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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:13:35 EST Subject: Re: right price for 77 f250? That price seems great!! I live in New Jersey and saw a 1979 F350 2wd Crewecab on the FTE classifieds about 1-2 years ago. I called him up and we stuck a deal. I flew from NJ to New Orleans Airport where I saw the truck. Needless to say it was perfect and I drove it 23-3/4 hours home straight threw without any stops by myself. I converted it to a 4x4 using factory parts and added A/C. I had pictures that some people wanted, but forgot there address's. If you guys read this, please send your address to me offlist. I'll get a CD out to you when I get a chance. Thanks & good luck on the crewcab!!! Wayne Grabley ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Zip ties Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:48:54 -0800 We certainly had baling wire first but I think we also had duck tape before zip ties :-) I got to tell you though, since I first tried them on a vehicle I have kept a few bags around and use them in place of virtually every kind of retainer on the truck now. I get the colored ones so I can color code them too :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > It was called baleing wire, I believe. > > Azie Magnusson > Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: zip ties and hay bales, was:ENGINE WONT START Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:55:02 -0800 Most farmers who use sqare bales use "Kick Balers" now days and one man can do it all :-) (untill the field is done then you go back out and pick up the bales that fell off :-)) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > I was a student by working on the small farms around here that > still do use > the small bales. Its hard to find kids to do the work anymore > and most of the > farmers are too old or have heart problems, so they pay well for > a couple fields > worth of work :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 04:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael (Cut me and I'll bleed FORD Blue) Whittington" <broncoman85 excite.com>
Subject: Ignition Timing OK I've got one for ya'll. In my 85 Bronco (Engines out of a 75 F100, to appease the list), I've installed the Duraspark dizzy out of a '77 F100. I'm having to run the vacuum advance unplugged because no matter how low I back the timing down, when I rev it to 3600 rpm the advance kicks the timing up to about (I say about cause the marks on the balancer do not go that high) 55 or 60 degrees and I get detonation. I'm losing alot of power on top end (won't rev over about 4200 under load, as in running down the highway) because of no advance, so do ya'll have any ideas on this? I've had the vacuum advance hooked up on ported vacuum, the dizzy is a single port canister and the timing is set to 13 or 14 degrees at 800 rpm idle. This has been a thorn in my side (or in our language, baling wire under the fingernail?) since I put the engine in the truck and would appreciate any ideas. Whit 77 F250 4X4 20 inchs lift 800 horse 429 44 Boggers 75 F100 460 69 F100 302 76 F250 Dual wheels 390 Tow Truck 85 Bronco 302 83 Bronco 351M (new toy) _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Zip ties Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:06:10 -0800 If you go to school to learn mechanics you will also learn that the wire "Real" mechanics use is called "Mechanic's" wire :-) You can buy it in rolls at the hardware in mild steel or stainless :-) Baling wire comes in 50# (or larger) spools and is not cost effective for us shade trees :-) My grand dad had a baler that used twine and the knotter was always on the fritz so I used to sit on the twine box and tie two or three by hand, jump off the baler on to the wagon, stack them, jump back on the baler and tie a few more and........now that was really fun on a hot day :-) He also had a corn "Binder" that never seemed to get the twine tied quite right and I had to help with that too :-) We used to use horses to load loose hay in the barn using 4 big hooks and a bunch of ropes and pulleys with this neat trip mechanism too. Those were the good old days. Ever try jumping into a pile of hay bales? Hurts like heck! Loose hay OTOH was pretty cool :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > >It was called baleing wire, I believe. > > > >Azie Magnusson > >Ardmore, Al. > > Oh yeah, I remember that stuff! For some reason bailing wire > and I aren't on very friendly terms. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Re Coil Grounding Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:14:08 -0800 Thanks Jim for your concern :-) Every once in a while (not too often) I have to be put down to keep the truth flowing freely on the list but I always learn from the exercise. Many thanks to all who responded knowledgeably:-) I have a good head for mechanics but sometimes get carried away and make an unfounded presumtion based on experience rather than principles. For that I appologize if I have led anyone astray. (still confused about the loose coil though :-)) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > No it isn't rocket science. It's one of the simplest (and most > necessary) parts of an old Ford truck... > And yet judging from some of the strange posts on the subject, > there are still some folks who don't understand how the system > really works, beyond "the points open and close and if the coil > shocks your buddy then all is O.K." > I'm not trying to be a smart ass or push a point to far, but I think > effective troubleshooting of a system is best accomplished when you > know how a system works... and there seems to be some disagreement > and confusion about just what is happening to make that spark jump > it's little gap. > > Jim Imboden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:26:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Engine won't stop (again) From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> I guess my first question is, do you believe that the ascii > schematic I've drawn is correct? I surrender. Age is catching up I guess. Yep, I was thinking the capacitor not he condenser Sorry. I guess I got condensed too dense. Signing off this topic with the taste of sock in my mouth. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:29:03 -0600 Subject: Re: 460 lost oil pressure-John L. From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> The motor didn't quit, it didn't make any unusual noise either, I made a > point to go straight home (not far away) and park it. It did occour to me > that the oil may have been diluted with gasoline from a stuck open needle > valve problem in the past. Oil level was OK, I had just toped it off. Now that you mention it, I have seen the oil diluted with gasoline once when the fuel pump diaphragm ruptured. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:30:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Coil grounding From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> Actually...your statement is not correct either...you only need a difference > in potential, conductors with ample supply of free electrons and a closed > loop to cause current to flow... Agreed. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:32:35 -0600 Subject: Re: Engine won't stop (again) From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> Ok, all this talk about flux and such has got my head hurting. But here > is a question. It has been my experience that a wider points gap will > give a better idle and low end grunt at the expense of top end, and that > a narrower gap will give better topend with worse idle and low end > grunt. Why is that? No, seriously. Have others noted this or am I > hallucinating? Basically, the spring doesn't have time to close the points before the next cam gets there to open them. It is similar to valve float. As you increase the gap, you retard your timing. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:38:33 -0600 Subject: Re: Re Coil Grounding From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> Enough of this thread, already. This ain't rocket science. > > Dave Schoenberg Thank you, Dave. Agreed. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: zip ties and hay bales, was:ENGINE WONT STAR Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 05:52:06 -0800 > >snip< > > Come on John, that's rediculous. I think Zip ties have *always* > > been around. (-: > > How could primitive man ever have evolved into decent mechanics > > without zip ties? I'm sure they must have been one of the first > > tools ever invented, but they were probably made of stone or bronze > > or something. Personally, I can't even imagine life without them! > > > Like Darrell said a couple of days ago: baling wire. You see > all hay bales > were rectangular, not round, and tied with wire, not string. > Believe it or > not a hay bale could be lifted by a single man and you could > haul a goodly > number in the back of your F series truck. I know there are > some people > still using the older bale style, but around here almost > everyone uses the > giant round bales. > > --John LaGrone > jlagrone ford-trucks.com
> See Henry at: http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm > And after having hauled my share of bovine bricks in the back of two different Ford trucks (it is amazing how much they would haul if you stack them in right) I can hereby attest that round bales are the greatest thing since sliced bread!! :-) Tom H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:00:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Re Coil Grounding From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> I'm not trying to be a smart ** or push a point to far, but I think
> effective troubleshooting of a system is best accomplished when you > know how a system works... and there seems to be some disagreement > and confusion about just what is happening to make that spark jump > it's little gap. You have provided a lot of good information in this thread, but all I really need to know is which wires to connect to which terminals, what components correctly make up the system, and how to adjust it to spec. Not many mechanics can do the math you have been presenting, but they can read charts and meters to make a truck run well. Time to go earn a living... -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Zip ties & Blood Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:25:08 -0800 > > > In a message dated 2/1/2001 4:25:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, > luminous neteze.com writes:
> > << I agree it's useful stuff, but somehow I always manage to hurt > myself with it. > At least it keeps my tetanus shots current... > >> > > One thing I swear by, is if I didnt loose blood while > fixing something, its > guarenteed to have to come apart again in 24 hrs. If I > loose a large amount > of blood (anything more than the common bandaid can hold > back) Im home free > with no more probs. But this has a bad side. You must > stop the bleeding > with whats on hand cuz if you stop to get stitches, your > gonna have to open <snip> Stitches? Try superglue. Doesn't sting and instantly seals the wound. Tom H ------------------------------ From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:45:16 EST Subject: Re: zip ties and hay bales, was:ENGINE WONT STAR T In a message dated 2/2/01 5:56:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com writes:
<< Like Darrell said a couple of days ago: baling wire. You see > all hay bales > were rectangular, not round, and tied with wire, not string. > Believe it or > not a hay bale could be lifted by a single man and you could > haul a goodly > number in the back of your F series truck. I know there are > some people > still using the older bale style, but around here almost > everyone uses the > giant round bales. >> I agree, bales aren't normally found nowadays w/ baling wire, at least around here cuz we have hardly any hay fields, but a sort of twine we call baling string, that stuff is amazing! You can use it for just about anything, and it comes in purty colors like black, red, blue and yellow LOL On a side note, I miss my truck, my dad <not me LOL> is redoing the front and rear brakes, rebuilding the tranfer case, rebuilding the 4WD driveshaft as well as getting a new tranny, so needless to say I am suffering from "Envy Seperation" LOL Just yesterday I went to the feed store to get hay for my horse, and I could only get 3 bales in the back of our short bed dodge ram b/c we have a tonneau cover on it, I'm used to loading about 8 bales in my Ford *arrrrrghh arrrrrghh arrrrgh* but hey, at least in the meantime I get A/C, Heater, good stereo sysytem, and better gas mileage, LOL If y'all have any advice that would help my dad please feel free to E-mail me back personally, Thanks guys! *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~* ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Coil grounding Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:50:05 -0800 Which is why the term "Ground" is used for virtually everything rather than where it actually applies, technically. The litteral ground is the lowest potential available so power can be sent to ground through a load with virtually no impedance (other than the wires and load that is :-)). Many power distribution systems use this to good advantage. It's just a loose way of refering to the low end of the potential in any circuit as far as I know. I believe the code says that a true ground system has to have less than 5 milliohms impedance to the actual ground to comply. In the ignition circuit the symbols for ground are used to indicate a common, low potential......Plane perhaps? A source to which all low potential terminals are attached and on a vehicle you can attach a ground to the rear for the tail lights and the battery to the front as the "Actual" ground for the system and anything attached in between is "Grounded" as if it were stuck in the ground itself. I haven't tried it but technically if you put two 10' stakes in the ground some distance apart and attach your tail light ground to one and the battery ground to the other you will have a complete circuit. CB antenna use a "Ground Plane" I suspect this has a similar inferance? It took me a long time to meditate on 3 phase power to understand how three wires with 177v could make a system that is rated at 480v!?? It is the difference in "Potential" as stated that makes it work :-) Now if I could just understand how taps on transformers work........or why 240 is called single phase or......(just kidding :-)) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > << Electricity always needs a ground to complete the circuit and move. >> > > This is just to you and not the liST...but... > Actually...your statement is not correct either...you only need a > difference > in potential, conductors with ample supply of free electrons and a closed > loop to cause current to flow..."ground" is one of the most misunderstood > terms in electrical and electronic circuits....its my area of expertise. > > > Bill ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:52:58 GMT Subject: Re: Ignition Timing >the dizzy is a single port >canister and the timing is set to 13 or 14 degrees at 800 rpm idle. Have you tried backing the initial timing off to somewhere around 6-10 degrees ? Just to see if it "solves" the problem. Also what all have you done to the motor ? And finally, are you sure its spark that's causing your problems ? What are your plugs gapped at, and is the fuel system/pump adequate for those rpm's and its needs ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:54:39 GMT Subject: Re: zip ties and hay bales, was:ENGINE WONT START >Most farmers who use sqare bales use "Kick Balers" now days and one man can >do it all :-) (untill the field is done then you go back out and pick up the >bales that fell off :-)) > Or broke ... I don't see too many kicker balers around here, too many instances of broken bales and can't get enough into the wagon ... most of them are going round, and those that do square, well they usually have kids :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Engine won't stop (again) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:01:00 -0800 I pointed this out before......the gap controls the "Dwell" which controls the spark "Duration" and "Coil Saturation" time which is critical to the spark intensity. I don't recall if more dwell is points closed or open but the longer the points are closed the more intensity you can get from the spark which is one reason they went to "Coil on Plug" technology. Dura spark was a serious inprovement on the points system because it could open and close the circuits much quicker allowing more time for coil saturation and could also electronically control the duration of the spark. The newer after market systems actually control the spark so that it has several peaks instead of just one which supposedly improves ignition with poor or lean mixtures etc.... Point chatter or float is another issue and is controlled by the spring pressure and cam shape, not the gap :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Ok, all this talk about flux and such has got my head hurting. But here > is a question. It has been my experience that a wider points gap will > give a better idle and low end grunt at the expense of top end, and that > a narrower gap will give better topend with worse idle and low end > grunt. Why is that? No, seriously. Have others noted this or am I > hallucinating? ------------------------------ From: "Serian" <serian mailandnews.com>
Subject: Re: Engine won't start-update Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:33:41 -0500 > > return line. Also, can I either just plug the line, or put a t-fitting > > just before the fuel pump to connect this to? Or am I just > > going to have to run a return line to the tank to use this? > > Thanks again for all the help. > > You should be able to plug the return port with a brass plug > and use the pump. While you *can* do this, plugging the return line port of a dual action fuel pump instead of running a return line back to the fuel tank may very well result in constant flooding of the engine. The return line sends excess fuel that the engine does not need at lesser throttle positions back to the tank. If you *don't* use the dual action pump on that large of an engine, there is the possibility that the fuel pump you use won't supply sufficient fuel to the engine when you open up all four barrels of the carb. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Coil grounding Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:31:56 -0600 Bill R. writes: >>..."ground" is one of the most misunderstood terms in electrical and electronic circuits....its my area of expertise.<< You are correct in that "Ground" is misused by us. Usually in electrical and electronics both when the term "ground" is used it is in reference to the negative side of any circuit and could in fact be "Positive" in relation to a real ground. We're not scientific in most of our analogies, so I'm sure most of us will continue in our set ways of referencing the negative side of any circuit as "ground". I think most of us realize what we mean, and that most of us know that technically we are incorrect when we use the term this way. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Oil sending unit Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:34:44 -0600 Karl S. writes: >>I haven't done much work on this truck and wondered if someone could tell me where the sender is located, I allready have a mechanical gauge on a flex tube that I can use to check it.<< Right smack in the rear middle of the top of the block behind the intake manifold.. It sticks straight up and the cowl is awfully close to it. A single wire on it. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Coil grounding Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:51:53 -0600 Dave S. writes: >>the point is that the coil secondary does NOT ground to the case or the block. << On a points equipped vehicle: When the points are closed the ohm meter shows NO resistance between the negative side of the coil and the neg battery terminal or the block.. When I disconnect the coil and measure from the neg post to the hivoltage(coil wire) port, I read around 16,000-18,000 ohms.. It isn't grounded all the time, but to operate(create a spark) there has to be a complete circle (circuit). The coil would operate the same if it had the neg post going to the points(as it currently is) and had another post for the secondary to be grounded(there is that term again) all the time (permanently). A solid ground for the secondary and an intermittent ground for the primary side. Is this not true?? Have I really forgotten that much since I attended trade school back in the mid 50's?? I realize that was AC and line transformers I was studying, but the points opening and closing effectively creates an AC voltage - just a varying frequency.. Right?? Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Coil grounding Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:58:25 -0600 Dave S. writes: >>This electrical charge is then conducted from the bar, << Naw... The secondary has two wire ends, and one of those wire ends is connected to the hivoltage port(coil wire). The core(bar) just sits there and has no electrical connections to it. >>Enough of this thread, already. This ain't rocket science.<< Naw.. I'm trying to learn something here, and I could care less about those rockets. I'm working on old Ford Trucks. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:06:29 EST Subject: Re: Ignition Timing In a message dated 02/02/2001 7:55:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, broncoman85 excite.com writes:
<< I'm having to run the vacuum advance unplugged because no matter how low I back the timing down, when I rev it to 3600 rpm the advance kicks the timing up to about (I say about cause the marks on the balancer do not go that high) 55 or 60 degrees and I get detonation. >> There is supposed to be an internal limiter under the advance plate inside the distributor. The limiter uses a piece of rubber on a small finger that points up and will limit how far the centrifugal weights can advance at higher rpms. This is something to check out. It is possible this limiter is broken off or not lined up properly. If so, there is no telling how far the centrifugal advance can go. Add the vacuum advance with the unlimited centrifugal advance and the results are easy to spot with a timing light. If the centrifugal advance looks as though it does have a limiter in place and working, check to see if the rubber piece is there. You can install a piece on it to limit its movement some. The amount of spring pressure has an effect on what rpm range this advance comes into play. This is not something to mess with or just guess at. Leave it alone if the springs are there and attached properly. Rollie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:24:48 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re Coil Grounding John LaGrone wrote: > > > > Enough of this thread, already. This ain't rocket science. > > > > Dave Schoenberg > > Thank you, Dave. Agreed. > Why? Because you are not interested and/or already understand it? I wade through/cruise by tons of postings that don't interest me. Over the last six months, with all the postings on political issues, etc., I was wondering what was going on here...? At least this thread is directly relevant to working on my Ford truck...That's why God invented the delete button...and, by the way, the remote control... -- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://counterculture.ws http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ctc.edu/~dpearson/popcult.html http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/lyrics.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:31:30 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: grounding GaryBBB wrote: I haven't tried it but technically if > you put two 10' stakes in the ground some distance apart and attach your > tail light ground to one and the battery ground to the other you will have a > complete circuit. > You do mean with the positive connected to the positive lead of the light, correct? -- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://counterculture.ws http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ctc.edu/~dpearson/popcult.html http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/lyrics.htm ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Reluctors Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:37:42 -0600 Rich writes: >>"In operation the PMG sends alternating current to the module, with the current changing from positive to negative each time one of the gear teeth on the armature passes the permanent magnet in the coil. << The reluctor is nothing more than a star shaped piece of steel. The # of star "Points" depending on the # of cylinders being fed. How does it create anything by just passing by the magnetized coil (magnetic pickup)?? I realize that the reluctor is grounded thru the shaft in the dist and that the coil(magnetic pickup) is energized (electrically charged), but that doesn't explain anything to me.. I went to electronics school while in the Military and studied Electronic Countrermeasures(ECM) equipment, but that was during the latter days of vacuum tubes and semiconductore are a mystery to me. The principals of the magnetic field creating electricity, however, should remain the same, and I'm in the dark on this one. (Some on this list think I'm on the dark altogether, I think.) How about the "Hall effect" distributors in some vehicles being priduced today?? How do they work?? I've examined several, but the principal of operation is beyond me. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Sie Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:17:13 -0600 Bill R. gives us this site: >>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.howstuffworks.com/ignition-system.htm<< That is a great site.. How in the world did you come across it?? I bookmarked the home page, so I can try to learn myself and teach some others about things that interest us. Illustrations are great to use.. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:48:33 -0600 Subject: Re: separation from your truck From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> so needless to say I am suffering from "Envy Seperation" LOL I feel for you, Lisa. I am banned from driving at the moment (eye surgery). I at least get to sit in the driveway and run Henry's engine every couple of days. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:53:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Re Coil Grounding From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
>> > Enough of this thread, already. This ain't rocket science. >> > >> > Dave Schoenberg >> >> Thank you, Dave. Agreed. >> > Why? Because you are not interested and/or already understand it? I > wade through/cruise by tons of postings that don't interest me. Over > the last six months, with all the postings on political issues, etc., I > was wondering what was going on here...? At least this thread is > directly relevant to working on my Ford truck...That's why God invented > the delete button...and, by the way, the remote control... Some tempers were getting too hot to handle IMHO. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:14:17 EST Subject: Re: separation from your truck In a message dated 2/2/2001 9:58:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:
<< so needless to say I am suffering from "Envy Seperation" LOL I feel for you, Lisa. I am banned from driving at the moment (eye surgery). I at least get to sit in the driveway and run Henry's engine every couple of days. -- John >> Thats not to bad. Park your baby and then listen to at least 2 people a day ask how its comin and when is it gonna be wheelin again. After 3 months you go numb, but at 6 months, with everything paid for, but countless other projects in your way, the feelings come back, mixed with a high amount of anxiety, and then you get the unquentiable thirst for a lil off road action, that you know your Mustang cant handle so you find yourself instagating a chase seen in the parking lot of the local casino searchin for that rush that you get when your flyin in the desert, hit a jump and know ya got air cuz the ride just got smoother than grandmas cadilac but it doesnt work and you still got the urge and you try to calm them by watchin old video of the truck in .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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