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61-79-list Digest Mon, 26 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 062

In This Issue:
Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4
Re: Pigeon Forge
Re: Rubber Bushings
Shop Size
Venting
Cab mounts
Divorced Xfer case
Re: Ford truck models
67-72 dash removal, revisited
Re: Truck Mirrors
Engine Swap Questions
Van conversion to 4WD
Re: Pigeon Forge ?'s
Pigeon Forge
Re: off year question
Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4
Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4...how about diesels?
Rear axle recommendations
Re: Pigeon Forge
Re: Van conversion to 4WD
Re: Pigeon Forge
Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Re: Rear axle recommendations
Re: Engine Swap Questions
Re: Pigeon Forge
Re: Engine Swap Questions
Re: Engine Swap Questions
Re: Rear axle recommendations
Re: Rear axle recommendations

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:12:44 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4


I had a 76 highboy with a 360/c-6 divorced 205.

Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco
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> Group
>
> was there any 70's F-250's that had an automatic and FE(360/390) and a divorced transfer case??
> Joe
>


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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:55:38 EST
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge


Eric,

I have been to the last 2 Supernationals and I'm planning to go again this
year. It is a good chance to see a lot of Ford trucks and nothing else (not
counting the sbc's)! It is also a good chance to see a lot of the guys (and
their families) on this and the other email lists. I hope we are planing
another cookout for Friday and b'fast on Saturday morning.

Dollywood is a little more than country music, but it does play in most areas
of the park. It will suck some bucks as well!! I have been vacationing in the
Smokeys for almost 20 years and haven't done everything. It really is
beautiful. It is the most visited national park in the country, so done think
it will be easy to "get away from it all".

Hope to see you there! There are a lot more of this group than the 48-60 list
that I most frequent!

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in process
93 Mercury Capri (you think parts are hard to find for the 57-60 F100's!)

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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: Rubber Bushings
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:12:11 -0500

I wish I could give you a better answer then what I have, with the 460 singing through the two chamber flowmasters any squeaks (if their are any) are pretty well masked. Ohhhhhh, but that sweet big block song is sooooo nice!
John
'77 F150 4X4 466/C6/4:11's/33's

<Do the urethane bushings squeek? My wife has a jeep with urethane and I
<have to put lithium grease on the sway bar periodicly to stop the squeeks.



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Shop Size
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:35:10 -0600

Gary writes:  >>BTW, if you plan on building a barn for a shop....get
it all figured out then double the size and you will be happy for
about 1 year longer before you start wishing it was bigger.........<<

Agreed.  Mine is 40'X60' freespan, and it is waaaayyy to small....


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Venting
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:38:13 -0600

Steve writes:  >>where the hell is this going?? I don't know, I just need to vent I guess,
....sorry....<<

Hey Steve..  Having a few bad days there..




Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Cab mounts
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:48:15 -0600

Doss H. writes:  >>Cab mounts are a chore to replace. I found it relatively easy once the cab
was off the truck and laying on its back. But, I am prohibited from
engaging in such behavior any more. If anyone has any tips for doing them
with the cab on the truck, please let me know. They are due to be replaced
on my present truck.<<

Can't say about the pre '73, but on the '73/'79 series the mounts are rubber
donuts that slip between the cab and frame.  I've changed several by
raising the cab just a few inches with a jack and a piece of 4X4 as wide
as would clear the frame.  Remove the old ones and insert the new ones.
sometimes getting them apart(lower half to seperate from upper half) can
be a pain, but with dilligence and work it can be done.  A good sawzall
and some good metal blades have been suggested, but I've not tried that yet.

You do know I still have some of your tools - right.. Still in my truck.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Divorced Xfer case
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:58:15 -0600

Joe writes:  >>was there any 70's F-250's that had an automatic and
FE(360/390) and a divorced transfer case??<<

To the best of my knowledge, all F250's and heavier that were 4X4
had divorced Xfer case until '78.  I believe that was the 1st year of
married cases on the heavies.  The F150 got married cases in '73 I
think, but I'm not as sure of that as I am of the heavies.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:15:43 EST
Subject: Re: Ford truck models

In a message dated 2/26/2001 3:01:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bigred connect.ab.ca writes:


>

                I'd really really like to see a 64 f-100 made . I've looked
everywhere .  I think ?



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From: "Forest New" <racer23 mindspring.com>
Subject: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:53:07 -0500

Hey all,
I must have missed the mark with that last posting. I wanted to find out where the remainder of the welds were on the whole dash itself. I know about the two brackets on the lower part of the dash by the door posts but I was not sure that if I broke these welds, would the dash come right out, or are there more welds at the windsheild that I don't know about?
Kind of would like to know what Im getting into before I start so I don't harm the dash trying to remove it. The new cab I have someone butchered the stereo opening metal and it does not have all the XLT trim holes that my truck dash has. Trying to decide which would be the better of the two evils!
Thanks for all the recomendations on body mounts.
If anyone needs body trim or a 71 grille let me know.
Forest New
racer23 mindspring.com
72 ranger XLT
69 Mach 1 Mustang
67 Mustang Coupe


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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:03:50 EST
Subject: Re: Truck Mirrors


The 1975-1979 F-series and 1978-1979 Bronco use FORD part #D5TZ-17696-Afor
the "Recreatiol MIrrors". I bought two sets on EBAY for $30.00 and both were
NOS (New Old Stock)about a year ago.There out there...you just have to look.
Wayne Grabley  (Clifton, NJ)

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From: "Turbo Dan" <dansturbo2 hotmail.com>
Subject: Engine Swap Questions
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:49:07 -0800

Hello All,
I'm new to the list although I was on it about a year ago.
I've got a lot of questions but I will try to keep it short.
I've got a '70 F-250 Camper Special with a rebuilt 360, a T-18 granny 4 spd
and no power anything.  This 360 has 150k miles on it and is rapping pretty
hard above 2k rpm.  I really want a little more motor under the hood and
want to switch to a automatic also, (my tranny has 340k miles and never been
opened up plus I've been shifting it for 22 yrs. now) so I've decided to use
this opportunity to make some changes.  After checking around a bit I've
found that a 390 is getting harder and harder to find and after finding one
it turns out to be more expensive than a much younger 460.  I would prefer
to have the 460 but want to find out just how hard the swap is.  The motor
I've found is from a wrecked '78 Lincoln for $450.  I have a friend that
will build a C6 for the price of the kit.  I'm an equipment mechanic by
trade and have always worked on cars so I'm sure I can handle it.  I'm just
looking for a guideline so my truck isn't down for too long because I've
overlooked something I have to chase down.
I'll take any opinions or criticisms.
Sorry for the monster post and thanks for any help.

Dan Duke
Salida Ca.
'70 F-250 Camper Special  (Dad bought new in Nov. of '69)
'87 RX-7 TurboII  (You have to like working on cars)


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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:44:04 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: Van conversion to 4WD


I saw on the list a couple days ago someone asking about converting a
van to 4WD.  My son did this a couple years ago and could be helpfull.
If you like, let me know and I will hook you up.

Al

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge ?'s
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:55:04 -0500


Pigeon Forge is a great  place to visit. Lots of stuff for the whole family
to do. The F-100 show is AWESOME !!!   If you have a chance while you are
there,eat at the  DIXIE STAMPEDE. It is kinda expensive but it is worth
every penny. You have have a  1/2 hr. pre--show before the main
attraction.The main attraction consists of a horse competition,pig
races,ostrich races & different things that members of the audience gets
involved in--all while you are eating. We go there at least once each time
we visit Pigeon Forge.  My family & I go to Pigeon Forge about  3 or 4 times
a yr. for different car & truck shows. We live in Ohio & it is about an  8
hr. drive for us. Its a good time for all.
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Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:39 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Pigeon Forge ?'s


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>DollyWood is more than country, it's "Americanna" and there are crafts that
>are interesting and a full size train that runs through the park and you
can
>ride on etc..  Fun for kids and lots of things for a lady to shop for too.
>We will probably plan on going there each time we visit now.  There was a
>store for little girls that had really nice dresses for a very reasonable
>price we thought.  We were actually surprised at the reasonableness of the
>prices in all the stores in Dolly Wood.
>
>The Smokeys are about 15 minutes from the Grand Hotel on a quiet day but
>about 1.5 hours during the height of the show :-)  Unless you just like
>looking at Vegas like towns, bypass Gattlinburg, it's a tourist trap and
>there is virtually no parking near resturants etc..  There are many little
>hiking excursions from about 1/2 mile to several miles you can take to see
>some nice sites, water falls and scenic views etc..  If you veer to the
>right past the welcome center you will wind up on the west side of the
>mountain and in a quaint little area that is growing like a weed with
>construction.  If you take the Gattlinburg bypass you will wind up in the
>reservation which is actually in South Carolina (I think?) which is
>basically a bunch of curio stores for tourists and stuff supposedly made by
>the indians etc..  There is a really nice tape you can get at the Welcome
>center that "Talks" you through the Smokeys with a nice history of the area
>too.  My wife and I enjoyed that.  We spent 3 days mostly in the park and
>still didn't see it all so we have something to look forward to next time
>:-)  Take a jacket with you if you go to the top, even on a hot day, trust
>me:-)
>
>The 56's are the most represented class with all the other vintages and
>sizes having classes through 78 (last year).  The early 60's are well
>represented usually as well as panels, HD Co's and other neat things.
There
>are usually a few really old ones there too but they are all Fords.  Sad to
>say though that many of the really old and cool ones had Chevy engines in
>them:-(  I was drooling over a rally nice burgandy 35 till he opened the
>hood......:-(
>
>--
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>Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco Loving, Gary
>--
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm considering a trip to Pigeon Forge this May for the Supernats.  (May
>> 17-20 for those that are interested.)  I've got a couple questions
though.
>>  Is this an F-100's only show or does it also include 150/250/350+ trucks
>> of the same vintage?  I'm mostly into the 70's trucks and I was curious
>> how many are represented from that vintage at this show or is it more
>> geared towards the earlier models?
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From: "Mike Mackie" <bigred connect.ab.ca>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:57:14 -0700
Subject: Pigeon Forge


Just reading the inquiries regarding the F100 nats at P/F... Sure wish I could
justify the trip. Like Gary said, the mid fifties trucks seem to predominate.
I was allowed to view a friend's video of last years event and it sure 'nuff
looked like the place to be. This video was a professionally made one and gave
a fairly good overview of the event. The main problem I had with it was that
95% of the trucks featured in detail were 53-56's. Try watching the same sequence
of camera angles twenty five times in a row and they kind of start looking the
same. Hope they balance it out better this year...(and do something about that
cheesy music!) :)

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: off year question
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:59:57 -0500


try to answer the questions you had.  No. 1  :  Try taking the inner fender
well loose up at the front & pulling it down enough to get your arm in there
to reach the bulb.  No 2 : The 2 screws should be the only thing holding
it--with a gasket underneath.
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Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:38 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] off year question


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>My son just bought a 92 Explorer.
>Question 1: How do you get to the right front marker light to replace the
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>Question 2: Does the high mount brake light lens have anything holding it
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From: "Matt" <draygo pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:42:08 -0800

My '75 has a 390, c6 with divorced 203.

Matt

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."

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> was there any 70's F-250's that had an automatic and FE(360/390) and a
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: What year F-250 w/Auto and 4x4...how about diesels?
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:23:35 -0800


That reminds me, was the 7.3 diesel available in 78?  There's a 78 F-350 4x4
with diesel advertised here for $7000.  Picture looks good and it says it
has a "Solid" body what ever that means :-)  It's exactly the truck I want
except for the engine, I'd rather have the 460 but I'm not quite ready to
spend that much right now anyway.  Says it has a "New" engine and
transmission what ever that means too :-)  If it really is a "New" engine
that's worth $4000 by itself :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> My '75 has a 390, c6 with divorced 203.
>
> Matt
>
> > Group
> >
> > was there any 70's F-250's that had an automatic and FE(360/390) and a
> divorced transfer case??
> > Joe


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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:29:28 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Rear axle recommendations


List,

Well, last night I snapped the driver side axle shaft on my Dana 60 in
the rear of my Supercab.  Snapped it in 3 pcs.  Unfortunately I also
snapped 2 teeth of of the spider gear in the carrier.  I was pulling out
of a parking space when it snapped.  Anyways, the carrier is not hurt,
everything turns nice and smooth inside, so I want to replace the guts
with a Lock Right or something similar.  I am asking for recommendations
on which one to go with.  The truck has 39's on it.  It has 4.10 gears.
It sees some heavy towing, used mostly on road, but when off road it
usually gets pretty deep.  I don't rock crawl, mostly deep mud.  We get
quite a bit of snow around here.  I have a track lock in the front.
Looking forward to ideas.

Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab (Camper Special 4x4)
79 Bronco (track locks front and rear)
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:38:37 -0800


Hey, Bob tries, eh?  There's a new guy on the block now.  Bob retired last
year so the videos will be done by a younger man and his family whome I met
last year.  Bob spent most of his time trying to find the "Right" music for
each sequence and it is a 56 show after all.  My wife and I spent some time
with "Video Bob" and his wife last year.  They are a very intersting couple.
If they show up this year and you find the time you should look them up and
talk with them.  One of the most interesting things I find about the show is
talking to people and hearing about what they have done, especially the
older ones.  Bob has a house and shop decorated with real old gas station
equipment and many old vehicles as well.  Ask him to show you some pictures
of his place if you meet him.  Also talk to the guy with the 48 ford with
the Oak side racks that have his business name burned in.  He actually uses
the truck in his business.  Then there was the guy who restored a 53,
something or other green truck for a rich guy which had every nut and bolt
fully NOS and no flaws except the paint color itself.  He says you can cheat
on the color to get a nicer look and the judges can't really distinguish
perfectly so they give you full credit for the color as well.  He was a
really intersting dude to talk to.  All he does is restore old vehicles for
rich people.  He has a fully equipped, air conditioned shop with his own
paint booth and other neat stuff.  He only deals with NOS parts and buys
vehicle which are already in pretty fair shape.   I think he said he had
about $61,000 in the truck all together with his labor etc....It's
definitely a fun place to spend a few days :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> 95% of the trucks featured in detail were 53-56's. Try watching
> the same sequence
> of camera angles twenty five times in a row and they kind of
> start looking the
> same. Hope they balance it out better this year...(and do
> something about that
> cheesy music!) :)


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Van conversion to 4WD
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:42:09 -0800


I also did this and may have been my posts you saw in reply to someone
trying to do a pickup, not sure.  It was worth it to me at the time but I
was young and healthy.  I wouldn't do it again though :-)

--
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Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I saw on the list a couple days ago someone asking about converting a
> van to 4WD.  My son did this a couple years ago and could be helpfull.
> If you like, let me know and I will hook you up.
>
> Al


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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:41:21 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge


At 11:57 PM 2/26/01, you wrote:

>Just reading the inquiries regarding the F100 nats at P/F... Sure wish I could
>justify the trip. Like Gary said, the mid fifties trucks seem to predominate.
>I was allowed to view a friend's video of last years event and it sure 'nuff
>looked like the place to be. This video was a professionally made one and gave
>a fairly good overview of the event. The main problem I had with it was that
>95% of the trucks featured in detail were 53-56's. Try watching the same sequence
>of camera angles twenty five times in a row and they kind of start looking the
>same. Hope they balance it out better this year...(and do something about that
>cheesy music!) :)

Its actually less than 95% 53-56.  Its just seems that way. :-) 61-66
made a huge showing last year (they seem to be the hot new thing) and
67-72's are starting to get hot too.  There weren't many examples of
73-79 trucks, maybe because they're so many being used as work trucks
and daily drivers....  Like many others, I'm getting tired of 56-56
trucks (well, not tired of them, just tired of not seeing as many of
the later models).  But at the rate I here about people restoring the
newer trucks I won't be surprised to see them dominate the show in
not too many years.

Ken Payne



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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 67-72 dash removal, revisited
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:47:38 -0800


Are you actually sure that it is welded in place and not bolted?  The 78's
are definitely bolted in place and are very easy to get out, 4 bolts and a
couple of support rods, that's it.  You may be looking at mouting brackets
welded to the body but are actually bolted to the dash from the under side?
Hard to imagine a welded dash installation on an assy line.  The 78's are
very modular and are bolted in in one unit with all the junk already
installed.

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Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I must have missed the mark with that last posting. I wanted to
> find out where the remainder of the welds were on the whole dash
> itself. I know about the two brackets on the lower part of the
> dash by the door posts but I was not sure that if I broke these
> welds, would the dash come right out, or are there more welds at
> the windsheild that I don't know about?


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Rear axle recommendations
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:00:03 -0800


Wow!  You must be wild when you get excited, eh?  Pulling out of a parking
space with tires burning?  I got some serious rubber with my Aerostar
yesterday myself.....(not proud of it though, it was a mistake :-))

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Well, last night I snapped the driver side axle shaft on my Dana 60 in
> the rear of my Supercab.  Snapped it in 3 pcs.  Unfortunately I also
> snapped 2 teeth of of the spider gear in the carrier.  I was pulling out
> of a parking space when it snapped.


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:04:12 -0800


If this is a 2wd then it's a piece a cake.  4x4's need some more parts to do
the swap to connect the transfer case.  Get the L&L mounts, get a new drive
shaft and you're done on a 2wd but the 4x4's are tougher.  More clearance
problems due to the 4x4 stuff.  You may have trouble with the passenger side
exhaust fitting past the frame too but it's not unsurmountable :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> it turns out to be more expensive than a much younger 460.  I would prefer
> to have the 460 but want to find out just how hard the swap is.  The motor
> I've found is from a wrecked '78 Lincoln for $450.  I have a friend that
> will build a C6 for the price of the kit.  I'm an equipment mechanic by
> trade and have always worked on cars so I'm sure I can handle it.


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:48:11 -0800


Yeah, but in May it's not so busy as some other times of the year I'm sure.
We found the State Park to be fairly empty most of the week, which is what
we recommend if you have the vacation time.  Go early so you can go out to
the park during the week and this would be true of Dolly Wood as well but in
May Dolly Wood is not open every day of the week so check the schedule
before you drive out there like we did......:-)  Had a nice chat with a
mechanic anyway and learned a lot about the area talking with him (Park was
closed but gates were open so we drove around).  Now that I think about it I
think talking to the locals was the highlight of my visit every time.  I
really enjoy talking to the people and getting the local history etc....

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Dollywood is a little more than country music, but it does play
> in most areas
> of the park. It will suck some bucks as well!! I have been
> vacationing in the
> Smokeys for almost 20 years and haven't done everything. It really is
> beautiful. It is the most visited national park in the country,
> so done think
> it will be easy to "get away from it all".


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:54:04 -0800


Ok, forgot the oil pan issue.  Even with the 2wd the 460 will fit better
with the rear sump pan most of the time but it's possible you can fit it
with the standard car front sump pan too.  The stock setup  uses a front
sump pan so I suspect this won't be an issue except, as the group says, for
the location of the drain plug.  There may also be an oil filter issue.  I
had to use the shorter FL-300 filter on mine but it was very close so the
mounts may make all the differnce.  I made my own mounts which did not put
the engine in exactly the stock location so these things may not be an issue
with the L&L mounts.  The Fl-1 would fit but was so close to the frame I
didn't want to chance it.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> > it turns out to be more expensive than a much younger 460.  I
> would prefer
> > to have the 460 but want to find out just how hard the swap is.
>  The motor
> > I've found is from a wrecked '78 Lincoln for $450.  I have a friend that
> > will build a C6 for the price of the kit.  I'm an equipment mechanic by
> > trade and have always worked on cars so I'm sure I can handle it.


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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:57:42 -0600
Subject: Re: off year question
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


Sorry about the extra list traffic. An off list note from Rich Southerland
turned the trick. The marker light is replaced and when the wet stuff moves
out I'll get the brake light. Thanks to all for the help.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:36:25 EST
Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions


One thing about making your own mounts or using someone else's. Ford truck
engines don't sit exactly center of the truck. They are sitting a little to
the right from center. It is in the ball park of 1.5 - 2 inches more or less.
Yet the engine is setting in a way as to have the driveshaft pointing pretty
much to the center of the rear axle yoke.

Open the hood and compare where the stud in the carburetor is in relation to
the center line of the body at the cowl area.

If you drew a straight line that follows this path through the entire truck,
you would have a surprisingly angled line that leads off to the right at the
front and to the left out of the rear. I am sure it wouldn't be perfectly
horizontal either. I haven't checked to be sure how much that angle is, but I
know it is there.

Be careful in keeping these angles as close to stock as you can. Ford decided
they are necessary, so I wouldn't mess with them too much.

Rollie

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:44:30 -0800 (PST)
From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle recommendations


> > Well, last night I snapped the driver side axle
shaft on my Dana 60 in
> > the rear of my Supercab.  Snapped it in 3 pcs.
Unfortunately I also
> > snapped 2 teeth of of the spider gear in the
carrier.  I was pulling out
> > of a parking space when it snapped.
>

If you are concerned about breaking D60 axle shafts,
then I'm not sure a LR type locker will be for you.
While the LR locker parts would be fairly beefy due to
the size of D60 carrier, the LR's (and clones) use
much smaller springs for pressure to keep drivers
against LR supplied "side gears". This allows more
slip than a detroit would.

 Problem is when the one wheel slips, the ractheting
could go on for a second or 2 and then when it bites,
it shock loads the whole works. I had a big proble
with this in a couple of 9" rears. I like them for a
D44 fronts, since they due unlock easier than a
detroit and they need to unlock a lot in the front.

 I've broken 6 rear D60 shafts running 44's and the
detroit is still fine. I don't see a D60 LR being in
the same shape. A detroit should drop in without any
setup if you use the same carrier shim thicknesses
that the orignal carrier had. I've done this 3 times
on a D60 front, D60 rear and a 7.5 ford on my old BII.
Had no problems on any of them. (check before and
after backlash to be sure!!).

                      OX



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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle recommendations
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:51:31 -0700


Steve,
Unfortunately I think a lockright or ezlocker will fail in a truck with
39's, probably on the road, let a lone in the mud.  I am not sure they even
make them for a Dana 60.  They are only rated up to 32" tires.  I have known
people who have run them with up to 35" tires with only minor problems
but...I don't know...seems sketchy to me.  Detroit :)  Has a nice ring to
it!

Later,
Dan


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List,

Well, last night I snapped the driver side axle shaft on my Dana 60 in
the rear of my Supercab.  Snapped it in 3 pcs.  Unfortunately I also
snapped 2 teeth of of the spider gear in the carrier.  I was pulling out
of a parking space when it snapped.  Anyways, the carrier is not hurt,
everything turns nice and smooth inside, so I want to replace the guts
with a Lock Right or something similar.  I am asking for recommendations
on which one to go with.  The truck has 39's on it.  It has 4.10 gears.
It sees some heavy towing, used mostly on road, but when off road it
usually gets pretty deep.  I don't rock crawl, mostly deep mud.  We get
quite a bit of snow around here.  I have a track lock in the front.
Looking forward to ideas.

Steve S. ....


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