to mention that all this is occurring at the same
> time you're eating dirty black gunk that's raining on your
> face when the wrench slipped (which caused the busted
> knuckles and the chain reaction).
>
> After you calm down, you crawl out from under the truck and
> catch your t-shirt on a frame bolt and rip a 4 inch tear
> in it.  Its at this point that you realize you left your
> wrench on top of the tranny and have to get under the truck
> to retrieve it again.  A faint giggle can be heard coming
> from the truck at this point when it realizes its going to
> have a second try to bust you up.
>
> Not that any of this foolishness has ever happened to me!
> (Yeah... right!)
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 04:46:17 -0500
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Falling Debris


At 04:04 AM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Well I tell ya, Cats are great pets.  They are relatively clean, always there
>to calm your nerves when ya need em too, and if all else fails, they taste
>like Chicken!  Anyone wanna swap recipees?

I like 'em deep fried, but hey, I live in the south!

Just kidding, I have 2 inside ones and there are several yard cats that I
don't feed, but they just hang out.  I don't ever have any squirrels or
mice, even though I live next to a farm field.  Can't leave your windows
down in your car overnight, or they will have an overnighter in
there.   Whenever there are too many french fries under the seats of a
vehicle, I just leave the doors open a few hours, and they all magically
disappear, along with all other food residue.

Last week there was one I hadn't seen before up a tree yodeling at the top
of its lungs.  I figure if I can back up to the tree,  I can stand on top
of the cab and get the cat.   I fire up the truck, and the cat gets down
all by itself, very quickly.  I go inside, come back out 30 minutes later
and the cat is up another tree, yodeling again.  I know he can get down by
himself now, so I call him from the bottom of the tree, and he backs down
and jumps right in my arms.  I put him down and he follows me around the
rest of the day, generally getting in the way and making a nuisance of
himself.  He was very cute, however.

I went back inside and prepared to leave the house for work.  When I leave,
I jump in the car, put it in reverse, and immediately run over the cat.  He
hops away on three legs, lays down in a ball and starts purring.  I figure
death is a minute or two away and start freaking.  I call my vet and get my
cat carrier and stuff him in the car and away we go.   The whole time the
cat is silent, and all throughout the day he was very loud, so I am not
optimistic.  We get to the vet, and pull him out of the carrier, and he
actually looks better.  When we put him down he stands on 4 legs without a
limp.  Vet checks him out and pronounces that one life has been lost from
this cat, but he appears to have a few in reserve.  Then he offers to find
a home for the cat, and doesn't charge me for a thing.  He gave him a
complete regimen of antibiotics and vitamins and vaccinations and even
cleaned his ear mites while I was there, too.  Cat is probably better off
having been run over than if he wasn't.

Didn't injure myself that day while working on vehicles, however.

George Selby
70 F-100 Ranger XLT 400 C6
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD
gselby4x4 earthlink.net


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:01:37 EST
Subject: Ford Saves Animal!

Ole Tweety and a quick foot are responsible for one dog still bein alive.  I
was toolin along listenin to the tunes, when a pup just kinda walked out and
stood in my path.  All 4 tires immediatly went to lock, and I stopped with
about 4inches to spare.  I know cuz the pup hadnt moved, and was sitting
right in front of my tire.  Well I scooped it up, and discovered it was a
she.  Inspiration hit and the pups name was Effie!  Well I took it to a vet,
got it all checked out, cleaned up and fed.  Since I was unable to keep
Effie, I found her a home with a volunteer at the animal shelter.  Last I
heard Effie was doin fine, and loves nothing more that to go for rides in the
ladies Mustang.

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:59:15 -0500
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Ford Saves Animal!


>Ole Tweety and a quick foot are responsible for one dog still bein alive.  I
>was toolin along listenin to the tunes, when a pup just kinda walked out and
>stood in my path.  All 4 tires immediatly went to lock, and I stopped with
>about 4inches to spare.  I know cuz the pup hadnt moved, and was sitting
>right in front of my tire.  Well I scooped it up, and discovered it was a
>she.  Inspiration hit and the pups name was Effie!  Well I took it to a vet,
>got it all checked out, cleaned up and fed.  Since I was unable to keep
>Effie, I found her a home with a volunteer at the animal shelter.  Last I
>heard Effie was doin fine, and loves nothing more that to go for rides in the
>ladies Mustang.

My SO's parents have a somewhat cranky bassett hound that took years to
warm up to me. The trick was taking him for rides to the dump in my truck.
Damn irritating when you have that great big bench seat and this dog wants
to lie across my lap resting his head on the driver's armrest. Even with
the seat all the way back the steering wheel would rub along his belly and
moving my foot from the gas to the brake required a bit of effort! But
after taking him for a ride a few times he loved me. He would still only
respondi to "Car, cars!" when you wanted to take him somewhere...and
bassets aren't really built for jumping off the seat of a truck to the
ground....


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:44:11 -0500
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: MEMORY



Not being able to remember names is very common with introverted
people. I fall into this category and it really maddens me. Like Gary said,
one has to really practice and make an effort. I think that this is one
reason that most salesmen (particularly commission salesmen) are extroverts.
Its just part of the personality profile. My point is that this is a natural
tendency and not something to really be ashamed of, but people like us have
to work much harder at it.

Virgil

> What I've seen over the years is that the person who remembers your name
> is
>

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From: "Larry Coffman" <coffman defnet.com>
Subject: Re: unreachable locations
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:52:09 -0500



>
> Hi Tim ,
>
> When working on my old 77 Town Car ,wrenches and nuts always fell down
> past the motor and the hoses and stuff and ALWAYS rested on the frame
> or some other nook or cranny ... nothing ever fell clear to the floor !!
>
> dPrasse


While working on my 77 f-150 this past summer, I found the original dipstick
for the power stearing stuck in the frame, I couldn`t believe it had stayed
there.

Larry Coffman
77 F-150 4x4


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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:02:19 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals



>-------------------------------------------
>
>Dudes
>How do you get to the CD-Rom shop manuals for anything later than  1972?
>There is no next page button after 72 and if I use the search function it
>comes back with no matches.  Any help?
>
>Tom H.


Gary got to them by accident.  They were removed from the
menu and now removed completely.  We ended up with a back
order because of the demand in January.  We've been told
ever since "we'll have them in 2-3 weeks."  Last we were
told as first week of March.  Well, that week came and
went.... sigh.....  we had to contact a ton of people and
tell them about it.  Good thing our policy is to wait
until an order ships before we charge.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:23:00 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: The man




Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> I would say he has a right to not have his property devalued by his
> neighbors...
>

"value" is totally subjective. You couldn't give me a house in a yupp
neighborhood where I can't change my own oil in the driveway.

                                 OX


> /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Selby" <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 6:51 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: The man
>
> >
> > There is no right to make a profit on a real estate deal.
> >

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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: Ranger 302
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:20:06 -0500

I know a guy who put a 460 in a Ranger....course he was drag racing it :-)

One of the Ford mechanics I deal with has two Ford Rangers, one with a 514 between the rails and back half boxed and tubbed the other with a 472 running a 871 blower and 33' Mickeys out the back with a spool. Both are driven on the street for fun. Had a ride in one and the closest thing I could compare it to would be like just surviving an airplane crash. Neat toy though!!!!

John
'77 F150 4X4 466/C6/4:11's/33's


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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:31:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: CLUB FTE



>
>Can someboby explain to me what exactly club FTE is all about?  Other than a
>Tshirt, what is its function?  I was trying to donate to that #$*&  pay pal
>earlier with no luck.  If I can give the same amount of money and get
>something in return....Hmm, Yea, I'm greedy. :)
>
>Rich

You can't give with PayPal unless you have a PayPal
account.  Its a popular method of money transfer
that got major exposure through eBay.

As to Club FTE:

See:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.clubfte.com/benefits.html

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:33:40 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst



>
>         No, no, no, outside, bottom edge of door. It concentrates the pain
>in a long & narrow spot and makes for an unusual lump.

I've found such lumps usually have a grove down the middle.
Oh... almost forgot, the grove resembles the lines of a
FORD truck.

Ken Payne



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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:45:39 -0600
Subject: Re: Falling debre
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> One thing I can always be sure of is this fact:  I'm under a vehicle - both
> hands completely occupied and can not possibly let go and that D___ cat
> gets on my chest and sticks its A__ in my face and begins to purr..

So...put the cat in the house when you are working on the trucks. ;-)


-- John
(1 cat, 6 dogs--all in the house. My pets don't annoy my neighbors; only I
am allowed that pleasure.)
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:41:24 -0600
Subject: Re: Ford Saves Animal!
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> The trick was taking him for rides to the dump in my truck.

Our lhaso apso doesn't care for Henry but instead prefers SWMBO's Towncar.
The power mini vents are perfect for sticking his head through while
cruising the boulevard. The swivel vent glass on the truck gets in his way.
He and the black cocker spaniel help me work on the truck by immediately
climbing into the cab and on to the seat if the door is open.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!



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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:06:55 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: The man




James Oxley wrote:

>
> "value" is totally subjective. You couldn't give me a house in a yupp
> neighborhood where I can't change my own oil in the driveway.
>
>                                   OX

Absolutely!  Now if I could get everyone else in my family to realize
this simple concept...
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:17:03 -0800 (PST)
From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: What kind of rear springs do I need for this payload??


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://id.yimg.com/d/712769f8/h/8c79f0da/Afrikad3-700.jpg


             LOL!!!

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From: "Tim Bowman" <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Pigeon Forge Identification
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:50:29 -0800


How are all of us FTEr's going to identify ourselves at PF?  Surely it can't
be by wearing a FORD hat?  A CLUB FTE Tshirt?  Hanging out at Ken's booth of
the FTE hotel which I understand to be the Howard Johnson?  What have people
done in the past?

BTW, my picture's on my website with my '71 F100.

Tim Bowman
tkbowman qwest.net
website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
(Pacific NW Carshow information & more)


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: The man
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:19:26 -0800

OTOH who wants to live next door to someone who looks like they have a
perpetual garage sale going on?

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Oxley" <luxjo thecore.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 5:23 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: The man


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> Bill Beyer wrote:
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> > I would say he has a right to not have his property devalued by his
> > neighbors...
> >
>
> "value" is totally subjective. You couldn't give me a house in a yupp
> neighborhood where I can't change my own oil in the driveway.
>
>                                   OX
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From: "mmiller14" <mmiller14 socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: In Your Face!
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:52:11 -0800


Azie, maggie11 HiWAAY.net, wrote, in part:
> God I'd like to kill that cat.

Quiz.  Choose ONE of the following:

REAL men:
1.  Love dogs.
2.  Love cats.
3.  Love dogs that eat cats.

(Content) Mine LOVE goin' for a ride in the cab of my F-250.
I find myself driving a lot more carefully with them in the cab,
knowing that they aren't "belted" in, and would be seriously
hurt in a "mishap".  Meaning:  They help me take better care
of my Ford.

(OK, so I stretched the point!)

Marv Miller - mailto:ae722 lafn.org
or:  mailto:mmiller14 socal.rr.com



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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:01:01 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Firing order


>Stu writes:  >>Sorry Bill, I take ISSUE with this statement! 8^)<<
>
>I posted the earlier post before I read this one.  Sorry.  I shudda
>(how do you like that english, teacher)known that you wouldn't
>let that one slip by..


Azie my friend, All in good fun!  8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!

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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:12:25 EST
Subject: Re: In Your Face!


In a message dated 03/07/2001 11:52:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mmiller14 socal.rr.com writes:

<< Quiz.  Choose ONE of the following:

REAL men:
1.  Love dogs.
2.  Love cats.
3.  Love dogs that eat cats.
 >>

I would pick one if you had included the word real with the word dog.

Real men have real dogs (working breeds) not toy breeds. :-) All real dogs
eat cats and keep the meter readers on alert. ;-) There used to be a cat
owned by my neighbor that would come by on occasion and urinate on the wheels
of my cars. Yes, a cat! Well, my dog was outside with me one day when this
happened and the chase was on. From then on that cat will not come into my
yard. It purposely walks around it. :-)

Gotta have a working breed dog (Australian Shepherd) to go with my working
breed truck (Ford). Aussies and Ford trucks are forged from the same stuff!
Maybe I could get my truck to chase away all of those toy trucks around here.
:-)

Rollie

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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:23:07 -0500
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: In Your Face!


I think you missed the point :-) So called dogs like chihuahuas and
poodles are not actually dogs. I think a chihuahua is actually a rat of some
kind and I am positive that a poodle (particularly those with those pom pom
hair cuts and bows) are cats of some kind. My white German Shepard will not
associate with such riff raff, but she does love to ride in my truck AND
chase cats.
Virgil

> I would pick one if you had included the word real with the word dog.
>
> Real men have real dogs (working breeds) not toy breeds. :-)

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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:41:50 -0600
Subject: Re: In Your Face!
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> Gotta have a working breed dog (Australian Shepherd) to go with my working
> breed truck (Ford). Aussies and Ford trucks are forged from the same stuff!
> Maybe I could get my truck to chase away all of those toy trucks around here.

The only dog I have ever owned that has bitten me and lived to tell about it
is the Lhasa Apso. That is one mean little ... My left hand looks like one
side of a sneaker without the laces (four holes in a neat row). I don't need
a burglar alarm.

-- John (all in good fun...I hope)
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1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Tempest/LeMans
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:49:36 -0600

Gordon writes:  >>they were both the same car Le Mans was just the
sportier version of the tempest<<

Not argueing with you Gordon, but didn't the Tempest have a
flex drive shaft and wasn't the tranny/differential in a rear mount
transaxle type thing.  Don't remember all the facts, but I was under
the impression that this was the case..Closer to 50/50 weight dist.
I've never looked under one.  Now the LeMans of later years
I have some very close up type experience with.  My good friend
put a very hot 389 in one of these from a wrecking yard GTO.
Insurance was much cheaper than on a GTO, but would run better
than most.
The driveline in the LeMans is like all other rear wheel drives
(front engine with married tranny and rear differential with rigid
driveshaft).


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Tempest/LeMans
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:00:20 -0800


Yes, the Tempest (my dad has a '63)has a transaxle and "rope shaft"...

FTE content:
We have 4 FOMOCO's between us

-----Original Message-----
From: Azie L. Magnusson [mailto:maggie11 HiWAAY.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:50 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Tempest/LeMans


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Gordon writes:  >>they were both the same car Le Mans was just the
sportier version of the tempest<<

Not argueing with you Gordon, but didn't the Tempest have a
flex drive shaft and wasn't the tranny/differential in a rear mount
transaxle type thing.  Don't remember all the facts, but I was under
the impression that this was the case..Closer to 50/50 weight dist.
I've never looked under one.  Now the LeMans of later years
I have some very close up type experience with.  My good friend
put a very hot 389 in one of these from a wrecking yard GTO.
Insurance was much cheaper than on a GTO, but would run better
than most.
The driveline in the LeMans is like all other rear wheel drives
(front engine with married tranny and rear differential with rigid
driveshaft).


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:00:12 -0900
From: Matthew Schumacher <schu schu.net>
Subject: pics: 78 bronco, 76 F-150, 66? bronco


List,

Thought you might like to see some of the pics I just posted of 3 old
Fords making their way to the Knik glacier in Alaska.

www.odoa.org/knik2000-2

Also, if you care for snowmobiling, there are more pics at:

www.schu.net/snowmachine

later,
schu

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: D60(torque)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:00:07 -0600

Rich writes:  >>I thought I read somewhere on the list that someone
said that the outer nut affected bearing pre-load.  If this was said
on this list, I cant wait for your disertation explaining this
phenomenon:)))<<

Well technically it does add pressure to the bearing - Minute,
but there.  Anytime you jam one nut to another you tend to
"take up the slack" between the inner nuts threads and the threads
of the bolt it is threaded onto, so it does have a very slight
effect.  I would never get too panicky about it, but some that
are more adept at being absolute would.  I get hundreds of
thousands of miles out of the way I do most things, so I'm
not likely going to change.  Now those things that I don't have
too good luck at, I do try different things on, and am very open
to most suggestions I get, expecially from those on this list.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: daves8 juno.com
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:25:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Tempest/LeMans


The Buick Special, Olds F-85 and Pontiac Tempest were introduced either
in 1960 or 1961 as the newest GM compacts -- competing with the Falcon, I
think, like the Chevy II.  All 3 cars were offered with the
aluminum-block 215 V8 that GM later sold to British Leyland.  The Tempest
had the Slant-four-half-of-a-389 engine.  The Olds and Buick both had a
conventional trans mounted right to the engine -- the Tempest had a rear
transaxle and a swing-axle rear suspension similar to the early Corvairs.
The 1963 Tempest still had the transaxle but looked like a smaller
version of the 1964 (very similar to the 1965).

In 1965, Pontiac came out with the GTO as a high-performance upgrade to
the Tempest.  The LeMans was a sporty two-door Tempest.  At different
times it came with an overhead cam six cylinder, a 326 V8, a 350 V8 (in
later years) and maybe other engines, I'm not really sure.

All the cars starting in 1964 (Tempest or LeMans) were conventional
configurations -- front engines with the trans mounted directly to them,
then a driveshaft going to a rear differential.

I'm pretty sure this is all correct...... it's been awhile.

FTE content?  Damned if I know.....

Sorry.

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado
..and owned a lot of FTE's over the years.....


On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:49:36 -0600 "Azie L. Magnusson"
<maggie11 HiWAAY.net> writes:
> Gordon writes:  >>they were both the same car Le Mans was just the
> sportier version of the tempest<<
>
> Not argueing with you Gordon, but didn't the Tempest have a
> flex drive shaft and wasn't the tranny/differential in a rear mount
> transaxle type thing.  Don't remember all the facts, but I was under
> the impression that this was the case..Closer to 50/50 weight dist.
> I've never looked under one.  Now the LeMans of later years
> I have some very close up type experience with.  My good friend
> put a very hot 389 in one of these from a wrecking yard GTO.
> Insurance was much cheaper than on a GTO, but would run better
> than most.
> The driveline in the LeMans is like all other rear wheel drives
> (front engine with married tranny and rear differential with rigid
> driveshaft).

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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Saves Animal!
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:55:52 -0800

Awwwww    :)


Garrett Nelson
www.1966ford.com
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:01 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Ford Saves Animal!


 ----------------------------------------------------------
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 touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
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 was toolin along listenin to the tunes, when a pup just kinda walked out and
 stood in my path.  All 4 tires immediatly went to lock, and I stopped with
 about 4inches to spare.  I know cuz the pup hadnt moved, and was sitting
 right in front of my tire.  Well I scooped it up, and discovered it was a
 she.  Inspiration hit and the pups name was Effie!  Well I took it to a vet,
 got it all checked out, cleaned up and fed.  Since I was unable to keep
 Effie, I found her a home with a volunteer at the animal shelter.  Last I
 heard Effie was doin fine, and loves nothing more that to go for rides in the
 ladies Mustang.

 Darrell & Tweety




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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: FTE PayPal
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:04:49 -0800

I just thought I would get this one out there again in case anyone missed it.

Garrett Nelson
www.1966ford.com

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Ken Payne
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:24 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] FTE PayPal

 Okay, I've been told on the list and by several personal
 emails to accept donations.  I don't know if its false
 pride or ego, but as I said it makes me uncomfortable.
 When I feel I'm in an ethical dilemma I discuss it with
 a friend who's never steered me wrong.

 Well, he told me that I ought accept the offers and
 pointed to ford diesel com as a site that does this without
 compromising itself.  I was also told that sometimes you
 insult your friends by not accepting their graciousness.
 Well, you guys are my friends and I'm humbled.  As suggested,
 I've set up a PayPal.com account (that service is really
 COOL!) and I've got a page for it:

 http://www.ford-trucks.com/Web_store/donate.html

 I've got the PayPal info there, the FTE address and our
 phone number.  Feel to call me on my nickel using our toll
 free number on that page and we can shoot the breeze.  To
 those who'd can't give or would rather not give, no sweat.

 If there is anything I can do to express my thanks to
 the list, let me know.

 Ken Payne
 Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:48:59 EST
Subject: Re: In Your Face!

In a message dated 3/7/01 12:13:15 PM Central Standard Time, SevnD2 aol.com
writes:


> Maybe I could get my truck to chase away all of those toy trucks around
> here.
> :-)
>
>

We all wish for that.


Glenn   NY

78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches)



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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: D60(torque)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:19:38 -0800


Well, if we look at it like this.....The book calls for zero to ten
thousandths axial play which essentially means that for every 1/1000" you
move the nut inward you change the axial (not radial or diagonal) free play
by that much.  On older trucks especially it would not be impossible to take
up the whole 10/1000 lee way by simply tightening the outer nut to 80# of
torque because the tolerance in the threads is probably a Number 2 to start
with and after removing and torquing the nuts many times over the life of
the truck they do get looser.  As Azie says it may not have any measurable
affect on the life of the bearings.  I haven't been privy to any white
papers on the subject so can only "Guess" at the outcome and in my
experience I would say it probably won't cause any serious damage but I'm a
perfectionist and it somet....ok....quite often comes out in my comments :-)

In fact I have lately been tightening them a little more than I used to and
the more work they have to do the tigher I leave them but I grew up on drum
brakes where a little play in the bearings was not a bad thing but with disk
brakes zero free play is the best solution even if it shortens the life of
the bearings by a percent or two which amounts to a month in the life of the
truck or something like that so it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to have
better working brakes but it can be over done and many professionals do, in
my opinion, over do it often because they misinterpret what the book it
calling for.  Again, it goes back to having that natural "Feel" for
mechanical things that helps you to "See" what needs to be done as well as
having a book to go by.

Tapered bearings are mostly radial load with "Some" axial loading designed
in.  Because of the angle of the bearings you will apply considerable
pressure to the rollers by over tightening the nut so "Some" care should be
taken to get it right :-)  You engineers out there, trig it out some time.
You might be surprised at the resolution of the forces applied by the nut.
50# of torque multiplied by the thread pitch applied to the ratio you find
by trigging the angles.......etc....  This last is in response to the idea
that you torque the bearings to 50# and leave them there as some believe
(which is totally wrong of course).

If you use the rear axle of a 9" Ford for instance the preload is actually
determined by the weight of the truck and any load you put in it because the
axle floats in the housing with only a retainer plate to prevent it from
falling out.  The direction and angle of the taper in the bearing causes
some axial preload automatically which is undoubtedly part of the design but
when lifted off the floor there is very little preload on them, just enough
to keep them from slopping about.  The thickness of the retainer plate
controls the maximum preload that can be applied when you tighten the
retainer nuts even if the machining of the parts allows more than desired so
Ford rear ends typically last a long time.  Dang near fool proof way of
doing it :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Well technically it does add pressure to the bearing - Minute,
> but there.  Anytime you jam one nut to another you tend to
> "take up the slack" between the inner nuts threads and the threads
> of the bolt it is threaded onto, so it does have a very slight
> effect.


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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:15:51 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Tempest/LeMans


And all this time I thought this was a Ford truck list. I guess I must of
missed something ...

daves8 juno.com wrote:

>
>
> The Buick Special, Olds F-85 and Pontiac Tempest were introduced either
> in 1960 or 1961 as the newest GM compacts -- competing with the Falcon, I
> think, like the Chevy II.  All 3 cars were offered with the
> aluminum-block 215 V8 that GM later sold to British Leyland.  The Tempest
> had the Slant-four-half-of-a-389 engine.  The Olds and Buick both had a
> conventional trans mounted right to the engine -- the Tempest had a rear
> transaxle and a swing-axle rear suspension similar to the early Corvairs.
>  The 1963 Tempest still had the transaxle but looked like a smaller
> version of the 1964 (very similar to the 1965).
>
> In 1965, Pontiac came out with the GTO as a high-performance upgrade to
> the Tempest.  The LeMans was a sporty two-door Tempest.  At different
> times it came with an overhead cam six cylinder, a 326 V8, a 350 V8 (in
> later years) and maybe other engines, I'm not really sure.
>
> All the cars starting in 1964 (Tempest or LeMans) were conventional
> configurations -- front engines with the trans mounted directly to them,
> then a driveshaft going to a rear differential.
>
> I'm pretty sure this is all correct...... it's been awhile.
>
> FTE content?  Damned if I know.....
>
> Sorry.
>
> Dave Schoenberg
> Arvada, Colorado
> ..and owned a lot of FTE's over the years.....
>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:49:36 -0600 "Azie L. Magnusson"
> <maggie11 HiWAAY.net> writes:
> > Gordon writes:  >>they were both the same car Le Mans was just the
> > sportier version of the tempest<<
> >
> > Not argueing with you Gordon, but didn't the Tempest have a
> > flex drive shaft and wasn't the tranny/differential in a rear mount ....


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