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61-79-list Digest Thu, 22 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 058

In This Issue:
Gotta pipe in on the #3 death (long)
FE heaven
Re: Hans device and DE, was; daytona
Earnhart's Passing
Salute
C-6 Kickdown linkage
Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little  persp
Finally got it!
Re: Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little
'68 fe headers/hot start
Re: Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little
Re: self appointed list moms, perspective, and a lil more

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:34:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Kaczmar <biertest-r excite.com>
Subject: Gotta pipe in on the #3 death (long)



Okay. Here I gotta say a little about people saying the HANS device would
not have helped Dale.

Let me start here.

1) Something stinks with this crash.

The actual severity of the impact i.e. the speed of the car actually going
into the wall, did not look to be any more than 50-60 mph. Sure he was doing
150 or so, but the speed that counts is the component that is directed
perpendicular to the wall. The rest of it does not count. While 50-60 mph
seems like a huge amount of speed, and it is, it seems very odd that the car
was not as trashed as it should have been. It seems that the chassis was
overly stiff. The higher the stiffness, the higher the g-load will be, which
is what actually injures and kills drivers.

2) The cause of death was a basilar skull fracture. Essentially, this is a
fracture of the back of your skull, which occurs when your body, restrained
in harnesses, stops and your head, unrestrained continues forward, causing
the "death nod" Basically, your head rotates until your chin (occipital
lobe, FYI) smacks your chest... The spine and skull seperate, breaking the
chunk of skull just above your spine (you know the lump you always hit on
the jack while crawling under your truck) This is EXACTLY what the HANS
device is designed to prevent. It ties the head to the body so they move in
concert, not at two different rates.

I have done a lot of research into the topic of basilar skull fractures and
actually was working for a company where I tried to come up with a better
system. I have researched the findings of the impact recorder experiments
that CART/GM-Research have been doing, and have even spoken with Dr. Hubbard
a couple times. Obviously, as there is no data from the accident to collect,
I cannot make a firm conclusions, but by my estimation, that crash did not
look to be severe enough to be fatal. My suspicion is divided to two things.
Either the car was too stiff (no regulation against it) or his previous head
injuries left his injury threshold very low... maybe a combination of the
two.

Peoples comments about how hard it is to see and turn your head with the
HANS device is a load of crap too. Yes, it does limit your head turning
capability. Know what limits your vision more? A broken neck.
People used these same arguements when helmets and harnesses were being
mandated. Nowadays, nobody in their right mind would not get into a race car
without one, same with belts.

Can't see? Try a door mirror. How much visibility do you think  open wheel
cars have? What do they use? Iddy biddy mirrors, they are small but they
work, and I can attest to that.

Dale's dead, sorry to seem him go. Is it ironic he died from and incident
that can arguably be considered rough driving.... it's almost poetic. Karma?
Overall, it is tragic, nobody wants to see somebody die in any kind of
sport.

He was about to finish third, as #3, with his son ahead of him and one of
his cars taking the Checkered Flag in the biggest race in NASCAR. Did he die
happy? You bet your ass he did.

RIP Dale.

Michael Kaczmar
Just some guy who really doesn't care about NASCAR..
Owns Ford Trucks.





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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:10:32 EST
Subject: FE heaven


I was blessed yesterday by the FE gods.  A buddy of mine asked if I wanted
some old ford stuff he had layin around his place, so I of course jumped all
over it.  Well it cost me some back pain, but I walked away with 4 sets of FE
heads, 2 4 barrel intakes, a 360 shortblock (still standard), one of the good
FE oil pans with the plug on the back corner for less messy oil changes, a
360 or 390 flywheel, an FE and a 429 C-6, some front brake drums for an F-250
4x4 (they appear to be in good shape, I got no use for em, so if someone here
wants them, make me an offer) an FE bellhousing, a T-18 tranny, every part
needed to convert an auto tranny to a manual, one F-350 2wd brake caliper,
and various odds and ends that I can put to use.  All in all I had enough
iron in the back of my bros ranger to set that poor lil truck on the bump
stops.  Anyhow, just wanted to share it with all of you, have a good one.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" <oldparts ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Hans device and DE, was; daytona
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:19:35 -0500


>which they put up stronger fence but his car was only 18" tall from the
>ground after that incident and he only got a bruised elbow.  They had to
cut
>him out of the car too.  Another driver, Smith I believe, hit the wall much
>like Dale did but it didn't look all that bad either and he was in the
>hospital in a coma.  As I recall Davy Allison did the same thing at MIS in
>turn 4 but hit the end of the embuttment at speed.  You can't factor those
>incidents out of racing, it's part of the deal.  My wife and I are taping
>the show on FOX right now for my son who actually cried when he heard about
>it.
>


Ernie Ervin hit the wall at MIS that almost ended his life.  Davey died at
Talledaga in a helicopter.  I was and still am an avid Allison fan.  I know
what the DE fans are feeling. :-(

The only solice I have is that the 28 car is still on the track and when I
look at it I still think of Davey.  I wish they would leave the Intimidators
colors the same so the DE fans can have the memories also.  Just my .02 on
the subject......Now back to the trucks!

-Ted




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From: "mmiller14" <mmiller14 socal.rr.com>
Subject: Earnhart's Passing
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:43:11 -0800


Just got this.  Am passing it on to you guys.  I'm in digest mode, so
it may have already gotten to the list.
Sorry if it's a duplicate.

(forwarded)

A fine Daytona afternoon, the season just begun.
My boys were running one and two, and I was having fun.
I probably could have won the thing, but something held me back.
I was busy watching Dale and Mike -- and holding off the pack.

I was looking toward the front and not really to the rear.
Something tapped me on my bumper, but still I had no fear.
I thought it might be Sterling - I knew he was nearby.
When Sterling smells the checkered flag, I'll tell you, he ain't shy.

I slipped a bit. I turned the wheel. I sensed something odd.
It wasn't Sterling's tap I'd felt. It was the tap of God.
"Not now," I said. "I'm racing hard. There's work still here to do."
"You're time is up," He whispered low, "So say a quick adieu."

I wasn't really ready, but I didn't have a choice.
He'd tapped me on the bumper and I'd heard His hallowed voice.
So I did as He instructed. I  packed it in and left.
I guess it can't be helped that I left some  bereft.

Did you see those birds upon the wall as they scattered in the breeze?
Will it make it any easier to know that they were me?
There was also Davey, Dad and Neil with other guys I've known.
And they all came to Daytona, just to escort me  home.

Hey - congratulations, Mike! You made a worthy run.
I wish you many more. You're wins have just begun.
All that fun you had in Victory Lane, I was proud as proud can be.
Did you see a seagull flying low? Yes, Mike, that was me.

So, friends and fans and family, don't mourn me for too long.
Get on with life - take care of things - be brave and proud and strong
I'll surely miss you each and all. About that I will not lie.
But as long as you remember me - I didn't really die.

(witty author unknown to me)

Marv Miller - mailto:ae722 lafn.org
mailto:mmiller14 socal.rr.com
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am"


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Salute
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:49:13 -0600

Mr Rich Southland writes:  >>snip-18 February 2001, Dale Earnhardt died driving for fame and glory at the
Daytona 500. The nation mourns. Seven soldiers died training to protect our
freedom. No one can remember their names and most don't even remember the
incidents.<<

I agree with you and I Salute You Mr Southland.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "jason merritt" <jasonfmerritt mmcable.com>
Subject: C-6 Kickdown linkage
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:14:56 -0600

Does anyone know where to find the kickdown linkage for a 1970, f-100, 2wd, 390, with a C-6 tranny. I cant seem to find one around here, (Oklahoma City) and I have scavenged the junkyards. If anyone knows who might have such a thing it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Jason



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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:21:56 -0800 (PST)
From: "D. DiMartino" <grunon yahoo.com>
Subject: Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little  persp


who cares?? I don't. keep it off this list or join the NASCAR
digest.


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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:51:42 -0600
Subject: Re: Tire vibe
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


I had another thought on this. I had a 69 Buick deuce and a quarter rag top
with a 430 that burnt the head gasket out between two cylinders that were
also next to each other in the firing order. That puppy would shake like
crazy when you let off of the gas coming down a steep hill as those two
cylinders fired each other. I don't think this is your problem, Tony, but it
might help somewhere down the road.

-- John
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:13:30 GMT
Subject: Finally got it!



My buddy Matt finally sent me the link to the pics he took at the ice race I
was at on Sunday.

It was a "Daytona 500" sort of party, they had the race on in the shelter and
a bunch of food and such.  Sponsored by our local SCCA region, it was the first
time I'd ever been up there.  Of course I had the oldest vehicle by about 9
years, with another Ford takin up the 82 year ... it was a ball ... anyway there's
some good pics in there, enjoy ...

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Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:06:37 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little


Who died and made you ListMaster?

"D. DiMartino" wrote:
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> who cares?? I don't. keep it off this list or join the NASCAR
> digest.
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From: "Gagnon, Raymond J" <GagnonRJ navair.navy.mil>
Subject: '68 fe headers/hot start
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:22:16 -0500



 I have an under hood heat issue,  I'm assuming it is coming from the
 headers, and not something else because my Dad's FE in his 70 F100 running
 stock manifolds is very cool (under hood temp that is).  Currently the
 starter is wrapped.  I wondering about the effectiveness of the header
wraps
 are that are available, if anyone has used them, what were the results,
etc,
 or If I am better off purchasing a set of ceramic coated headers, or
another
 set of headers, and having them ceramic coated.  (also sources for ceramic
 coating, or factory ceramic coated headers would be helpful)

 This truck has never had any overheating issues due to this problem, but
 does have the occasional hot start issue, probably due to the heat of the
 gas, or the non-dense air, I have no idea.

 Ken,
I've got the clone to your truck, '68 F100 w/360 c6 & headers.  Mine had
uncoated headers unknown make when I bought the truck, they had pinholes so
I replaced them.  I bought Hedmans & had them coated, the passenger side has
barely enough clearance to remove the nut from the pos. post of the starter.
You definitely have to drop the header to remove the starter.

Anyway, I've had no problems with hot starting this truck, even with the old
uncoated headers.
I don't think coating the headers is the key to your problem.  I'm sure it
will help, but I suspect the fuel line might be too close to the driver side
front header tube, especially if you have power steering (like I do).  The
fuel line should be run under the ps pump, along the front of the engine
block.

If it's more starter related, you might be running a rebuilt starter that is
marginal.  I had that problem on a mustang with headers, when the car was
hot the starter wouldn't turn.  Damn thing was a brand-new rebuilt.  A more
experienced guy (drag racer) told me to buy a brand new, not rebuilt
starter, Bingo! no more hot start problems.
These vehicles are over thirty years old, the starter cores have been
rebuilt a hundred times, they're just too far gone for a reliable $19
rebuild.

That's my experience, good luck.

Ray G

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:38:05 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little


Actually, you deserve a more thoughtful reponse than my
"shooting-from-the-hip" retort.  I apologize.  It's early.  My espresso
hasn't kicked in...

Anyway, in response to your question "who cares..."  The answer is I,
for one, care.  Much of what is developed in NASCAR eventually makes its
way into our person vehicles (yes, even our Ford Trucks), especially
safety devices (safety belts, safety harnesses, etc.).  For example,
this morning it was reported that #3's seat belt had failed (broken) and
that had it not broken, Dale Earnhart would have probably survived the
crash.  Coincidentally, I heard this as I was fastening my own seat
belt, something I take for granted and never consider as a failure
risk...

Well, I think it may be a good idea to check the belts in my Ford Truck,
My Mustang, My Chr*sl*r...you get the idea.  At any rate, safety and
safety devices are always of concern to me and my involvement in motor
sports...

Sometimes it takes critical thinking to make the connection with what is
being discussed on the list with FTE's but usually it is there...and I
would be the last to want to over-restrict the discussion to any very
narrow aspect of Ford Truckin'...



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:58:47 EST
Subject: Re: self appointed list moms, perspective, and a lil more


In a message dated 2/23/2001 8:40:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dpearson ctc.edu writes:

<< Anyway, in response to your question "who cares..."  The answer is I,
for one, care.  Much of what is developed in NASCAR eventually makes its
way into our person vehicles (yes, even our Ford Trucks), especially
safety devices (safety belts, safety harnesses, etc.).  For example,
this morning it was reported that #3's seat belt had failed (broken) and
that had it not broken, Dale Earnhart would have probably survived the
crash.  Coincidentally, I heard this as I was fastening my own seat
belt, something I take for granted and never consider as a failure
risk...

Well, I think it may be a good idea to check the belts in my Ford Truck,
My Mustang, My Chr*sl*r...you get the idea.  At any rate, safety and
safety devices are always of concern to me and my involvement in motor
sports...
 >>


Im going to add to this.  Im involved in the extreme side of offroading.  My
truck has seen triple digit speeds on roads youd think twice about going down
at 35 mph.  I've competed in thunder-trucks which involved my truck jumping
over cars, and clearing the exact same jumps Bigfoot and other Monster trucks
were using.  All of this has givin a thrill like Ive never had.  Im going to
be doing a lot more of it, whether its in Tweety, or any other truck I happen
to get.  All of this safety discussion has lots of merit on this list to me,
because when I do what I do offroad, I accept a lot of the same risks that
our friends in Nascar face.  Part of the rebuild of my truck will be a roll
cage, racing seats, and 5 point harnesses.  The days of using lapbelts and
luck are over.  Now this nascar tragedy has givin me more info on the forces
involved in crashes, as well as ways to possibly prevent them.  It has all
been good info, and I for one can actually put it to use.  I hope Ive added a
lil light to this topic.

Darrell & Tweety

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