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61-79-list Digest Sat, 03 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 069

In This Issue:
Re: Fees for Lists
My outburst
Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds
Re: My outburst
Fwd: Free to good home
360 firing orded
Re: 360 firing orded
Re: 360 firing orded
Re: 360 firing orded
Re: My Outburst
Re: Fees for Lists
Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds
Re: 360 firing orded
Re: My outburst
Re: Fuel tank sending unit?
Re: My outburst
Re: 360 firing orded
Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
radiator
Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Here is the company address for FTE
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Greatest engine there never was
Truck Pics
Vol Contributions
Re: radiator
Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?

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From: "Josh Assing" <josh jassing.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:16:39 -0800
Subject: Re: Fees for Lists


I'll 3rd this..
While the point of "advertisements" dropping 80% bugged me -- i've
never had a need to officially "advertise" something; but I would pay
to do so -- especially to a targeted market.
I've gotten lots of good help/advise from this list & would chip in
what I could.

On 2 Mar 2001, at 23:32, JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
> touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
> http://www.motorhaven.com/
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> In a message dated 3/2/2001 7:25:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> gpeters3 lni.net writes:
>
>
> > BRAVO!!!  You've been staying ahead of the game right along, we knew you
> > would come up with something but.....you have a loyal family out here and we
> > will gladly contribute some "keep afloat" money to help the family if you
> > just ask.....in fact, if you just give us permission.  We don't want to hurt
> > your pride or make you feel like you are taking hand outs but we don't want
> > you to suffer hardship on our account either.  Call it a token gift of
> > appreciation for what you've done so far if you must.  Just say it's ok and
> > give us and address and I think you will be surprised with the response. (I
> > already have your address but won't send anything til you say "OK")
> >
> > --
> > Happily Retired (but broke)
> > Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> >
>
>
> I'm going to 2nd this.  I was going to write this directly to you, but I
> figured here is as good a place as any.  If you could send me an address to
> mail a check, or give me an acct# for deposit to an account, I want to donate
> some $$ to FTE.  These lists have not only saved me countless dollars and
> prevented me from wasted hours chasing problems, but after having met you
> folks I considered you friends.  Then my very close friend died, and this
> list helped his wife and kids get through a very rough holiday.  This list
> helped his wife in the emotional side of it as well.  Having lost her husband
> in a town she had just moved to, devoid of friends, we proved that good
> people are out there.  Thinking about that still brings tears to my eyes, its
> still hard to believe that hes gone.  But now you and Peggy have proved that
> were not just friends, we're all family.  I really hope you'll let me do this
> for you.
>
> Thanks
>
> Darrell & Tweety
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:37:09 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: My outburst


Forgive my outburst last night.  It was unprofessional
and unbecoming of me.  The only excuse I have is being
sick which has made me irritable.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:13:51 -0600
Subject: Re: My outburst
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> Forgive my outburst last night.  It was unprofessional
> and unbecoming of me.  The only excuse I have is being
> sick which has made me irritable.

Done. Many of us have vented before. It's good for the soul.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Tim Bowman" <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:08:47 -0800


I'm with Darrell and the others who are willing to pay a subscription fee
for the list. The classified charge is also okay with me.

While I've not purchased anything through FTE, I've joined CLUB FTE,
volunteered to help Ken at PF, organized a Seattle FTE get together (and
planning for another one), and generally tried to make a positive
contribution to this interest in my life.  On the flip side, I've received a
great deal of answers to questions I've had either through the list server
or the website.  Thanks to Gary, Darrell, Stu, Ken, and many others I can't
remember off the top of my head.

As a businessman (CPA type), I was very skeptical of the internet business
model from the beginning that descredited the notion that one has to make a
few $$ to survive.  So I applaud Ken for taking a stand and realizing that
he has something of value for all of us.  And the all of us need to stand
behind him and encourage him to take the steps necessary for him to have his
endeavors show a profit.

I belong to another automobile club which has an extremely active list
server.  This club instituted a  dues policy and the club has definately
continued to grow and provide a significant amount of benefit to it's
members.  There's the very active list server, website, a magazine
distributed on CD, terrific calendar for purchase, numerous surprize items
that just show up in the mail, and more.  I share this just to indicate that
charging dues does not necessarily mean the end of the benefits of what
we've come to know and enjoy.

Off the soap box and out to the garage.  It's going to be a day of putting
new axles in my wife's Subaru and sizing up the TCI suspension kit I just
acquired for my 56 F100 project.  I'm really itching to get started
disassembling and welding.  But I have to take a deep breath and approach
this somewhat rationally as once I remove the front suspension, I'm really
committed!

Tim Bowman
tkbowman qwest.net
website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
(Pacific NW Carshow information & more)


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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:26:41 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann <herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Re: My outburst


At 11:37 AM 3/3/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Forgive my outburst last night.  It was unprofessional
>and unbecoming of me.  The only excuse I have is being
>sick which has made me irritable.
>
>Regards,
>Ken Payne
>Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>



Ken,

I don't normally jump in and make many comments on the type of postings
going on last night, but sick or not my freind, I read through every one of
them and I didn't see any reason for you to apologize. Keep up the great
work ol'buddy!

Dan Herrmann



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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:59:04 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Fwd: Free to good home



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>Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:04:27 -0800
>To: kpayne ford-trucks.com
>From: Eric <ekdonaldson bc.sympatico.ca>
>Subject: Free to good home
>
>Spindles, calipers, and rotors for (I think!) F-series circa '68. The
>calipers are quite large and the lug nuts require a 1 1/16" socket. I have
>subsequently obtained a complete '78 front suspension which has smaller
>components, so I don't need this stuff.
>I'm in Vancouver.
>
>Thanks, Eric D



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From: "Jeffrey Bennett" <jmb40 amexol.net>
Subject: 360 firing orded
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:49:42 -0500

can someone answer this please. What's the correct firing order for a 68 360. And are
cylinders 1-4 on the left and 5-8 on the right looking at the front of the motor.

thanks
jeff


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From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: Re: 360 firing orded
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:18:06 -0700


I know this one!  Finally ;-) one I can help out with. Typically when you
refer to anything on a car, it is as if you were sitting in the drivers
seat.  Thus on the typical American car you are on the left side.  This
principle is used through the car.  Thus when you are looking at the engine
from the front, it is sometimes confusing.  So cylinders 1-4 are on the
right hand (Passenger side) and 5-8 are on the left (drivers side).
Now hopefully I haven't confused you.  The firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

Hope this helps,  Rich

> can someone answer this please. What's the correct firing order for a 68
360. And are
> cylinders 1-4 on the left and 5-8 on the right looking at the front of the
motor.
>
> thanks
> jeff



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From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: Re: 360 firing orded
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:20:15 -0700


Oooops!  One thing I forgot,  this firing order is cast on the top of your
intake manifold between the carburetor and the distributor.
> can someone answer this please. What's the correct firing order for a 68
360. And are
> cylinders 1-4 on the left and 5-8 on the right looking at the front of the
motor.



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From: "Jeffrey Bennett" <jmb40 amexol.net>
Subject: Re: 360 firing orded
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:33:41 -0500


yep, thanks Rich

jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Larsen <richlars burgoyne.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:18 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 360 firing orded


> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
> touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
> http://www.motorhaven.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> I know this one!  Finally ;-) one I can help out with. Typically when you
> refer to anything on a car, it is as if you were sitting in the drivers
> seat.  Thus on the typical American car you are on the left side.  This
> principle is used through the car.  Thus when you are looking at the
engine
> from the front, it is sometimes confusing.  So cylinders 1-4 are on the
> right hand (Passenger side) and 5-8 are on the left (drivers side).
> Now hopefully I haven't confused you.  The firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
>
> Hope this helps,  Rich
>
> > can someone answer this please. What's the correct firing order for a 68
> 360. And are
> > cylinders 1-4 on the left and 5-8 on the right looking at the front of
the
> motor.
> >
> > thanks
> > jeff
>
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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: My Outburst
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:50:35 -0500

I cannot think of a single person I've known who doesn't have an off day and can have their buttons pushed. I did learn though just how much you have given to run such a valuable site to Ford-a-holics. I thank you for your time and work and wherever the road leads to keep it on track I'll support. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

John
'77 F150 4X4 466/C6/4:11's/33's


Forgive my outburst last night.  It was unprofessional
and unbecoming of me.  The only excuse I have is being
sick which has made me irritable.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:05:44 EST
Subject: Re: Fees for Lists

Although I have not been a part of this list very long, I recognize alot of
names every time I get on and check out the new topics being dicussed.  To me
that says there are a lot of people out there that knows alot about this
subject (the list topic) And I beleave that it is worth a nominial fee just
to be able to retreave some of this info and share in the discussions that
occur on this list.  I consider myself a pretty knowledgable individual when
it comes to mechanics, but I have learned a thing or two from being a member
of this list.  I would have no problem with a 25.00 fee for access to all the
info that floats around this list.

Glenn  NY

78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches)



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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:15:50 -0800


It was 55 degrees today but I had to go to dinner with the kids.  I'm over
that stupid flu bug now and am starting to get a little tingle of Spring
Fever myself :-)  Just paid good money for two truck traders at the gas
station when I stopped for gas.  Looking for another deal like the one I had
to pass up....2, 48 F-4's in restorable shape for $1000.  I've seen some
50's vintages go in the $400 range lately but not interested in those.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> acquired for my 56 F100 project.  I'm really itching to get started
> disassembling and welding.  But I have to take a deep breath and approach
> this somewhat rationally as once I remove the front suspension, I'm really
> committed!
>
> Tim Bowman


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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 360 firing orded
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:18:06 -0800


For what it's worth, on American V-8s one bank is cast further forward than
the other.  If you look at the motor from the side you can see this.  The
cylinder bank that is shifted towards the front of the motor (car) has
cylinder # 1.  (I hear it works on any make.)

Tom H

> yep, thanks Rich
>
> jeff
> > I know this one!  Finally ;-) one I can help out with.
> Typically when you
> > refer to anything on a car, it is as if you were sitting in
> the drivers
> > seat.  Thus on the typical American car you are on the left
> side.  This
> > principle is used through the car.  Thus when you are looking at the
> engine
> > from the front, it is sometimes confusing.  So cylinders
> 1-4 are on the
> > right hand (Passenger side) and 5-8 are on the left (drivers side).
> > Now hopefully I haven't confused you.  The firing order is
> 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
> >
> > Hope this helps,  Rich
> >
> > > can someone answer this please. What's the correct firing
> order for a 68
> > 360. And are
> > > cylinders 1-4 on the left and 5-8 on the right looking at
> the front of
> the
> > motor.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > jeff
>

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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:18:05 -0800


>
> Forgive my outburst last night.  It was unprofessional
> and unbecoming of me.  The only excuse I have is being
> sick which has made me irritable.
>
> Regards,
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>

I forgive you. :o).  Reading the posts I could see you were working up a
head of steam there.  I think you probably deserved a release at that point.
I do remember reading that when Abe Lincoln was in that situation he would
write the scathing letter he wanted to, immediately burn it and then write
the toned down version that he felt he could send.  Just rambling.

You may want to correspond to Annie directly and see if you two can work
something out.  I think I can remember some of her earlier posts and if so I
know she got some very good and valuable info from it.
To Annie,  some things you said in your post led me to believe that FTE is
some large faceless corporate entity.  "They" is Ken and family.  And as is
obvious from the previous posts his extended 'Family' is quite large.

Ken,  things are tight for me now but soon as I work it out (in the next 4
weeks) put me down for an FTE membership.

Tom H.

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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:24:46 EST
Subject: Re: Fuel tank sending unit?

One quick way to tell if it's a sending unit or not. With a ohm meter put a
lead on the post and one to the ground (sender removed from tank) move the
float up and down resistance should change with the movement.  If it is
consistant in both directions then your sender is fine.  Try cleaning the
edge of the sender where it connects to the tank creating the ground.


Glenn   NY

78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches)



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:27:30 EST
Subject: Re: My outburst

I feel your outburst was warrented Ken even though not being a member for
long this is a great list.


Glenn   NY

78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches)



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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 360 firing orded
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:36:40 -0800

Yes it does work on any V-8 (6,10,12) since unless you have "tongue &
groove" ends on the rod ends like a Harley-Davidson one side has to be
forward of the other to fit both rods on the crank journal. The only
differences are how the different makes number the cylinders and which
cylinder is forward. Frankly Ford does it "wrong" (1L, 2L, 3L, 4L, 5R, 6R,
7R, 8R) The GM numbering system is actually more accurate (1R, 2L, 3R, 4L,
5R, 6L, 7R, 8L)

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 3:18 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 360 firing orded


> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
> touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
> http://www.motorhaven.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> For what it's worth, on American V-8s one bank is cast further forward
than
> the other.  If you look at the motor from the side you can see this.  The
> cylinder bank that is shifted towards the front of the motor (car) has
> cylinder # 1.  (I hear it works on any make.)
>
> Tom H




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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:35:24 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?


> Frankly Ford does it "wrong"


Sorry Bill, I take ISSUE with this statement! 8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!

(1L, 2L, 3L, 4L, 5R, 6R,
>7R, 8R) The GM numbering system is actually more accurate (1R, 2L, 3R, 4L,
>5R, 6L, 7R, 8L)
>
>/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\
>

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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:57:12 -0700
From: "William (Tony) Whited" <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: radiator


I ordered a radiator.com an advertiser for the list and I can tell you I
am quite happy with it.  I got a good deal on it and it was free
shipping.  They were very helpful.

--
William (Tony) Whited
74 F350 Ranger XLT Super Camper Special 460
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi



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From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 01:57:44


Bravo!!!!!

Chris


>From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds
>Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:08:26 -0500
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
>touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
>http://www.motorhaven.com/
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> >I didnt mean it to get ugly, its just I loved the www.fordtruck site
>because they were not greedy, I figured they made there money to run things
>off of there membership fee's and other things they sell at there online
>store. I have turned many a person on to this site because it was free
>classifieds, and in so doing those people buy other things from the on line
>store etc. However it is just as easy to use other free sites where you can
>also email a pic to put on also at no charge for the time being I guess. I
>have 10 Ford trucks and this is a great site but if they are going to start
>to charge for classifieds belive me people will just go else where to
>advertise.  Annie
>
>Annie posts that she didn't mean to get ugly and in the
>same breath calls me greedy.  She states that the site
>makes its money from Club FTE fees (its broken even on
>that) and the online store (which only pays Jolene's
>salary, mine depends on the ad revenues that have dropped
>80%).  How wrong she is.
>
>Annie could make ten grand selling trucks through the
>site and she'd still never spend a dime.  Who's the
>selfish one?  Web sites are dropping like flies, over
>190 multi-million dollar sites have folded in the last
>9 months.  Yet Annie thinks everything is just fine and
>dandy.
>
>I'm never asked anyone to buy from FTE, require it or held
>it against anyone if they didn't purchase (I try not to
>keep score)....
>....but after being called greedy and being insulted I'm
>going to make an exception:
>
>Annie,
>
>I'm publicly calling you on your BS.  You praise the way
>FTE supported itself when it didn't charge for ads and
>consider it greedy that we can't continue that way.  Well,
>I'm here to let everyone know you never did a damn thing
>to help support the revenue model you praised so much.
>Not unless you bought something using an alias.
>
>Since the lists and site are of no value to Annie then Annie
>is of no value to Ken.  She can no longer post on the lists
>or the message boards.  I guess I'm just a greedy SOB for not
>writing Annie a check for surfing on the site.  Annie will
>have to be content watching us have fun while she silently
>sits on the sidelines.... I certainly won't lose any sleep
>over it.
>
>Signed,
>Pissed Admin
>
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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:04:26 -0800

Why am I not surprised Stu...;-)

OK here's my thinking. It really makes no sense to have rods 1 & 5, 2 & 6, 3
& 7 and 4 & 8 on the same journals. GM has rods 1 & 2, 3 & 4, 5 & 6 and 7 &
8 share journals. It makes the most sense TO ME that way. If you were to
"fold" the two banks of cylinders together then the cylinders would be
numbered 1-8 from front to back on a GM engine. With Ford they would be
numbered 1,5,2,6,3,7,4,8.  It doesn't mean that GM motors are better, just
the cylinder numbering system.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Varner" <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 5:35 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?


> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
> touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
> http://www.motorhaven.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Frankly Ford does it "wrong"
>
>
> Sorry Bill, I take ISSUE with this statement! 8^)
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
>




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From: "JOHN    HELLDORFER" <john96mom worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Here is the company address for FTE
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:54:04 -0800

To all that may want to help Ken with his on going advertising dilemma ..His
address is ...for the Company
>> .  If you could send me an address to
mail a check, or give me an acct# for deposit to an account, I want to
donate
some $$ to FTE.  These lists have not only saved me countless dollars and
prevented me from wasted hours chasing problems, but after having met you
folks I considered you friends.<<<<

Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc.
PO Box 422
Lilburn, GA 30048
770-806-1955
1-877-399-6417 (advertising and order inquires)










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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:48:57 -0800


Me too, sort of :-)  I kind of like the 1234 and 5678 deal.  It's easier for
me to remember where the cylinders are when I work on the outside of the
engine that way.  I look at the outside a lot more than I do the inside so
keeping track is biased to that rather that to rebuilding which only happens
occasionally.  When I put the engine together I put #1 rod on #1 piston and
put #1 piston in the #1 hole and....amazingly enough the correct rod winds
up in the correct place so I think that argument is pretty moot :-)  BUT,
TEHO I always say :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> > Frankly Ford does it "wrong"
>
>
> Sorry Bill, I take ISSUE with this statement! 8^)
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:01:12 -0800


Ok, so what do we look at, the block or the crank?  What's your favorite
color?  What kind of dog do you like best?  That's where this argument
belongs since there is no scientific reason for it to be numbered either
way.  Chevy numbered them in the  physical order they were in the whole
engine, front to back so the numbers wound up altrnating sides.  Ford did
the same thing but concentrated on one side at a time (Modular fashion)
Remember the Chrysler Slant 4 and Slant 6?  I heard the slant 4 was half of
a 318 or whatever so the cylinders would have to be numbered 1,3,5,7 or
2,4,6,8 in that case wouldn't they?  Azie, what do you think?  Now that
would really be confusing :-)))

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> OK here's my thinking. It really makes no sense to have rods 1 &
> 5, 2 & 6, 3
> & 7 and 4 & 8 on the same journals. GM has rods 1 & 2, 3 & 4, 5 &
> 6 and 7 &
> 8 share journals. It makes the most sense TO ME that way. If you were to
> "fold" the two banks of cylinders together then the cylinders would be
> numbered 1-8 from front to back on a GM engine. With Ford they would be
> numbered 1,5,2,6,3,7,4,8.  It doesn't mean that GM motors are better, just
> the cylinder numbering system.


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:24:44 -0500
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: Greatest engine there never was


While I was sitting around daydreaming, I was thinking about what a cool
engine the 300 I-6 is. Then I was thinking about how damn cool it would
have been if it was a 400 I-6. Can you imagine what a honkin', trailer
dragging torque monster that thing would be?



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From: "Andersons" <robertan cfw.com>
Subject: Truck Pics
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:33:58 -0500

Ken, don't know if you are still collecting, but here is a shot of my '77
F-150 4x4.  It's not pristine, but is a real "working" vehicle with a proud
history running the western VA mountains for firewood, farming, etc....Just
finished a full rebuild of the 351M into a 400 with major help from the FTE
mialing list- could not have done it otherwise.  Thanks for your efforts
maintaining this list system.

Bob
Covington, VA

BTW, I have more- didn't want to overload your inbox, but I'd be glad to
send....


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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:54:08 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: Vol Contributions


Ken:  I am on another truck list that a few months ago became strapped
for some resources.  The Admin just provided an address and said anybody
who feels like they could donate some funds to keep the list up would be
appreciated, no amount just what you could afford.  Most everyone
contributed I am told, and the list is thriving. it's all voluntary so
no pressure.  What do you think?

Al

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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:05:25 EST
Subject: Re: radiator


In a message dated 3/3/01 5:55:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
f10074 ford-trucks.com writes:

<< I ordered a radiator.com an advertiser for the list and I can tell you I
am quite happy with it.  I got a good deal on it and it was free
shipping.  They were very helpful. >>

I have gotten 2 for Ford trucks in the past year from them, excellent
products and prices.  Just returned from SanDiego where my youngest son
graduated from Marine Boot Camp this past Friday.
Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Frankly Ford does it wrong - huh?
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:40:19 -0600


> Ok, so what do we look at, the block or the crank?  What's your favorite
> color?  What kind of dog do you like best?  That's where this argument
> belongs since there is no scientific reason for it to be numbered either
> way.  Chevy numbered them in the  physical order they were in the whole
> engine, front to back so the numbers wound up altrnating sides.  Ford did
> the same thing but concentrated on one side at a time (Modular fashion)
> Remember the Chrysler Slant 4 and Slant 6?  I heard the slant 4 was half
of
> a 318 or whatever so the cylinders would have to be numbered 1,3,5,7 or
> 2,4,6,8 in that case wouldn't they?  Azie, what do you think?  Now that
> would really be confusing :-))) ....


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