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61-79-list Digest Sat, 06 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 005

In This Issue:
Re: Pigeon Forge Dates (5/17-20)
Re: Truck won't turn off!
Re: Pigeon Forge 2001
Re: Truck won't turn off!
Re: Rust free bed wanted
Re: Those little plastic thingies.
Re: Pigeon Forge 2001
Re: Truck won't turn off!
Re: gas tank options
Factory gear ratio '76
Re: Truck won't turn off!
NP435 in p;ace of FOMOCO 3sp
Good wrenches near Portland, Or
Re: Relays and alternator voltage
Re: gas tank options
ADMIN: 2001 Supernationals Info
Re: CLUB Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Pressure Regulator
Re: Pressure Regulator
Re: Good wrenches near Portland, Or
Re: Good wrenches near Portland, Or

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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:32:57 -0800
From: Tim Bowman <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Dates (5/17-20)


The dates are May 17-20, 2001.  I, too, got frustrated trying to find
them on the PF website.  Check out this website and click on the
Supernationals link for terrific pictures of PF 2000:

www.f100fever.com

He's also got lots of links and pictures of his truck under contruction.

BTW, I've got my plane tickets (FF redemption), so I'm planning to go
for the first time to get ideas for my recently acquired '56 F100.

--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman qwest.net
Website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
  (Pacific NW Carshow Information & more)

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From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: Re: Truck won't turn off!
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:35:25 -0700


It sounds more like the switch to me.  Just where I would start with the
guessing.

> Truck is running, but when I turn the key to the off position, and even
> pull it out, the truck keeps running.  The only way I can kill the engine
> is to disconnect the battery.  Are there some obvious/normal fixes to this
> issue?  Starter relay?



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From: "Brian Forbes" <rbforbes ro.com>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge 2001
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:26:53 -0600

The show has always been held on the third weekend in May. I unfortunately missed last years show, I spent the weekend playing paintball in Florida. Thank goodness I got my priorities straightened out.

Brian Forbes
Huntsville, Ala.

65 F100 240 3spd
65 F100 Camper Special 352 4spd
66 F100 Stepside 302 C6


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Truck won't turn off!
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:51:19 -0500


HI
YES the relay could be your problem i have had this happen to me a few times
myself and have had it turn out to be corroded terminals on the starter to
WHY i dont know tho BUT its worth a try and these are a cheap repair to
gordon

----- Original Message -----
From: Kourtney Ray de Haas <kourt uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Truck won't turn off!


>
> Truck is running, but when I turn the key to the off position, and even
> pull it out, the truck keeps running.  The only way I can kill the engine
> is to disconnect the battery.  Are there some obvious/normal fixes to this
> issue?  Starter relay?
>
> Keeping the 1/2" wrench on the keyring,
>
> Kourtney de Haas
> Austin, TX
> 1970 F100 360
>
>
>
>
>



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From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:18:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Rust free bed wanted


Dave- try contacting Jerry Heap in Oklahoma. I've bought parts from him
up here in Indiana and he'll deliver if it's not too far. He comes up to
the midwest for swaps and meets anyway. Might drop him a line.  <
partsman1 hotmail.com >
I don't really know what a nice bed would cost, but I'd imagine over
$1000 ??   Later, Phil
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~
> > I need some help finding a rust free bed or just one in good shape
for a project I am working on.
> >  The bed I am looking for is a 1978 standard 8 foot with the dual
fuel doors.
> >  PLEASE HELP Thanks, David Wild
>

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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:39:13 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Those little plastic thingies.


I have 2 very nice doors with good hinges that will go on the truck come spring.  Most of the hinges I have seen have been in very bad shape.

Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco.
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>
>
> Look in the help aisle at your local auto parts store.  They sell kits with a
> new pin and new brass bushings to make your hinges like new.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
>


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge 2001
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:42:14 -0800


Yeah, they changed it! :-(  Used to have a nice link page to a calander of
the whole year.  I just sent them a note about this and asked for them to
restore the old calander setup :-)

It always starts on Thursday and ends on Sunday so the third week of May (as
someone else pointed out) would be.....the 17th through the 20th but that's
just a guess.

I believe Pat Ford has a site also and he would certainly have the dates on
his site.  Try Fseries or Supernats or some such in a browser or even
PatFord etc....I know Ken has this info, Ken?

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I have looked on the website several times......can not find the dates.
> Anyone know the dates??


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Truck won't turn off!
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:54:29 -0800


The start solenoid only controls the starter, it can't keep the engine
running unless the starter is also running (which does happen, see below
:-)) because the red 12v ignition wire is energized at the same time with
the same contact as the starter.  The most likely source of this trouble is
the ignition switch itself or a shorted ignition wire somewhere which would
also cause a short on the battery so your battery would be draining over
night etc. in that case too.  Any other kind of short would also be affected
by the ignition switch so can be ruled out.

If you have duraspark ignition then the module can short internally and
cause the start relay to stay energized which also keeps the engine running
but the starter is also running.  My 460 was noisy enough that I didn't
notice the starter was still running for some time and I drove it at speed
with the stater engaged :-(  Ford starters are VERY tough but there are
limits.....This was a tricky troubleshoot for me but I learned a lot from
the experience.  When the starter refused to operated I had to dig deeper
and, with the use of a multimeter discovered the "bleed over" voltage on the
12v side of the module which backfed the start relay enough to keep it
engaged once energized.  Wierder things have happened but......

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Truck is running, but when I turn the key to the off position, and even
> pull it out, the truck keeps running.  The only way I can kill the engine
> is to disconnect the battery.  Are there some obvious/normal fixes to this
> issue?  Starter relay?


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: gas tank options
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:01:01 -0800


Virtually any rear tank will work but you have to make up some straps to
support it.  Most truck frames have a 34" space between them and most rear
tanks are made to fit that space, roughly 34 x 34".  I used a 75 van tank on
my 78 but the older trucks may have a slightly different spacing so measure
it.  The tricky part is to find one with a fill tube facing in the right
direction and roughly located in the right place to be accessable through
the rear quarter area.  In my case the fill door was already there but the
tank was rotted out so it was fairly simple.

Side tanks hold more gas, are inherently safer for the passengers (if
mounted inside the frame rails) and may be easier to install but they
require the brackets which you can get at any junk yard I'm sure.
Fortunately brakets are brakets are brackets (as long as you have to drill
the holes anyway) so it should be easy to find some that will work for you.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I would like to get the fuel tank out of the cab of my 66 F250.
> I'm getting
> some fumes in the cab, and it just doesn't seem like a really
> great spot for
> gasoline anyway.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Factory gear ratio '76
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:11:21 -0600

Bruce M. writes:  >>  Does anyone know what the factory installed gears (ratio) would be for a
1976 F-100 4x4? ( 360/C6 NP205 )<<

My '76 F150 4X4 had 3.50's.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Truck won't turn off!
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:17:28 -0500





>
> The start solenoid only controls the starter, it can't keep the engine
> running unless the starter is also running (which does happen
======================================================
Well i,ve had it happen to me that it kept the engine running
when i replced the solonoid i had no more trouble then and the starter wasnt
turning either
gordon



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: NP435 in p;ace of FOMOCO 3sp
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:28:25 -0600

Thom B. writes:  >>So, time has come to swap transmissions.  <<

Only thing you did not mention that may be  (but may not be)  a problem
is that there is a possiblity that the input shafts are not the same size
and /or spline, so you may need a clutch disc.  Not a major problem in
most cases but you wanted to know the possibilities...
.
Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Jeff Norville" <jeff_norville hotmail.com>
Subject: Good wrenches near Portland, Or
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:55:35 -0800


Howdy:

Now that I'm settled in Portland - and barely beat a heater core replacement
to our first ice storm - I'm looking for good local shops.  I have perpetual
clutch problems, a leaky radiator, and what appears to be a malfunctioning
choke on a new carb.  There's plenty of body work in the future as well.

I know there are plenty of you in the NW; I'd appreciate your tips.  If it's
more appropriate to email me directly rather than post to the list:
jeff_norville hotmail.com.

Thanks.

Jeff
79 Bronco 400M NP435 & a heater...

PS - If anyone should ever find themselves faced with a heater core repair
on a 79 FT with an *aftermarket* AC system, drop me a line; the manual does
not help.
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From: "Erik Marquez" <bronco78 alaska.com>
Subject: Re: Relays and alternator voltage
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:29:34 -0900


Got the relay page up a few days ago. I might add to it if the need is
there.
But in any case, take a look and hopefully it will help explain what I was
trying to describe to you.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.gci.net/~bronco78/tech.htm

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal
-----Original Message-----
From: G & J Boling <flash1 alltel.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Relays and alternator voltage


>
>Thanks ERIC
>first chance i get i want to try this on my 88 mercury lights and my 69
>truck also IF i ever get it finished
>gordon
>
>
>


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From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: gas tank options
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:07:21


Check out the FTE Tech Articles if I remember right there it a tech article
about gas tanks in there.



Chris Worley
67 F100


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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:19:37 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 2001 Supernationals Info


If you have any interest in 1948-1979 F-series trucks, the
2001 Supernationals is THE place to go to. Over 800 trucks
in the show each year, plus hundreds more parked all over
the strip. Vendors, hundreds of awards, model car and truck
exhibit, t-shirts, tech shows and a great parade with about
2 miles of Effies!

The show is at the Grand Hotel and Convention center in
Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. You can book at room at any of the
many hotels around town or camp in the nearby Smokey Mountains.
There is a trolley/bus system so getting around town is easy.
Lots of fun things to do, Dollywood, the Smokey Mountains,
rides, outlet mails, craft centers, and much more. There is
something for the whole family.

The Grand Hotel can be contacted at:
3171 Parkway
Pigeon Forge, Tennessee 37863-3309
(865) 453-1000

Pat Ford Promotions can be contacted at:
1920 Council Avenue
Statesville, NC 28625
(704) 872-7327
Registrations should be sent to Pat Ford Promotions. Call or
write them to get a registration form.
Pre-registration for your truck: $20
Registration after April 15th: $25

Ford Truck Enthusiasts will be staying at the Howard Johnson.
The best reservation prices I've found was on www.expedia.com.
Every hotel listed near the Convention Center, are rated as
the same number of stars so price and location will be your
primary considerations.

The closest hotel to the Grand is the Holiday Inn.  It will
run about 30% more than the Howard Johnson's.  The HoJo is
within walking distance of the Grand (about 2 blocks).
The next hotel down the strip is the Days Inns.  It runs
slightly more than the HoJo and is further away from the Grand.

FTE stays at the HoJo when we reserve early.  Last year we
were at the Days Inn because we didn't reserve early enough.

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts





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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:22:03 -0700
From: "William (Tony) Whited" <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: CLUB Ford Truck Enthusiasts


Ken, can you let me know about my AFTE membership?  If there is nothing left I want to
join Club FTE and I'll do it online prop tomorrow.  Thanks You are doing a great job.

Ken Payne wrote:

> Tony,
>
> Your AFTE membership is fully transferable.  If you resigned with
> 6 months left, you get 6 months of Club FTE.  Just remind me in
> a couple of days and I'll get it set up.
>
> Ken
>
> At 02:01 PM 1/2/01, you wrote:
>
> >Ken, I belonged to AFTE, but I think my one membership ended when I had to resign
> >for my new e-mail account.  Just checking with you 1st.
> >
> >--
> >William (Tony) Whited
> >74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
> >77 F150 Custom 460
> >El Paso, TX
> >Semper Fi

--
William (Tony) Whited
74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi



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From: "John H. Bryson, Jr." <jbryson intrex.net>
Subject: Pressure Regulator
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:21:39 -0500


I have a '73 F-250 with a 360 engine. There is a pressure regulator in the fuel line just before the carb. All of a sudden, the darn thing has started leaking.
Is there a fix for this?
What would make it start leaking after so many years?
Why is this pressure regulator necessary?
Thanks
John Bryson

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Pressure Regulator
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:33:13 -0600


John, pressure regulators are sometimes used when a high pressure
aftermarket fuel pump is used. Sometimes the excess pressure will be strong
enough to get past the needle and seat, even if the bowl is full. Try
bypassing the regulator and go for a test drive to see if there are any
problems.

Jason Kendrick



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From: "Shelley Batty" <shelba molalla.net>
Subject: Re: Good wrenches near Portland, Or
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:16:43 -0800


Mac's radiator shops seem to have about the best prices around.  Most of the
other shops get their radiator and heater cores from Mac's.  For other work,
there is an independent mechanic I know, Scott Duncan, who is really good,
but has some health problems that keep him from doing a lot of work.  I can
get you a phone number if you want.  He has a buddy that does some pretty
top-notch body work.

And, welcome to the area. I'm in Molalla, a little south and east of
Portland. If you like to four wheel that bronco, check out the Oregon
Bushhackers.  Our mailing list is on e-groups, and I believe there is a link
to our web site as well.  Great bunch of folks, all rigs are welcome.

HTH

Thom Batty
66 F250 Utility

-----Original Message-----

Howdy:

Now that I'm settled in Portland - and barely beat a heater core replacement
to our first ice storm - I'm looking for good local shops.  I have perpetual
clutch problems, a leaky radiator, and what appears to be a malfunctioning
choke on a new carb.  There's plenty of body work in the future as well.

I know there are plenty of you in the NW; I'd appreciate your tips.  If it's
more appropriate to email me directly rather than post to the list:
jeff_norville hotmail.com.

Thanks.

Jeff
79 Bronco 400M NP435 & a heater...



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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 10:14:43 -0800
From: "Kenneth Whitman" <kennyw brightwood.com>
Subject: Re: Good wrenches near Portland, Or


"Oregon Bushhackers" is this correct?  I cant find the group searching egroups.  I am located in Central Oregon and interested in the group.

Kenny

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