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61-79-list Digest Sun, 04 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 070

In This Issue:
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
The Economics of Ford Trucks
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Re: My outburst
Fees for Lists and Bucking Truck
If you want to help...
Re: 360 firing orded
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Helping out
Re: 61-79-list] Re: [small-list] FTE ADMIN: Change to
Fees for Lists
Re: 61-79-list] Re: [small-list] FTE ADMIN: Change to
Re: Cab Mounts
Re: radiator
Ranger 302
Changing bed on '67
Re: Ranger 302
Re: Helping out
Re: Fees for Lists
Shop manuals, CD
Re: Fees for Lists
Re: Shop manuals, CD
I'm In Club FTE!, AFTE Question (off topic)??
Re: Fees for Lists
Changing bed on '67
Re: radiator

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:02:09 EST
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?

In a message dated 3/4/2001 12:44:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:


> Nuke WindowsME (just to see if anyone is watching.)
>
>

Not only watching, whole heartedly agree!!!!

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:25:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Sullivan <trendsetter4life yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?


agreed 100%

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From: "Chris Samuel" <fourmuelz email.msn.com>
Subject: The Economics of Ford Trucks
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:18:10 -0800


Hate to interrupt but I have to chime in...

I have read with interest the conversation that has erupted over the
current state of the High Tech/dotcom world, and the fortunes of FTE.
I have been here for a while now, my friend Deacon once said that he and I
should not say just how long lest we intimidate anyone, yet he has been here
longer then I; as have many others.  It is nice to see that the family cares
bout this house that Ken built. It is refreshing in this world that there is
such a place as this, where even when tempers flair, we can step back from
the fray and cool off, and in time be friends again.

Ladies and Gentz.
If you care about FTE, then you must do more then simply click on the keys
on the board before you.  You must step up and drop some coin, to assist in
keeping this place as it is.  From what I have read, you don't need to make
a charitable contribution, though I am sure that some of us have no problem
doing so, and who can tell it may come to that.  Now however, all you need
to do is simply go to the store.
I'll put money on the fact that most of you don't have the shop manual for
your truck on CD yet.  Mine's on order.  Have you picked up a copy of
"Complete book of Ford O.H.O. Parts Newsletters"? Have you got a copy of
"Off Highway Parts Applications and Specifications for Ford Vehicles" yet?
If your into Ford Engines of the 60's and 70's and even into the 80's you
owe it to your self to pick these up, they are packed full of tips and
specifications, as well as listing all the parts we can no longer get our
hands on.  Do you have a new FTE Tee Shirt yet?  You are simply under
dressed without one!  Do you have all the correct stickers and decals for
your truck?
Look I ain't a rich man, I make my living with my hands I do it 6 days a
week, that's just the way it is for me.  Sure, I'm lucky that I can make
some of my income working on exotic engines, cars, and trucks.  I've worked
hard and spent many days and nights buried in the guts of someone else's
project paying my dues.  And who knows since my day job is on the leading
edge of Si-Chips I may be underemployed tomorrow.  I ain't bragging or
whining here simply setting the ground work for saying that I can appreciate
hard work, and I know that Ken has and is putting it in, so that we all can
benefit with our various lists.  Look at FTE, this place simply reeks of
quality.  The only way that you get quality is when the craftsman puts in
the time!  I can appreciate it!  And I know that most of you do to.

I read the statistics that Ken gathered from the survey just a while back
and if you recall most people here are not patrons of FTE other then the
free things like this and the other great lists.  So here you have the crux
of the issue.  You have been talking, and you have been volunteering to
donate.
I'm going to step up and flat out challenge you to go to the store and a
purchase.
It's all set up, Ken has do nothing extra to get the funds on to the books.
This also shows that FTE as a business remains strong in an economic slip
such as we have today, making FTE even more viable to the future
advertisers, and customers.  Truly a Win-Win.  FTE has cash flow, you have
something that you can use on your truck!
I will always spend my hard earned cash with the people and organizations
that I have the best personal relationships with, I will even spend a bit
more to do so if the service is good.  Everything that I have purchased from
FTE has been just like FTE, first rate; and I have not paid any more then I
would have elsewhere, often less!
I'm also going to get a bit personal in my challenge by letting you all
know that last month I postponed several "optional" parts purchases for my
trucks and dropped the better part of a full stack of 10-spots at the FTE
store.  I did it, to give my support to Ken and FTE, after reflecting on the
information Ken shared on the survey results.  Today, I'm glad that I did,
because I know that I stepped up before Ken had to take what I feel to be
reasonable (if perhaps uncomfortable) action. And having wandered through
the store there are several items that I will be back for.  If there isn't
something in the great selection at the FTE store that you could use or
enjoy, then your driving a Chevrolet!


Long Run FTE!

Chris Samuel

I now return you to your regularly scheduled firing order discussion...



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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:23:30 -0700
From: David Oneal <ford davesmonsterpit.com>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?

Ya, winME sucks, dont buy it, stick with win98SE.

At 04:02 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
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>touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
>http://www.motorhaven.com/
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>In a message dated 3/4/2001 12:44:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:
>
>
> > Nuke WindowsME (just to see if anyone is watching.)
> >
> >
>
>Not only watching, whole heartedly agree!!!!
>
>Darrell & Tweety
>
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From: "Harley Putnam" <harleyputnam hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:36:02 -0500


Ken, I myself didn't hear any outburst last night, all I heard was a fan
kick on and clear the air a little.  Keep up the good work!  On my way to
Club FTE to sign up right after I flush, I mean send this out.
Andy

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From: sandrat ford-trucks.net
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:41:59 GMT
Subject: Fees for Lists and Bucking Truck


I think all of us owe it to Ken to pay for the lists and the information they
provide.  I would rather pay for the help I get from them rather than paying
a shop to fix something, or having something break when I need my truck, or
when I'm going down the road at 55(75 if no one's watching).  Thing is though,
not enough people would pay it, so in less than a few months, the site would
be dead.  Nobody wants that to happen, especially after all the hard work, time,
and money Ken has put into this for us.  I suggest that we all FREQUENTLY visit
the store, cough up the couple bucks to use the classifieds, and join the club.


Thanks, Robert Werner.
Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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From: OldTrux aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:04:21 EST
Subject: If you want to help...

Join Club FTE

Jerry (OldTrux) Biskup
Itasca, IL
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From: "Stevel" <canzus seanet.com>
Subject: Re: 360 firing orded
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:57:50 -0800



----- Original Message -----
From: Hogan, Tom (Portland) <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, 03 March, 2001 3:18 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 360 firing orded


> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
> touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
> http://www.motorhaven.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> For what it's worth, on American V-8s one bank is cast further forward
than
> the other.  If you look at the motor from the side you can see this.  The
> cylinder bank that is shifted towards the front of the motor (car) has
> cylinder # 1.  (I hear it works on any make.)
>

Wrong Sunshine,
The Y-Block has the #5 cylinder ahead of the #1 cylinder,
which will really screw the timing up, if you use the forward
appearing cylinder, if you catch my drift...all Ford V8's have
the #1 cylinder on the passenger (right) side of the engine...

Steve & the Rockette,
'68 F100 Ranger,
'63 F100 Custom Cab


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:05:51 -0800


Johnny Baby, it was silly to begin with IMNSHO :-)))  I've never put an
engine together by putting the rods on the crank first.  I always put the
rods in the pistons and let the pistons determine where they wind up on the
crank so the order they happen to be on the crank is completely
moot...........from any perspective, again, IMNSHO :-))  I'm glad this came
up though because it gave me the opportunity to point all this important
stuff out.  I'd never have thought to number cylinders of a inline 4 or 6
using alternate numbers that way until this was brought up :-))

BTW, when you guys do put your rods into the engine, put rubber hose on the
rod bolts to protect the crank.  Thin wall vacuum line works best.  Gas line
tends to be to thick and makes it hard to get them in sometimes.  I just buy
a length of hose, whack it all up into 2" lengths and slip the pieces on the
bolts so the rubber sticks out past the end of the bolt.  It's a real heart
breaker to pay good money to get the crank ground only to find big scratches
and burrs on the journals when putting in the bearings :-(

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> > a 318 or whatever so the cylinders would have to be numbered 1,3,5,7 or
> > 2,4,6,8 in that case wouldn't they?  Azie, what do you think?  Now that
> > would really be confusing :-)))
>
> Back in the mid 60s Pontiac had a slant four that was half of a 326 if I
> remember correctly. The cylinders were numbered 1, 2, 3, 4 from front to
> back.
>
> I think we are being silly now. Thank goodness we are still able to be
> silly.
>
> --John LaGrone


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:45:27 -0800


Actually I believe I ran into one that required the rods to be turned a
certain way to fit correctly so when you press in the wrist pins you do have
to pay attention if the piston has an offset pin hole (I believe all do) but
once they are on it's a piece a cake.  BTW, if any of you are contemplating
stamping the cylinder number in the piston top, which is perfectly legal and
actually a good idea, make sure you sand off the burrs the stamp generates
so there are no sharp, thin edges to super heat and cause preignition later
:-)  Also use the number location on the top of the piston to help you
orient the piston in the cylinder by stamping the side which needs to be
facing the outside of the block so all numbers run along the outer edge of
the block when properly installed.  Many pistons come with an arrow already
in them to point toward the front of the engine when installed so you could
put your stamp in that spot too if you prefer.  The point is that they
should be marked for the cylinder they go in because some pistons vary
enough that some engine applications will require individual honing for each
piston to get the correct clearances and having them marked makes installing
the parts that much easier.  Variations like this are rare nowdays but still
a consideration so should be checked when installing new ones.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Johnny Baby, it was silly to begin with IMNSHO :-)))  I've never put an
> engine together by putting the rods on the crank first.  I always put the
> rods in the pistons and let the pistons determine where they wind
> up on the
> crank


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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Helping out
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 00:45:42 -0500


I just ordered the 76 Ford Truck Manual on CD and the Ford Component Build
Date Code Manual (not sure what that is yet).  SWMBO was overlooking my
shoulder (AGAIN) while I was reading my FTE Email. She asked whats up, I
told her about this and that.  She said, "dont they sell something that you
can use for our truck?"  He He.  Ken, I only wished you sold motors,
differintials or body parts, cause tonight, I had PERMISSION! She even
deducted it from the check book, without me hiding the purchase under "misc
parts for the cars" lol.  Anyway, heading to California tommorrow, be back
Thursday, hopefully my CD will be here when I get back.

PS  As an Ex ASE Certified Master Mechanic, I thought I knew EVERYTHING!
This list keeps me humbled!  I Loved mechanics, there just wasnt enough
money in it to support my growing family 20 years ago.  SWMBO understands
this and doesnt bitch to much about me buying tools and test equipment to
keep me current in the field.  Even if it is to help out mostly friends and
aquaintences.  I still learn things from this list that I never expierinced,
was never tought, or I just plain forgot!  I'd hate to lose it or the
"Family" type atmosephere.

Rich


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From: "Pat" <patsplace aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: 61-79-list] Re: [small-list] FTE ADMIN: Change to
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:09:23 -0800

Nope, this is the Pat at patsplace aisl.bc.ca (aka: Powell River, British
Columbia), the one that you sent tire to gear ratio figures to and one that
you and a ton of other folks on the list have helped in my wrenching. Gotta
love this site and am looking forward to getting down to Seattle and area to
put some faces to the names on the list.
Pat
72 Ranger parts truck
73 F250 4X4
75 F250 4X4
78 150 W/overloads
79 F250 4X4 Dream Truck in progress

From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:34:19 -0800

Hey, is this the Pat that I ate breakfast with two years ago at PF --
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>  I'm not champin at the bit to part with what works out to be $37.50 Cdn.
> (Yeah, I know, I'm cheap) but I'll tell you this. I part with
> that amount of
> money for one hell of a lot less that I get from this list. Guess
> you could
> call that a YEA.
> Pat






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From: "Pat" <patsplace aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Fees for Lists
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:27:05 -0800

Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:56:09 -0800
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
:



This list saves me more than 25.00 yr. and the listers are a whole lot
smarter ( and polite ) than the "book smart parts idiot" at the local
dlrship .

The list is even better than my 79 F250 4X4 Ford manuals that show the
spindle going on before the disc brake support.
Pat
72 Ranger parts truck
73 F250 4X4
75 F250 4X4
78 150 W/overloads
79 F250 4X4 Dream Truck in progress





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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 61-79-list] Re: [small-list] FTE ADMIN: Change to
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:00:59 -0800


I enjoyed that trip and that breakfast.  He was Canadian too, that's why I
asked.  He and his wife are K-9 cops up there but I've forgotten their names
except for his first name.  The Canadian drawl threw me off for the longest
time but I finally figured out he was telling me his name was Pat so I
probably will never forget that but I have a real problem remembering names.
I am making a concerted effort to make it a point to memorize them now out
of respect for the person I talk to :-)  I met some people last year who
were really interesting but now I can't recall some of their names :-(

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Nope, this is the Pat at patsplace aisl.bc.ca (aka: Powell River, British
> Columbia), the one that you sent tire to gear ratio figures to
> and one that
>
> Hey, is this the Pat that I ate breakfast with two years ago at PF --


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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:39:53 -0600
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounts



>>> No more frame-offs in the driveway.
>>
>> Thats ok, thats why we have yards  :)
>
>Aren't you supposed to soak the heads in the bathtub?
>

dishwasher, man. It works great.

Seriously, I used to use the dishwasher to clean my washable furnace
filters. After a few years of doing this, a black tar-like substance built
up on the inside of the dishwasher. Repeated attempts to clean it failed,
including special "dishwasher cleaners".

Doss Halsey
'67 F250 Camper Special with very clean heads


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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 12:07:09 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: radiator



>
>In a message dated 3/3/01 5:55:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>f10074 ford-trucks.com writes:
>
><< I ordered a radiator.com an advertiser for the list and I can tell you I
> am quite happy with it.  I got a good deal on it and it was free
> shipping.  They were very helpful. >>
>
>I have gotten 2 for Ford trucks in the past year from them, excellent
>products and prices.  Just returned from SanDiego where my youngest son
>graduated from Marine Boot Camp this past Friday.
>Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

Ford Truck Enthusiasts is a a radiator.com affiliate.  If
you order from them, use this link:

www.myaffiliateprogram.com/u/radiator/b.asp?id=1340

Your price will be the same and it helps support this site.
They sell heater cores too, I bought one from them a long
time ago for my 67.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts





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From: "Matt" <draygo pacifier.com>
Subject: Ranger 302
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:02:04 -0800

Sorry guys, I know this is out of the "61-79" range, but I didn't wanna
subscribe to the "mini's" for one question. A friend was asking me tonight
if a 302 would bolt up to the transmission on his '88 Ranger with the 2.9L
engine. He couldn't tell me what the tranny was. I told him I would ask the
experts, because I have no idea. I personally don't think it would, but
someone told me one time that the 302 would bolt up to the same tranny as
the 300 I6, So who knows what bolts to what? So what do I tell him?

Matt

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."




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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:09:31 -0600
Subject: Re: 360 firing orded
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


>  Wrong Sunshine,
>  The Y-Block has the #5 cylinder ahead of the #1 cylinder,
> which will really screw the timing up, if you use the forward
> appearing cylinder, if you catch my drift...all Ford V8's have
> the #1 cylinder on the passenger (right) side of the engine...

Now that you mention it, seems like I worked on a mopar(maybe) V8 many many
moons ago that had the #1 cylinder as the one closest to the firewall on the
left bank.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:15:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Helping out
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> I just ordered the 76 Ford Truck Manual on CD

Ken, I have a question about the CDs. Since I run Macs for the most part, I
have to be careful when I buy something like this. Are the files Acrobat PDF
or does the CD use a proprietary file reader? I'm really interested in the
79 manual, but I need to know more info than I can find on the web site.

Thanks,

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Changing bed on '67
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:37:18 -0800


Hello all,

Putting a new(er) bed on dad's 67 SB.  Need to get the swap done in an
afternoon and figured the old bed bolts would be bad, so wanted to have new
ones on hand.

Does anyone know what size (and how many) we'll need?  I know I've seen them
in catalogs, but we want to try and get it done this weekend so we'll have
to purchase them locally.

Also, is there a plug for the taillight harness somewhere or is it one piece
all the way?

Anyone in the Sacramento area want the old one (needs bed side replaced)?
If we had the time and place to work, we'd make a matching trailer...


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Ranger 302
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:41:21 -0800


There is tons of swap info out in cyberspace.  A quick search turned up
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trucks.about.com/autos/trucks/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%
2Fwww.rangerpowersports.com%2Ftech%2Fv8swaps%2F

This would be a good place to start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt [mailto:draygo pacifier.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:02 PM
To: FTE Offroad-list; FTE 61-79
Subject: [61-79-list] Ranger 302


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Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
http://www.motorhaven.com/
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Sorry guys, I know this is out of the "61-79" range, but I didn't wanna
subscribe to the "mini's" for one question. A friend was asking me tonight
if a 302 would bolt up to the transmission on his '88 Ranger with the 2.9L
engine. He couldn't tell me what the tranny was. I told him I would ask the
experts, because I have no idea. I personally don't think it would, but
someone told me one time that the 302 would bolt up to the same tranny as
the 300 I6, So who knows what bolts to what? So what do I tell him?

Matt

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."



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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Helping out
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:40:09 -0800


Yes and I could not find the 78/79 CD manuals?  It seems to stop at 72?
Where did you find it John?

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> > I just ordered the 76 Ford Truck Manual on CD
>
> -- John


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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:48:11 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Fees for Lists


Well, I appreciate Ken's stance...All of us (well, almost all, I'm sure)
who have been on this list for some time know and appreciate its value
and (speaking for myself) would pay a reasonable fee to keep getting
it...until it reached its point of diminishing returns and no longer
seemed worth it dollar-wise...One thing I have noticed that while the
list seems to grow, there is natural attrition (where is Deacon?), but
the attrition seems to be more than balanced by new people.  I wonder if
a fee ($25 or whatever) might scare new people off, since they would
probably not know the kind of help and expertise is available here
(which makes this place a bargain at almost any price).

Anyway, while I and others might not mind paying for this wonderful
experience, I suspect charging for it may ultimately stop list growth
and even cause its untimely end...







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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Shop manuals, CD
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:51:40 -0800


Found it!  Had to use the site search to find it because it didn't come up
in the regular page due to not having a "Next Page" button after 72.  Ken,
take note :-)  If you can't find your item try the search.  No programmer is
perfect and things fall between the cracks sometimes.  The info it there,
just not linked up yet.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Fees for Lists
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:22:42 -0800


You may be correct there which is why I am perusing the store and joining
the club.  The Club money goes right into his account and he doesn't have to
deduct the cost of sale items from it so this would be the most efficient
way to boost his income I would think :-)  Guess I will have to type in my
number several times though since the store seems to be split up in such a
way that it won't keep it all in the cart.  I've tried everything I can
think of but it always dumps me out when I switch between the club and the
rest of the store.

I think it's interesting that it finally came around to what I suggested
several years ago when we tried to set up AFTE.  The club is now where it
belongs IMHO and the money is going where it belongs too and is being run by
someone who already has everything set up to automate it.  I'm sorry we had
to wade around so long in our futile attempts to organize a club on our own
but happy that Ken took it on and will benefit from it.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Anyway, while I and others might not mind paying for this wonderful
> experience, I suspect charging for it may ultimately stop list growth
> and even cause its untimely end...


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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:34:38 -0600
Subject: Re: Shop manuals, CD
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> Found it!  Had to use the site search to find it because it didn't come up
> in the regular page due to not having a "Next Page" button after 72.  Ken,
> take note :-)  If you can't find your item try the search.  No programmer is
> perfect and things fall between the cracks sometimes.  The info it there,
> just not linked up yet.

Glad you found it, Gary. Work got in the way of a timely reply on my part. I
was using that screwy WindowsME machine of my son's on Sunday afternoon so I
wasn't sure what was my problem and what was a site problem. The search is
how I found them, too. I knew they were there because Ken had announced
them.

I want a CD badly, but I am in the middle of graduate school and have
priorities that are not necessarily to my liking, but have to be. I haven't
even finished repairing my door from its entanglement with the basketball
goal and that happened over a year ago.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Shop manuals, CD
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:43:30 -0800


Don't feel Bad John, I'm retired and haven't started on any and I mean ANY
of my projects yet.........too busy :-(

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I haven't
> even finished repairing my door from its entanglement with the basketball
> goal and that happened over a year ago.
>
> -- John


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: I'm In Club FTE!, AFTE Question (off topic)??
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:25:54 -0800


Ok, I am now an official member of Club FTE and have purchased something
from the store (78 CD) so I will feel better about using the free features
of the FTE site including the lists :-)  Now I have to get hold of the old
AFTE officers and ask a question about our remaining funds.  Don, you are on
this list so I'll ask you right now.........what do you think about just
sending the money to Ken and closing the account?  Club FTE is going to do
everything we ever thought we wanted to do so why not?  Looks like the
balance is $348.10 right now.  Not sure what we should do about Wayne's
magnetic club logos?  Wayne, you out there?

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:28:55 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Fees for Lists


Now I'm going to respond to my own posting and say "Get you a** in there
and join the Club..."

Dennis Pearson wrote:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
> touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
> http://www.motorhaven.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Well, I appreciate Ken's stance...All of us (well, almost all, I'm sure)
> who have been on this list for some time know and appreciate its value
> and (speaking for myself) would pay a reasonable fee to keep getting
> it...until it reached its point of diminishing returns and no longer
> seemed worth it dollar-wise...One thing I have noticed that while the
> list seems to grow, there is natural attrition (where is Deacon?), but
> the attrition seems to be more than balanced by new people.  I wonder if
> a fee ($25 or whatever) might scare new people off, since they would
> probably not know the kind of help and expertise is available here
> (which makes this place a bargain at almost any price).
>
> Anyway, while I and others might not mind paying for this wonderful
> experience, I suspect charging for it may ultimately stop list growth
> and even cause its untimely end...
>
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:32:19 -0800
From: Eric <ekdonaldson bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Changing bed on '67


Ric - You'll need 2 hex bolts for the rear and I think 6  7/16" carriage
bolts for the others. The carriage bolts might be hard to find so you might
want to start looking before you need them. I find that any 7/16 carriage
bolt I can find has no thread within about 2-3" of the head. Ive got hex
bolts in all holes temporarily.
Eric D


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:50:10 EST
Subject: Re: radiator

In a message dated 3/5/2001 5:54:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:


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