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61-79-list Digest Sun, 18 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 053

In This Issue:
Re: Brake lines
Re: ALERT//RIPPED OFF
Re: 360
ALLERT//RIPPED OFF
OT jeep enging swaps, with a Ford motor :-)
Re: Timing my motor - need advice
Re: Torsens
Re: ALLERT//RIPPED OFF
Re: Brake lines
Re: 360
Re: Torsens
Re: Brake lines
Re: 360
Number 3 has died....
Re: 360
Re: 360
Re: ALLERT//RIPPED OFF
Number 3
Re: Number 3
390 intake finished
Re: 390 intake finished
Re: Number 3 has died....
Re: 360
Re: 390 intake finished
Re: 360

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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:01:26 EST
Subject: Re: Brake lines

In a message dated 2/17/01 6:54:11 PM Central Standard Time,
kendrick mddc.com writes:


> Is it wise to splice the line with a compression
>

I am not sure where your from but in NY it is illegal to use compression
fittings in the brake lines.  Inspection Station won't pass it anymore.

Glenn  NY
78 F250  (talk about projects and headaches)



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:03:00 EST
Subject: Re: ALERT//RIPPED OFF

Thank for the info.


Glenn NY
78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches)



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:17:00 EST
Subject: Re: 360

In a message dated 2/18/01 7:49:24 AM Central Standard Time, jmb40 amexol.net
writes:


> The distributor is loose, and pulls up slightly
> but then hangs up. Is there a trick to getting them out? Shouldn't they
> just pull out
> like any other distributor?
>
>

Usually this is caused by carbon or sluge buildup on the oil pump shaft. A
little pressure on the dist. most times it pops loose and comes right out.

Glenn NY

78 250  (talk about projects and headaches)



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From: "O'Connor" <theoconnors mindspring.com>
Subject: ALLERT//RIPPED OFF
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:35:49 -0500


Group,

I have the same problem.  I ordered a shaft and it was
the wrong one.  I sent it back and now I can't get the correct one or the
money back.  Also, it was supposed to be NOS and it had signs of use.
Is anyone near or going to Vestal NY near Binghamton just off I17.
The name of the outfit is:

  Miller Obsolete Parts

  1329 Campus Dr

  Vestal, NY 13850

  1-800-546-7278

Darrell, would you consider going to Vestal also!



Tim 66F100



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From: "Erik Marquez" <bronco78 alaska.com>
Subject: OT jeep enging swaps, with a Ford motor :-)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 07:23:37 -0900


Gang, please excuse the OT, but a friend is looking for some info on a V-8
conversion in his jeep.  Very good guy I met up here, that has taken me and
the bronco in to his club, with nary a sideways glance at my non jeep.

Place he is looking at is in San Jose called Z&M Conversions?  They
specialize in 5.0 liter Ford conversions in Jeeps.

Anybody know it? used them? Know of another place, supplier?
This is a quality minded person and he is looking for a place that can
supply a complete conversion kit, list, parts, not just a hack job.  He is
looking towards the Outback challenge in Australia next year which he
intends to race in.. Thus the reason to do the V8 swap in place of the 4cyl
that he currently performs flawlessly with the trails in AK.

Anyway to those that have any help, probable best to mail me on the side,
off list.

To those that have no interest, my apologies for the OT

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
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Home of the BB decal



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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Timing my motor - need advice
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:01:48 -0800 (PST)


Tom wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> > Normally you can see spark knock
> > > in the form of shiny metal spots on the porcelain which
> > will stay there even
> > > after blasting lighty if severe enough.
> <snip>
>
> Mark those little shiny flecks that Gary is talking about are pieces of your
> PISTONS! That's one of the reasons engines don't last under detonation.
> This also occurs if you use too much nitrous.  Melts the top of the pistons
> and flecks of aluminum deposit on the plugs.

I looked at the plugs and they look great.  These are new plugs with maybe
400 miles on them since my little problem with the intake gaskets.  The
insulators don't have any signs of these little specks.  I will keep an
eye on them.  Thanks for all the help.  This has been a real education.

The other good news is the cylinder that had 75 pounds compression now has
145.  :)  WooHoo!


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4




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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:03:06 -0500
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Torsens


At 09:51 AM 2/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>If this story is saying that no matter how long he kept power to it, one
>wheel would spin and the other not then I am not understanding this system
>correctly:-)

Yes, with two wheels in the air, the two tires in the air will
spin.  E-brake application puts a little torque on the spinning wheels, the
non spinning wheels gets 3x the amount of power burned up in the brake. (I
am pretty sure Audi Torsens are 3:1 bias) and the car pulls forward.

Here's the web site for the Torsen paper:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~audidudi/Torsen.htm


George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD
gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:56:03 EST
Subject: Re: ALLERT//RIPPED OFF


In a message dated 2/18/2001 7:40:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
theoconnors mindspring.com writes:

<< Darrell, would you consider going to Vestal also! >>

Id need to pwn a Geo to afford the gas!!!

Darrell

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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Brake lines
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:16:13 -0800


I'll take it one level further....NEVER USE COMPRESSION FITTING IN BRAKE
LINES, EVER!!!!  They use double flares because the average brake line has
to withstand well over 1000 PSI in a hard stop.  The double flare actually
only gives you a better seal, not necessarily more strength but it's there
due to the pressure in any case.  A compression fitting will pop loose on a
panic stop.  These are low pressure connections, not suitable for brake or
any other hydraulic application.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> > Is it wise to splice the line with a compression
> >
>
> I am not sure where your from but in NY it is illegal to use compression
> fittings in the brake lines.  Inspection Station won't pass it anymore.


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 360
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:31:22 -0800


The dizzy on FE's goes through the manifold.  If you have already loosened
the bolts to the manifold then it could have shifted enough to cause a lip
to develop that is caching the dizzy.  You may have to gently work it back
and forth and "Feel" for the spot where it will pull out.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>  I'm changing out the intake on a 360. The distributor is loose,
> and pulls up slightly
> but then hangs up. Is there a trick to getting them out?
> Shouldn't they just pull out
> like any other distributor?
>
> jeff


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Torsens
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:50:44 -0800


Well, if this is true then the OEM Traction Loc is far superior IMNSHO.
With 4 spiders this is probably the strongest Rear End you can put in and is
also the cheapest of the lot.  Guess that explains why the Hummers don't do
so well at the mud bogs, eh?  I've got a 4 spider Traction Loc that only
needs about $180 worth of replacement parts to work with my 31 spline axles.
I could have a locker in my bronco for $180.  As I understand it the Dana 44
Trac Loc's only have two spiders which is one reason they are somewhat
cheaper than the 9" versions.

The situation I described with two tires in the ditch and deep snow and two
on an icy road would give this locker fits I would say?  The friciton
lockers would pull you right on out of there, easily, especially if you
don't put in the stupid friction modifier junk.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Yes, with two wheels in the air, the two tires in the air will
> spin.  E-brake application puts a little torque on the spinning
> wheels, the
> non spinning wheels gets 3x the amount of power burned up in the
> brake. (I
> am pretty sure Audi Torsens are 3:1 bias) and the car pulls forward.


------------------------------

From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Brake lines
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:11:10 -0800


I buy 25' rolls of line now and run solid line, front to rear with no
splices when I replace a line.  For a quick emergency fix you could cut back
to good line, re-flare and add in a piece but use double flares, always.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> this may be off topic. A rear brake line has rusted through just a couple
> inches before the fitting. Is it wise to splice the line with a
> compression
> fitting, or should I just shorten the line, cut and re-flare?
>  Thanks,
>
> Jason Kendrick


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From: "Jeffrey Bennett" <jmb40 amexol.net>
Subject: Re: 360
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:21:40 -0500


I haven't loosened to intake yet?


----- Original Message -----
From: GaryBBB <gpeters3 lni.net>
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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:31 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 360


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>
> The dizzy on FE's goes through the manifold.  If you have already loosened
> the bolts to the manifold then it could have shifted enough to cause a lip
> to develop that is caching the dizzy.  You may have to gently work it back
> and forth and "Feel" for the spot where it will pull out.
>
> --
> Happily Retired (but broke)
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> --
>
> >  I'm changing out the intake on a 360. The distributor is loose,
> > and pulls up slightly
> > but then hangs up. Is there a trick to getting them out?
> > Shouldn't they just pull out
> > like any other distributor?
> >
> > jeff
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Number 3 has died....
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:51:00 -0800

Many of you probably already saw the news but Dale Earnhardt lost his life
today while running in third at Daytona.  The accident looked no worse than
thousands of others I've seen where the driver walked away but this time it
was....worse.  He was my son's favorite driver.  What a shame :-(

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 360
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:10:29 -0800


Ok, can you turn it easily?  When you pull up on it does it rotate easily up
to some point and get tight?  Does it move up and down easily but hit
something solid at some point like a lip?  Was it running before you started
to tear it down?  Did you have oil pressure?

If it turns hard then it could be buildup on the bottom of the dizzy housing
and you will just have to twist and pull til it comes out.  If it turns
easily but won't move upward then the gear could be hanging up in the cam or
the pump shaft could be hanging it up but I've never seen this happen before
without the shaft being twisted to a pretzel.  Other than the mismatching of
the intake manifold with the block (In FE's only) the only thing that could
be holding it up is if the cam gear has been traumatized and the gears won't
separate.  I've seen this on the 335 series engines.  Once you have it out
about 1" or so the bottom of the shaft is clear of the block and you should
be able to move it side to side to clear any of these obstacles.  I hope you
realize it's hard to advise without actually being there......

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I haven't loosened to intake yet?


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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:09:47 EST
Subject: Re: 360


In a message dated 2/18/01 5:49:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, jmb40 amexol.net
writes:

<< Shouldn't they just pull out
like any other distributor? >>

Yes, they should.  Keep working at it, it will come out.  Keep twisting and
pulling.

Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:10:49 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann <herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Re: ALLERT//RIPPED OFF



Tim,  Miller Obsolete Parts is an Individual that runs his own Obsolete
Parts business. There are many dealers like him out there. Other popular
names are Dale King Obsolete Parts, John T. Wesley Obsolete Parts, Bruce
Foley Obsolete Parts, Roger & Gary Allison Truck Parts, Brad Ivey's Antique
Parts, Ward Vanderhoff Obsolete & Outdated Parts, Wayne DeBlock "Emblems",
Ed Bennett Ford Parts, Green Sales,  Paul Perry Parts, JST Automotive &
NOS-Only are just to name a few.

Many of these guys work out of their garage and sell through large Swap
Meets and magazine & Internet advertising. Others like Green Sales can be a
huge operation with Reps all over the Country buying dealers old stock for
pennies on the dollar and reselling them twice and three times there value.
They can be a great source for them really hard to find obsolete parts,
but they are often VERY EXPENSIVE!!

Most of the guys I listed have been around selling for several years and
chances of being ripped-off from them are small. However, due to their
pricing programs I strongly recommend checking all the regular sources
before buying from them.  Start with running the Ford Part Number through
your dealer first just to see if they can still order it. If not, have them
run it through there National Parts Locater to see if any other dealer has
the item in stock. If still no luck try the larger Catalog suppliers such
as Autokrafters, Dennis Carpentar or LMC for NOS or reproduction parts.
Another great place is FTE's Classified's or even drop us a line here on
the LIST to see if any readers have the part your looking for. Afterall,
were all here to help each other out!

Good Luck!!

Dan Herrmann
1964 F100 Custom Cab
1966 F100 Custom Cab
1969 F100 Ranger
1975 F150 Explorer
1979 F150 Ranger XLT
1992 F150 Custom (daily driver)
1992 Tempo GL (wifes car)









At 10:35 AM 2/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Group,
>
>I have the same problem.  I ordered a shaft and it was
>the wrong one.  I sent it back and now I can't get the correct one or the
>money back.  Also, it was supposed to be NOS and it had signs of use.
>Is anyone near or going to Vestal NY near Binghamton just off I17.
>The name of the outfit is:
>
>   Miller Obsolete Parts
>
>   1329 Campus Dr
>
>   Vestal, NY 13850
>
>   1-800-546-7278
>
>Tim 66F100
>


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From: "jason merritt" <jasonfmerritt mmcable.com>
Subject: Number 3
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:01:00 -0600

It was a sad day to hear of the passing of Dale he was a hell of a competetor too bad he drove a cheby. A sad day for motorsports!


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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:15:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Sullivan <trendsetter4life yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Number 3


it is still unbelevable that he is gone...the wreck looked like nothign and i turned
of the tv when i say the finish figured he was ok after that huge crash earlier that
everyone walked away from ya know...it is a sad day anytime anyone is lost and for
someone of his magnatude ya know...it is a big loss and i am sure he will be greatly
missed


chris sullivan
1992 Jeep Wrangler
1979 F-150 4x4

=====
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From: "jason merritt" <jasonfmerritt mmcable.com>
Subject: 390 intake finished
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:57:39 -0600

Thank you all for all of your help I have transformed my 390 2 barrel to a 390 4 barrel with an edlebrock 600 cfm carb on top getting everything to go right was a challenge but I got it with everybodys help. I made out better than the guy in the stall next to me at the base hobby shop he rebuilt a 6 cylinder motor out of a 59 Bel Air after he had it all together it sounded horrible, there was something seriously knocking. I felt bad after all of the work he put in but obviously he did not have help like what is on this site. Thank you everybody for your help,
Jason



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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: 390 intake finished
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:25:08 -0600


Jason, after you've run the motor a few times, re-check the intake manifold
bolts. My 390 has a habit of "loosening" the intake manifold bolts after a
few days of driving.

Jason


------------------------------

From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Number 3 has died....
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:39:07 -0800


> Many of you probably already saw the news but Dale Earnhardt
> lost his life
> today while running in third at Daytona.  The accident looked
> no worse than
> thousands of others I've seen where the driver walked away
> but this time it
> was....worse.  He was my son's favorite driver.  What a shame :-(
>
> --
> Happily Retired (but broke)
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary

I've noticed that as well.  You get the spectacular crashes with cars flying
through the air and cartwheeling down the track and no one gets hurt.  Then
someone has what looks like a comparitively tame crash with the wall and
they don't make it.  There was very little damage behind the front fenders
of Dale's car.  It looked like the driver's compartment was undamaged.  When
Adam Petty died the pictures I saw looked like he had a glancing blow to the
wall.  Driver's side of the car looked pretty clean.

Dale was a very talented driver and had much success doing something he
loved.  I was not one of his fans, but I never wanted to see him die on the
track.

My wife tells me that the NASCAR president has suggested that NASCAR fans
turn on their headlights when driving today as a show of sympathy for the
Earnhardt family.

Tom H.

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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 360
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:39:08 -0800


Here's a question that probably goes in my file of good ideas that just
won't work.;-)  Could you go ahead and pull the manifold with the dizzy
still in. then flip it over, remove the sludge buildup and then the dizzy
from the manifold?  Or would this damage the dizzy shaft or the cam?

Just wondering.

Tom H.

> The dizzy on FE's goes through the manifold.  If you have
> already loosened
> the bolts to the manifold then it could have shifted enough
> to cause a lip
> to develop that is caching the dizzy.  You may have to gently
> work it back
> and forth and "Feel" for the spot where it will pull out.
>
> --
> Happily Retired (but broke)
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> --
>
> >  I'm changing out the intake on a 360. The distributor is loose,
> > and pulls up slightly
> > but then hangs up. Is there a trick to getting them out?
> > Shouldn't they just pull out
> > like any other distributor?
> >
> > jeff
>
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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 390 intake finished
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:39:07 -0800


>
> Jason, after you've run the motor a few times, re-check the
> intake manifold
> bolts. My 390 has a habit of "loosening" the intake manifold
> bolts after a
> few days of driving.
>
> Jason
>

Does it do this once or do you have to check the bolts every couple of days?

Tom H.

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From: "Stephen Brown" <snoopy1 ford-trucks.net>
Subject: Re: 360
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:14:19 -0800

Jeffrey,
   Mine did the same thing last time I pulled it out. I just ended up twisting
it (or turning it) back and forth while pulling upward and after awhile it popped out.

Also, make sure you mark the position of the rotor, (if you haven't already)
The first (and last) time I didn't mark it, I ended up putting the distributor in
180 deg. off.   I didn't realize how big a flame you get out of a slightly flooded carb!
(Hey, I was young and driving a ch*vy truck then............:-)

Stephen Brown

71' F250   "Baby"
68' F100  (project)
94' Ranger Supercab 4.0


>From: "Jeffrey Bennett" <jmb40 amexol.net>
>Subject: 360
>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:44:32 -0500

>I'm changing out the intake on a 360. The distributor is loose, and pulls up slightly
>but then hangs up. Is there a trick to getting them out? Shouldn't they just pull out ....


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