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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:35:04 EST Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions In a message dated 03/02/2001 7:32:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, gpeters3 lni.net writes:
<< Don't see why not but why do you want to do that? >> I have also pondered installing the cable type on my 76 Explorer. The main reason I have given it any thought at all is because I don't like the way the engine moves and or the cab moves and messes with the engine rpms. The cable type will not do this. No my truck isn't falling apart. This is something I noticed on these trucks when they were new. I wasn't driving them then, but I remember what the people said that were. One particular truck you could even hear the change because it had loud mufflers. All of them will do this under some conditions of hard pulling and or on rough roads. It is just a slight amount, but it does exist. Rollie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:46:19 -0600 Subject: Re: : cab mounts From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
>> No more frame-offs in the driveway. >> > > Thats ok, thats why we have yards :) Aren't you supposed to soak the heads in the bathtub? (It's a joke. We had this conversation about a year or more ago.) -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:31:32 -0800 From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: Re: Kingpin Press Tim Bowman <tkbowman qwest.net>
>FYI, there are plans for Steve D's kingpin press in the tech section of the >Ford-Trucks website. I wasn't able to find it. There are many other good articles by Steve Delanty, but I didn't see one for kingpins or axle work. Is it still there? George, if you have the picture of the kingpin press, please send it my way. I paid too much for kingpin work last year, and I'd like to try it myself next time. Thanks, don -- Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA, Keystone Chapter FCA 61 Falcon Futura, 66 Falcon Club Wagon and classic scooters ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:43:20 -0800 I broke an engine mount on a car once with the gas to the floor and the throttle stuck wide open. Wound up with a trashed front wheel, "A" arm and some other components when I hit the curb on the other side of the road pulling out of the parking lot. With Cable it probably would not have happened:-) Cables require a stronger return spring because it has to overcome the resistance of the cable as well as close the throttle. The ones I've had in the past were too stiff but my newer vehicles seem to work well enough so maybe its a matter of getting a more mature cable setup like from 90's vintages instead of 70's vintages. They all do the same basic thing, operate a butterfly in a throttle body so it should be easy enough to find one that works. The linkage connection may be different than the older carb setups though, not sure. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > reason I have given it any thought at all is because I don't like > the way the > engine moves and or the cab moves and messes with the engine > rpms. ------------------------------ From: Kyle <kyled bigfoot.com>
Subject: Converting 240 to 300 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:32:38 -0600 Hey folks, Long time listener, first time caller. Great buncha folks on the list here. I'm looking for some advice from those with experience on this: I have a 1966 Ford F100 with a 240 I-6 engine. I bought it on eBay and took delivery on it in Wisconsin (I live in Texas), but that's a whole other interesting story. I am currently in the middle of removal and teardown of the engine. I am considering converting this 240 to a 300 in order to get more torque. From what I understand, the main differences between the two engines are the crank and the connecting rods, and I'm thinking that if I get these parts for a 300 and put them in my engine after it's machined, I'll be good to go. Question is: Are there any other considerations or differences between the 240 and 300 that I should know about besides the crank and connecting rods? Also, I have another complete 240 and 3-on-tree tranny to sell for cheap if anyone's interested. It came with the truck as a spare, but I've never seen it run. You'll have to take delivery in Austin, Texas. -- Kyle kyled bigfoot.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kyled.org 1966 Ford F100 240/4sp LWB 1992 Ford Exploder ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:51:06 -0500 From: somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Subject: Re: Uncomfortable.... Ken wrote: > The boards and the lists are the heart of FTE. Charging > for them is out of the question though I'm flattered that > the offers were made. Plus, I know from personal experience that you can't count on any significant percentage of your users being willing to pay, in spite of the enthusiasm of a few regulars. I used to be a member of another hobby-specific web forum with similar money issues as FTE now is facing. That site's owner tried instituting a voluntary yearly subscription rate. If you went by all the enthusiastic "yes, I'll contribute and so will everyone else" comments the forum members made, she should have been on easy street. Reality? Fewer than 1% of the membership subscribed and, a year and a half later it's still at 1%. 1% is better than none, but it sure doesn't pay many bills. Re: advertising restrictions. It makes sense to ask people to pay for classifieds and not post their stuff here for free. Just don't take it to extremes. One of the reasons I am no longer a member at the site mentioned above is their absurd "protect our advertisers" censorship policy. Typical example: Q: Where can I find a 13 mircoboggle Widget? A: I got mine at JoeBob's Weird Widgets. Their website is [URL deleted by staff]. Or give them a call at [phone number deleted by staff]. --sean ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Kingpin Press Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:53:10 -0800 Last one I did I used the bronze bushings and had a shop ream them for me. They were training a new guy and he got one of them too big but I went ahead and used it anyway. I've said this many times before, king pins don't usually cause any trouble if they are a little loose and they typically never are loose, they are virtually always too tight which is what causes the wandering problem people complain about so much. Mine have worked fine even though a little loose and, in fact, since the truck sits a lot I have to put it up on the lift and loosen them up periodically because the grease dries out. I've used the plastic bushings before and see no reason not to. This way you can do the whole thing yourself without having to buy an expensive expansion reamer. Really, I don't understand why they insist on using an expansion reamer anyway since the pins are centerless ground to very precise specs. Sure would save a lot of mistakes to use the correct size tapered or piloted reamer and just run it through once and be done with it. I tried to find one but they wanted way too much money for them at the time so it actually worked out to be cheaper to pay a shop to do it. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > George, if you have the picture of the kingpin press, please send it my > way. I paid too much for kingpin work last year, and I'd like to try it > myself next time. > > Thanks, > don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:52:09 -0800 From: Eric <ekdonaldson bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Engine Swap Questions The '66 uses a cable linkage which I have used with various carbs and manifolds. The mounting bracket is specific to the FE but could easily be modified. I recently bought a new one from Ford. Eric D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:19:05 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski <theodore ford-trucks.net>
Subject: Re: [small-list] FTE ADMIN: Change to At 08:20 PM 3/1/01 -0800, you wrote: > > $25 a year for this type of resource is a bargin, count me in.. > > Join Club FTE. It's only $20 a year, a great way to support the site, plus the web space and e-mail address come with it. Ted Wnorowski Flat Rock, OH http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://theodore.clubfte.com/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wnorowski.com/ mailto:theodore ford-trucks.net
' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck ' 66 F-250 352 4 speed flatbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:07:45 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski <theodore ford-trucks.net>
Subject: Re: [small-list] FTE ADMIN: Change to At 08:20 PM 3/1/01 -0800, you wrote: > > $25 a year for this type of resource is a bargin, count me in.. > > Join Club FTE. It's only $20 a year, a great way to support the site, plus the web space and e-mail address come with it. Ted Wnorowski Flat Rock, OH http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://theodore.clubfte.com/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wnorowski.com/ mailto:theodore ford-trucks.net
' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck ' 66 F-250 352 4 speed flatbed ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: 360 Teardown. Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:45:26 -0800 Well I got the intake off the engine. You wouldn't believe it. I got 9 of the 10 bolts out but one of them was so rusted the head was too small for a 1/2 inch wrench and too big for 7/16 (it should have been 9/16). No way to get a wrench on it. Tried a bunch of things then started whaling on it with a cold chisel and a 3 lb short handle sledge. Hit the bolt head off center and IT TURNED. Was able to get it completly out!. Got 1 head off and the ridge at the top of the cylinder is minimal. About .0025. Question, can I just remove the pistons without reaming this small ridge? Next question, Anyone try removing rusted bolts by putting a weld bead on the head and then wrenching on it right after it cooled down (just off red)? How well does it work? Tom H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:14:46 -0600 Subject: Re: 360 Teardown. From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> Got 1 head off and the ridge at the top of the cylinder is minimal. About > .0025. Question, can I just remove the pistons without reaming this small > ridge? Can you? I don't know, but if it was me in your situation, I'd ream the ridge first, then remove the pistons. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:20:05 -0800 Subject: Re: fan clutch 78 f-150 From: Don <duckdon mac.com>
on 3/1/01 9:46 PM, Travis Johnson at flatheadv8 hotmail.com wrote:
>What kind of vehicles did you get your fans from? When looking for an electric fan I like to hit the big cars with A/C. Two of the fans I have gotten for me have been from Buick Park Avenues. They have a two speed fan which is great. If you have a small engine you can use the low speed side for everyday use and have the high speed side set to come on at a higher temp or on a switch in the cab. On my 77F-250 with the 300 six I just use the low speed side. On my 63 with 390 and tiny rad I have the low side set to 185-190 and the high side hooked up to a 210deg switch and a switch in the cab. I can turn it on manually or it will come on if the temp starts to rise ( high speed idle during winching or slow climb up a steep hill in summer) laters -- Don Grossman duckdon duckdon.com
77 F-250 63 F-100 4x ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:20:18 EST Subject: Re: 360 Teardown. In a message dated 3/2/2001 8:49:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com writes:
> Got 1 head off and the ridge at the top of the cylinder is minimal. About > .0025. Question, can I just remove the pistons without reaming this small > ridge? > > Next question, Anyone try removing rusted bolts by putting a weld bead on > the head and then wrenching on it right after it cooled down (just off red)? > How well does it work? > > As far as removing the pistons goes, I've never used a reamer. All my rebuilds get new pistons, so I never gave much thought to tryint to protect them. But I have heard you can damage a good block with a reamer, so I just never messed with it. Might take a little wiggling of the piston to get out, but they should go no problem. As far as the bolt, no, I've never tried that, but I have used a torch to heat the head cherry red, and then pulled on it after they have cooled. The heating and cooling cycle actually leaves you with a bolt a lil smaller and denser (which means stronger) than before. This is why exhaust bolts are a pain. Ever notice on an old engine, the 9/16ths is a lil loose, even if its not rusty? Try a 14mm. Works every time, although some may require a light tap to go on the head of the bolt, It sure beats rounded bolts. See that? Even Metric tools come in handy on our old fords. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Converting 240 to 300 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:35:39 -0800 Ok, now here's a perfect example Ken: Should he put an add in the want adds before mentioning in on the list? Or should he not mention it on the list at all? I'm thinking, put it in the want adds, pay the $4.00 then it's ok to mention it on the list, eh? Perhaps all such "Mentions" should be prefaced by "take a look at my add in the ford truck want adds" so we know he's honest :-)) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Also, I have another complete 240 and 3-on-tree tranny to sell > for cheap if > anyone's interested. It came with the truck as a spare, but I've > never seen it > run. You'll have to take delivery in Austin, Texas. ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Converting 240 to 300 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:41:13 -0800 What about guys giving away stuff? "Free to good home..." Do they pay for an ad? -----Original Message----- From: GaryBBB [mailto:gpeters3 lni.net]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:36 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Converting 240 to 300 ---------------------------------------------------------- Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: http://www.motorhaven.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------- Ok, now here's a perfect example Ken: Should he put an add in the want adds before mentioning in on the list? Or should he not mention it on the list at all? I'm thinking, put it in the want adds, pay the $4.00 then it's ok to mention it on the list, eh? Perhaps all such "Mentions" should be prefaced by "take a look at my add in the ford truck want adds" so we know he's honest :-)) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Also, I have another complete 240 and 3-on-tree tranny to sell > for cheap if > anyone's interested. It came with the truck as a spare, but I've > never seen it > run. You'll have to take delivery in Austin, Texas. ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 360 Teardown. Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:40:31 -0800 I agree that mild (less than red) hot and cold cycles such as you get in normal operation of an engine can, theoretically, strengthen the steel in a bolt (M-43 uses this cycle to get over 68 rockwell C) but heating it red will destroy the temper and make it brittle or soft. Never, ever heat a head bolt or crank main or rod or oil pump or engine mount bolt or nut. All the other bolts are non-critical so can be treated any way you want but be aware that heating them to red will ruin them and they should then be replaced. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > it after they have cooled. The heating and cooling cycle > actually leaves you > with a bolt a lil smaller and denser (which means stronger) than before. ------------------------------ From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:39:04 EST Subject: Re: Inside Bed Spare Tire Mount? John, The FORD part number is: D3TZ-1405-A This part number means that it came out in 1973. I don't think it would fit, but I could be wrong. I don't have any ford part books for a 1968 ford truck, only 1973-1979. If you have a digital camera, could you send me some pictures off list? Thanks for the infomation. I'll see what I can find out on my end. Wayne Grabley (Clifton, NJ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:43:08 -0600 Subject: Re: 360 Teardown. From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> Ever notice on an old engine, the > 9/16ths is a lil loose, even if its not rusty? Try a 14mm. Works every > time, although some may require a light tap to go on the head of the bolt, It > sure beats rounded bolts. See that? Even Metric tools come in handy on our > old fords. Good tip. Use a six sided box end wrench or socket. Heating and cooling also makes the bolt more brittle. Instead of stretching and giving, it will break off suddenly. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:56:26 -0800 Why would they charge for classifieds when you have yahoo and excite classifieds for free, and excite has lots of ford parts. I quess everybody is out for a buck these day's!! Annie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Deacon To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: [61-79-list] FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds ---------------------------------------------------------- Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: http://www.motorhaven.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------- <snip>The classified ads will now be $4.00 for up to 45 days plus an additional $1.00 for each additional category you place it in. After placing your ad you will be given a link to a page on our secure server to pay for the ad.<snip> Since you now must charge for classifieds, how about letting us advertise the items that we have listed on eBay. ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:11:21 -0800 This could get ugly... /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing > touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Why would they charge for classifieds when you have yahoo and excite classifieds for free, and excite has lots of ford parts. I quess everybody is out for a buck these day's!! Annie ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:16:48 -0800 I'm ducking for cover myself!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- This could get ugly... /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing > touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Why would they charge for classifieds when you have yahoo and excite classifieds for free, and excite has lots of ford parts. I quess everybody is out for a buck these day's!! Annie ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "HARLEY A PUTNAM" <aputnam triad.rr.com>
Subject: Fees for Lists Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:58:05 -0500 Ken, I for one am in line with Gary & Darrell, the resources this list provides for it's members is invaluable, let alone for the measly price of $25.00. I know you said that you meant the list to be free, as they are one of the core features of FTE and you vowed to keep them free, but as the new policy for classified ads show, the free lunch on the Internet is over. I have been lurking here for the last 2 years, and have seen enough knowledge pass across my screen to fill a set of books worth far more than the simple amount above. I wish you would reconsider any pending change in FTE, especially if the change is to merge with another site, as the hint in your e-mail made me think might be fixing to happen. The unique Ford Truck atmosphere here is part of what makes this list and site special to all of us who read them on a regular basis. Either way, and all else aside, I still want to thank you personally for creating this forum, and for the enjoyment of a hobby it has brought me. Andy Putnam ------------------------------ From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:42:39 -0800 I didnt mean it to get ugly, its just I loved the www.fordtruck site because they were not greedy, I figured they made there money to run things off of there membership fee's and other things they sell at there online store. I have turned many a person on to this site because it was free classifieds, and in so doing those people buy other things from the on line store etc. However it is just as easy to use other free sites where you can also email a pic to put on also at no charge for the time being I guess. I have 10 Ford trucks and this is a great site but if they are going to start to charge for classifieds belive me people will just go else where to advertise. Annie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Beyer To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds ---------------------------------------------------------- Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: http://www.motorhaven.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------- This could get ugly... /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing > touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Why would they charge for classifieds when you have yahoo and excite classifieds for free, and excite has lots of ford parts. I quess everybody is out for a buck these day's!! Annie ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:50:05 -0600 Ann Wasserman wrote: Why would they charge for classifieds when you have yahoo and excite classifieds for free, and excite has lots of ford parts. I quess everybody is out for a buck these day's!! Annie ============================================================= Ann, millions of people are members of Yahoo and Excite, but how many of them are members of Ford Truck Entheusiast?? Darn few... Why would anyone pay to advertise on the FTE website? Pride, loyalty and a sense of family come to mind, just to name a few reasons. Ken told you why he had to change the classifieds two days ago. Jason Kendrick ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:03:26 -0800 Look, I'm really not interested in getting into a debate on this subject but I do find it ironic that you only find "value" in this feature because it's free. I think Ken did state that if/when advertising revenues go back up then he plans to discontinue the charge. You also need to remember that there is a huge difference between "shotgunning" your ad out to the internet vs. the "targeted" marketing that FTE provides. Finally just in case you weren't aware, the website is now Ken's sole source of income. He has to feed, clothe and shelter his family (not to mention his Ford trucks) and pay his employees from the revenue generated by FTE. /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing > touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > I didnt mean it to get ugly, its just I loved the www.fordtruck site because they were not greedy, I figured they made there money to run things off of there membership fee's and other things they sell at there online store. I have turned many a person on to this site because it was free classifieds, and in so doing those people buy other things from the on line store etc. However it is just as easy to use other free sites where you can also email a pic to put on also at no charge for the time being I guess. I have 10 Ford trucks and this is a great site but if they are going to start to charge for classifieds belive me people will just go else where to advertise. Annie ------------------------------ From: bad76f250 yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:02:38 -0800 Subject: F-250 T-case >>Scott H. writes: >>My 76 F-250 was originaly a Full Time married >>203 T-case equiped truck.<< >>Did you buy this truck new?? No. It was a couple of years old when I got it,but it seemed unmolested when I got it. A friend of mine had a married 203 F-250 that he bought from the original owner tho..... >>I've junked out at least a dozen of the '>>73 thru '77's and have never seen a married tcase on anything >>heavier than the F150.. Not saying it ain't so, just that I've never >>seen one. I have stuck my head under a fair share of Hi-Boys and I have never seen a A/T truck with a DIVORCED t-case.Maybe it is a regonal thing ????Maybe part time A/T trucks have divorced cases??? Beats me,but I would like to see the tail housing of a divorced trucks A/T and see how the T-case lever attaches.Would not mind a A/T in my Hi-Boy some day. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://mail.yahoo.com
------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Ken, how about setting up a voluntary donation? Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:05:09 -0800 You could set up a paypal account for people to voluntarily donate money for the list. Hey, what can it hurt? Add me to the list of people who would be willing to pay for the great resource that the list is. Garrett Nelson www.1966ford.com ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:22:25 -0800 Yahoo and Excite also have many other side issues going and they are also very obtrusive when you try to do anything with them due to the advertising etc.. It's only a matter of time before they also begin to suffer with the economic slump and have to reduce their free stuff. I saw an article on Yahoo once and those two guys went for nearly 5 years with no profit and ran it at a loss for the first 3 years. They were both very well off when they started so could afford to run in the red for that long. All of us applauded Ken's effort to go on his own and supported him in the effort. Now many of us feel obligated to hang in there with him to help him through this. He's done a great job of making a business out of it which still allowed the "Family" to hang in there for free if they wanted. It would not surprise me to discover that Yahoo's investors (advertisers) are also allowed free reign on the want adds and other lists. This site is about the Ford Truck community which is what makes it special, not that it's free IMHO. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Why would they charge for classifieds when you have yahoo and > excite classifieds for free, and excite has lots of ford parts. I > quess everybody is out for a buck these day's!! Annie ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: FTE ADMIN: Change to classifieds Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:34:36 -0800 Hmmmmm.....Loved it because it was free?? What does that tell us about you? I like free stuff too but I'm willing to pay and, in fact, would rather pay for services that are not cluttered up with advertising. I could get People PC for $5.00/month but their modem rate to subscribers is about 10% as opposed to my current provider who keeps his rate much closer to 100%. Talk city is pretty neat but I can't stand all the banners and trying to converse with people in a tiny screen the size of a postage stamp because they are "trying to make a buck". If I were as interested in chats as my wife I would gladly pay to have a clutter free screen to work with.....gladly :-) The concept you mention will work once you have reached a subscriber rate high enough but when, as Bill Says, you are a Niche group that will never happen so you have to do other things to keep afloat. Out for a buck? His family lives on a lot less than most of us I'm sure. He spent his entire savings to set this up and now is in a position to lose everything if he can't make it work. Some of us feel like sticking it out for his sake if nothing else but it's still a service that's worth something in any case .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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