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61-79-list Digest Fri, 26 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 026

In This Issue:
Re: Sticker shock
Re: The Man!
Re: Need a More Power
Re: New Acquisition - 1970
Re: Jubilee
Re: Fuel Injected.
Re: Need a More Power
Re: Fuel Injection
Which engine
Re: The Man!
Re: The Man
Re: The Man!
The Man...
Re: Sticker shock
Re: The Man
Re: Which Engine
Hydraulic lifts
Re: The Man
Re: The Man and Horses (?)
Re: The Man and Horses (?)
Re: The Man
Re: The Man
Re: Hydraulic lifts
Re: The Man
Engine won't start
Re: Hydraulic lifts
Re: The Man and Horses (?)
Re: The Man & 66 F-100
Tranny Cooler

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:54:02 -0600
From: PostalJeepsRulE <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: Sticker shock


Well I warned ya all ;-P

I  built a roller motor two strokers back...514 used a Crower Rolloer
.681ish lift If I remeber correctly.... eiyther way Cam was $400,
leftres about the same, pushrods $200, rockers $475 and  studs guide
platyes and sprong about another $400..and boy howdy it did run!
But....never again, less I am going drag racing, would I waste that
kinda money again.... made within 40Hp with last motor with less cam and
just about as flexable as well...And it doesn't eat valave springs like
that roller did.

And Azie. just an opinion but ya want a smooth good running Ford....call
Crower.they speak BLUE OVAL.
Stay aways from the  shelkf grind stuff in the 460's they ahve sum
intresting quirks that can be used to your advanatge if cam is properly
selected.and Crower knows the score with only slightl;y higher cost!

Norm



"Azie L. Magnusson" wrote:
>
> If you see nervous quivers in this post, please be patient.  I just
> suffered a severe case of sticker shock, so to speak.  I called the
> local Crane Cams outlet for a price on a Hydraulic Roller Cam and
> lifters.  The Cam would cost me $325 and the lifters would cost me
> another $440.  They also recommend roller tip rockers and their
> springs and locks.  I didn't bother pricing the roller tipped rockers
> and the springs.  They are most probably very proud of them also.
> Just so happens I know the owner and I told him I didn't think I was
> that interested.  He also runs a 460 in his race car hauler..
> I expected a substancial increase in price over a standard Hyd, but I
> think that is ridiculuously high.  I won't live long enough to get that
> kind of benefit from it.
>
> OK..  I'm off my soapbox now.  Gotta research which Hydraulic cam
> I'm going to settle for..Gotta get that 460 going
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:26:00 -0800 (PST)
From: none <whidbeyslow yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Man!


 Well I can say a few things about dealing with the
man. First is fight for your constitutional rights.
Many of these so called "zoning laws" or "junk laws"
or whatever are simply NOT legal. The problem is that
they haven't been challenged under constitutional
grounds in a court of law. The problem is often such
that you'll get a couple of "Beautify the Town" wackos
on a city council who'll pass some stupid ordinances.
Then someone will bitch (which is where the ball
really starts rolling) and then some code enforcement
official or a sheriff or policeman comes out and
writes a citation. Then you have to respond in some
way or they can fine you/tow a vehicle.

 Often a policeman is only doing the duty because he
HAS TO because he is sworn to it, not because he
necessarily wants to. He isn't LEGALLY able to
determine on his own that a law is stupid or
constitutional. He just is supposed to follow it
(which is also part of the problem... if cops had/used
common sense then we'd really be saving some time!)
What you have to do is attack the law or ordinance
itself in a court of law. Unfortunately, 99.99999% of
the time no one is willing to do this because of the
enormous costs usually involved. So they simply let
their rights get trampled on and comply.

 My advice is to consult an attorney (which can often
be done for FREE) and see what they have to say. I
know of one guy who said a judge in the town he lived
in threw out all cases that fell under an ordinance
because the judge KNEW they weren't constitutional.
Finally, she threatened the town council with contempt
and jail time if they kept on trying to force the
sheriff to keep on writing the tickets!!!
Unbelievable? Yes! True? Yes!!! The town council was
so anal that they actually thought they could over
ride the state given authority of the judge!
DUUUHHHHH!

 The moral of the story is that you should at least
KNOW your rights and be willing to fight for them.
There are many, many things that simply cannot be done
but you have to be willing to speak up about it! No
one can search your property without just cause for an
example. If you put up a fence and some bozo cop
trespasses to look over it at your car then sue him!!!
Cops have qualified immunity from prosecution in most
cases but they don't have immunity from civil rights
violations!!! If you are in doubt about your rights
then see a LAWYER! You might be shocked to learn that
your rights have already been violated. For Chris, I
have to ask if you were even warned about your truck.
If not then go after them! I have NEVER heard of
anyone being able to tow a vehicle off private
property without some kind of legal warning. As long
as it's your own property anyways.

 As some of the other guys have suggested, get even.
If you cannot find out who bitched (and you probably
won't) simply type out a warning and place it into the
mailbox of everyone on your street. Say that if one
guys bitches about you then you'll bitch about
everybody else for even the smallest little thing.
Most neighbors will get the message because then
they'll have to do something that they don't like. Of
course you have to walk the talk. But hey... It's
better than the alternatives IMO.

 It seems interesting that this sort of thread pops
up once, twice, maybe three times a year doesn't it?
Welp, enough for now. I don't want to get banned from
the list like that guy who ranted about Florida and
the oranges... Scott-He who minds his own business!

>From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>>
>Subject: The man...

I was going about my boring day a work today when I
get a call from my frantic wife telling me to get home
right away, that they were towing my truck. WHAT!!!
well even if I could leave right away I wouldn't get
home for another 30mins and they would already be
gone.
It seems that someone in my neighborhood has
complained that my truck is sticking out in the road
and is "unsightly", so why haven't they done anything
until now, the truck has been sitting in my driveway
with the frame off for a year now. I called the city
and convinced them to give me 10 days to move it "out
of the street", the guy in the office told me that the
truck must show progress or be inspected and running.
PROGRESS, if they want to see progress come and ask
me to open my garage doors and they will see an almost
complete frame, it is getting harder and harder for us
to work on and upkeep our trucks without pissing off
at least one of our neighbors, why can't people just
mind their own business and stay out of mine. Well
thanks for letting me rant and rave.....
              Chris Worley 67 F100 saved from impound


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Need a More Power
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:45:37 -0800

You can never have too much power! (Help me get more or get out of the way! )


Garrett Nelson
www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: SevnD2 aol.com
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 3:10 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Need a More Power List: Was Possible Fuel Problems



 In a message dated 01/25/2001 5:25:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 dahorse jvlnet.com writes:

 << And I dunno why ya wanna
  run a roller cam....for the money yr gonna spend seems a large waste on
  a street engine... >>

 Don't try to convince someone that they just don't need more power! ;-)  They
 have already justified it to themselves. They have a help me or get out of my
 way frame of mind.

 I never figured out what is wrong with having too much power. Well, except
 with the low mpg I get.  ;-)

 Rollie



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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:45:56 EST
Subject: Re: New Acquisition - 1970

I swapped a 2wd C6 into my 79 Bronco's 4wd c6 and did have to change a few
parts to do it. Like you mentioned, the tailshaft and housing needed to be
swapped. To swap the tailshaft you've literally have to remove most of the
inner assemblies. Also pay attention to the shifter input lever. Mine were
orientated differently, the 4wd being above the shift axis, the 2wd being
below. I was able to leave the rest alone.

In a message dated 01/23/01 3:50:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gselby4x4 earthlink.net writes:


> Question #2, can you make a 2wd C6 into a 4wd C6 by swapping the tailshaft
> and tailhousing?  How much more involved is it to put a C6 where a 435 used
> to live?  My 435 is jumping out of 2nd (not including granny) gear, so I'm
> looking at some tranny expense no matter what.
>
>





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From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Jubilee
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:12:07 -0800

OX is that you, I should have known when that little sourthern belle was looking for OX  on this list there could only be one!!!   Annie
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: James Oxley
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:52 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Jubilee



 > But just 15 minutes away in West Milford NJ I rent
 30 > acres, with a 4 car garage, I hide alot of my
 ford > trucks and parts trucks in the woods there.

  Where exactly did you say that was again, LOL!!!

                                OX



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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:09:34 EST
Subject: Re: Fuel Injected.

Steve

I'd be interested in hearing more about your FI 400 experiments when you have
the chance. It's been one area I've been toying with on mine. The comments
from one who's "been there & done that" are priceless!

George M in Fl.

In a message dated 01/24/01 1:39:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM writes:


> wonderful thing for changing these parameter).  I have a 5.0 computer
> controlling a 514 in my bird (custom made intake),  I have a 5.0
> computer controlling a 460 in my Crew cab (stock 96 460 injection), and
> I am currently working on a system for the 400 in the Bronco. Once you
> actually sit down and look at the Ford injection, it is very easy.
> There is allot that can be removed.  The small problem I am running into
> is that the injection system needs a single plane intake.  There are
> only a couple of choices for the 400





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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:15:56 EST
Subject: Re: Need a More Power

In a message dated 1/25/2001 8:45:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
garrettnelson writeme.com writes:


> You can never have too much power! (Help me get more or get out of the way! )
>

You forgot to grunt when you said that!!  This post has been fun, but I got
one thing to add.  Instead of going the swap route, why not build what you
have?  It can be very fun to see what you can get this old school (no offence
intended, but since Im only 21...) technology to do for ya.  My family and I
own several trucks, and the fun in em is buildin what ya got.  My bros 84 has
one wicked nasty 300 in it.  Bro wanted to build a 351w for it, but after
much proding, got him to experiment with the 6 banger.  He has not been
dissappointed since.  (Although he loaned it to his ex wife and now needs a
refresher due to a dropped valve)  He's using this as an opportunity to port
match and polish the head so he can get full use out of a 650 Holley.  My
dads 4x4 started with a 360 and now sports a 410 entirely built for torque.
I had an F-250 that had a 390 in it I was gonna build into a 406 (which is
one option not really mentioned for FE people.  Just take your FT 390 and
bore it to a 428, use your 390 crank, and presto, more cubes, and lots of
free revving HP).  Now Im buildin our first 460 for Tweety.  All these
engines run admirably, (cept for the 406 I never got to build  :) ) and even
that lil 6 was able to eat my stock 460.  The only engines I havent built are
the 351m/400 and with Dan Lee's 400 4v sucker, I imagine I could have fun
with those too.  Wait, my Stang has a cleavland, so I've got a lil experience
with that.  Lil 351 will lay 160 ft of rubber (measured it myself)  Id wager
to say you could even get a tubo'd 2.3 to perform quite well in a SB F-100.
Hmm, already got the motor, maybe mom will let me take it out of her
Bird.......... Oh and folks, lets not forget one thing.  Be glad we can argue
460 vs 390 vs whatever, cuz all the chevy boys can argue about is which gears
they should use behind their 350's...

Darrell & Tweety (anxiously awaiting that fire breathing stump pulling
hopefully 14 second runnin 460 I been yammerin on about for almost 2 years)



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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:48:52 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injection


Azie,

In order to use the new injection on the older motors you must change the heads also.  The posts intake ports are moved up about 1/2".  Makes sealing a b #ch.  BTDT.  Unfortunatly the newer heads have different valvecovers also.  The front timing chain covers are different, but all you really need is a fuel pump block off plate.  No big deal to change over to serpintine (altho I did not do that on my Crewcab, I did do it on my Bird).  The bolt holes should already be there in the heads.

Good luck
Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco
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>
>
> Anyone ever put a FOMOCO 460 fuel injection from one of todays
> more modern trucks onto an older 460??  Anyone know what all
> has to be changed as far as the engine itself is concerned(hard parts)??
> I know you'd have to adopt the late model Computer/wiring/sensors,
> and all electrically, but I wondered about mecnanics changes...
> Anyone ever adopted the later model serpentine belt system to an
> older 460??
> Since I'm in the complete teardown mode anyway I was just wondering
> about these things..


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:22:06 -0800 (PST)
From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Which engine


> I believe the origianal poster has a 360 and would
like to upgrade thier
> pwer plant.A 390 is the obvious answer and as a 428
owner I believe
> a 428 or a 410 bears a little more consideration.
> First off a FE family swap ain't even a real
swap.Every accesory bolts
> on EXACTLY as it came off the smallet FE. This
includes upgrades such as
> headers,intakes,chrome accessories,that new starter
and water pump you
> put on 6 months ago,belt,hoses,fan,every thing fits.
>  I realize any FE larger than a 390 is somewhat rare
and expensive.
> I also belive that no one gives 460 to FE swap kits
away, If I
> remember right L&L wants over $500 just for the
headers.I paid $139 for
> mine.They are not the quality of L&L's but try and
find a set of swap
> headers for $140.

I'm sure you can get a cheapo pair of 460 headers for
around that price, but I'd go with manfiolds on a
daily driver, much less hassle. And yes the car
manifolds fit. It's not the prettiest, but it can be
done without notching the frame.

>You can also go the junk yard route and get the van
pan
> etc. to swap a 460 in,but no one gives these parts
away and they are
> also getting harder to find.

Not as hard as 390/428 stuff. I just recently bought
a whole 460, 78 van motor for 105$. They had 2 of them
that day. Not really that hard to find.

> Let's use the $700 figure tossed out earlier for a
460.I see 428s
> available now and then in the local paper for $2000.


In a vehicle, running, which you can hear and drive??
or a guaranteed junkyard motor?? That is what I'm
talking about for 700$.

> 428-410 cranks for
> a 390-410 conversion are around for a $1000.

Still 50 cubes short and 50 cubes is still a huge
disparity.

>  I would bet that by the time a swap is completed
that there is very
> little if any of that $13000 left.

Maybe, but I don't see it being more than that
(overall), including picking up used big block auto
and having it rebuilt (100$ + 600$). If your going to
spend 2 grand on an FE, you need to consider heavily
what happens if something goes again. With 460 swap,
you now have big block and big block tranny. 460 was
avail till 97 and C6 was avail till 91 at least. FE
stuff is already 24 years old, at some point in time
you can't get away from the fact this stuff ain't
around anymore.

> If you go with the crank,$300 is the
> total outlay.  If you have a automatic I don't see >
any way to break even
> considering a new trans is in your future.

Agreed, if that is enough of an upgrade for the owner.


Not to mention The "swap can
> be performed in a day.This is a REAL concern if some
one hads to hire
> out the work.

I agree that the 390 is the way to go for this case,
but if the onwer wants more than that, I don't see why
you wouldn't go 460 unless you just want a 428.

                           OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56,
D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869
(street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10,
D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out
of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3
40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:39:34 -0800 (PST)
From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Man!



>  Well I can say a few things about dealing with the
> man. First is fight for your constitutional rights.
> Many of these so called "zoning laws" or "junk laws"
> or whatever are simply NOT legal.

I've said it before, I'll say it again (for any
newbies). Join an org like this one.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.covacvag.org/. I'll save the massive rant,
you've all heard me before :-)

                              OX


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:51:32 -0700
From: Keith Srb <herbie ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The Man


At 11:03 AM 01/25/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Folks,
>Just for my education, what level of government is imposing these statutes?
>I live in the country, but we have 'neighborhood associations' that can make
>life a living hell by continuously ratcheting up the quazi 'standards' and
>then via harassment.
>What parts of the country are the worse? I'll make sure that I never decide
>to move to these areas......
>Brett

The Police and Zoning Board answer to the City Council in Mesa, AZ  The
laws differ between City's.  I was driving through Tempe yesterday and saw
all kinds of people with cars parked in their front yards.  Tempe and Mesa
are right next to each other.

Mesa has some "new" developments next to some neighborhoods that are
older.  A lot of the people in the older neighborhoods have an acre or more
of land and have horse privileges (they can keep horses on their land). On
the other side of the fence is a $200.000 house who somebody just moved
into and then started complaining about the dust and noise created by the
horses.  Now they are going before the Zoning Board and trying to get the
zoning on the older neighborhood changed.  I don't get it.  If they didn't
like the fact that there were horses next door, why buy the house???  The
Valley is expanding in all directions, why not find a neighbor to suite
your needs instead of trying to change what is already there??

Then we have Homeowner associations where ever there are "new
Developments". The associations are even worse.  My Boss just but a new
house and her husband may have to get ride of his Ford 1 ton  Diesel dually
because the association has rules against "loud" vehicles.  Plus too many
other rules to list here that seem stupid to me.  In fact the state is
investigating these associations to see if they have too much power.

I would do a lot more on research on AZ before choosing to move here.  Wish
I would have checked things our better before I moved here.  Gotta get my
house and pool put back together before I can get out of AZ, but I am going
to get the H*** out of this rotten state.

Later
Keith


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:01:46 -0700
From: Keith Srb <herbie ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The Man!


At 05:39 AM 01/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:


> >  Well I can say a few things about dealing with the
> > man. First is fight for your constitutional rights.
> > Many of these so called "zoning laws" or "junk laws"
> > or whatever are simply NOT legal.
>
>  I've said it before, I'll say it again (for any
>newbies). Join an org like this one.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.covacvag.org/. I'll save the massive rant,
>you've all heard me before :-)
>
>                                OX

Thanks OX.

Anyone else know of any other groups like this???

Keith Srb



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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:18:24 -0600
From: John Strauss <jstrauss inetport.com>
Subject: The Man...


>Well, it depends. For the neighborhood associations you speak of, usually
>when you buy a house in one of these communities you have to agree to the
>covenents, so you know what you are getting into.
>
Not necessarily.  I am currently being sued by my HOA over a metal building
I started.  I live in a rural acreage subdivision and have 4 acres (made up
of 2 adjacent lots fenced as one).  I proposed a 40x60 metal building with
a 20x60 carport on one side.  The reason for the carport was it gave the
building the same basic shape as my house and the coloration would have
matched my house as well.  Now, the closest point of the building to the
road is 250 feet.  The deed restrictions say the Architechtural Control
Committee (ACC) must approve or disapprove any plans within 30 days or it
is assumed approved.  My ACC did not respond to me officially until ~75
days.  So I started construction at approximately 60 days.  Next thing I
know I've got a suit slapped on me and a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO)
to keep me from building further.  They claim they notified me of my plan
being disallowed by phone within the 30 days (they did not) and that it is
in violation because it is a) too big and b) oriented improperly with
regards to the street.  This was in November and we are still fighting it
out and headed for court eventually.

The point is that the things they say are wrong with my building are NOT in
the deed restrictions in so many words so you don't necessarily know what
you are getting into.  These are their *interpretations* of a clause that
says an outbuilding must be "harmonious".  So they can pretty much make up
what that means as they see fit.  Not to mention there are 5 other metal
buildings already up in my neighborhood that they are doing nothing about
but that does not seem to bother them.  Meanwhile I have a slab poured and
the building in pieces sitting on the slab waiting for assembly and all my
trucks and stuff out in the rain.  Nobody has said boo to me about the
trucks, tractor, boat, etc. sitting out in plain view but when I try to
construct something to hide and protect all that stuff then that is bad for
the neighborhood.  I reckon we will end up having a jury decide because
they have so far been unwilling to compromise.

Anyway, just wanted to respond that you do not always know what you are
getting into with neighborhood deed restrictions.
  _
_| ~~.  John Strauss
\, *_}  jstrauss inetport.com
  \(    Texas Fight!


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:21:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Sticker shock


> The Cam would cost me $325 and the lifters would cost me
>another $440.  They also recommend roller tip rockers and their
>springs and locks.  I didn't bother pricing the roller tipped rockers
>and the springs.

Welcome to the club, that's how I felt pricin out cams for my 4.6L... finally
found some later model ones that should work for $100 each, but they're not
very agressive compared with what you can get aftermarket ... $800 is about
the going price for a pair of aftermarket cams these days, there's only 2 companies
doing anything with them, so the prices are still high ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:37:17 -0800 (PST)
From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Man




At 11:03 AM 01/25/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> In fact the state is
> investigating these associations to see if they have
> too much power.

Good idea, it's almost like another layer of
completely unapproved/unelected government.

> but I am going
>to get the H*** out of this rotten state.

And go where? Honestly, I've often thought of
starting a car state friendly web site and "rate the
states". Seems like there is not too many places left
to go. I live in a fairly old development with a
decent amount of land (for NJ anyway, at least 1/2
acre) and no house currently next to me. So far, I
have not had any problems with any neighbors. the main
thing I have going for me (if you can call it that) is
the school system stinks here, so the power hungry
yuppies don't want to move here. Combine that with the
hisitics population (largest in the country outside of
brooklynn, NY) who drive worse cars than my parts
trucks in the back yard ;-) and I'm pretty safe, for
now.................


                          OX




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From: "Stephen Brown" <snoopytl1 centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Which Engine
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:01:55 -0800


O.K. I've checked around and got some prices, I can get a stock 390 long block for $1,040
from a (somewhat local) engine exchange place (but of course would still need, a better cam,
Edelbrock intake, headers, 4bbl carb, etc....  at $800+)
The local yard here (Eugene ,OR) says all of their running V8's are $600 (no matter the size or make).
when I add the price of a tranny (used) and all of the other mounting hardware etc.. I'm looking at about
the same cost.
THE BOSS put  a budget cap of $2000 on this adventure (that's still being debated as I write this  ;-)                          So that means, ether go with a used 460 setup, or a new semi-HP 390.
I'm leaning towards the 460 because it sounds like (from the posts I've read) the stock 460 is easier to
find parts for, and will have comparable power to a HP390.   Also, by getting another whole engine/trans
setup I could save the 360 & trans for my 68' F100 (which currently has a 240c.i. 6 in it...yuck!)

Thanks for all your opinions on this, I have a feeling you'll be hearing from me about this again in the
pretty near future.

Stephen Brown

71' F250   "Baby"
68' F100  (project)
94' Ranger Supercab 4.0


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Hydraulic lifts
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:43:15 -0600

Anne writes:  >> Actually so does the plow frame on my 85 bronco,
you cant belive the things I can lift up off the ground when I put a
chain to that there hydrolic lifter upper thing for the plow<<

Gary responds:  >>Just been thinking the same thing :-)  Stick a lift arm on there like an
engine hoist and keep the yard straightened up or pull fence posts etc<<

I'm sure both of you know this, but please always prop the vehicle with something
strong enough to hold it up prior to getting underneath it and wrenching on it.
Hydraulic lines do rupture on occasion, and when they do what ever that line is
pressureizing is nop longer under that pressure and down it comes..

I'm and old farmer and I'm speaking form experience.. Never got hurt, but got the
heck scared out of me..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:01:59 -0700
From: Keith Srb <herbie ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The Man



> > but I am going
> >to get the H*** out of this rotten state.
>
>  And go where? Honestly, I've often thought of
>starting a car state friendly web site and "rate the
>states".

That would be a good starting point.  But in AZ the Individual City's have
more to say about this than the State Does.  The county I live in, Emission
Tests Vehicles, while most other Counties don't.  If you live in Pinal
County, but commute to work in Maricopa County, guess what, you have to
have your vehicle emission tested.

>Seems like there is not too many places left
>to go. I live in a fairly old development with a
>decent amount of land (for NJ anyway, at least 1/2
>acre) and no house currently next to me. So far, I
>have not had any problems with any neighbors. the main
>thing I have going for me (if you can call it that) is
>the school system stinks here, so the power hungry
>yuppies don't want to move here. Combine that with the
>hisitics population (largest in the country outside of
>brooklynn, NY) who drive worse cars than my parts
>trucks in the back yard ;-) and I'm pretty safe, for
>now.................

I am going to move back to the midwest somewhere.  Somewhere where I can
find an old farm house on an acre or two of land surrounded by trees on all
sides to keep the neighbors from seeing into my place.



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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:47:29 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: The Man and Horses (?)




Keith Srb wrote:
...horses...


The only horses I care about are under the hood of my 351C
Unibody...(Trying to get back on track).

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:07:53 -0700
From: Keith Srb <herbie ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The Man and Horses (?)


At 08:47 AM 01/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:



>Keith Srb wrote:
>  ...horses...
>
>
>The only horses I care about are under the hood of my 351C
>Unibody...(Trying to get back on track).

I would care about the horses under the hood of the 66 (someday it will get
a blown 390) if I had a place to work on it.

Keith Srb


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:20:16 EST
Subject: Re: The Man

I say NV is the best for car owners.  They dont usually hassel you until you
have the street full of your parts cars.  Whats on your property is your
buisness.  Im pretty much in the thick of things in Las Vegas.  My neighbor
owns a wreckin yard, and if you didnt know better, youd swear it was in his
front yard.  My other neighbor restores old cars, and on the side, works on
all kinds of things.  AS of right now there is a Cadilac Limo between our
houses, a chevy wagon on the other side of his place, a 66 Tbird in the
driveway, a 67 Cadi chop top on the street, and 5, yes 5 mid 60's Lincoln
Conitinentals with those cool suicide doors.  The only car anyone bitched
about was this stripped out 65 Buick on flat tires.  But even then it wasn't
towed, they came over, talked with him, and worked out a viable solution.
The only vehicle they haven't let us keep stored here was our F-600 honey
wagon.  And thats because its a commercial vehicle.  Ok, enough of that, want
some real benfits?  If a car rusts here, there's a Yugo emblem on it
somewhere.  We dont pay state taxes.  No matter what you do for a living,
there are openings here.  We do not have many laws restricting Gun ownership.
It has been proven it is cheaper to eat out in vegas, than it is to eat in
in California.  Besides, I need another FTE'r here.  I think there's maybe 4
of us.

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:45:04 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: The Man




JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

>  It has been proven it is cheaper to eat out in vegas, than it is to eat in
> in California.  Besides, I need another FTE'r here.  I think there's maybe 4
> of us.

If it weren't for my career, I'd be there (or maybe Searchlight) just
for the cheap food and the gambling...I have heard some real horror
stories about your Metro police force, though...As far as eating and FTE
content, how about if you buy your meal in Vegas, jump into Tweety and
scoot on down to Route 66 in CA maybe Needles) and eat there...?  Then
you could enjoy an interesting dessert, too...

Excuse me...too many bad student papers today...

How about Reno?  What's the FTE situation there...Any
Reno-ites(Renoians?) online...?

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:13:31 -0600
Subject: Re: The Man
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> Besides, I need another FTE'r here.  I think there's maybe 4
> of us.

Come on, Darrell, you don't have that many people in the whole state. ;-).
Since Texas now has the distinction of being the second most populous state
in the Union, I fear that we are headed in the same direction as #1. I am
looking for some place to go when I retire. Nevada looks promising if I can
keep my 79 F150 and my Remington 1100. SWMBO already says she's game. After
mowing grass for 40 years, we are ready for a dirt yard.

-- John (One-Eyed Jack)
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hydraulic lifts
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:29:36 -0800

I will be real careful thank you or if I know a hose is going to blow I will make sure I have someone I really dislike under it!!!!  Annie
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Azie L. Magnusson
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 7:43 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Hydraulic lifts


 Anne writes:  >> Actually so does the plow frame on my 85 bronco,
 you cant belive the things I can lift up off the ground when I put a
 chain to that there hydrolic lifter upper thing for the plow<<

 Gary responds:  >>Just been thinking the same thing :-)  Stick a lift arm on there like an
 engine hoist and keep the yard straightened up or pull fence posts etc<<

 I'm sure both of you know this, but please always prop the vehicle with something
 strong enough to hold it up prior to getting underneath it and wrenching on it.
 Hydraulic lines do rupture on occasion, and when they do what ever that line is
 pressureizing is nop longer under that pressure and down it comes..

 I'm and old farmer and I'm speaking form experience.. Never got hurt, but got the
 heck scared out of me..

 Azie Magnusson
 Ardmore, Al.




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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:28:40 EST
Subject: Re: The Man


In a message dated 1/26/01 10:15:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:

<<  Nevada looks promising if I can
keep my 79 F150 and my Remington 1100 >>

Sure can, and according to Nevada law, the gun can be loaded and kept out of
sight, as your vehicle is an extension of your home.  Hows that for personal
freedom!? Also, only 2 of our counties require Smog test. Clark, which is
where Vegas, and I think Washoe which is around Reno.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Gary Tobolski" <garyt mediaone.net>
Subject: Engine won't start
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:10:41 -0500


Hello.  I have been rebuilding my 78 Bronco, and went to start it today.  It
will crank just fine, but it will not run.  I checked for spark at the coil,
and this was fine.  I then checked at the plugs.  There was spark, but not
as often as I expected.  The fuel pump and lines are new, so I doubt this is
a problem.  I am still running the stock ignition system from my 78 Bronco.
The engine is a 460 from an 86 F-250, and the starter is also from the
Bronco.  A couple of times, it sounded as if the starter was being kicked
backwards when I released the key.  After letting it sit for a little while,
and checking other things, the engine will no longer crank.  The battery has
plenty of power in it, but just to be sure I tried to jump t from my other
vehicle.  The solenoid just makes one click, and then nothing.  The one
other thing that seemed weird was that I could crank the engine from the
solenoid with no key in the ignition.  I got no spark, but I thought that
the engine wouldn't even crank like this.  Anyone have any suggestions for
things I should check?  Thanks.
Eric Tobolski
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:03:12 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Hydraulic lifts


I have a small farm tractor (Ford 1600) with a hyd. bucket on front.
Man, that thing is handy. I inherited it from my grandpa, a man who
could really tell some Ford stories. He was a Ford-Man since the Model A
days. Used the tractor today to pull a 360 out of a junker for a fellow
list member.

A heart breaking sight: Driving to work on the back road Wed. am, I came
up behind an odd looking "thing" on the side of the road. Was just light
enough so ya didn't really need your lights on. When I got closer I saw
it was a '78-9 Bronco totally burnt. I mean totally! Even the tires ...
nothing left but wires around the rims. Poor guy. A sorry sight, indeed.

Greg


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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:22:29 EST
Subject: Re: The Man and Horses (?)


In a message dated 1/26/01 8:48:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, dpearson ctc.edu
writes:

<< The only horses I care about are under the hood of my 351C >>

As much as I do care for the ponies under my hood, Chester, my real life
horse takes priority *ducking* LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS~*~*

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From: huston kudzumedia.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:22:38 -0500
Subject: Re: The Man & 66 F-100


My criteria for a place to live is I should be able to pee on at least
3/4 of the property without anyone being able to see. As for a web
site on car friendly states, it would have to be broken down into
cities & municipalities. Would be a useful site.

Just brought my new baby home today. The gas didn't give me a
problem. She drove fine. Had problems with the gear linkage and
will have to do something about that first thing. And the steering
needs a little work. But, I am a happy camper tonight. My wife even
likes it. She said it didn't look as bad as she thought it would.
Thanks to everyone who gave suggestions.

Virgil
>
> I am going to move back to the midwest somewhere.  Somewhere where I
> can find an old farm house on an acre or two of land surrounded by
> trees on all sides to keep the neighbors from seeing into my place.
>
>
>
>



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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Tranny Cooler
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:00:25 -0500 ....


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