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61-79-list Digest Tue, 27 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 063

In This Issue:
Re: Engine Swap Questions
Re: Rear axle recommendations
428 Stroke
Re: 428 Stroke
Re: Rear axle recommendations
Re: Rear axle recommendations
Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4...how about diesels?
Ford truck models
Re: Ford truck models
Re: Ford truck models
Pigeon Forge
Re: 428 Stroke
Re: Pigeon Forge (still 8 hours)
Re: Nuther rear end question
351C V. 351W
Re: 351C V. 351W
Re: Pigeon Forge (still 8 hours)
The toughest Ford EVER
suprnatioals and power steering conversion
Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4...how about diesels?
Re: Engine Swap Questions
Re: Engine Swap Questions
Re: 351C V. 351W
Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Re: Ford truck models
Re: Rear axle recommendations
Re: The toughest Ford EVER
Re: Engine Swap Questions

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:59:11 EST
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions


In a message dated 2/27/2001 7:37:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, SevnD2 aol.com
writes:

<<
If you drew a straight line that follows this path through the entire truck,
you would have a surprisingly angled line that leads off to the right at the
front and to the left out of the rear. I am sure it wouldn't be perfectly
horizontal either. I haven't checked to be sure how much that angle is, but
I
know it is there. >>


Im not to sure on how to keep the left to right proportions right, when we
did the 460 swap into my buddies bronco we just tried to make each side even,
and figured that was good enough.  As far as the horizontal goes, the front
of the engine does sit higher than the rear, but the manifold is machined so
that the carb is level.  So we just put a level on the carb flange, and
worked our mounts till the carb was level.  We even strapped the axle to the
frame so that the truck was still at ride height, otherwise the front of the
motor would have been to low.  Worked out great, except all the semi worn out
drive train parts sent south.  First it was the CV, followed by the front
Diff. Now apparently the tranny isnt quite right.  Same thing with most 460
powered vehicles though.  Build your motor, put it on the road, and when you
break somethin, just overbuild the crap out of it.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:49:36 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Rear axle recommendations


Well Gary,

From the looks of the the axle, it broke due to a hairline fracture with the grain of the axle.  It is almost a straight line, through the centerline of the axle, about 4" long.  Besides, 7500 lbs, 39's, 400 (actually 406 :>)), and C-6, doesn't make for a tire screamer :>). Now when the stock wheels are on it, that is an entirely different story (can hardly move
when it rains:>).

Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco
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>
>
> Wow!  You must be wild when you get excited, eh?  Pulling out of a parking
> space with tires burning?  I got some serious rubber with my Aerostar
> yesterday myself.....(not proud of it though, it was a mistake :-))


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From: Raymond Parsons <rparsons conagrabeef.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:31:10 -0700
Subject: 428 Stroke




I need to know the stroke on a 428; I am going to look at a 66 styleside short
bed that the owner claims is a 428.  It is an FE, but I want to be sure as the
asking price is on the high side.

Ray Parsons
67 F250 C/S



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:56:56 EST
Subject: Re: 428 Stroke


Its either 3.96, or 3.98 inches. Either way, just look for a 4 inch stroke
and yu should be ok.  Just keep in mind the 4'' stroke can also mean 410.  If
the engine is clean enough, check the block.  If its got the 352 on it, its
most likely a 410.  Original 428 blocks dont have this mark as far as I know,
but had 428 cast around the freezeplug area (possibly inside the block, tryin
to remember, but its been awhile since I read that article) Good luck with
this, hope it works out good for ya.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:58:21 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Rear axle recommendations


Thanks for the input.  Axle breakage is not really a concern.  This is the first one I have ever broken.  Blown up a couple of carriers, but no axles.  I like the sound of Detriot Lockers, but I have been told that they are not great for heavy towing (it does occationaly tow close too 10000 lbs for long distances.  Upwards of 2000 miles in a weekend.).  Might
just order a new factory trac lock.  (I do have a couple of Dana 70's around that I may just have to swap in instead:>).  This truck is my main vehicle.

Thanks again
Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco
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>
>
>  If you are concerned about breaking D60 axle shafts,
> then I'm not sure a LR type locker will be for you.
> While the LR locker parts would be fairly beefy due to
> the size of D60 carrier, the LR's (and clones) use
> much smaller springs for pressure to keep drivers
> against LR supplied "side gears". This allows more
> slip than a detroit would.
>
>   Problem is when the one wheel slips, the ractheting
> could go on for a second or 2 and then when it bites,
> it shock loads the whole works. I had a big proble
> with this in a couple of 9" rears. I like them for a
> D44 fronts, since they due unlock easier than a
> detroit and they need to unlock a lot in the front.
>
>   I've broken 6 rear D60 shafts running 44's and the
> detroit is still fine. I don't see a D60 LR being in
> the same shape. A detroit should drop in without any
> setup if you use the same carrier shim thicknesses
> that the orignal carrier had. I've done this 3 times
> on a D60 front, D60 rear and a 7.5 ford on my old BII.
> Had no problems on any of them. (check before and
> after backlash to be sure!!).
>
>                        OX
>
> Steve,
> Unfortunately I think a lockright or ezlocker will fail in a truck with
> 39's, probably on the road, let a lone in the mud.  I am not sure they even
> make them for a Dana 60.  They are only rated up to 32" tires.  I have known
> people who have run them with up to 35" tires with only minor problems
> but...I don't know...seems sketchy to me.  Detroit :)  Has a nice ring to
> it!


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:06:44 EST
Subject: Re: Rear axle recommendations


I've got a Dana 70 with the original track lock under an F-350 at work.  It
was originally under Tweety, and will be back soon.  But with about 150k
miles, and the last 30k miles of it being under extreme use.  (the truck
clicks in at just under 11.5k lbs fully loaded) It still works like a charm.
If you have the option I'd definatley go for it.  After all, bigger is
better.  Im not 100% sure, but I believe lockright even makes a kit for the
Dana 70, seems I saw something like that in a magazine ad before.  just dont
ever let the dana 70 go low on oil.  Previous owner of the Axle currently in
tweety Neglegted it for a long time, and it cost me just under $1100 for a
rebuild.  Kinda sucks, cuz that 1100 HD Dana 70 is going under a different
truck, but having that 3.73 Trak-lock is really gonna be nice.  Right now
with the 4.10 open diff, and just the stock 460 I can mutilate the one rear
tire.  Figure Im gonna need that track lock just to get it moving.  That and
the 3.73 should let that truck creep rather nicely into the 130+ mph range.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:21:33 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited


At 08:47 AM 2/27/01 -0800, you wrote:
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>Are you actually sure that it is welded in place and not bolted?  The 78's
>are definitely bolted in place and are very easy to get out, 4 bolts and a
>couple of support rods, that's it.

67-72's are welded.  Trust me.

Stu
Nuke GM!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:20:52 -0800


yup.  ask us how we know. :(

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>Are you actually sure that it is welded in place and not bolted?  The 78's
>are definitely bolted in place and are very easy to get out, 4 bolts and a
>couple of support rods, that's it.

67-72's are welded.  Trust me.

Stu
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From: WhtsUpDoc2 aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:25:15 EST
Subject: Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4...how about diesels?

No, the 7.3 liter diesel was not offered in 78. Ford started their diesel
program with Navistar International in 1980 I believe. They came out with the
6.9 Liter Diesel. The 7.3 Liter Diesel came out in the 1987 F-Series as an
option. The 6.9 Liter was still available. This crew cab either was listed as
the wrong year, or they have done a conversion, which isn't too uncommon, but
way more of a feat than I'm ready to undertake! There is a dealer here in
Shawnee, OK that wants 10,000 on a new- in the crate Powerstroke Diesel
motor. I think they are insane!

Jason Warner
Yukon, Oklahoma
'89 F-350 XLT Lariat CrewCab 4x4 Diesel (7.3) 5-Speed
'78 F-250 Custom 460, C-6 Auto
'76 F-150 Ranger XLT 390, C-6 Auto
'55 F-600 Custom 292, 4-Speed



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From: "Mike Mackie" <bigred connect.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:08:54 -0700
Subject: Ford truck models


Someone wrote mentioning they wanted to see 64 F100 in model kit form. Amt has
made kits of the 61-3's and 75-7 and 79's. These kits are generally available
from places like Hobby Heaven in Grand Rapids, MI and other obsolete kit suppliers.
By going to the scaleautomag.com website, you can actually put in a vote to
have these kits re-issued or vote to have an all new kit of the 67-72 F100's
made (there hasn't ever been one of these done). The model companies do pay
attention to the results this magazine gets. Aside from all this, building models
can give you quality time with your kids and get them interested in the real
car/truck hobby.

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:17:28 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Ford truck models


I remember building an AMT '66 full-size years ago (I won't say how
many).  Also, I have seen (and sold) a wide variety of model kits on
ebay.

Mike Mackie wrote:
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> Someone wrote mentioning they wanted to see 64 F100 in model kit form. Amt has
> made kits of the 61-3's and 75-7 and 79's.
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:22:14 EST
Subject: Re: Ford truck models


In a message dated 2/27/2001 12:10:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bigred connect.ab.ca writes:

<< Aside from all this, building models
can give you quality time with your kids and get them interested in the real
car/truck hobby. >>

One other thing is the attn to detail.  I've been modeling for a long time
now, and have gone from just gluing all the parts together, to really getting
into custom paints and extreme detail.  I mostly stick to ford street rods
and muscle cars, and Ive done a few 55 trucks, but on occasion I wander.  I
just finished a 69 Cuda for a budy of mine, detailed the hell out of it.  Hes
got one, so I went over and looked at how the dash was colored, what kinda
trim the car had, so on and so forth.  I even went so far as to paint the #s
and needles on the instrument cluster.  that isnt easy lemme tell you!  Did
an awesome paint job too, started with a bright blue up front, faded it to
jet black in the rear.  Liked the look so much thats how Im gonna paint my
Stang.  Im thinkin a kller paint job should help with the fact that its only
a coupe.  Anyhow, any of you folks thinking about restoration work really
outta try modeling.  If you want the eye for detail, a few models, some
patience, a lil creativity and a steady hand, and you'll be on your way.  Its
also a good way to test an idea, build it up, see how it looks for 25 bucks,
and see if the real thing is gonna be what you want.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Mike Mackie" <bigred connect.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:23:35 -0700
Subject: Pigeon Forge


I wasn't meaning to be unkind regarding that P/F video. I realize how tough it
is to assemble and mix those things. I just wanted to see more of that fantastic
variety of trucks in the background.

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:13:56 GMT
Subject: Re: 428 Stroke


>Its either 3.96, or 3.98 inches. Either way, just look for a 4 inch stroke

>and yu should be ok

3.98 is the correct one, but as you said, 4" will be close enough since you
likely won't be able to mic it ...


>the engine is clean enough, check the block.  If its got the 352 on it, its

>most likely a 410.  Original 428 blocks dont have this mark as far as I know,


Actually I remember seeing the 352 cast into some early ones at shows so I don't
think that'll work as an identifier.  Besides if it is a 410 instead of a 428,
it may not be as legendary, but is probably just as rare, if not more.

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:02:13 -0600
Subject: Re: Ford truck models
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> If you want the eye for detail, a few models, some
> patience, a lil creativity and a steady hand, and you'll be on your way.  Its
> also a good way to test an idea, build it up, see how it looks for 25 bucks,
> and see if the real thing is gonna be what you want.

When I could still see, I built models a lot too. About a half dozen are
scale models of vehicles I have owned. Ahh, the memories and the dreams...

-- John
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:06:18 -0800
Subject: Nuther rear end question
From: Don <duckdon mac.com>


Hey all

   While scrounging around in the wrecking yard the other day I came
accross a D70 but it was a dulie.  Can you run singles on a dualy rear end
without having the final tire width screwed up.

TIA

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duckdon duckdon.com

77 F-250
63 F-100 4x


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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:23:03 EST
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge (still 8 hours)


In a message dated 2/27/01 8:25:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< My family & I go to Pigeon Forge about  3 or 4 times
a yr. for different car & truck shows. We live in Ohio & it is about an  8
hr. drive for us. Its a good time for all. >>

I live in Tennessee and it takes me 8 hours to get there! I wouldn't miss it.

I don't know how many guys met Eric from PA last year. He had a beautiful
blue 56 that was almost original. They didn't make a 390 with 4spd OD back
then. He couldn't wait to get back home so he would have an unusual truck
again!

Ken, are you going to have your truck in the show this year? If you promise
to try. I'll get to work on my 57!

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in process
93 Mercury Capri (you think parts are hard to find for the 57-60 F100's!)

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:43:25 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Nuther rear end question


I think the width would be the same. I have a D70 dually from a '76. I
measured it up a couple years ago and if my memory serves me right, it was the
same width as a D60. (but don't bank on my memory :-) ) On the one I have, the
housing tubes are shorter but the brake drums/hubs are wider and kinda tapered
to accomadate the bud wheels in those years. (again, I'm stretching my memory
but I think I'm close).  You would also have to use single wheels from a
1-ton because the studs are bigger.

Greg

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>     While scrounging around in the wrecking yard the other day I came
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> without having the final tire width screwed up.
>
> TIA
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From: "PitStop Performance" <thepitstop hotmail.com>
Subject: 351C V. 351W
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:11:18 -0600



Hello All,

I am looking for more information on Yates heads. We talked about this
before, but I guess I am lost. I am trying to build a 351C, but everything I
seem to find is for a 351W. I would like to find a set of aluminum heads for
a 351C. Do they exist? If I can't find anything in aluminum I guess I will
start looking for a set of Aussie 2V heads. Wanted aluminum so I could run a
bit more complession.

Also, I plan on building an EFI engine. What intake should I use? I sure
like the GT40 set-up for the 351W, but that will not fit. I can convert a
wet intake to work... but which one? Looking for the same RPM range that a
GT40 set-up would give.

Thanks
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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351C V. 351W
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:29:10 -0800

Yates heads are designed for the W block but they're based on the C design.
I've heard that there are some aluminum C heads out there somewhere but I've
never been able to find them.  If you're trying to build a hot C then go for
the Aussie heads. You can also look at www.powerheads.com. They carry built
Aussie heads. As far as intakes look at the Edelbrock or Weiand single
planes.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 351C V. 351W


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> Hello All,
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> I am looking for more information on Yates heads. We talked about this
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I
> seem to find is for a 351W. I would like to find a set of aluminum heads
for
> a 351C. Do they exist? If I can't find anything in aluminum I guess I will
> start looking for a set of Aussie 2V heads. Wanted aluminum so I could run
a
> bit more complession.
>
> Also, I plan on building an EFI engine. What intake should I use? I sure
> like the GT40 set-up for the 351W, but that will not fit. I can convert a
> wet intake to work... but which one? Looking for the same RPM range that a
> GT40 set-up would give.




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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:37:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge (still 8 hours)



>
>Ken, are you going to have your truck in the show this year? If you promise
>to try. I'll get to work on my 57!

I'm trying but I don't know if I'll have it ready in time.
I've got it in pieces right now and I'm still hunting for
parts right now.  Plus I'm about to start working on a
frame up on a 75!

Ken



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:58:13 EST
Subject: The toughest Ford EVER


I think I just met the reincarnation of Henry Ford.  While at my dealer
pickin up a dipstick for my 73 F-250 project, up pulls a black Super Duty
F-350 Crewcab 4x4.  Only this sucker had 2 live rear axles!  I got to talkin
with him, this truck is totally custom.  Made his own frame, to which he hung
a dana 60 front in the convention manner, but the rears are set up just like
a big rig, with huge control arms and airbags.  Made his own power splitter,
including having custom gears made, so that both axles were live.  Both rear
axles are also sporting duals, which makes for one heck of a look.  Basically
this is (according to him) the truck dodge got the idea from to build the
T-Rexx.  This thing was flat awesome.  Tilt bed, so he can show off the
goodies, the running boards were custom made to be his fuel tanks, but they
are still filled via the door on the bed by way of a slip joint, and some
ingenious lever action.  Im going tomorrow to take some pics of it, And with
his permission, Im gonna send em to Ken to be posted.  If any of you read
Truck Trends, it was featured in the Feb issue last year.  Man I cant stop
thinkin about this truck.  The power plant is a power stroke V-8 thats been
boosted by Banks.  Said with his huge 5th wheel (I saw a pic, its got 4
axles!) hes sittin at just under 34,000 lbs, and can still hit 105 on flat
ground.  without the trailer he said it'd do about 135.   Anyone thats
interested, I'll email you these pics when I get him tomorrow, just lemme
know, I'll put ya on a list.  This is one Truck you dont wanna miss!

Darrell & Tweety (who was extremely humbled today)

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From: Coscow webtv.net (Zane Baumann)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:59:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: suprnatioals and power steering conversion


My Father and I are planning to go to the supernationals. I plan to
drive my 71 F-250 crewcab if I get all the bugs worked out and hopefully
painted. Are There any recommondatios on places to stay. Also I am
wanting to convert it to power steering. It has a 300 6cyl and manual
transmission. any ideas


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From: Ackarkka aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:16:11 EST
Subject: Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4...how about diesels?

In a message dated 2/27/2001 12:28:30 PM Central Standard Time,
WhtsUpDoc2 aol.com writes:


> Ford started their diesel
> program with Navistar International in 1980 I believe. They came out with
> the
> 6.9 Liter Diesel. The 7.3 Liter Diesel came out in the 1987 F-Series as an
>

Close, but no cigar.

The 6.9l was introduced in 1983 and was replaced in 1988 with the 7.3.

The 2 displacements were never produced simultaneously.

Alan K



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From: "Turbo Dan" <dansturbo2 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:16:59 -0800

I should have mentioned that it is a 2wd truck.
Where do I get the L&L mounts?  I want this to be as quick and painless as
possible.  I had heard that I would need to change the oil pan.  I can't
imagine the drain plug being in too much worse of a spot than the stock
location, considering it drains out onto the A-frame  now. :-)


Dan Duke
Salida Ca.
'70 F-250 Camper Special  (Dad bought new in Nov. of '69)
'87 RX-7 TurboII  (You have to like working on cars)



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:28:09 EST
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions


In a message dated 2/27/2001 7:22:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dansturbo2 hotmail.com writes:

<<  I can't
imagine the drain plug being in too much worse of a spot than the stock
location, considering it drains out onto the A-frame  now. :-) >>

Imagine it in the middle of that cross member, with just enough room to get
it halfway out.  An F-350 at a company I worked for had that.  Had to pull
the engine loose and lift it to change the oil.  Not a very well thought out
swap, lemme tell you.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:04:17 EST
Subject: Re: 351C V. 351W


i had a set of aluminum heads and intake for a 351c, they were from ford
motorsports, i believe they were the same heads as the 302 and 351w, they
just had a coolant passage for the intake.  you can put 351c heads on a 302,
but you have to drill the passage, as mentioned before the yates 351w heads
are the same design as the cleveland, so i would guess to use them on a
cleveland you just weld up or plug the passages.

but i am currently looking for a set of 351 aussie heads.

jeff

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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:42:50 -0800


Bummer!  Hey, Stu, still got that truck you took to the show last year?

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> 67-72's are welded.  Trust me.
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Ford truck models
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:43:44 -0500


auto swap meets are also a good source for these older truck model kits &
other kits as well.
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com <JUMPINFORD aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ford truck models


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>In a message dated 2/27/2001 12:10:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>bigred connect.ab.ca writes:
>
><< Aside from all this, building models
> can give you quality time with your kids and get them interested in the
real
> car/truck hobby. >>
>
>One other thing is the attn to detail.  I've been modeling for a long time
>now, and have gone from just gluing all the parts together, to really
getting
>into custom paints and extreme detail.  I mostly stick to ford street rods
>and muscle cars, and Ive done a few 55 trucks, but on occasion I wander.  I
>just finished a 69 Cuda for a budy of mine, detailed the hell out of it.
Hes
>got one, so I went over and looked at how the dash was colored, what kinda
>trim the car had, so on and so forth.  I even went so far as to paint the
#s
>and needles on the instrument cluster.  that isnt easy lemme tell you!  Did
>an awesome paint job too, started with a bright blue up front, faded it to
>jet black in the rear.  Liked the look so much thats how Im gonna paint my
>Stang.  Im thinkin a kller paint job should help with the fact that its
only
>a coupe.  Anyhow, any of you folks thinking about restoration work really
>outta try modeling.  If you want the eye for detail, a few models, some
>patience, a lil creativity and a steady hand, and you'll be on your way.
Its
>also a good way to test an idea, build it up, see how it looks for 25
bucks,
>and see if the real thing is gonna be what you want.
>
>Darrell & Tweety
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Rear axle recommendations
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:48:39 -0800


I was just kidding, sort of :-)  I had a tractor axle break like that out in
the woods and couldn't put my finger on anything we had done wrong.  When I
took it apart to fix it we could see that it had been cracked and coming
apart for a long time.  It just chose that day, in the mud, with everything
loaded to the gills to break on us...........way out in the woods :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Well Gary,
>
> >From the looks of the the axle, it broke due to a hairline
> fracture with the grain of the axle.  It is almost a straight
> line, through the centerline of the axle, about 4" long.
> Besides, 7500 lbs, 39's, 400 (actually 406 :>)), and C-6, doesn't
> make for a tire screamer :>). Now when the stock wheels are on
> it, that is an entirely different story (can hardly move
> when it rains:>).
>
> Steve S.


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: The toughest Ford EVER
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:53:17 -0500


send me some pictures of that truck.it sounds AWESOME.  send to :
tim-pam williams-net.com.   thanks in advance.
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com <JUMPINFORD aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>;
perf-list ford-trucks.com <perf-list ford-trucks.com>;
offroad-list ford-trucks.com <offroad-list ford-trucks.com>;
Dakota972 aol.com <Dakota972 aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:59 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] The toughest Ford EVER


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>I think I just met the reincarnation of Henry Ford.  While at my dealer
>pickin up a dipstick for my 73 F-250 project, up pulls a black Super Duty
>F-350 Crewcab 4x4.  Only this sucker had 2 live rear axles!  I got to
talkin
>with him, this truck is totally custom.  Made his own frame, to which he
hung
>a dana 60 front in the convention manner, but the rears are set up just
like
>a big rig, with huge control arms and airbags.  Made his own power
splitter,
>including having custom gears made, so that both axles were live.  Both
rear
>axles are also sporting duals, which makes for one heck of a look.
Basically
>this is (according to him) the truck dodge got the idea from to build the
>T-Rexx.  This thing was flat awesome.  Tilt bed, so he can show off the
>goodies, the running boards were custom made to be his fuel tanks, but they
>are still filled via the door on the bed by way of a slip joint, and some
>ingenious lever action.  Im going tomorrow to take some pics of it, And
with
>his permission, Im gonna send em to Ken to be posted.  If any of you read
>Truck Trends, it was featured in the Feb issue last year.  Man I cant stop
>thinkin about this truck.  The power plant is a power stroke V-8 thats been
>boosted by Banks.  Said with his huge 5th wheel (I saw a pic, its got 4
>axles!) hes sittin at just under 34,000 lbs, and can still hit 105 on flat
>ground.  without the trailer he said it'd do about 135.   Anyone thats
>interested, I'll email you these pics when I get him tomorrow, just lemme
>know, I'll put ya on a list.  This is one Truck you dont wanna miss!
>
>Darrell & Tweety (who was extremely humbled today)
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:56:18 -0800


L&L is listed in virtually all off road rags.  I don't have it right in
front of me right now.  Most of use used the Van pan you can order from Ford
for about $100 (I paid $79 way back when). ....


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