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the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Wed, 24 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001 Issue: 024 In This Issue: Re: Free to a good home..... Re: Fuel Injected. Re: c-6 Re: Fuel Injected. Re: The man.... Re: Which engine Re: The man....plus 240 carbs Re: Which engine? Re: Which engine Re: Which engine? Re: Which engine? Re: The man.... Re: Which engine Re: Dual battery setup Re: Which engine Re: Fuel Injected. Tires for 78 F150 4X4 Re: Which engine Re: Tires for 78 F150 4X4 Re: Which engine? Re: zoning nazis Possible Fuel Problem? Gettin even Re: Possible Fuel Problem? Re: The man... Re: Possible Fuel Problem? Re: Tires for 78 F150 4X4 Re: Tires for 78 F150 4X4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: Free to a good home..... Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:58:44 -0600 Where are you located? Your name looks familiar, I'm pretty sure we've chatted before even :) I could use the front brake assembly. -Eric -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
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Subject: [61-79-list] Free to a good home..... I need to get rid of some stuff in my garage so that I can walk, the first items I have are front brake assy. including spindles from a '67 F100, this is a drum assy., I also have the front coil springs, if anyone needs these items let me know off list and they are yours. Chris Worley '67 F100 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:39:56 -0600 From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injected. Well, I am going to throw my nickel in on the conversation. I have, and I am running a bunch of different fuel injection systems on my vehicles. First I will start with the Holley system. It is loosely based on a stock GM throttle body set up. I have run the old (before the "DI") systems. The first 1 was on my Supercab (400, + .030, Performer cam, performer manifold, warmed over heads, stock compression). Loved the kit. Got 14 mpg whether I was empty or towing a car. Started right up even in the coldest days. Ran it for 5 years without a problem. Then on a trip to Kentucky (500 miles away) an injector went. It was squirting solid (more like dumping). Couldn't find any parts for it, had to switch back to a carb in an Autozone parking lot. Replaced the injector and could not get it to run right again. It now has a carb on it (soon to be an injected 460). Second system was on a bone stock 351M. Couldn't get it to run right from the beginning. Ran to rich etc. Still has the carb on it. Third system was a 4bbl version on a Ch# wrecker. It did not improve his mpg, but the driveablity is greatly improved. Been on for 6 years now with no problem. Now on to some of the my other systems. With the explosion of 5.0 parts out there there is great support for the fuel injection systems. The parts could care less what motor it is on, as long as the computer knows what the parameters of the motor are, (after market chips are a wonderful thing for changing these parameter). I have a 5.0 computer controlling a 514 in my bird (custom made intake), I have a 5.0 computer controlling a 460 in my Crew cab (stock 96 460 injection), and I am currently working on a system for the 400 in the Bronco. Once you actually sit down and look at the Ford injection, it is very easy. There is allot that can be removed. The small problem I am running into is that the injection system needs a single plane intake. There are only a couple of choices for the 400. As for the FE series, I don't know what is out there. There will be some fabrication needed (injector bungs, plenum to mount T/B to carb base) and some wiring (actually only about 8 wires from the factory 5.0 harness need to be attached to the truck, 2 for oil and water temp gauge, 1 for ground, 1 for fuel pump, 2 for main power, 1 for switched power, and 1 for the starter circuit). The only major problem I can foresee in using stock pieces is that most injection units use a pickup in the distributor. I have not tried to swap the inard to another distributor, so I don't know if that will work. Sorry for being so long winded. Good luck Steve S. 54 F-100 76 F-350 Crew cab 77 F-250 Supercab 79 Bronco http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:46:50 -0600 From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: c-6 So far I have come across 4 different tailshafts. A very short (splines started after the govenor) out of a 79 4x4 which had a 205 bolted to it. 2 were meduim length (1 was about 8" after the govenor 4x4 with a 205 bolted to it, the other was about 12", 2wd, both trucks and cars, but mostly 335 or 385 series), and a real long one (about 14-15" after the govenor, out of a Lincoln with a 460). It is a pain when you need the other tailshaft in the tranny that you need to use. Steve S. 54 F-100 76 F-350 Crew cab 77 F-250 Supercab 79 Bronco http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/ > Yeah, but at our age it will all be gone in a day or so.....:-) I > understand that there are more than just one length of tail shaft for these, > besides the long and short I mean?? I used one that already had the adapter > on it so didn't have to fool with finding the right tail shaft or housing. > When the tail housing broke though I had to find another one and I used the > first one I found and it worked. I wonder if these variations have to do > with the fact that the C-6 was used for so many applications, small block, > FE and big block etc.?? Perhaps it has to do with later years using the 208 > transfer case? Or is there a difference due to using the 203 case? Wonder > if there is a book on this stuff? > > -- > Happily Retired (but broke) > Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injected. Now on to some of the my other systems. With the explosion of 5.0 parts out there there is great support for the fuel injection systems. The parts could care less what motor it is on, as long as the computer knows what the parameters of the motor are, (after market chips are a wonderful thing for changing these parameter). Even better than chips is this. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.iwantperformance.net/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions.htm. Avail with datalogging now. I have not installed mine yet, but I'm going to send it back and have it upgraded for datalogging before I do. OX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:48:10 -0500 From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The man.... At 01:39 PM 1/24/01 -0500, you wrote: >The man... I have the following in my yard: The three cars in my sig, a Jeep Grand Wagoneer, a Jeep Cherokee SJ, 2 Jeep CJ's, a 92 Maxima, a 91 Chevy S-10, a 85 Dodge W-150, a 85 Nissan 200SX, 87 Pontiac Sunbird, a 60's Buick Lesabre, a 73 T-bird, a 60's Dodge Monaco, a 85 Bronco II, a 72 VW Karmann Ghia, a 50's Cadillac, a 92 Isuzu P'up (soon to be traded for a 70 Ford F-100,) a 19' Boat and 2 Lawn tractors. Of those, 7 run, 5 could run/are being repaired, and 7 are derelict flood victims (from Floyd) and 3 are parts cars. Neighbors never say anything to me, but people stop by all the time to ask about vehicles not for sale, never want the ones that are for sale. Wow, I need to lose some cars, I didn't realize I was starting a recycling center here! I'm going to see if the junkyard up the street from me will trade me the cab I need (matches the bed I already got from him,) once it gets a bit warmer, for my truck for the 7 flood victims, he sold me the good bed for $100, so I think that's a reasonable trade, they usually pay $75 a scrap car around here, provided you take it to the yard (which will be no problem, only 3/4 mile up the street, I can drag the derelicts through the dirt if I have to.) George Selby 78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd 86 Nissan 300ZX 92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:14:03 GMT Subject: Re: Which engine > Motor for motor, the more cubes, the less compression >you need to make the same power. Less compression >equals the ability to use reg gas, which is >substantially cheaper than premium and that is a huge >issue when your getting 10 MPG. > You're completely ignoring cam specs and head design in this equation, but if all you change is displacement (not heads or anything else), then you are technically correct. > How easy is 428 stuff to find? Honestly I don't know. >I don't recall ever seeing one advertised for sale, I have, I didn't say it was easy to find, just that I'd helped put one in before ... actually I can find the stuff I need, but my Uncle won't let me take it ;) >can get 3-4 running 460's within a couple hours >driving distance for 700$ or less. Anything less than >the 428, it's hardly a fair fight, 70 cubes is huge. > Uhm ... I can pick up just as many 390's probably, but the running condition is the problem, half of them will smoke, I'm sure the other half you'd have no idea what was wrong with it, I'd guess the same to be true for 460's, lots of people think "OOHHH 460, I can race anyone with that" >> If we're really that bad off, why can a 281 cu. in. >car of today kick the crap >> out of a 400+ cu. > >Not in torque and not at the same RPM. > Uhm ... excuse me ? The numbers may not appear the same, but I'll bet if you compare them all on the same scale you'd be surprised how close they are ... > Mine's a 95 460, but hardly rated as power a house
>245 HP. I can't se how you could get less Hp ina 460, >honestly :-) Put a carb on it and dumb it down a bit ... remember too that's SAE Net number, not the gross number of yesteryear ... the fuel injection has let the cams come back up to where the motor can breathe and run cleanly at the same time, not quite the same effect as putting a 78 460 into your truck with nothing more than a rebuild ... > Not exactly sure what a 95, F250, 3.55 >gear, E4OD trans, ext cab, 4X4, with 8' bed, cap, 3 >alum boxes, side steps, rubber mat and some tools >weighs, but my G-tech'd times are at the bottom of >this post. I'd use 1/4 mile time as I've found MPH to >read high when I used G-tech at the track. > Quite a bit I'm sure, depending what's int he boxes and such. I found a scale around here that's just off the beaten path but you can drive over to check the weights, looked like 5100lbs for my truck with most of a tank of gas and my fat rear in the seat. > What did it run, what does it weigh, what gear are >you running, and what is done to the motor? > See above. The motor has around 10:1 compression or so we're guessing (can't run it on 89 octane without dumping some timing), its cammed, with a Galaxie intake on it ... yes you read that right, no headers or anything on it, just dual exhaust with super turbo's. The carb's not tuned quite right yet and I just got the ignition sorted out on the point's side of things ... seems like I was a shade over 17 or 17.5 when I ran it last year without any fine tuning. Oh yeah C6, 4x4, 3.50 gears, regular cab, long bed, one tank. > Agree with that, probably cheapest thing to do is >convert to 390 and 390 cubes is nothing to sneeze at >:-). That in itself was a huge jump for me, but no before/after numbers on it because didn't have the g-tech before ... Are those 95 460's roller blocks ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: "D. DiMartino" <grunon yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The man....plus 240 carbs I can't hold back... CLEAN UP YOUR ACTS! FTE: I'm getting ready to rebuild my stock carb on my 240 ONE barrel. I've never done this, what does a typical kit come with? Jets, gaskets instructions? ===== Daniel DiMartino <grunon yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Which engine? Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:42:31 -0800 Uhhhhh, seems to me I already kind of implied that? I wasn't preaching the 460 so much as pointing out that with poor gas, more cubes is the cheaper way to fly and I'll stand by that statement. Yes you can do all the things you say but at what cost? Put that same amount of cash into a 460 and you will simply have more motor any way you slice it :-) I dare say also that my bronco will eat my bird for breakfast (if I could shift the 435 fast enough that is (perhaps if it had a wide ratio C-6 in it) :-)). I don't play with numbers, it's not important to me. What I feel in my britches is what I care about and as long as it's "Adequate" it's OK by me:-) Numbers are just hot air most of the time. Spout 'em all you want but they don't impress me....mainly because they usually don't mean anything in the real world. Put two engines on the same dyno with the same operator on the same day and I'll take the data to mean something, as a comprison between those two runs, but nothing more than that. Old numbers and new numbers don't traslate to anything meaningful so why even bother with it? If I can pass traffic and blow off most all idiots who want to race without sweating too much then I'm happy. Don't know what HP that takes and don't care....when I get the engine to do it I will know it and I will be quite happy :-) Build it the way that turns you on and within your budget and let it go. One day you will have enough experience to build it just the way you want and may be able to come close on the first try if you do the research. Info from this list, including Bill's posts, is usefull for this as well :-) Just remember that according to the "Skirvin Scale" (Ox knows what I mean :-)) a roller block 460 is worth 500 HP even if you just bolt it in the bed and never start it :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > preaching either > as gospel is just stupid in my book, each situation will have to > be considered > individually, and you'll have to look at what you want to do. > Weigh all the > options and look at things for yourself. > > Just my $.02 > wish ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Which engine > >can get 3-4 running 460's within a couple hours > >driving distance for 700$ or less. Anything less than > >the 428, it's hardly a fair fight, 70 cubes is huge. > > > > Uhm ... I can pick up just as many 390's probably, but the running condition > is the problem, half of them will smoke, I'm sure the other half you'd have > no idea what was wrong with it, I'd guess the same to be true for 460's, No, that would be the 1-200$, 460's. :-) 700$ will buy you a decently running motor round here. lots > of people think "OOHHH 460, I can race anyone with that" True, but not sure what that has to do with it? > >> If we're really that bad off, why can a 281 cu. in. > >car of today kick the crap > >> out of a 400+ cu. > > > >Not in torque and not at the same RPM. > > > > Uhm ... excuse me ? The numbers may not appear the same, but I'll bet if you > compare them all on the same scale you'd be surprised how close they are ... 281 C.I. will not make 400 ft-lb of torque 2000
RPM, no matter what scale you use. > > Mine's a 95 460, but hardly rated as power a house
> >245 HP. I can't se how you could get less Hp ina 460, > >honestly :-) > > Put a carb on it and dumb it down a bit . A carb would free up some HP the way they tune factory EFI. Look at the 85 and 87 mustangs (86 had bastard heads). 85 had 215 HP and 87 has 225 HP. 87 had true duals, 85 single. No increase really. .. remember too that's SAE Net number, > not the gross number of yesteryear ... the fuel injection has let the cams come > back up to where the motor can breathe and run cleanly at the same time, not > quite the same effect as putting a 78 460 into your truck with nothing more > than a rebuild ... What was HP/TQ on 78 460? What were cam specs? > > Not exactly sure what a 95, F250, 3.55 > >gear, E4OD trans, ext cab, 4X4, with 8' bed, cap, 3 > >alum boxes, side steps, rubber mat and some tools > >weighs, but my G-tech'd times are at the bottom of > >this post. I'd use 1/4 mile time as I've found MPH to > >read high when I used G-tech at the track. > > > > Quite a bit I'm sure, depending what's int he boxes and such. I found a scale > around here that's just off the beaten path but you can drive over to check > the weights, looked like 5100lbs for my truck with most of a tank of gas and > my fat rear in the seat. > > > What did it run, what does it weigh, what gear are > >you running, and what is done to the motor? > > > > See above. The motor has around 10:1 compression or so we're guessing (can't > run it on 89 octane without dumping some timing), its cammed, with a Galaxie > intake on it ... yes you read that right, no headers or anything on it, just > dual exhaust with super turbo's. The carb's not tuned quite right yet and I > just got the ignition sorted out on the point's side of things ... seems like > I was a shade over 17 or 17.5 when I ran it last year without any fine tuning. > Well, thats 205 HP at the wheels. > Oh yeah C6, 4x4, 3.50 gears, regular cab, long bed, one tank. > > > Agree with that, probably cheapest thing to do is > >convert to 390 and 390 cubes is nothing to sneeze at > >:-). > > That in itself was a huge jump for me, but no before/after numbers on it because > didn't have the g-tech before ... > > Are those 95 460's roller blocks ? Not sure, did 460 ever go roller? OX -- 78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44 boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869
(street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5 SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it). 79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3
40, pulling boat, 19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)
__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Which engine? Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:59:44 -0800 Ok, I see the problem.....I said "a little more power". That is all relative. Obviously you can get considerably more power from a 390 than a 360 without going to a lot of trouble but.....you can get a lot more power from the same investment in a 460.....that was the point. Subtract the cost of the swap, including the tranny and you may break even at some point but once the swap is done the potential will aways be there for later mods where the 390 will already be pretty much tapped out without going to exotic stuff like fuel additives etc... I'm not "Preaching" either method, just pointing out the potentials. I like to build on things slowly, setting up a platform to work from. I don't like to throw anything away or start over from scratch for the next upgrade. If I, personally, wanted more power and the platform was viable I would opt for the "Stock" 460 swap in my first budget bash and build on it afterward which is what I've done with my pickup. You can do the same thing by building the ultimate 390, probably for about the same amount of cash but you will always be working with technology that is trying to fly away and it will only get harder to get parts as time goes on so you have to make choices based on your own situation and personality. I'm lazy and don't want to hunt for parts so I did it that way. Bill has more energy so he does it his way. To each his own, eh? Who knows, the flat head had come back so you can buy the whole engine now........:-) (course they aren't cheap :-)) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > If, OTOH, you just want a "Little" more power then the cheapest way might > well be to rebuild the 360 into a 390. ------------------------------ From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Which engine? Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:32:28 -0800 > My wife just gave me the go ahead to get a new (rebuilt) engine for > my '71 F250 . It currently has the stock 360 , but I want something bigger. I use the truck for daily > driving and an occasional burnout...or two..;-) > My question is, Would it be worth the added cost of switching everything over to accommodate a 460 > or should I build my 360 into a HP 390 ? Would there be a noticeable difference between the two > engines during normal driving conditions? > > Your expert opinions on this would be great....Thanks. > > Stephen Brown > > 71' F250 "Baby" > 68' F100 (project) > 94' Ranger Supercab 4.0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From your discription of how you will be using the truck, I'd have to suggest that you rebuild your stock 360 into a HP 390. If you're not going to need the strength of a 460, then why trouble yourself with the extra cost and time required to build & install it into your 71 F250? Converting your 360 into a HP 390 would be simple, inexpensive, and should provide you with plenty of power for the "daily driving & occasional burnout or two". I've recently done a 360 2v into 390 4v conversion and can honestly say there was a noticeable difference. It was about 1,000 miles after the rebuild/conversion when I removed the entire stock exhaust system and replaced it with full length Hooker Comp headers with high flow exhaust. There was another noticeable difference after the exhaust improvements. Michael 69 F250 390 4V, T18, 3.54 LS 69 F250 390 4V, C6, 4.11 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/myth/ford/ ------------------------------ From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: Re: The man.... Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:05:01 -0700 -----Original Message----- Subject: [61-79-list] Re: The man.... Sometimes it's not so much complaints from the neighbors as it is from the wife. When I got married nearly 6 years ago I had three VW buses ('56, '63, & '70), two bugs ('68, & '72), a '65 Cadillac, and a ski boat (sorry- wasn't into fords yet). 6 months after the wedding, we were down to only my wife's '86 Plymouth Horizon (man, I hated that car - what a POS). The things some people (read I) will do for a woman. Since then, she's been somewhat more understanding- I've gone through a number of different projects (cars, trucks, boats) since that time, and I'm currently trying to find an acceptable location for my 'new' '64 Cadillac convertible (SWMBO hates this one more than all the others). FTE content- She won't admit it, but she does like the '79 f250 supercab- having a hard time keeping her right foot out of that 460. Sorry for the rambling. -Randy '79 F250 Supercab, 460 ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:20:20 GMT Subject: Re: Which engine >No, that would be the 1-200$, 460's. :-) 700$ will buy >you a decently running motor round here. > Must be nice ... sheesh, you'd think things like that were made out of gold around here ... they wanted $500+ for a 360 that smoked from the savlage yard here, don't even bother asking about anything bigger than that, the dirt trackers have grabbed it already. >lots >> of people think "OOHHH 460, I can race anyone with >that" > >True, but not sure what that has to do with it? > That most of them are beat on and not really in that great of condition even if they do run ... > A carb would free up some HP the way they tune >factory EFI. Only if you tune the carb exactly right ... that's the advantage of EFI, throw a chip on it to compare it with a perfectly tuned carb ... EFI isn't tuned for peak performance because of the fuel quality issues, and the tendancy of people to beat on things harder than they realize, so they keep a factor of safety built into it. Lots of guys are getting bit by getting the factor too small on their aftermarket chip, it warms up a bit and suddenly they've got detonation and pretty soon they've >Look at the 85 and 87 mustangs (86 had >bastard heads). 85 had 215 HP and 87 has 225 HP. 87 >had true duals, 85 single. No increase really. > Speed density and batchfire injection, don't even start that one ... there was also a change in the way they calculated those numbers as the years went on, I find it hard to believe that changing to Mass-air and SEFI didn't net any horsepower, nor did any of the 4 cam changes they went through ... they just stuck that 225 on there 'cause it sounded good. >What was HP/TQ on 78 460? What were cam specs? > No clue, I just randomly picked an emissions 460 ... >Well, thats 205 HP at the wheels. > Not bad for a C6 i suppose, seems like that's about what we calculated it out to be ... it seems stronger now, but like I said I didn't tune it up for that run. >> Are those 95 460's roller blocks ? > >Not sure, did 460 ever go roller? > Dunno, that's why I asked ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:29:19 -0700 From: "William Whited (Tony)" <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Dual battery setup I haven't traced the cables yet, the head back towards the master cylinder. I'm on the road now, so I will check when I get back. Thanks for the info and any more that you have. David Lindenmayer wrote: > does the place for the other battery have a solenoid that the battery > cable hot goes to,like the starter solenoid but on the fender or firewall, > if so then it is for the camper and charges when the truck is running but > not for starting the truck. I have a 77 e350 motor home and that is the > way it is set up hope this helps > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Whited (Tony)" <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>; "perf-list" <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:41 PM > Subject: [61-79-list] Dual battery setup > > > > > On my Super Camper Special, it has the set-up for dual battery's the > > left battery is not in it, it has the the terminals and cables, mounts > > and brackets for it I was wondering is that battery is just for the > > Camper or will it be charged and used like a 2nd battery? Thanks > > > > -- > > William (Tony) Whited > > 74 F350 Ranger XLT Super Camper Special 460 > > 77 F150 Custom 460 > > El Paso, TX > > Semper Fi > > > > -- William (Tony) Whited 74 F350 Ranger XLT Super Camper Special 460 77 F150 Custom 460 El Paso, TX Semper Fi ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Which engine Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:11:14 -0800 > Speed density and batchfire injection, don't even start that one ... , > I find it hard to believe that changing to Mass-air and SEFI 86 5.0 HO's were SEFI with speed density. The change from Speed Density to Mass Air didn't do anything for power, because it really didn't change any of the running characteristics of the motor, just the way it monitored air flow, mass, and temperature. > >Not sure, did 460 ever go roller? The 460 never had a roller cam from the factory. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke '77 F150 4WD 429 "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injected. Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:19:27 -0800 > Now on to some of the my other systems. With the explosion of 5.0 parts > out there there is great support for the fuel injection systems. The > parts could care less what motor it is on, as long as the computer knows > what the parameters of the motor are, (after market chips are a > wonderful thing for changing these parameter). The stock Mustang Mass Air system is very flexible as far as modifications, and adding cubic inches. Even without computer changes they work pretty well. Although, with a chip or EEC-Tuner they can be made even better. > I have a 5.0 > computer controlling a 460 in my Crew cab (stock 96 460 injection) I'd like to hear more about this. With the difficulty of finding Mass Air 460's in wrecking yards around here (and the abundance of 5.0 system parts that I have), this could work good for what I want to do. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke '77 F150 4WD 429 "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:02:35 -0600 From: Kirk Baillie <kbaillie home.com>
Subject: Tires for 78 F150 4X4 What are the largest size of tires I can put on a 78 F150 4X4 (stock), I currently have 31's on there now, are 33's possible??? ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Which engine Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:58:02 -0800 Which remindes me....the 460 has stock heads that already flow pretty well except for the exhaust bumps and as someone else said "Flat ports" but it has something most other designs don't seem to have. The wedge head design happens to work very well in the 460 for some reason and you can push it further than most engines before running into spark knock problems so it lends itself to more compression rather easily. Now throw in a cam designed to just keep it puring well at 1500 rpm but really come on the pipe at say.....4500 instead of 3000 rpm and you can run even more static compression for better low end performance. You still get gobs of low end torque because the engine is simply a brute, it has the cubes to get it done even when the cam isn't quite on the pipe which makes it an ideal engine to play with in a heavy vehicle like our trucks. I know of at least one fellow who is running 12:1 with no knocking but he is also running a higher stall converter and it idles higher than normal due to the cam he's using but he claim it pulls pretty well even down low. What "Pretty Well" is I guess is up to each person but I know that a 351C does not, in my opinion, pull well down low, nor does a sick 460 (mis-tuned, stupid Holley) with too much load and tall gearing (close ratio C-6) so it's all relative. I have no idea where it will wind up but my next cam will be a roller with something over .600 lift and more duration than my current one, which is a .520 lift and rather tame duration, and I will be shooting for some compression as well. Since I'm no expert on this I will do some research and talk to some cam people about how the cam will mitigate the static compression at low rpms under load to reduce spark knock and go from there but I've decided that it will be a roller in any case......just because :-) Before I die I want to build a really nice roller 460 just to get Jerry's 500 hp gain :-) When I get down to FL I'll have to show it off :-) (Private joke) BTW, Ox....I haven't seen Jerry's posts? I'm off the bronco list right now due to my IP using ORBS and Moab being on their spam list but before Jason cut me off, when I got a little mail I didn't see any of his? Is he OK? -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > > Motor for motor, the more cubes, the less compression > >you need > > You're completely ignoring cam specs and head design in this > equation, but if > all you change is displacement (not heads or anything else), then > you are technically > correct. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Tires for 78 F150 4X4 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:59:57 -0800 33's fit broncos easily with no rubbing. I believe the 150's have the same front end? On my 2wd I had to lift it because of the width, not the diameter in the rear. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > What are the largest size of tires I can put on a 78 F150 4X4 (stock), I > currently have 31's on there now, are 33's possible??? ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Which engine? Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:16:02 -0800 Let me rephrase that: I was refering to the compression issue which would require fuel additives or exotic fuels to over come as being prohibitively expensive for every day driving:-) Blowers and turbos both may not be as finicky about knocking due to the fact that they typically don't produce a lot of boost at low rpms under loads etc..so may not really be much of an issue but most builders do make blower engines with lower compression too. Again I have little experience in that area, only research and reading and comments from various ones who do have experience. What's really tricky about it is that two engines can use identical components and one will knock and the other won't so you have to allow some margin to be sure.....Maybe this one is using a stick and that one an auto etc.. It all plays into the picture somewhere which is what makes it kind of fun to figure out :-) That's why my truck won't be exactly like yours, nor should it be :-) Even when we use the same words to describe what we want in a truck we may actually have different pictures in our heads which I think is still pretty cool :-) I think we all agree that today's pump gas requires some serious consideration when building a daily driver engine, eh? That's my "Opinion" in any case :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > >the low octane of today's fuels. Any other approach becomes too > expensive > > >to drive every day. > > > > Gee no opinions in there ... ------------------------------ From: DWeaver232 aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:12:36 EST Subject: Re: zoning nazis I go through this about every two years. Someone new moves into the neighborhood and decides that they need to clean it up. Now granted most of the houses in my hood were built by the owner himself with leftover packing crates when Remington geared up its Denver plant for WWII. A nice poor white trash hood where most people have piles of building materials laying around and non-running cars. The guy across the street from me had a 302 hanging from a tree that he pulled from a Maveric. My kind of neighbors, I'll fit right in, let's buy this house honey. That engine sat in that tree for 3 years before he put it into his early Bronco halfcab. So the object here is to get even. These people have to much free time on their hands. Give them something to do. Besides jogging in their spandex running outfits. Start collecting weed seeds and throw them into their yards. Dandelion seeds are one of the best since they come up first in the spring and have such nice yellow flowers. Others types will add variety and increase methods required for that anal-retentive front yard. Rolling seeds into snowballs, then delivering in a spring storm is most effective. If your significant other gardens you can tell them that the dandelions are needed for the wild honeybees. So remember don't get mad get even. I don't care what you do in your yard except for a few things: Try not to use the air tools all the time after 10 pm with the garage door open, I do understand that sometimes you need to fix the race car, give me a call I'll lend a hand. DO NOT dump your toxic chemicals onto the ground, some of us have wells. If you are running a speed lab, keep it small so when it goes boom it takes out only your place. If you have a dog, take care of it, if it gets loose if I don't shoot someone else around here that has chickens will. Terry Weaver with a coffee can fill of weedseeds ------------------------------ From: huston kudzumedia.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:27:46 -0500 Subject: Possible Fuel Problem? I am getting ready to go pick up the 66 F-100 I recently bought, which is about 160 miles away. Although it needs some work, from what I can tell, I should have no problem driving it home. It runs good, brakes are working, etc. It has been sitting for some time and I am concerned about old fuel and possibly condensation. Does the fact that it ran OK for the short time I checked it out mean I should have no problem? Or, could I have an unexpected problem down the road? Is there an additive I can put in the tank just in case or something else I could do? Thanks, Virgil ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:16:37 EST Subject: Gettin even Just a tip I picked up. If said neighbor causin trouble is any bit of mechanically inclined, a small amount of used oil, dribbled on the spot they usually park (right after they leave is best) I watched a guy tear the whole front end of his 350 off tryin to find "the leak," Ended up goin to the shop cuz tardo broke some bolts off in the block. If anyone wants to know why I felt this guy deserved this, email me off list, I'm more than happy to explain it. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:18:03 EST Subject: Re: Possible Fuel Problem? Id siphon out the old gas, and put fresh stuff in, along with a bottle of carb cleaner. But if it runs for the first 15 min, I dont forsee much goin nutso after that. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:25:38 EST Subject: Re: The man... In a message dated 1/23/01 12:11:42 PM Central Standard Time, herbie ford-trucks.com writes:
> Your not alone. I have to play stupid little games with the Police > Department and the City Zoning Jerks. Even though my trucks are Insured, > License and Running, I have to move them around at least once a week to > keep the police and neighbors from thinking they are "abandoned". If I try > to park any of them along the side of my house in the yard, I get a nice > letter from the Zoning Jerks telling me they have to be parked on an > Like Virgil said I guess you have to live in the country or live in a small town in up state NY wher thier is no one really to complain. Niceties of living in a real small town. Glenn NY 78 F-250 (talk about projects and headaches) ------------------------------ From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:09:42 EST Subject: Re: Possible Fuel Problem? Just my thoughts but if I was going to drive that distance and every thing else checked out allright I would bring along 3-4 fuel filters (inline of course) couse you dont know what's going to be stirred up when the truck starts bouncing down the road. Good luck on your trip Virgil Glenn NY 78 F-250 (talk about projects and headaches) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:14:30 -0800 .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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