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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server <listar To: 61-79-list digest users <listar Reply-to: 61-79-list Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2001 #46 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== Serious help restoring and maintaining your Ford truck! ---------------------------------------------------------- Check out the following items in our online store: 1961-1979 Factory Service (Shop) Manuals on CD-ROM 1961-1967 Factory Service (Shop) Manuals (Printed) 1963-1967 Wiring Diagrams 1957-1972 Ford Truck Illustrated Facts and Features manuals 1963-1967 Ford factory Engine Assembly Manuals 1961-1970 Ford Truck Body, Trim and Interior Assembly/Disassembly manuals <a href="http://www.motorhaven.com/"> http://www.motorhaven.com/</a> ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Mon, 12 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001 Issue: 046 In This Issue: Re: Replacing 390 intake Re: POR-15 questions Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm happy?!?! Re: fuel line leak Re: Vin # plate question Re: Vin # plate question Re: 64 F-100 Vin plate question Re: Axle ID, trying to help a coworker Paint code numbers 390 intake 64 F100 steering column Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm happy?!?! Re: 64 F100 steering column Re: garages Dust shields yea or nay? Stabilizer Bar source Re: 64 F100 steering column Re: garages tranny swap Re: Plugging the smog holes Re: Plugging the smog holes Re: garages Re: POR-15 questions Re: garages ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oldfords63 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:15:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Replacing 390 intake Might wanna look at the valve seals too, while your in there. Phil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I am replacing my 2 barrel intake with 4 barrel intake on my 390 what should I plan > on replacing while I have it apart ? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:21:25 -0500 From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston Subject: Re: POR-15 questions Phil, I have their catalog and have been drooling over it - sounds too good to be true. I assume that to be truly effective, you have to treat both sides of the metal in question. I am going to order the floorpan/trunk repair kit and try it on my floorboards. The one on the passeger side is pretty holey. I thought I was going to have to get a replacement welded in, but am going to give this a try. Thanks to the others who answered, as well. Virgil 66 F-100 > Virgil- I've used a bunch of it on several projects (blk & silver), and I > can say it does everything they say it will. Several other of their > products work as well to. Call and get a free catalog to see the other > stuff they make. Good luck, Phil 64 F-100 ( POR-15 Poster child ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------ From: Aeroape82 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:48:31 EST Subject: Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm happy?!?! David you have fun changing that starter in that new garage it's great being out of the weather when working on your truck. The first couple of times you won't know how to handle it you are half expecting that cold breeze to blow under that the truck and trying to prepare yourself for it. Being from upstate NY accross the river from Brockville I know what you mean by the cold. Glenn NY 78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches) ------------------------------ From: Aeroape82 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:53:27 EST Subject: Re: fuel line leak Have you tried running a solid line from the carb till you get away from the heat of the eng. and then put the rubber flexable hose inline. Glenn NY 78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches) ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:32:44 EST Subject: Re: Vin # plate question In a message dated 2/12/2001 9:25:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, tim-pam > I would try to drill the rivets out carefully & take the plate off & try > to restore it. It might take a little doing(carefully) Try some paint > stripper --lite coats -- & when you get down close to the original > plate,try some finger nail polish remover to take it down the rest of the > way. I've done that on other stuff that needed restored. > Thanks I'll give that a shot . Did you have any luck with yours ? ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:35:44 EST Subject: Re: Vin # plate question In a message dated 2/12/2001 10:18:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, wish > Another option if this doesn't work is to pick up a Mustang Monthly magazine, > there's usually one or two retaillers in there who can reproduce those > plates. > Just a hunch that the cars and trucks used similar plates so they should be > able to do either for you ... > > I had heard that someone might remake them , but didn't know where to look . Thanks ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:40:23 EST Subject: Re: 64 F-100 Vin plate question In a message dated 2/12/2001 4:08:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, oldfords63 > Steve- I believe those plates are available trough AutoKrafters. Give em a > try. > Later, Phil (64 F-100 ) > Yea , ok I've got one of those cats . Didn't even think to look there . DAA ! ------------------------------ From: Aeroape82 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:52:59 EST Subject: Re: Axle ID, trying to help a coworker In a message dated 2/12/01 11:54:40 AM Central Standard Time, rsouther > nyone know anything about Ford 9" diffs? Here are the numbers from the axle > tag. Any ideas what the gear ratio is? > The diff is out of a late 70's Lincoln. > > WGC-C5 4KD 2 75 9 495A. > > > The gear ratio should be 2.75 to 1 if I remember my tag correctly. Glenn NY 78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches) ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:23:49 EST Subject: Paint code numbers Hey All, Anybody have the paint code number for 64 academy blue . Seems as if I got the wrong Dupont code number a while ago from the list . The code I got was for a beige color according to the automotive paint supplier . But I don't know if I 'll take stock in that , afterall "her" color code book ( and computer ) didn't go back that far . And I can't believe the list was mistaken . lol Steve 64 f-100 351w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:22:56 -0800 From: Eric <ekdonaldson Subject: 390 intake You'll also need a friend with a strong back. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:26:22 -0500 From: Peter Chesebrough <peter Subject: 64 F100 steering column Help! Does anyone out there have an exploded view of the components of the steering column of a 64 F100? I took mine apart to change the shift collar which had deteriorated, and I want to make sure I get it back with all the pieces in the right place. The service manual did not go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Pete ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam Subject: Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm happy?!?! Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:51:49 -0500 I know how it is to work in the cold weather too. I live in N.W. Ohio & I have to do all of my work in the driveway on the cold ground. -----Original Message----- From: Aeroape82 To: 61-79-list Date: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Cold weather, blown starter, and I'm happy?!?! >---------------------------------------------------------- >Support FTE - Check out our store: >http://www.motorhaven.com/ >---------------------------------------------------------- >David you have fun changing that starter in that new garage it's great being >out of the weather when working on your truck. The first couple of times you >won't know how to handle it you are half expecting that cold breeze to blow >under that the truck and trying to prepare yourself for it. Being from >upstate NY accross the river from Brockville I know what you mean by the cold. > >Glenn NY >78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches) > > >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam Subject: Re: 64 F100 steering column Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:54:27 -0500 Do you know anyone with an old chiltons repair manual ? They usually go into pretty good detail on everything. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Chesebrough <peter To: 61-79-list Date: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: [61-79-list] 64 F100 steering column >---------------------------------------------------------- >Support FTE - Check out our store: >http://www.motorhaven.com/ >---------------------------------------------------------- > >Help! Does anyone out there have an exploded view of the components of >the >steering column of a 64 F100? I took mine apart to change the shift >collar >which had deteriorated, and I want to make sure I get it back with all >the pieces >in the right place. The service manual did not go there. Any help would >be >greatly appreciated. Pete > > > >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:59:41 EST Subject: Re: garages And dont forget, preferably the garage (workshop) will be detached from the house. I found out very early on that wifes dont like their knick knacks shaked off the house walls when those ford v8's are fired up open header in there! Kinda lucked out down here when we got ours and it's got a seperate garage. Didnt really remember what I said all those years ago till the first time I worked the Bronco in it! George M in Fl. PS, down here we use em to keep the rain off our backs, which we havent had in a while but is sure to come again this spring. Now if only I could get my van in there (too tall to fit through the door!) In a message dated 02/12/01 7:51:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, ecfinn > You have my condolences... My wife and I just started looking for houses > on Saturday. I'm hoping I can find something even half as nice as the one > you had to pass up. :-( I'm not even condering anything that has less > than a two car garage (or at least room to expand the existing garage.) > Now the only question is how long it will take to find what we're looking > for... :-) > ------------------------------ From: "Pat" <patsplace Subject: Dust shields yea or nay? Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:43:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:11:02 -0500 From: Tony Marino <redneck Hey Guy- I have to admit- all of my old trucks the first thing I do when doing wheel bearings is remove the spindles and take the dust shields off. Here in NE Ohio when the snow comes down, everytime I looked under my truck they were packed up with snow, rocks, and debris that would be held up against the rotor. The same things happens when you are offroading if you do that sort of thing. I took mine off of my '78 about 4 years ago when I put new rotors and hubs onto my truck and have not changed brakes, or had any adverse wear since then Thanks Tony, That's what I figured too. Pat Patrick ------------------------------ From: "Air Junky" <jake Subject: Stabilizer Bar source Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:09:45 -0800 I have a '78 F150 4x4 that needs a new front stabilizer bar, I have spoken with my local Ford dealer who did a "nation wide" search for the part. They found one at a couple of different dealerships but upon calling them found out that they didn't have the part after all. I have also spoken with the guys over at the Green Sales Co. and they don't have one either. I know a couple of you guys on here have said in the past where to go for hard to find parts, but for the life of me I can't remember who, or where you said to look. Any help would sure be appreciatted, thanks! -Jake Jake Kinnison jake http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://airjunky.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:27:15 -0600 Subject: Re: fuel line leak From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone > Have you tried running a solid line from the carb till you get away from the > heat of the eng. and then put the rubber flexable hose inline. No, I haven't. I didn't know I could change the nipple in the carb (thanks Dave). This sounds like an option, too. I suppose a short piece of hose would be acceptable. Thanks for the idea. -- John jlagrone 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:43:02 -0500 From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston Subject: Re: 64 F100 steering column I'll scan the exploded view in a catalog and email it to you directly. I've found that the best views are often in the catalogs. Virgil > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Chesebrough [SMTP:peter > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:26 PM > To: 61-79-list > Subject: [61-79-list] 64 F100 steering column > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Support FTE - Check out our store: > http://www.motorhaven.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Help! Does anyone out there have an exploded view of the components of > the > steering column of a 64 F100? I took mine apart to change the shift > collar > which had deteriorated, and I want to make sure I get it back with all > the pieces > in the right place. The service manual did not go there. Any help would > be > greatly appreciated. Pete > > > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 Subject: Re: garages Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:42:42 -0800 Most insurance companies give a discount on detached garages too :-) All the problems you guys have posted were on my list when I built my barn so it has 12x11' doors. I can even get my son's Blue Bird school bus in there to work on it and close the doors. As often happens though we can't afford to do the whole thing at once so insulation is next and then I will have a comfy work shop. I debated this but after watching the fuel tanks go down this year I decided all the shelves I have between the posts will have to find a new home to make room for insulation :-) My brother got the building inspector to allow him to add two coarses of block to his foundation and raise his garage so he could get his work van in it. He also put in a low head room door. All that didn't cost him too much, just a lot of work. He has it all insulated and drywalled with a gas furnace in it for painting signs (that's how he makes his living). I worked in a 8' tall, 20x24 uninsulated garage for 20 years but I did install a Pit when I poured the floor (dirt when I moved in) and stuck a dual fuel oil/wood home made stove in it for heat. That stove will probably do duty in the barn now and burn only wood since I have about a 2 year supply out back. I've decided to do my painting in the summer so I don't need a spark free stove. Maybe in a few years I will be able t afford the Infared over head heater I dream of :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > And dont forget, preferably the garage (workshop) will be > detached from the > house. - snip- > in a while but is sure to come again this spring. Now if only I > could get my > van in there (too tall to fit through the door!) ------------------------------ From: "Bob" <xavetarx Subject: tranny swap Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:07:32 -0500 Anyone around Philadelphia want to swap a T-18 out of a 79 Bronco for a C6? (I'm tired of shifting) -bob- 79 Bronco 460 44's T18 79 Bronco 400 40's C6 ------------------------------ From: Ben <bluesky6 Subject: Re: Plugging the smog holes Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:47:53 -0800 % %I am looking at getting a 300 cid engine. The price is very nice. %However, there are smog (AIR) holes which my truck's current engine %doesn't have. % %Does anyone know how I can plug up the holes? I asked this question because there was a rebuilt one at a local auto store for $500 (vs $1300+ normal price). It had been sitting at the back of the store for at least a year. I had a looked at it and decided that it was too much trouble. Ben ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther Subject: Re: Plugging the smog holes Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:54:44 -0800 I ran a 200-6 for over a year (when I sold the car) with the AIR ports plugged with appropriate size pipe plugs. Was working just fine when I sold it... -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:bluesky6 Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:48 AM To: 61-79-list Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Plugging the smog holes ---------------------------------------------------------- Support FTE - Check out our store: http://www.motorhaven.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------- % %I am looking at getting a 300 cid engine. The price is very nice. %However, there are smog (AIR) holes which my truck's current engine %doesn't have. % %Does anyone know how I can plug up the holes? I asked this question because there was a rebuilt one at a local auto store for $500 (vs $1300+ normal price). It had been sitting at the back of the store for at least a year. I had a looked at it and decided that it was too much trouble. Ben ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:07:57 EST Subject: Re: garages Gary I like the sounds of your shop and it's alot like my dreams (only really dont need the heaters, though cieling fans would be peachey). Ive got my eyes on the vacent lot next to me and it'll make a wonderfull workshop (and sailboat storage) while reserving the garage as parking for all but the van. Besides, the Bronco is going to go down in the near future for an, as yet undetermined ammount, of restoration & refurbishment. Having a full size workshop for that would be heaven. My last engine change was a real thrill in my current garage as it's got a low cieling due to the above "in-law" guest room. Used a very short chain, and stratiegic placement of hoists/truck and partially deflaited tires to make it work (and work it did!). But like you say, it all comes in stages and we gotta prioritize. George M in Fl. PS, FWIW 79 Bronco 400 C6 NP205 91 Taurus 3.0L $# 92 E-150 Conversion 5.0L and ?EOD? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most insurance companies give a discount on detached garages too :-) All the problems you guys have posted were on my list when I built my barn so it has 12x11' doors. I can even get my son's Blue Bird school bus in there to work on it and close the doors. As often happens though we can't afford to do the whole thing at once so insulation is next and then I will have a comfy work shop. I debated this but after watching the fuel tanks go down this year I decided all the shelves I have between the posts will have to find a new home to make room for insulation :-) My brother got the building inspector to allow him to add two coarses of block to his foundation and raise his garage so he could get his work van in it. He also put in a low head room door. All that didn't cost him too much, just a lot of work. He has it all insulated and drywalled with a gas furnace in it for painting signs (that's how he makes his living). I worked in a 8' tall, 20x24 uninsulated garage for 20 years but I did install a Pit when I poured the floor (dirt when I moved in) and stuck a dual fuel oil/wood home made stove in it for heat. That stove will probably do duty in the barn now and burn only wood since I have about a 2 year supply out back. I've decided to do my painting in the summer so I don't need a spark free stove. Maybe in a few years I will be able t afford the Infared over head heater I dream of :-) ------------------------------ From: oldfords63 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:06:11 -0500 Subject: Re: POR-15 questions Virgil, It sure won't hurt to treat both sides. I assume you mean the inside of the floor and the bottom of the cab ? If so, you can topcoat the underneath with chassis black or regular paint or even undercoating. You can just leave it. Nuthin's gonna bother that stuff. That POR-Putty works good too. Phil 64 F-100 ( POR-15 from the door handles down ! ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I have their catalog and have been drooling over it - sounds too > good to be true. I assume that to be truly effective, you have to > treat both sides of the metal in question. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan Subject: Re: garages Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:00:34 -0800 On a new tack, sort of. The guy who built the garage on the house I bought poured the slab for the floor of the garage at ground level. The lot is fairly flat with a very slight slope away from the house. However when the rain comes off the roof it splashes in front of the garage doors and ends up running into the garage. Makes working on my truck a bummer. I've tried putting a gutter in the ground and drain in front of the doors and it has helped some. I am considering rain gutters on the eaves but am afraid the definitive solution will be to pour more concrete to raise the floor. Any other ideas guys? Tom H. ------------------------------ .... 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