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61-79-list Digest Tue, 06 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 072

In This Issue:
Re: My outburst
Re: My outburst
Re: Ranger 302
Re: Fees for Lists
Unibody tailgate
Regarding 68 F250 Brakes
Rusted bolts etc
Re: Rear brakes 1968 F-250
Married Tcase
Join FTE
Re: My outburst
Firing order.
Firing order
Cyl #ing
Re: Cyl #ing
Re: Firing order
Re: Cyl #ing
Re: Mechanics' bandages
# 1 location
Rod orientation
Retirement
Heater cores
Re: Cyl #ing
Torque of outer nut on D60
Windshield sealer
1979 F-150 Questions
Re: Cyl #ing
Re: Classifieds
Re: My outburst
Re: My outburst
Re: My outburst
was My outburst, now blood loss
Re: My outburst
Re: Rear brakes 1968 F-250

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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:56:47 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski <theodore ford-trucks.net>
Subject: Re: My outburst


At 09:57 PM 3/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
>  How many of you consider
>duct tape a suitable bandage?
>
>Darrell & Tweety
>
        Super glue or silicone works for me. P.S. The black gasket maker
doesn't sting quite so bad. : )

Ted Wnorowski  Flat Rock, OH
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mailto:theodore ford-trucks.net
' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed
' 63 F-100 parts truck
' 66 F-250 352 4 speed flatbed










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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:59:26 -0500
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst


I use duct tape all the time, sometimes with a scrap of rag,
sometimes by itself, depending on how much bleeding is going on. Electrical
tape also works, but not as good. I don't know about anyone else, but I
cannot ever work on any vechiles without drawing blood at least once.

Virgil
66 F100
72 Courier

> Aww, the ways mechanics find to heal themselves... How many of you
> consider
> duct tape a suitable bandage?
>
> Darrell & Tweety
>
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:30:32 -0600
Subject: Re: My outburst
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> I don't know about anyone else, but I
> cannot ever work on any vechiles without drawing blood at least once.

If you don't draw blood, create a blister, mash a finger or thumb, or at
least put a knot on your head, you aren't working hard enough or you missed
part of the job.

-- John
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1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Serian" <serian mailandnews.com>
Subject: Re: Ranger 302
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:35:56 -0500

> A friend was asking me tonight if a 302 would bolt up to the
> transmission on his '88 Ranger with the 2.9L engine. He
> couldn't tell me what the tranny was.

If I recall correctly, the automatic transmission used in the
Ranger is the C4, and the manual is some Mazda made unit.

> I told him I would ask the experts, because I have no idea.
> I personally don't think it would,

The bell housings are VERY different.  The 302 has a much larger
bell housing than the 2.9L.  I don't know of the bolt pattern
for bolting the Mazda manual transmission to the bell housing
is the same as that for the NP435 and T-18 used on V-8's or not.
From what I have seen, however, a C4 is a C4 is a C4, regardless
of what you get it from.  You would have to change at least the
bell housing and torque converter, however.

> but someone told me one time that the 302 would bolt up to
> the same tranny as the 300 I6,

It will.  The 300-I6 has the same engine to bell housing bolt pattern
as the small block Windsor (289/302/351W) engines.  The 2.9L
found in the Ranger, however is a little V6, and has a totally
different engine to bell housing bolt pattern then the Windsor series.

The 302 is a tight fit in a Ranger, but I have seen a few of them that
have it squeezed in ... ran across a fellow who wanted to put a 351
Windsor in one, too.  Now THAT would be one heck of a tight fit, but
whoa, would that thing GO ! :-P


(and on a side note)
> Ya, winME sucks, dont buy it, stick with win98SE.

Ach, by all means upgrade to the NT kernel Windows 2000 !
WinME and Win98 are basically the same OS ... and they
both are pretty vile, being based on the DOS core.  In all
my experience as an IT professional, I have found that all
those DOS-based Win9x series are massive memory wastrels
and crash prone, though WinME is a little more stable than 98.




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From: "Serian" <serian mailandnews.com>
Subject: Re: Fees for Lists
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:01:19 -0500

> Anyway, while I and others might not mind paying for this wonderful
> experience, I suspect charging for it may ultimately stop list growth
> and even cause its untimely end...

I tend to agree.  The family of mail lists that grew from LISTSERV
base were always free.  I think a fee for list usage would not only
deter new members, but I suspect a number of current users
would leave as well.  Regardless, there are other ways to support
this excellent list.

Join ClubFTE !  Not only does it help support these lists, but you
get a spiffy membership card, and even a T-shirt (btw: great job on
the design of them).  Can you imagine the revenue generated if just
50% of the list members also signed up for a ClubFTE membership ?

Also, by buying from the FTE online store, not only does it help
directly, but it also shows potential advertisers that they have an
active audience.
Even direct contributions if you feel the spirit move you to do so.

I think that charging for personal wanted/for sale ads on the FTE
site is fair ... even downright generous.  Most local newspapers
make you pay more ... and at least here you are guaranteed a
reasonably interested audience.

Charging a fee for being on the listserv-style discussion list, I think
would kill it very quickly.




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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 07:35:34 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Unibody tailgate




If you want to see a Unibody to drool over (check out that mint
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From: "Paul Johnson" <pauljohn nortelnetworks.com>
Subject: Regarding 68 F250 Brakes
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:32:31 -0500

Hey,

I went through the same thing with the rear brakes on my 68 Mercury 250
camper special.  Took a while to track down the socket, which I believe was
actually a 2 3/8".  Ended up with an OTC socket purchased from an industrial
supply place up here (Calgary).  I actually did the chisel thing to get the
first nut off, but in order to torque them back up to spec, you pretty much
need the socket (I haven't found a set of torque pliers yet :-) )The lock
tab washers were still available from Ford (only place I could find them)
and I would advise replacing the washers if you can find them, as the old
tabs just don't "refold" all that securely.  Anyways, like I said, I did
this whole thing before, so let me know if you have any other problems.

PJ
'68 Mercury250 Camper Special
'70 Bronco 302
'86 AMC Eagle 4x4
'88 Subaru Justy 4x4
'91 Isuzu Impulse AWD



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Rusted bolts etc
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:58:39 -0600

Tom H. writes: snip>>Tried a bunch of things then started whaling on it with
a cold chisel and a 3 lb short handle sledge.  Hit the bolt head off center
and IT TURNED.  Was able to get it completly out!.  <<

Some folks have all the luck.


>>Got 1 head off and the ridge at the top of the cylinder is minimal.  About
.0025.  Question, can I just remove the pistons without reaming this small
ridge?<<

I've had good success doing this with this small ridge.  Just be careful and tap
them lightly past the ridge and most likely all will be well..

>>Next question,  Anyone try removing rusted bolts by putting a weld bead on
the head and then wrenching on it right after it cooled down (just off red)?
How well does it work?<<

Had great success doing this very thing..

I'm in digest mode and have had a terrible virus for the past few days is reason for
being so late with response.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:53:12 -0600
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: Re: Rear brakes 1968 F-250


Robert, Gary,

>The leak in my right rear brake cylinder has finally
>gotten to the point where I have to do something about
>it  - 2-9/16".  Can anyone confirm this nut size for me?
>The truck is a camper special, if that matters.
>
>Aren't there two nuts on these like on the 44's?  I remember a bend tab
>washer but also remember that that nut was very tight because it came up
>solid on something but can't remember the details right now???
>

I have to do the same job (very) soon on the same truck ('67 F250 camper
special, D60) Whoever can help me out with the proper procedure, please do.
I seem to remember Gary's explanation being mostly on target, but torque
specs and confirmation would be nice. I couldn't find it in my '67 shop
manual.  Also, I am missing the axle tag. So, any help with brake shoes
(like the proper width), brake cylinders, gaskets, suppliers, part numbers,
etc. would be appreciated. I was able to track down a new set of tab
washers. Let me know if anyone needs the info on them. Between us we should
write this up for those that follow.

Doss Halsey
'67 F250 Camper Special - Leaking right-rear brake cylinder.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Married Tcase
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:13:39 -0600

Scott H. wirtes:  >>I have stuck my head under a fair share of Hi-Boys and I  have never
seen a A/T truck with a
DIVORCED t-case.Maybe it is a regonal thing ????Maybe part time A/T
trucks have divorced cases??? Beats me,but I would like to see the tail
housing of a divorced trucks A/T and see how the T-case lever
attaches.Would not mind a A/T in my Hi-Boy some day.<<

I have both an automatic(C6) and a NP435 4 speed divorced.  I'll be happy to
send you Pics.
Give me a couple of days and expect them in your Email box if I can figure
out how to do it.  I'm not very computer literate, but I have a couple of
daughters with degrees in computer sciences, so maybe they can bo of help.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Join FTE
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:24:54 -0600

Ted Writes and Gary dittos:  >>  Join Club FTE. It's only $20 a year,
a great way to support the site, plus the web space and e-mail
address come with it.<<

Ditto for me also..It is a way to support Ken, be a member of the"family"
of FTE and have added benefits.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:47:26 EST
Subject: Re: My outburst

In a message dated 3/6/2001 6:00:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
vhhuston switch.com writes:


> I don't know about anyone else, but I
> cannot ever work on any vechiles without drawing blood at least once.
>
>     Virgil
>

If I dont draw blood, I know for a fact Im gonna have to tear it apart again.
The gods arent pleased unless Darrell sacrifices some of his life giving
blood on jobs as small as putting water in the windshield washer bottle.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Firing order.
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:01:22 -0600

Bill B. writes:  >>Frankly Ford does it "wrong" (1L, 2L, 3L, 4L, 5R, 6R,
7R, 8R) The GM numbering system is actually more accurate (1R, 2L, 3R, 4L,
5R, 6L, 7R, 8L)<<

Blasphemy!!  Stu!!!  You paying attention??


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Firing order
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:04:27 -0600

Stu writes:  >>Sorry Bill, I take ISSUE with this statement! 8^)<<

I posted the earlier post before I read this one.  Sorry.  I shudda
(how do you like that english, teacher)known that you wouldn't
let that one slip by..



Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Cyl #ing
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:17:08 -0600

Gary writes:  >>Remember the Chrysler Slant 4<<

No.  Don;t remember any slant 4's.

>> and Slant 6?<<

Yep.  Ran one in a '67 dart 200,000+ miles before doing anything
to it..Never liked it, but certainly couldn't complain about it..

The one I do remember being "Half" of a V8 was the '61 Pontiac
Lemans with choice of 4 cyl(half of a 389 I'm told) or the aluminum
V8 (326 I believe). I looked at them pretty hard, but bought the
'61 Starliner instead..Had bad memories of a '55 Pontiac that I had
bought new and kept but 4 months or so, traded for a '55 Chevy
that I went thru 4 engines in 3 months then traded for a '56 Merc
that I put 236,000+ trouble free miles on.  Never looked at a GM
since when considering a new(to me) vehicle.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Cyl #ing
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:28:54 -0800


Yes, the 194.5 or 195 was indeed half of a 389.  My dad has one in his '63
Pontiac Tempest convert.  Really weird.

FTE content:  He has a '67 F100 and an '86 Turbo coupe (with '88 drivetrain)
as well...

-----Original Message-----
From: Azie L. Magnusson [mailto:maggie11 HiWAAY.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:17 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Cyl #ing


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Gary writes:  >>Remember the Chrysler Slant 4<<

No.  Don;t remember any slant 4's.

>> and Slant 6?<<

Yep.  Ran one in a '67 dart 200,000+ miles before doing anything
to it..Never liked it, but certainly couldn't complain about it..

The one I do remember being "Half" of a V8 was the '61 Pontiac
Lemans with choice of 4 cyl(half of a 389 I'm told) or the aluminum
V8 (326 I believe). I looked at them pretty hard, but bought the
'61 Starliner instead..Had bad memories of a '55 Pontiac that I had
bought new and kept but 4 months or so, traded for a '55 Chevy
that I went thru 4 engines in 3 months then traded for a '56 Merc
that I put 236,000+ trouble free miles on.  Never looked at a GM
since when considering a new(to me) vehicle.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:39:41 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Firing order




"Azie L. Magnusson" wrote:
>

> (how do you like that english teacher) I like him just fine (and his 1962 Ford Trucks, too...)

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:40:12 EST
Subject: Re: Cyl #ing

In a message dated 3/6/2001 9:21:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
maggie11 HiWAAY.net writes:


> The one I do remember being "Half" of a V8

I've seen international 4 cyls that were half of a 345.  It was on a trailer
mount air compressor.  Pretty wierd lookin, but Ran like a top.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Keith" <a2jkeith gci.net>
Subject: Re: Mechanics' bandages
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:48:12 -0900


Best stuff I have ever found working on rigs, when you invariably slice yer
hand open with that gasket scraper(one with razor on it) or bust out the
handy dandy pocket knife to do a job that it wasnt designed to do. There is
only one product that every true blooded american, or any guy should have
that I go for,
DUCK TAPE.
nuff said.
keith
71 F250 Tbird powered 4x4


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: # 1 location
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:55:05 -0600

Steve writes:  >>The Y-Block has the #5 cylinder ahead of the #1 cylinder,
which will really screw the timing up, if you use the forward
appearing cylinder, if you catch my drift...all Ford V8's have
the #1 cylinder on the passenger (right) side of the engine...<<

I've owned Y blocks and never realized this.  I was under the impression
that the most forward cyl was always #1.  Never get too old to learn,
HUH??


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:03:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Cyl #ing
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> The one I do remember being "Half" of a V8 was the '61 Pontiac
> Lemans with choice of 4 cyl(half of a 389 I'm told) or the aluminum
> V8 (326 I believe).

Thanks for straightening this one out, Azie. I was a mere child. ;-)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Rod orientation
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:04:41 -0600

Gary writes:  >>Actually I believe I ran into one that required the rods to be turned a
certain way to fit correctly so when you press in the wrist pins you do have
to pay attention if the piston has an offset pin hole (I believe all do) but
once they are on it's a piece a cake.<<

I also believe all engines specify which orientation the rod should be in relation
to the cranks front/rear. On Fords it is rod #'s to the outside of block and
bearing locks to the inside.  Right??

I'm not completely sure I agree with your piston stamping, but I'm not disagreeing.
I usually write the # on top of them with a "junkyard marker" and it stays there.
Seems to get burned in or something, but it stays legible forever I think.  I have
those markers in both yellow and white.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Retirement
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:17:57 -0600

Gary writes:  >>Don't feel Bad John, I'm retired and haven't started on any and I mean ANY
of my projects yet.........too busy :-(<<

My exact situation.  Don't understand how I ever found time to work...


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Heater cores
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:22:11 -0600

Ken writes:  >>They sell heater cores too, I bought one from them a
long time ago for my 67.<<

Darrell responds:  >>Hey cool,<<

Naw Darrell - That would be Heat.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:46:55 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Cyl #ing




JUMPINFORD AOL.COM wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/6/2001 9:21:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> maggie11 HiWAAY.net writes:
>
> > The one I do remember being "Half" of a V8
>
> I've seen international 4 cyls that were half of a 345.  It was on a trailer
> mount air compressor.  Pretty wierd lookin, but Ran like a top.
>
> Darrell & Tweety

My first skidder, many years ago, had a gas 4 cyl 172 c.i. Ford industrial
engine. I was always told it was "half a Lincoln motor". Did Loncolns ever have
a 344?

>
>
>


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Torque of outer nut on D60
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:48:48 -0600

Gary writes:  >>The tab washer is sandwiched
between them and that outer nut better darn well be tight or you will have
trouble......<<

Naw.  You bend some of the tabs inward and some of them outward.
The tabbed washer is tounged to fit the grove in the spindle so no
rotation.. The two nuts are effectively locked together and to the spindle.
Right??

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Windshield sealer
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:55:33 -0600

Don G. writes:  >>Could super glue be used to seal arreas around windshields.  I
got these anoying little leaks in the corners and the cab of my 77 keeps
getting flooded.  :(<<

Ever try some of the clear silicone??  Worked for my Son and I
on his '79.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Joe Hartwell" <hartwell vt.edu>
Subject: 1979 F-150 Questions
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:20:50 -0500

Hey guys and gals,

As I solve more problems on my Dad's 1979 Ford F-150, I find more things to be fixed.  Fortunately, these problems have gone from necessities to niceties.

The truck occasionally runs a little on the hot side.  On the original gauge that reads "C  Normal  H", it's often on the "a" or "l".  We flushed the radiator and cooling system with Prestone Flush, and refilled with new stuff.  No luck.  I put in a new NAPA 180 degree thermostat, no significant improvement.  I put in a temp gauge from a 76 Ford, and aside from being one digit off in the part number (D3TF instead of D8TF) and reading "temp" instead of "normal" it seemed an exact replacement.  That didn't help much either.  A lab instructor at Va Tech told me the radiator shroud didn't come close enough to the fan blade, and there wasn't enough vacuum.  Could I take the radiator bolts out, get longer ones, and put spacers between the front of the truck and the radiator to push it back closer to the motor, thus putting the fan in the hole?  Would that be a good fix, or are spacers a bad idea?  Another consideration is the shroud doesn't cover all the radiator (the top 6 inches of the radiator aren't covered by the shroud), so should I get another one instead?  Where?  How much?  I've seen some stuff in Jegs called "40 Below" which is an additive to help lower engine temps, is this a good idea to try?  Dad wants me to order and install a 160 degree thermostat, is that a good idea?  The aforementioned lab instructor also suggested electric fans, but since the truck didn't come with them, Dad is against it (wants to stay original), though I may go with an auxiliary fan on front of the radiator anyway if nothing else works.

Next question:  Sometimes, the electric system seems to blink out.  For example, if I hit a really bad bump in the road (and not all bumps, maybe happens once or twice a month) the headlights, radio, any thing else electric blinks out for a moment, then back on.  I assume there is a bad ground connection somewhere, breaking the circuit.  The truck does have a 3 inch body lift.  Where would I look for grounding connections on the cab, front end, to the frame?  Where are the major ground connections (I do know about the one from the battery to the block, but are there any other major ones?)?

Next question:  I fixed the interior light by replacing it, and now it turns on by turning the light switch.  But, the inside light should come on when I open the door.  The button switches in the door frame seem stiff and I suspect they are bad, how big a job is it to replace them?  I would guess it's two connections, but is there typically much slack in the wire?  Is the wire badly recessed to make it hard to get to?  Where should I get these button door switches?

Next question:  I ran into a guy at NAPA who had just bought a 1979 that was hit in the front corner, bent frame and totaled.  He bought it for the bed for himself, the motor for his father in law.  He said it had a great factory air conditioner in it, and I could come see it myself if I'd like (he'd start the truck and let me test it out).  He priced this for $200, and said he'd throw in the brackets for a 400 for my Dad's truck because he's upgrading from a 400 to a 460 in his truck.  Do I have anything to fear with a system this old?  Is there any maintenance I need to do (replace this or that) if I do buy it and put it in Dad's truck (aside from charging the system with new R-134a)?  How big a job is this?  He said I could pull the whole metal dash assembly out of the wrecked truck (that goes from door to door), have it painted to match Dad's, and install it rather than cutting vent holes in Dad's dash.  What is the better choice for installation?  Any insight on this project?

Sorry for such a long message, but I had several questions, and I know you guys are a great resource of information and experience.  I hope to get some pics up on the website if the weather ever clears up so y'all can see what I've been working on!  Thanks in advance for your help!

Joe Hartwell
1988 Ford Ranger 2.0L
1968 Ford F100 360
1997 Harley Sportster 883




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From: daves8 juno.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:46:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Cyl #ing


The Tempest from '61 to '63 had the Slant four.  It was half of a 389.
The V8 was an aluminum block 215.  The rights to this engine were sold to
Roveer (British Leyland?) later and the V8s in the Triumph Stag and
Rovers were all derived from it.

Dave Schoenberg
Denver, Colorado

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:17:08 -0600 "Azie L. Magnusson"
<maggie11 HiWAAY.net> writes:
> The one I do remember being "Half" of a V8 was the '61 Pontiac
> Lemans with choice of 4 cyl(half of a 389 I'm told) or the aluminum
> V8 (326 I believe)........
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:41:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Classifieds


At 09:44 PM 3/5/01, you wrote:
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
>touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
>http://www.motorhaven.com/
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Ken---I tried to post a classified about my items on eBay and was rejected.
>You had said they would be OK in an earlier post. When will I be able to
>place this ad---Thanks! Bill

Give it a show now.  I forgot to upload the change.

Ken



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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:43:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst



>
>> I was pretty sick this weekend
>> recovering (and still doing so) from an earache so bad that I felt
>> like taking a drill to my head to relieve the pressure.
>
>Aww, the ways mechanics find to heal themselves... How many of you consider
>duct tape a suitable bandage?
>
>Darrell & Tweety

Even better.... the best way to forget pain from busting
your knuckles is to bang your head on the underside of the
transmission.

Ken Payne



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:49:33 EST
Subject: Re: My outburst

In a message dated 3/6/2001 1:46:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:


> Even better.... the best way to forget pain from busting
> your knuckles is to bang your head on the underside of the
> transmission.
>
> Ken Payne
>
>
>

Preach on Brother Payne!!!

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:04:55 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst


At 04:49 PM 3/6/01, you wrote:

>> Even better.... the best way to forget pain from busting
>> your knuckles is to bang your head on the underside of the
>> transmission.
>>
>> Ken Payne
>>
>>
>>
>
>Preach on Brother Payne!!!
>
>Darrell & Tweety

Forgot to mention that all this is occurring at the same
time you're eating dirty black gunk that's raining on your
face when the wrench slipped (which caused the busted
knuckles and the chain reaction).

After you calm down, you crawl out from under the truck and
catch your t-shirt on a frame bolt and rip a 4 inch tear
in it.  Its at this point that you realize you left your
wrench on top of the tranny and have to get under the truck
to retrieve it again.  A faint giggle can be heard coming
from the truck at this point when it realizes its going to
have a second try to bust you up.

Not that any of this foolishness has ever happened to me!
(Yeah... right!)

Ken



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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: was My outburst, now blood loss
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:17:17 -0800



What, have you been watching me work on my van?  My sucess wrenching is
directly proportional to the amount of blood loss...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne [mailto:kpayne ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:05 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: My outburst


Forgot to mention that all this is occurring at the same
time you're eating dirty black gunk that's raining on your
face when the wrench slipped (which caused the busted
knuckles and the chain reaction).

After you calm down, you crawl out from under the truck and
catch your t-shirt on a frame bolt and rip a 4 inch tear
in it.  Its at this point that you realize you left your
wrench on top of the tranny and have to get under the truck
to retrieve it again.  A faint giggle can be heard coming
from the truck at this point when it realizes its going to
have a second try to bust you up.

Not that any of this foolishness has ever happened to me!
(Yeah... right!)

Ken


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:40:40 EST
Subject: Re: My outburst

In a message dated 3/6/2001 2:08:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:


> Forgot to mention that all this is occurring at the same
> time you're eating dirty black gunk that's raining on your
> face when the wrench slipped

Ever notice how your hand can be over your stomach when layin under your
truck, but somehow, without fail, the stuff your wrench is knocking off
always defies physics, and falls at the 45 degree angle, with perfect aim I
might add, to nail you right in the eye, unless of course your wearing
eyewear, then they stay perfectly clean and your teeth get a nice greasing.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:14:47 EST
Subject: Re: Rear brakes 1968 F-250

In a message dated 3/5/01 8:49:39 PM Central Standard Time, gpeters3 lni.net
writes:


> The principle is the same with these and the 44's and any other tapered
> bearing spindle of any kind.  You torque the bearing to seat them only then
> you back off the nut to allow zero to 10 thousandths axial free play....with
> the outer nut tight.  This is a very important part of the regimen.  If you
> assume you have guessed correctly and leave it after the first attempt you
> will undoubtedly get them too tight.  It will always require at least two
> attempts to get it right.  Once you have the proper preload with the outer
> nut tight then you can tighten it further to line up the nearest tab and
> bend it up into the notch or against the flat as a safety.  Remember, when
> you tighten the outer nut you take up all the slack in the threads of the ....


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