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61-79-list Digest Tue, 13 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 047

In This Issue:
Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm
Re: 33X12.50-15 Tire Source?
Re: 64 F100 steering column
Re: garages
It lives !!!!!!!!
F-250's, fantasies...
Re: F-250's, fantasies...
Re: garages
Re: F-250's, fantasies...
Re: garages
Re: F-250's, fantasies...
Paint code
Blue Bird Bus
another 2x4 to 4x4 swap idea...
fuel sending unit
390 intake sludge & carbon
Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm happy?!
Re: 390 intake sludge & carbon
Re: Blue Bird Bus
brake drums
Re: 390 intake sludge & carbon
Re: 390 intake sludge & carbon
Re: another 2x4 to 4x4 swap idea...
New Ford 9"
Re: changing 390 intake
Re: New Ford 9"
Re: changing 390 intake
Re: New Ford 9"

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:26:50 -0500
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm


>David you have fun changing that starter in that new garage it's great being
>out of the weather when working on your truck.  The first couple of times you
>won't know how to handle it you are half expecting that cold breeze to blow
>under that the truck and trying to prepare yourself for it.  Being from
>upstate NY accross the river from Brockville I know what you mean by the cold.

I have done it all too many times out in the driveway at -40 degrees
Celsius (damn cold!). The top starter bolt wouldn't come off on the 6
cylinder in my first truck. I had to use a Dremel (it was all I had!) to
cut the head off the bolt. Even then I lie across the engine compartment
and keep cutting away at the last bits of metal before I could finally get
the starter out. (The whole time in freezing cold weather - hat, mitts,
scarf, winter boots (God bless Sorels!), et al. I finally got the starter
out and reached in there to figure out how I was going to get the rest of
the bolt out of the bellhousing and the blasted thing come out with my
fingers!

I fixed a leaking wheel cylinder in the freezing cold (if it's going to
break, that's when it does it - never on the mild day!) and had my fingers
numb to the bone from some mighty chilly brake fluid! Rebuilt most of my
truck's 302 in the middle of winter, but I had bought myself one of those
heaters that attaches to a regular propane barbecue tank which helped with
that! But just about any job sucks when you're lying in the snow in the
driveway with a cold wind blowing over you and of course it gets dark at
5:00pm so you're struggling with a flashlight. Now my debate is just
whether I should do the job on a weeknight or wait until Saturday - by the
time the garage heats up to t-shirt and shorts temperature  it'll be too
late in the evening and I'll want to fall asleep on the couch. :-) I think
I'll wait until Saturday then I can put the new heater unit into the other
truck - the fan motor sticks on something so I kept using the snow brush to
smack the heater unit until the fan motor would stop screaming. It worked
but I eventually added another "vent" to the unit where the brush cracked
the plastic. So the motor still screams, the air blasts everywhere but
where I want it, etc. Guess it's time I broke down and installed the
replacement I got last fall from the junkyard. My excuse for not changing
it back then was that I figured I'd be able to drive the 4x4 all winter
long without it croaking on me. Go figure. :-)

Looking forward to Saturday and doing some enjoyable truck maintenance in
comfort. I've only had the house for 5 days and I have boxes of parts
scattered all across the garage but my truck buddy dropped off his old
couch and TV for the garage. Heck, I have my barbecue sitting in there too.
I can relax on the couch, watch TV, grill a steak AND fix the truck in the
same place. Does it get any better!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:29:58 -0500
From: Joe <shoman p3.net>
Subject: Re: 33X12.50-15 Tire Source?


What about retreads???there cheap and in the back of petersons 4x4 mag..
I have used retreads on a mustang with NO problems whatsoever(and this was a
5.0)so i would go that way $50 bucks a tire
joe

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> >Anybody know a place to get reasonably priced 33" tires? Reasonably priced
> >is a euphemism for *cheap*.  I need four good tires to dress up a truck I'm
> >going to immediately sell. It has 31" with fairly good tread now, but
> >they're kinda dry rotted and have a tendency to deflate. I'd feel a lot
> >more comfortable sending it down the road with better tires, plus I believe
> >the cost can be offset by an increase in the sale price with good rubber.
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From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:49:22 EST
Subject: Re: 64 F100 steering column

In a message dated 2/12/2001 11:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tim-pam williams-net.com writes:


> Do you know anyone with an old chiltons  repair manual ?  They usually go
> into pretty good detail on everything.
> -----Original Message-----
>

Chiltons only goes back to 65 but it may have it .


Steve           64   f-100



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From: "Tim Bowman" <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Re: garages
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:10:52 -0800


When looking for a new house, don't underestimate finding a home with enough
property to build the "dream" garage (meaning the biggest one you can
afford) that you'd like.

About 7 years ago, my wife and I did just that.  We found a home that both
of us were very comfortable with (a 1 owner home built in 1959) located on
1/2 acre.  One year after purchasing it, I built a 24 x 40 2 story
gambrel-roofed shop 120 feet out behind the house.  The lower floor has 9
1/2 foot ceilings (1 1/2 foot cement walls with 8 foot wood studs.  I did
all of the work myself except for installing the garage doors and the cement
floor.  It turned out pretty neat.  I scavenged all sorts of flourescent
lighting from a hotel that was being remodelled.  Installed many electrical
circuits including ones for the 220v welder, compressor, etc.  Now it's home
to my Mustang, Galaxie, and F100's.  The '56 is about to go in for a Mustang
II clip.

Hope this helps,

Tim Bowman
tkbowman qwest.net
website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
(Pacific NW Carshow information & more)


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From: "Erik Marquez" <bronco78 alaska.com>
Subject: It lives !!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:59:45 -0900


The Black Horse (dont laugh, Cody, my son named it on the return trip from
the Broncofest CO) is
once again alive.  First 10 minutes of cam run in is complete, letting it
cool down and check for leaks, add coolant, ect ect.  Next up is a few
seconds of idle to set the timing, then another 30 min of cam break in.
Then the test drive :-) Darn nice to have the bronco back up and running,
and since it is not a complete new motor, after cam break in, it's allplay,
no babying :-)


Erik Marquez, no longer bronco-less
bronco78 alaska.com
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Home of the BB decal





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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: F-250's, fantasies...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:09:53 -0800

Well there's a F-250 for sale in Tecumseh for $1500.  Been waiting for this
opportunity but have decided I want a 350 so will pass it up.  Got the 203
transfer case but have no clue what shape it's in....saw it in the paper.  I
have the cash but don't want to be hasty :-)  I really want the HD stuff.
Since I'm retired and don't plan to do any off roading that requires any
special equipment I will probably wait for the right F-350 4x4 to come along
and sell off all my other trucks.  This will give me a truck I can
conpletely fill the bed with stone and haul 70 mph down the eway with it
with no worries and I can stick the plow on it and plow til the cows come
home.  I really like the bronco but since my wife can't ride in it I don't
really have any more use for it.  I've decided that an F-350, 4x4 with 460
will fulfill all my truck fantasies as well as handling any job I can throw
at it :-)  Not sure where I will start paring down to make room for it and
the bronco may well be the last to go (if it goes) but I definetly have to
"Exchange" something for any new additions :-)  Unfortunately that cash also
has about 100 other places it needs to go.........

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: F-250's, fantasies...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:16:28 -0500


bye bye to the 79 bronco?.!. I dread the day I decide to do the same to one
of mine.  But a 79 F-350 wouldn't be a bad compromise.

-bob-
79 Bronco 460 44's T18
79 Bronco 400 40's C6

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Well there's a F-250 for sale in Tecumseh for $1500.  Been waiting for this
opportunity but have decided I want a 350 so will pass it up.  Got the 203
transfer case but have no clue what shape it's in....saw it in the paper.  I
have the cash but don't want to be hasty :-)  I really want the HD stuff.
Since I'm retired and don't plan to do any off roading that requires any
special equipment I will probably wait for the right F-350 4x4 to come along
and sell off all my other trucks.  This will give me a truck I can
conpletely fill the bed with stone and haul 70 mph down the eway with it
with no worries and I can stick the plow on it and plow til the cows come
home.  I really like the bronco but since my wife can't ride in it I don't
really have any more use for it.  I've decided that an F-350, 4x4 with 460
will fulfill all my truck fantasies as well as handling any job I can throw
at it :-)  Not sure where I will start paring down to make room for it and
the bronco may well be the last to go (if it goes) but I definetly have to
"Exchange" something for any new additions :-)  Unfortunately that cash also
has about 100 other places it needs to go.........

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: garages
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:27:37 -0800


Does it have an apron?  Mine is also level with the ground but has a tapered
apron which makes all the difference I think.  I still get a little water in
the area around the door but not much.  The "Professional" who poured my
floor did a really rotten job of leveling the cement under the doors.  There
is about 1.5" of arch in it which makes the ends stay up off the floor so
the rubber seals do no good.  Some day I will take a grinder to it and
flatten in out and re-glaze it for a better fit.  I really believe I could
have poured the floor with better results than he did.

If you feel that raising the floor is the only option you better do some
research on how to make the new concrete stick well to the old.  The floor
will have to be absolutely free of any oil soaked in and etched with
Muriatic acid etc...Even then a thin coating may still peel after some time.
Perhaps you could only elevate the area where the door closes to, both raise
it above ground level and get a better seal on the doors.  If you are
talking with doors open, don't hold your breath, I still have to close the
doors when it rains or get wet :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> However when the
> rain comes off the roof it splashes in front of the garage doors
> and ends up
> running into the garage.  Makes working on my truck a bummer.  I've tried
> putting a gutter in the ground and drain in front of the doors and it has
> helped some.  I am considering rain gutters on the eaves but am afraid the
> definitive solution will be to pour more concrete to raise the floor.
>
> Any other ideas guys?
>
> Tom H.


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: F-250's, fantasies...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:28:38 -0800


Sorry, a 78, F-250 :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Well there's a F-250 for sale in Tecumseh for $1500.  Been


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: garages
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:36:23 -0800


As long as we are dreaming, add $5000 to the cost of your shop and stick in
a Rotary, two post lift like I did.  It only hurts for a little while and
you can buy your wife that fancy engagement ring to offset your expenditures
to show you are not a selfish man :-)  This requires a 12' ceiling minimum
though for trucks and vans won't go all the way up even then, you have to
stop early or hit the trusses.  Trust me, if you ever do this you will
never, ever look back and every time you have to work on your truck you will
smile:-)  BTW, this lift is designed to be retrofitted to buildings with
floors already poured by cutting a 2' x 8' hole, excavating and simply
dropping it in and back filling with pea stone so they are pretty versatile.
Don't do this if you have a known water table problem though.  I know a guy
who did and it cost him a small fortune to backfill it, kept washing out.

--
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Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Gary
>
> I like the sounds of your shop and it's alot like my dreams (only
>
> George M in Fl.


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: F-250's, fantasies...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:45:37 -0800


Yeah, the bronco is pretty cool but has limited use for me now that I'm not
working any more.  There's no place to wheel legally here either so it just
"Cool" to have but now it's a luxury.  I really liked my 62 F-600 too but
what good it is now that I'm not cutting wood any more? (still think about
it though :-))  The 350 OTOH will fullfill all my needs in one truck.  I
have the Aerostar for hauling people :-)  It's not for sure but it may get
caught in the fray before it's over :-)  I still have this silly idea that
some day I might get out to Moab to try my luck on the rocks but that's just
a pipe dream due to my wife's condition.  I won't go without her and she
couldn't handle the trip.  Last time I hauled a 2 ton load of stone with my
F-150 I dedided that it would be traded ASAP for a F-350 and I'm only
interested in the 4x4 version in trucks any more :-)  Might as well have it
all rolled into one vehicle, eh? :-)

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Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> bye bye to the 79 bronco?.!. I dread the day I decide to do the
> same to one
> of mine.  But a 79 F-350 wouldn't be a bad compromise.
>
>  -bob-
> 79 Bronco 460 44's T18
> 79 Bronco 400 40's C6


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:01:47 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: Paint code


Steve:  Book shows a code of V on the plate   with a MJ-30 code of
1024
this out of a64 Shop Manual.

FWIW    Al

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From: WhtsUpDoc2 aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:07:11 EST
Subject: Blue Bird Bus

<I can even get my son's Blue Bird school bus in there to work on it and
close the doors.>

Your son has a blue bird school bus? Is it a project of some sort? Just
wonderin : )

Jason Warner
Yukon, Oklahoma
1989 F-350 XLT Lariat Crew Cab 4x4 7.3 L Diesel 5 Speed
1978 F-250 Custom 460 V8 C-6
1976 F-150 Ranger XLT 390 V8 C-6
1955 F-600 Custom 292 V8 4 Speed



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:24:39 EST
Subject: another 2x4 to 4x4 swap idea...


Hey folks, I was lookin in the new Petersons 4 wheel & offroad the other day,
and they had an article for cross over steering for Dana 60 axles, and a
great idea dawned on me.  They are using an arm off the top of the passenger
side spindle to relocate the drag link to above the leaf springs.  I was
thinking that a similar arm, pointed to the rear, would allow me to use my
stock 2wd box on a solid axle.  and it would be high enough that the pinion
and driveshaft clearances would not be a problem.  Id stick with the stock
tie rod assy. in front of the axle that connects the left and right spindles
to complete the steering.  I was then thinking that I could connect this axle
to my truck via F-150 Radius arms, and my stock coil perches, by installing
enough lift (via custom springs) to allow decent movement of the suspension
below the crossmember.  I could also use this cross member as a mounting
point for the track bar.  Im also figuring that 6-8 inches of lift up front,
and 3 in back (F-350s Really rake forward in stock form) would accomodate
this, and give me about the same height as a Hi-Boy.  Then Id run a nice set
of 36'' tires.  Mounting the transfer case would involve a lil fabrication,
as would the levers, but I think I could handle that ok.  I'd be mountin up
an NP205 of course.  Id also have to lower the bumpstops to the right height
to prevent the axle from hitin the cross member.  I've got the design worked
out in my head, and it honestly sounds crazy enough to work.  Any of you have
any input on the subject?  Anything I may have missed or failed to explain
how Id over come?  Im thinkin its feasable, and that with the combo I already
have (460, T-18, Dana 70 rear)  I could make this one NASTY truck that'd be
almost unstoppable.  All input is appreciated.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:55:13 -0500
From: "Brice Sample" <sampleb state.mi.us>
Subject: fuel sending unit


does anyone know if a fuel sending unit part no C8TF-9275-B will fit in a 1971 F-100 custom (in cab tank)?


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From: "jason merritt" <jasonfmerritt mmcable.com>
Subject: 390 intake sludge & carbon
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:43:38 -0600

Well I have pulled the intake off of my 390 and there is a big pile of sludge and carbon build up is there any suggestions on how to clean it up and should I find something to clean the oil passages?

Thank you,
Jason


1970 F-100  390


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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm happy?!
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:00:51 -0800


<snip>
>
> I have done it all too many times out in the driveway at -40 degrees
> Celsius (damn cold!). The top starter bolt wouldn't come off on the 6
> cylinder in my first truck.

I had to put a starter in my truck the other day and the sick thing is I
have a heated garage and I still did it on the ice in my drive.  (I knew I
could get it done faster than the garage would heat and if I decided to wait
till it was hot then all the snow in the bed and undercarriage would be
meltin on me.)

<snip>
> I'll wait until Saturday then I can put the new heater unit
> into the other
> truck - the fan motor sticks on something so I kept using the
> snow brush to
> smack the heater unit until the fan motor would stop
> screaming. It worked
> but I eventually added another "vent" to the unit where the
> brush cracked
> the plastic. So the motor still screams, the air blasts everywhere but
> where I want it, etc. Guess it's time I broke down and installed the
> replacement I got last fall from the junkyard. My excuse for
> not changing
> it back then was that I figured I'd be able to drive the 4x4
> all winter
> long without it croaking on me. Go figure. :-)
>

I had a howling blower motor too and I fixed mine with a new from FORD
blower motor.

> Looking forward to Saturday and doing some enjoyable truck
> maintenance in
> comfort. I've only had the house for 5 days and I have boxes of parts
> scattered all across the garage but my truck buddy dropped off his old
> couch and TV for the garage. Heck, I have my barbecue sitting
> in there too.
> I can relax on the couch, watch TV, grill a steak AND fix the
> truck in the
> same place. Does it get any better!
>
>
> David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
> "PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
> "PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
> "PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
> Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
>
>

Have fun.  The heated garage is worth its weight in unobtanium (that special
material some of our truck parts are made of):-).

Tom H.

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From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Re: 390 intake sludge & carbon
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:20:02 -0500


Drill out the rivets on the bottom, take the metal plate off, clean all of
that up, tap and replace the rivets with bolts.  I believe this is
documented well in Steve Christ's book on Rebuilding Ford Big Block
Engines....

We didn't do that on my engine rebuild, but we did on my Dad's and it makes
me sick anytime I think about the fact we didn't do it and all of that
sludge is floating around in there...

Ken
68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
88 Crown Victoria 5.0/Mustang AOD

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Well I have pulled the intake off of my 390 and there is a big pile of
sludge and carbon build up is there any suggestions on how to clean it up
and should I find something to clean the oil passages?

Thank you,
Jason


1970 F-100  390

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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Blue Bird Bus
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:23:02 -0800


It's their MIS, NASCAR trip bus.  Has a 8' x 24' deck on top with drunk (I
mean guard :-)) rails and everything :-)  Course they have to come down to
get it in the barn :-)  Complete with microwave, TV and Generator (mine) and
wired in sound (wires are all visable of course (they're just kids after all
:-))

--
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Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> <I can even get my son's Blue Bird school bus in there to work on it and
> close the doors.>
>
> Your son has a blue bird school bus? Is it a project of some sort? Just
> wonderin: )
>
> Jason Warner


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From: Jeff McCain <Jmccain servicetrends.com>
Subject: brake drums
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:26:06 -0500

Hello,  Does anyone have a front brake drum for a '63 F-100 they would like
to sell or know who has one? My drum has fallen into the boat anchor
catagory and needs to be replaced. While I am planning to upgrade to disc
brakes this summer I would like to try to avoid spending the $65.00 the
local parts store wants for a new one.

Thanks, Jeff
jmccain servicetrends.com


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 390 intake sludge & carbon
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:47:29 -0800


And the reason is that there is a hot spot in the bottom of the manifold
that actually gets nearly red hot at times which cokes the oil that is
splashed against it.  The metal plate is a "Splash" guard to reduce the
amount of oil that is coked.  The retainers are spiral threaded brads which
are hammered in and they can be "Pulled" out as well if you are careful.
Replacing with bolts is fine too and if the new brads go in too easily this
is the only option.

An option on the 460 which may not be available on the 390 is the full
valley pan.  Since the push rods go through the manifold it may not be
available for this application but it prevents "Any" oil from touching the
bottom of the manifold.  There are two camps on that:  On the one hand
having hot oil in the area and splashing on the manifold keeps it warmer for
better low end atomization and more efficient running at city driving
speeds.  On the other the manifold stays cooler for high speed work and
better volumetric efficiency for max power so pick your poison :-)

In any case you absolutley should not run without the splash guard on a
heated manifold, it will quickly ruin your oil and damage bearings with
sharp carbon shards etc....

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> We didn't do that on my engine rebuild, but we did on my Dad's
> and it makes
> me sick anytime I think about the fact we didn't do it and all of that
> sludge is floating around in there...
>
> Ken


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 390 intake sludge & carbon
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:50:37 -0800


You can buy brushes made for this and yes you should :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Well I have pulled the intake off of my 390 and there is a big
> pile of sludge and carbon build up is there any suggestions on
> how to clean it up and should I find something to clean the oil passages?
>
> Thank you,
> Jason


------------------------------

From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: another 2x4 to 4x4 swap idea...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:58:05 -0800


As I've said before I did a van once and it took me 3 months of fairly
dedicated labor (while still working full time) to get it done.  It did turn
out rather well and the van was alreads oriented correctly so the stock
steering box worked fine.  I would not do this again.  At the very least I
would find a chassis and build on it rather that try to re-invent the wheel
but I'm getting old and such projects don't amuse me any more :-)

OX already did the F-150 coil thing with a Dana 60 and it works (I'm sure
he'll chime in here) but you have to have some expertise with metal working
to do this kind of job and a flair for accurate measurments when cross
measuring your chassis for axle locations etc...

4x4 swaps are jobs for people who know their way around a welding shop and
also have a head for engineering.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--



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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: New Ford 9"
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:40:20 -0700


Ford guys,

I am pulling a ford 9" out a 73-77 F-100 to put in the rear of my CJ-7.
Would this be a 31 spline axle?  Or is it the 28 spline?  Also, anyone know
a place I can get prices on lockers and gears for this rear?

Thanks a lot!

Dan
86 CJ-7 (soon to have a 9")
67 Ford F-100 (also with a 9")

Daniel E. Beiers
Lead Drafter
Rocky Mountain Prestress
(303) 964-7103


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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: changing 390 intake
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:20:10


I have a couple thoughts to add.  When I did this swap, I ran into a coulple
small snags.  The thermostat was a different size (you should replace that
anyways), and the temp sender was a different size.  The intake to block
seals are the worst.  Some use a bead of silicone and let it dry, I used 3M
weatherstrip adhesive and glued the cork gaskets to the block (or they'll
move on you - BTDT), that worked vey well for me.  And I also strongly
suggest you get some strong help to get the manifold off - I'm told it
weighs about 85lbs, which sounds do-able, but try to lift it while leaning
over the front of a truck.  I did do it myself once, boy did I feel that in
the morning...I don't recommend it.

Hope all goes well.

Marty
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: New Ford 9"
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:39:18 -0800


My guess is 28 but not sure.  I know virtually all in 78 and after had the
31's in trucks but not necessarily cars or vans.

Reider Racing has decent pricing.  I did some research a while back and
found them to be about the most reasonable but others may have better
resources.  Summit has been the cheapest on virtually everything else I've
looked into.  What locker are you considering?  I'm really leaning toward
the Detroit soft locker but if the Torsen is the same price I will go that
way:-)  Don't know which truck I'll put it in yet but one will have a
locker before next winter for sure :-) (maybe two lockers :-))

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I am pulling a ford 9" out a 73-77 F-100 to put in the rear of my CJ-7.
> Would this be a 31 spline axle?  Or is it the 28 spline?  Also,
> anyone know
> a place I can get prices on lockers and gears for this rear?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Dan


------------------------------

From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: changing 390 intake
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:44:36 -0800


Many years ago, in a class I took it was mentioned that the vast majority of
back injuries in the mechanic trade were due to improperly lifting batteries
out of vehicles....same scenerio, leaning over too far with no support and
often Jerking on it in that position.  Batteries weigh about half what an FE
mainifold weighs and are less of a stretch.  If you have an engine
hoist.....use it :-)

The hoist does things for you even a strong helper can't allways do.  It
allows you to lower the manifold onto the gaskets without damaging them or
moving them out of place.  Try it, you'll never go back to doing it the hard
way:-)  Engine hoists are cheap and if you do this stuff often then you
should have one anyway :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> suggest you get some strong help to get the manifold off - I'm told it
> weighs about 85lbs, which sounds do-able, but try to lift it
> while leaning
> over the front of a truck.


------------------------------

From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: New Ford 9"
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:01:27 -0700


Gary,
I am considering a Detroit.  Never heard of a Torsen, what makes it more
desirable?

Were the 9"s on the 78 and newer trucks the same width as the older?  The
reason I ask is that according to my measurements this axles should be about
8" wider than my stock Jeep axle.  Many of the 9's I measured out in the
junkyard from different apps were wider.  I really want to stay within the
8" window (narrower would be better in fact)  Does anyone know for sure what
the wheel mounting surface to surface dimension is for the truck 9's both
pre and post 78?

Thanks for your prompt reply Gary,

Later,
Dan

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My guess is 28 but not sure.  I know virtually all in 78 and after had the
31's in trucks but not necessarily cars or vans.

Reider Racing has decent pricing.  I did some research a while back and
found them to be about the most reasonable but others may have better
resources.  Summit has been the cheapest on virtually everything else I've
looked into.  What locker are you considering?  I'm really leaning toward
the Detroit soft locker but if the Torsen is the same price I will go that
way:-)  Don't know which truck I'll put it in yet but one will have a
locker before next winter for sure :-) (maybe two lockers :-))

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
....


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