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Re: Off topic, test In Cab tank Re: Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" -Stan's Headers- Tire vibe and cab brace Re: 9 inch questions 58 F350 Re: Tire vibe and cab brace Re: Tire vibe and cab brace Torsen's again, new insight (maybe :-)) Hans device and DE, was; daytona Hans device and DE, was; daytona was Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little pe Re: was Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a littl Re: Hans device and DE, was; daytona ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:55:52 -0800 From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: brace on inside rear wall of cab On the trucks I have here, the ones without behind-the-seat tanks do not have the brace/mount, which is a thin channel iron that is welded in to hold the bolts for the tank. These trucks are '75 to '78 and IMO it would be safe to remove the mount. However, the early - mid '60s trucks could be different ... I dunno. Hope this helps with your decision. Greg Garrett Nelson wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Well, I think I am going to wait before I do this now, I'd like to see what anyone else has to say. My thoughts are that the vertical ribs on the back wall of the cab strengthen it and prevent flexing, as well as the design of the hole the rear window goes into. I will probably remove it but will wait for more opinions. > > Thanks guys. > > Garrett Nelson > www.1966ford.com > > ---------------------------------------------------- > What this means is that the mid and late 70s likely don't need a brace and > that there is no way to tell for sure on a 60s era truck with the earlier > cab style. > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:22:42 EST Subject: Re: Daytona 500 In a message dated 2/20/2001 7:55:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, vhhuston switch.com writes:
> The reports I saw said that the safety gear wouldn't have done > anything to save him. He was the last driver to wear an open helmet and he > didn't wear a head/neck support. But, the doctor said it wouldn't have made > a difference. > > Virgil > > > Very true...The report I heard on the news this morning stated that he > > refused to wear the safety equipment that probably would have saved his > > life...My wife commented when she heard this that at least his death > > would serve some purpose in warning others not to do the > > same...Sometimes she's pretty darn smart... > > > Did you all hear about the super-duper new helmet that sold like hot cakes after the # 3 mishap ? I heard no one was interested before , but afterwards the $ 6,000.oo price tag wasn't so bad . Foresight ????? ------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:05:05 -0800 I have done some research on this and the header heat wraps seem to be a hoax. They will cause your headers to rust away and disintegrate from getting so hot. The ceramic coatings such as Jet-Hot are the only way to go IMO if you want the headers to last. I am going to send in my brand new Heddman headers to them pretty soon to get coated. Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jet-hot.com and request their free video for more info on the process. If I would have known this beforehand I would have just bought a set of coated headers. Hookers are nice, Heddman seems to be good too. Just my thoughts... I was previously planning on using the header wraps but I found out that they trap heat and will ruin your headers.. often the metal oxidizes/melts away leaving only the header wrap holding things together. Garrett Nelson www.1966ford.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Schneider To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" ---------------------------------------------------------- Support FTE - Check out our store: http://www.motorhaven.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------- List, I currently have a stock FE/C6 combo under the hood of my 68 F100 2wd. When I bought the truck a few years ago, it came with some headers, and dual exhaust with turbo mufflers. I am not sure of the brand of headers, but they seem to be some kind of medium/large tube headers. Each exhaust port has a separate tube (obviously), but the weird part about these headers is that the exhaust port flanges are completely separate, they are not connected. The only place that the headers are connected is the bottom. Matter of fact, My Dad and I had to cut individual gaskets with a dremel tool and gasket material because any stock Felpro offering, or Mr. Gasket offering for FE engines would not line up correctly with the headers. The headers don't leak though, and they stay tight. The only issue with these headers is the starter removal/installation of course, and the lack of available gaskets. I have an under hood heat issue, I'm assuming it is coming from the headers, and not something else because my Dad's FE in his 70 F100 running stock manifolds is very cool (under hood temp that is). Currently the starter is wrapped. I wondering about the effectiveness of the header wraps are that are available, if anyone has used them, what were the results, etc, or If I am better off purchasing a set of ceramic coated headers, or another set of headers, and having them ceramic coated. (also sources for ceramic coating, or factory ceramic coated headers would be helpful) Keep in mind that this is a non-salt month vehicle (April-November) and sees about 5000 miles a year. This truck has never had any overheating issues due to this problem, but does have the occasional hot start issue, probably due to the heat of the gas, or the non-dense air, I have no idea. Thanks for your time, suggestions, and bandwidth, Ken Schneider Coloma, MI (currently FSU in Big Rapids, MI)
68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL 88 Crown Victoria 5.0/Mustang AOD ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:37:25 -0800 I spoke with the guys at JetHot extensively as well as HP coatings so consider the source but they told me in no uncertain terms that buying coated headers from the factory, even Hookers, wasn't the best way to go. Hooker sends their headers down to Mexico to get them coated and it's not a terrific job. If you send your headers in to JetHot they'll coat them inside & out for about $250. They also stock quite a few headers that they buy and coat. I got a set of Hooker Super Comps from JetHot for less than a set of the factory coated headers from Summit /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > I have done some research on this and the header heat wraps seem to be a hoax. They will cause your headers to rust away and disintegrate from getting so hot. The ceramic coatings such as Jet-Hot are the only way to go IMO if you want the headers to last. I am going to send in my brand new Heddman headers to them pretty soon to get coated. Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jet-hot.com and request their free video for more info on the process. > > If I would have known this beforehand I would have just bought a set of coated headers. Hookers are nice, Heddman seems to be good too. > > Just my thoughts... I was previously planning on using the header wraps but I found out that they trap heat and will ruin your headers.. often the metal oxidizes/melts away leaving only the header wrap holding things together. ------------------------------ From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:52:01 -0500 Header wrap does do some good; but, it's application is best suited for racing and not the street. The ceramic coatings are the best bang for the buck for a street vehicle. They reduce temp, and better yet because they coat inside and out they reduce rust in your header (where it usually eats it out) and keeps the flow up. You get good performance year after year. If you wrap them it just traps the moisture and promotes rust outside. Good Luck. John '77 F150 4X4 466/C6/4:11's/33's > I have done some research on this and the header heat wraps seem to be a hoax. They will cause your headers to rust away and disintegrate from getting so hot. The ceramic coatings such as Jet-Hot are the only way to go IMO if you want the headers to last. I am going to send in my brand new Heddman headers to them pretty soon to get coated. Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jet-hot.com and request their free video for more info on the process. > > If I would have known this beforehand I would have just bought a set of coated headers. Hookers are nice, Heddman seems to be good too. > > Just my thoughts... I was previously planning on using the header wraps but I found out that they trap heat and will ruin your headers.. often the metal oxidizes/melts away leaving only the header wrap holding things together. > ------------------------------ From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:24:12 -0800 (PST) Ken S. wrote: > Each exhaust port has a separate tube (obviously), but the weird part > about these headers is that the exhaust port flanges are completely > separate, they are not connected. In the mid '70's there was a company called Appliance that made a Cragar wheel copy that was all steel. They later started making headers that had these individual flanges. At the time there were people who advocated hacksawing your flanges apart between each port which was supposed to give you a better seal. Today's thinking is just the opposite. People want thick, heavy flanges. > Matter of fact, My Dad and I had to cut individual gaskets with a dremel > tool and gasket material because any stock Felpro offering, or > Mr. Gasket offering for FE engines would not line up correctly with the > headers. BTDT. The Fel-Pro #1442 gaskets are make of some awesome material, but the port sizes are too big and the bolt holes do not line up when the gasket is centered on the port. I cut them in half and punched out the bolt holes so that I could line them up better. I am looking into making my own gaskets using dead soft aluminum like the Percy's collector gaskets. What did you use for gasket material? > This truck has never had any overheating issues due to this problem, but > does have the occasional hot start issue, probably due to the heat of > the gas, or the non-dense air, I have no idea. My headers are ceramic coated and I had a hot start problem. There was a lot of discussion on this list about solving it by using an insulating spacer between the carb and manifold. I recently installed a 1" thick plastic insulator and my hot start problems went away. Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4x4 ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: FW: List 'pre61-list' closed to public posts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:53:01 -0800 Well, now aint this a nice can of worms! Hope I get this one back, I just wasted a couple very lengthy post due to this....:-( How that address got in there I'll never know???? -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server [mailto:listar ford-trucks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 7:40 PM > To: gpeters3 len-net.com
> Subject: List 'pre61-list' closed to public posts > > > Your post to the Ford Truck Enthusiasts > mailing list was rejected because your > email address was not on the subscriber > list. > > ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: HEADER WRAP.....AGAIN #! #%!#% #% #$ #$! $%
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:05:45 -0800 I hate ORBS, I hate ORBS, I ha......anyway, I tried to get my bronco mail by cheating with an unprotected sit and Outlook is so stupid it doesn't realize that when you set an account as a default it is supposed to be THE STINKING DEFAULT!!!! GRRRRRRRRr! Anyway, I wrapped my headers several years ago and liked the looks and the heat protection but, as they say rust may some day be an issue. Haven't seen any problems yet but it hasn't been run all that much either so still waiting for them to fall off I guess :-) Theoretically you can Paint, wrap, dry and re-paint over the wrap to get a very good seal for the exterior metal. The interior should not rust if the engine is run often but the tape certainly "could" concentrate enough heat in the area near the ports to super heat the steel so that is is damaged I suppose (theoretically at least). It's a messy job, you get your hands all cut up and full of fiber glass and those clips are murder.....they cut very deep and very easily so be carefull! If you plan to coat your headers I suggest you mock them up, do all the bending and hammering you will need to do to get a perfect fit then send them out but not before. The coating is very hard and brittle so will chip and flake off if you bend or hammer on them. I have start issues with both my truck and my bronco, they both have the same 4 pole starter but the bronco has stock manifolds. I still say it has nothing to do with the starter but rather, the carb or fuel lines.....maybe some day we'll know for sure when one or the other falls off, eh? -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- -- Type: application/ms-tnef -- File: winmail.dat ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Off topic, test Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:25:38 -0800 Sorry, just had to find out if it works, please ignore..... -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: In Cab tank Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:25:54 -0600 John LaG. writes: >> What was the last year for in cab gas tanks on Fords? << I have a '77 F250 4X4 that has incab tank. I also have a '76 F350 2WD that was sold as cab&chassis(now has a 14' flatbed - Farm truck) that has the incab tank. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Re: Headers/Under hood Heat "FE Related" -Stan's Headers- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:44:35 -0500 Okay, what about Stan's Headers? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stans-headers.com/ I don't know what they are coated with, or anything about them really, but I seem to remember the list talking about them a couple years ago as being the one company that made a header that still allowed you to access the starter. I left them an email asking about various things, and will let the list know the outcome. Any experiences with them anyone? Thanks again for all responses, Ken Schneider Coloma, MI (currently FSU in Big Rapids, MI)
68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL 88 Crown Victoria 5.0/Mustang AOD ------------------------------ From: "Gary L. Perry" <glperry fwi.com>
Subject: Tire vibe and cab brace Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:47:51 -0500 In the past I had a 71 Ranger that had manual steering. It was fine till about 50 and hit a bump (didn't even have to be big) and that would start the wheel hopping and sterring wheel jerking back and forth quickly, getting worse till I came to complete stop. The alignment shop told me I needed better shocks and balancing on tires to correct this common Ford problem. All the balancing and tire rotatiing did nothing. I bought good gas shocks and it was 80% better but never went away. I had talked to other guys that had problem and all had manual steering. Shop said bad mounting of steering box and frame cracking there could also be part of problem. Never fixed right, sold truck. On cab brace, I would never cut out such an item. You may get "oil-canning" noises from back panel when driving. Why not make a panel of 1/4" wood or maybe heavy card stock and carpet that and screw it too the braces? Should be able to make it meet up at the top brace or window area and look neat. G L Perry ------------------------------ From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:41:31 EST Subject: Re: 9 inch questions In a message dated 2/21/01 6:26:58 AM Central Standard Time, gpeters3 lni.net
writes: > I "Might" take a chance on a rear wheel this way, one time to save a few > bucks on the bearings if only the seal needed replacement, especially If I > just put it on new and tore the seal when installing it but if this were on > an aircraft or front wheels of a high speed vehicle or were on a bearing > that had been in place for many miles I would not take the chance. What > part of your life or family's life will you trade for $40? > > Definently agree with you here, Sorry not to be that clear a one time thing only. I would not suggest reusing a retainer continously, that would be crazy. Glenn NY 78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches) ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Brown" <snoopy1 ford-trucks.net>
Subject: 58 F350 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:35:20 -0800 I know this is a little off topic , buuuuut..... :-} I found a 1958 F350 flatbed Vin#F35L8K17204 for sale at Goodwill (of all places) they want $999 for it. It looks stock, has a small dent in the right front fender, otherwise, it looks very well used but not in bad shape. Oh, and it does run (not sure how well). I prsonaly have never seen a 58 F350 untill now, Are they rare? Does anyone have an idea of how much a truck (in desent shape) like this is worth ? Stephen Brown 71' F250 "Baby" 68' F100 (project) 94' Ranger Supercab 4.0 ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Tire vibe and cab brace Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:13:06 -0800 That "Head Shake" I call it, is probably due to something loose in the steering chain. Typically is it something that controls the sideways movement of the wheels such as the box itself or tie rods or drag link. I've never seen ball joints or king pins do this but linkage, cracked frame as he says or seriously loose tie rod ends in a two wheel drive or track bar in a 4 wheel drive etc.. In almost every case you can resolve this with a steering damper if all else fails. The larger your tires are the more you will have to control this as well which is one reason you see double dampers on largh 4x4's with big tires. I can't speak as an authority here but I would suspect the brace is there strictly to mount the tank and is not structural. As I remember these, they are not very substantial so wouldn't contribute much any way? -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > In the past I had a 71 Ranger that had manual steering. It was > fine till about 50 and hit a bump (didn't even have to be big) > and that would start the wheel hopping and sterring wheel jerking > back and forth quickly, getting worse till I came to complete > stop. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Tire vibe and cab brace Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:51:36 -0800 Since nobody's yaking I'll add to this......I suspect that even a bad body mount could contribute to the head shake as well. My bronco has all new front end parts and everything is tight but it has no damper (Yet) and this happened to me once on a RR track. I did some looking and found the two front body mounts had rusted completely off leaving the front of the cab (clip) hanging loose, just laying on the frame and bouncing. I removed the front radiator frame and rebuilt the pads and installed new rubers etc. which also fixed some other issues I was having such as 33" tires that rub occasionally and a radiator that just won't stay glued together etc. and have not seen any kind of shake since. In this case the shake was very rare anyway so this is not a scientific evaluation by any means but the front clip does add considerable rigidity to the front end on the bronco so may have been a factor. BTW, I've officially passed up that F-250. I'm going to wait till I see a 350 which suits me and save my money toward that goal. Meanwhile I will have a 2wd 78 F-150 with stock 351 engine and wide ratio tranny with some body repairs done on it for sale in a few months to bolster my 350 fund. It was my dad's truck but it doesn't really suit my needs so will be sacrificed. I am a pack rat but I do believe in only keeping stuff I can use. There isn't much room in my life for "Antiques" that are just there to look at. I'm also going to clean out my F-150 stock pile of parts this summer which includes several 9" axles and a few C-6's etc. but won't be doing anything til it warms up around here. Meanwhile I will be picking up the auto Traders and Wheeler Dealers and drooling over all the neat old trucks that I don't really have time or money for such as the 51 Diamond T for $900 or 78 ford, 4x4 dump for $2000 or the fully restored 51 with original everything for $12,500 or......... -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > That "Head Shake" I call it, is probably due to something loose in the > steering chain. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Torsen's again, new insight (maybe :-)) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:09:27 -0800 Just finished going over the paper on the Torsen and if I understand all their jibberish the key to the whole thing is on page 8 if I counted right where there is a graph showing the relatiionship between bias and locking ability. It would appear that the higher the bias number the better it will lock so rather than the speed bias value this bias refers to something else based on some kind of friction between all the gears or something......Sheeeesh! Anyhow, if I read this right the best locking Torsens will have the highest bias ratio. Anyone else get that drift as well? -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- -- Type: application/ms-tnef -- File: winmail.dat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Hans device and DE, was; daytona > > > The reports I saw said that the safety gear wouldn't have done > > anything to save him. He was the last driver to wear an open helmet and he > > didn't wear a head/neck support. But, the doctor said it wouldn't have made > > a difference. > > > > Virgil > > > > > Very true...The report I heard on the news this morning stated that he > > > refused to wear the safety equipment that probably would have saved his > > > life...My wife commented when she heard this that at least his death > > > would serve some purpose in warning others not to do the > > > same...Sometimes she's pretty darn smart... > > > > > > > Did you all hear about the super-duper new helmet that sold like hot cakes > after the # 3 mishap ? I heard no one was interested before , but afterwards > the $ 6,000.oo price tag wasn't so bad . Foresight ????? > The Hans device was worn by 6 or 8 drivers DURING the daytona 500. Many drivers have not worn it AFTER they tested it because it limits your ability to turn your head and hence your vision to the side is affected (a safety device that may cause accidents??) As for Dale. They estimate his impact in the 200G range. Your brain squashes inside your skull at that extreme force. If he survived he would be a vegetable. He also has 8 broken ribs, broken breast bone, broken ankle, blood in his lungs, coming out his ears, and in his airways. Everyone I've heard with any knowledge of auto racing, this accident, AND medicine has said no driver worn safety device would have saved him. I was not a fan (he drove a ch*bbie), but I respected him as an excellent driver and will miss his non-PC attitude!!! OX -- 78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44 boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869
(street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5 SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it). 79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3
40, pulling boat, 19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)
__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:07:58 -0800 (PST) From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Hans device and DE, was; daytona > > > The reports I saw said that the safety gear wouldn't have done > > anything to save him. He was the last driver to wear an open helmet and he > > didn't wear a head/neck support. But, the doctor said it wouldn't have made > > a difference. > > > > Virgil > > > > > Very true...The report I heard on the news this morning stated that he > > > refused to wear the safety equipment that probably would have saved his > > > life...My wife commented when she heard this that at least his death > > > would serve some purpose in warning others not to do the > > > same...Sometimes she's pretty darn smart... > > > > > > > Did you all hear about the super-duper new helmet that sold like hot cakes > after the # 3 mishap ? I heard no one was interested before , but afterwards > the $ 6,000.oo price tag wasn't so bad . Foresight ????? > The Hans device was worn by 6 or 8 drivers DURING the daytona 500. Many drivers have not worn it AFTER they tested it because it limits your ability to turn your head and hence your vision to the side is affected (a safety device that may cause accidents??) As for Dale. They estimate his impact in the 200G range. Your brain squashes inside your skull at that extreme force. If he survived he would be a vegetable. He also has 8 broken ribs, broken breast bone, broken ankle, blood in his lungs, coming out his ears, and in his airways. Everyone I've heard with any knowledge of auto racing, this accident, AND medicine has said no driver worn safety device would have saved him. I was not a fan (he drove a ch*bbie), but I respected him as an excellent driver and will miss his non-PC attitude!!! OX -- 78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44 boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869
(street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5 SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it). 79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3
40, pulling boat, 19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)
__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: was Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a little pe Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:14:46 -0800 In todays email... On 18 February 2001, while racing for fame and fortune, Dale Earnhardt died in the last lap of the Daytona 500. It was surely a tragedy for his family, friends and fans. He was 49 years old with grown children, one, which was in the race. I am new to the NASCAR culture so much of what I know has come from the newspaper and TV. He was a winner and earned everything he had. This included more than "$41 million in winnings and ten times that from endorsements and souvenir sales". He had a beautiful home and a private jet. He drove the most sophisticated cars allowed and every part was inspected and replaced as soon as there was any evidence of wear. This is normally fully funded by the car and team sponsors. Today, there is no TV station that does not constantly remind us of his tragic end and the radio already has a song of tribute to this winning driver. Nothing should be taken away from this man, he was a professional and the best in his profession. He was in a very dangerous business but the rewards were great. Two weeks ago seven U.S. Army soldiers died in a training accident when two UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters collided during night maneuvers in Hawaii. The soldiers were all in their twenties, pilots, crewchiefs and infantrymen. Most of them lived in sub-standard housing. If you add their actual duty hours (in the field, deployed) they probably earn something close to minimum wage. The aircraft they were in were between 15 and 20 years old. Many times parts were not available to keep them in good shape due to funding. They were involved in the extremely dangerous business of flying in the Kuhuku mountains at night. It only gets worse when the weather moves in as it did that night. Most times no one is there with a yellow or red flag to slow things down when it gets critical. Their chidren where mostly toddlers who will lose all memory of who "Daddy" was as they grow up. They died training to defend our freedom. I take nothing away from Dale Earnhardt but ask you to perform this simple test. Ask any of your friends if they know who was the NASCAR driver killed on 18 February 2001. Then ask them if they can name one of the seven soldiers who died in Hawaii two weeks ago. 18 February 2001, Dale Earnhardt died driving for fame and glory at the Daytona 500. The nation mourns. Seven soldiers died training to protect our freedom. No one can remember their names and most don't even remember the incident. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:49:19 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: was Hans device and DE,daytona, Now let's get a littl "Southerland, Rich" wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > In todays email... > > On 18 February 2001, while racing for fame and fortune, Dale Earnhardt died > in the last lap of the Daytona 500. <snip>... > Two weeks ago seven U.S. Army soldiers died in a training accident when two > UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters collided during night maneuvers in Hawaii.<snip>... (At the risk of being off-topic) Thank you for that... -- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://counterculture.ws http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ctc.edu/~dpearson/popcult.html http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/lyrics.htm ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Hans device and DE, was; daytona Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:42:15 -0800 I remember a CART race a few years ago in Toronto where a rookie who was one of the best natural drivers since Mario was killed in a high tech, compressable, scrub off the speed cushion Indy car after running over the rear tire of a car in front of him at about 120 mph. No one allowed for the possibility that his head might contact one of the support posts (actually several) when the car turned on it's side and slid along the fence killing an official as well. When that car stopped it was obvious from what was left of the pod the driver was in that there wasn't enough room in there for a full sized man so there was little hope that he survived. He was killed instantly when his head hit those posts. Show me safety equipment that takes it all into account and I'll show you a space suit that won't allow any movement at all. Read....."Bumper cars". Racing is what it is because it's dangerous. If it were not how many would even watch? We don't ever want to see our favorite driver hurt but we love to see him cartwheel across the track, don't we? The accident just before the fatal one looked very bad but no one was hurt. That's part of the draw to the sport. In 93 I watched Horton go over the wall at Teledaga after which they put up stronger fence but his car was only 18" tall from the ground after that incident and he only got a bruised elbow. They had to cut him out of the car too. Another driver, Smith I believe, hit the wall much like Dale did but it didn't look all that bad either and he was in the hospital in a coma. As I recall Davy Allison did the same thing at MIS in turn 4 but hit the end of the embuttment at speed. You can't factor those incidents out of racing, it's part of the deal. My wife and I are taping .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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