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61-79-list Digest Tue, 23 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 022

In This Issue:
Re: Cams
The man...
Re: Oxygenated fuel, Compression and tuning
Re: Engine rake
Re: The man...
Re: The man...
Parting out '79 F-250 4x4
Re: The man...
Re: The man...
Cam Info
Re: The man...
Hi again.
Re: The man...
Re: Yo-Yo Science
Re: The man...
Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudeness
Re: The man...
Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudeness
Re: The man...
Re: Atmospheric Oxygen
Re: The man... & Albuquerque, NM
Re: 73-79 F250s
Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudenes
Re: The man... & Albuquerque, NM
Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudeness
Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudenes
New Acquisition - 1970
Re: The man...
Re: 73-79 F250s
Re: 73-79 F250s

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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Cams
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:50:39 -0800


I'm no expert Az but my next one will be a roller if I can find someone to
build what I want.  So far most of them have been somewhat too race oriented
for what I want but the basics are high lift and moderate duration and,
especially, shorter ramping which can be easily achieved with rollers.  I
also like the "Jerry Skirvin" HP rating you get with them, should boost it
at least 300 Hp based on his tables :-) (that's a bronco joke, Az).

If I understand it all correctly, by using higher lift AND moderate duration
you get good filling at low speeds but still have enough duration for higher
rpms as well.  The shorter ramp time of the rollers adds to low rpm filling
as well so it would seem that the correct grind in a roller would have
nothing but advantages (except for the cost).  Sounds like the perfect motor
home cam to me :-)

I know what you mean about keeping it for a while too.  My first 460 is
still with me and runs pretty well and I plan to resurect it with new
internals for the bronco some day.  "Old Fords never die, they just go
faster":-)  Had that on a T shirt once :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> I'm currently building a 460 from a '77 F350 Supercab and need some
> opinions( now does that open the floor up or what)..  I'd like it to build
> its max torque in the 1800-3500 rpm range and be fairly flat over that
> range  (cruise and passing ranges), but I'd also like it to still
> be fairly
> strong up to the 5000 - 5500 range.


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From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>
Subject: The man...
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:55:32


I was going about my boring day a work today when I get a call from my
frantic wife telling me to get home right away, that they were towing my
truck.  WHAT!!! well even if I could leave right away I wouldn't get home
for another 30mins and they would already be gone.  It seems that someone in
my neighborhood has complained that my truck is sticking out in the road and
is "unsightly", so why haven't they done anything until now, the truck has
been sitting in my driveway with the frame off for a year now.  I called the
city and convinced them to give me 10 days to move it "out of the street",
the guy in the office told me that the truck must show progress or be
inspected and running.  PROGRESS, if they want to see progress come and ask
me to open my garage doors and they will see an allmost complete frame, it
is getting harder and harder for us to work on and upkeep our trucks without
pissing off at least one of our neihbors, why can't people just mind their
own business and stay out of mine.  Well thanks for letting me rant and
rave.....



Chris Worley
'67 F100 saved from impound
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel, Compression and tuning
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:57:13 -0800


Say, I'm glad someone remembered where this all came from :-)  O2 content
has nothing to do with compression or how the engine will respond to it.
The tune of the intake and exhaust along with the cam design will dictate
that.  You simply bring the tune back to match what ever O2 content there is
and make it run.  You can see this at drags where they have to reformulate
the fuel for every single run, even changing it during the same day as
conditions change.  They don't change the engine compression, just the fuel
mixture among other tune issues :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Now to try to bring this back on topic, do you really think that a nominal
> .03% reduction of atmospheric O2 in Tasmania is going to affect
> the ability
> to increase the compression ratio of a truck engine which is how you
> originally started this little discussion?


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Engine rake
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:58:41 -0800


Ok, I was thinking dirt track, low budget or local drags etc..... :-)  The
principle was the same though :-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Really serious racers use dry sump pans and remote oil reserves
> containers..    Don't they???
>
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.
>
>


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From: "Arnie and his F250 G" <arny_f250 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The man...
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:05:20 -0600


About the same thing has happened to me.  My son's 75 was in the driveway,
we had just pulled the engine and trany.  Less than a week there is a notice
that it has to go.  And that if it is "found" in the driveway within a year
a substanial ticket would be issued.

Arny


From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>
Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] The man...
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:55:32


I was going about my boring day a work today when I get a call from my
frantic wife telling me to get home right away, that they were towing my
truck.  WHAT!!! well even if I could leave right away I wouldn't get home
for another 30mins and they would already be gone.  It seems that someone in
my neighborhood has complained that my truck is sticking out in the road and
is "unsightly", so why haven't they done anything until now, the truck has
been sitting in my driveway with the frame off for a year now.  I called the
city and convinced them to give me 10 days to move it "out of the street",
the guy in the office told me that the truck must show progress or be
inspected and running.  PROGRESS, if they want to see progress come and ask
me to open my garage doors and they will see an allmost complete frame, it
is getting harder and harder for us to work on and upkeep our trucks without
pissing off at least one of our neihbors, why can't people just mind their
own business and stay out of mine.  Well thanks for letting me rant and
rave.....



Chris Worley
'67 F100 saved from impound
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: The man...
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:11:29 -0800


I know what you mean.  I had to get rid of a 48 Packard I was going to
restore because a neighbor complained.  Never mind that the township
supervisor has the messiest yard in the township but he also is zoned
agricultural so is allowd to have "Equipment" in his yard, go figure :-(

It turns out that the constables don't act unless someone complains.  My
neighbor complained....

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> the guy in the office told me that the truck must show progress or be
> inspected and running.  PROGRESS, if they want to see progress
> come and ask
> me to open my garage doors and they will see an allmost complete
> frame, it
> is getting harder and harder for us to work on and upkeep our
> trucks without
> pissing off at least one of our neihbors, why can't people just
> mind their
> own business and stay out of mine.  Well thanks for letting me rant and
> rave.....


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From: Ford4WDSuprCab79 aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:31:48 EST
Subject: Parting out '79 F-250 4x4


Anybody interested in buying a '79 F-250 4x4 with me to part out?

Basic specs include a 351M/400, manual trans, transfer case, et el.

I just want the axles.

Sheet metal is rough, but the interior could have some usable parts.

Asking price is $500 for the whole truck. Email me ASAP if you're interested
and to see if we can come to an agreement on the price division.

Thanks.

-Dale
COLUMBUS OHIO

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:37:17 -0500
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: The man...




This happened to a guy in Augusta, GA, a few months ago and it made
the news. He had three vechicles and was poor. They took them away. He had
to have them running and couldn't afford it. I can't remember what he had,
but I remember thinking that a couple of them were classic cars. Thank
goodness I live in the country. The only one who complains is my wife and
she is pretty good about my habit of having more nonrunning vechicles than I
can work on.

Virgil
getting the "new" 66 F-100 on Friday


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:12:54 -0700
From: Keith Srb <herbie ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The man...


Your not alone.  I have to play stupid little games with the Police
Department and the City Zoning Jerks.  Even  though my trucks are Insured,
License and Running, I have to move them around at least  once a week to
keep the police and neighbors from thinking they are "abandoned".  If I try
to park any of them along the side of my house in the yard, I get a nice
letter from the Zoning Jerks telling me they have to be parked on an
Improved, Dust Free Surface.  In the Middle of the AZ Desert, a dust free
surface, give me a break!  I have people in my neighborhood whos' front
yards that are nothing but dirt, no grass, no trees or shrubs.  The City
doesn't have any rules against that!

Adding to the Rant and trying not to get P***ed O**.  But it's not working.

Thanks for listening
Keith Srb
1990 Four Winns 20' Boat
1980 Harley Davidson
1966 Ford F-100
1975 Ford F-250
1986 Bronco II
2000 Ford Ranger

He who dies with the most toys wins.  Not in Mesa, AZ.

At 04:55 PM 01/23/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>I was going about my boring day a work today when I get a call from my
>frantic wife telling me to get home right away, that they were towing my
>truck.  WHAT!!! well even if I could leave right away I wouldn't get home
>for another 30mins and they would already be gone.  It seems that someone in
>my neighborhood has complained that my truck is sticking out in the road and
>is "unsightly", so why haven't they done anything until now, the truck has
>been sitting in my driveway with the frame off for a year now.  I called the
>city and convinced them to give me 10 days to move it "out of the street",
>the guy in the office told me that the truck must show progress or be
>inspected and running.  PROGRESS, if they want to see progress come and ask
>me to open my garage doors and they will see an allmost complete frame, it
>is getting harder and harder for us to work on and upkeep our trucks without
>pissing off at least one of our neihbors, why can't people just mind their
>own business and stay out of mine.  Well thanks for letting me rant and
>rave.....
>
>
>
>Chris Worley
>'67 F100 saved from impound
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://explorer.msn.com
>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:33:50 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: Cam Info


Azie:  I used a Lunati HI 271 cam in a 400 engined 79 FWD shortbed.
      Pulled like mad right off idle and kept pulling to about 4500 or
so.  May not be around any more as I understand Holley or somebody
bought them out.
FWIW  Al

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From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: The man...
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:07:19 -0800

WOW, I would be in real trouble if I lived where you people live. I have cars everywhere!  In my town in NJ if you have plates on it it can stay, or if it is on a registered trailer it can stay  even if its stripped.  If you throw a tarp over it thats even better yet. Annie      PS  MY mom is the biggest complainer,  I tell her be glad I'm a slob into cars and trucks, I could be into drinking and drugs, have 3 illegitimate kids with 3 different fathers and be neat.  That seems to always shut her up!!!!!  You must make people see the positive side.  ANNIE
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Keith Srb
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:12 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: The man...



 Your not alone.  I have to play stupid little games with the Police
 Department and the City Zoning Jerks.  Even  though my trucks are Insured,
 License and Running, I have to move them around at least  once a week to
 keep the police and neighbors from thinking they are "abandoned".  If I try
 to park any of them along the side of my house in the yard, I get a nice
 letter from the Zoning Jerks telling me they have to be parked on an
 Improved, Dust Free Surface.  In the Middle of the AZ Desert, a dust free
 surface, give me a break!  I have people in my neighborhood whos' front
 yards that are nothing but dirt, no grass, no trees or shrubs.  The City
 doesn't have any rules against that!

 Adding to the Rant and trying not to get P***ed O**.  But it's not working.

 Thanks for listening
 Keith Srb
 1990 Four Winns 20' Boat
 1980 Harley Davidson
 1966 Ford F-100
 1975 Ford F-250
 1986 Bronco II
 2000 Ford Ranger

 He who dies with the most toys wins.  Not in Mesa, AZ.

 At 04:55 PM 01/23/2001 +0000, you wrote:

 >I was going about my boring day a work today when I get a call from my
 >frantic wife telling me to get home right away, that they were towing my
 >truck.  WHAT!!! well even if I could leave right away I wouldn't get home
 >for another 30mins and they would already be gone.  It seems that someone in
 >my neighborhood has complained that my truck is sticking out in the road and
 >is "unsightly", so why haven't they done anything until now, the truck has
 >been sitting in my driveway with the frame off for a year now.  I called the
 >city and convinced them to give me 10 days to move it "out of the street",
 >the guy in the office told me that the truck must show progress or be
 >inspected and running.  PROGRESS, if they want to see progress come and ask
 >me to open my garage doors and they will see an allmost complete frame, it
 >is getting harder and harder for us to work on and upkeep our trucks without
 >pissing off at least one of our neihbors, why can't people just mind their
 >own business and stay out of mine.  Well thanks for letting me rant and
 >rave.....
 >
 >
 >
 >Chris Worley
 >'67 F100 saved from impound
 >_________________________________________________________________
 >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://explorer.msn.com
 >




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From: "Bill Brox" <bill online.no>
Subject: Hi again.
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:01:08 +0100


Hello,

Back on the list again. long time no see. My truck is still not running. But
the garage has a roof now..<<<smile>>>
Been a lot of work, and still is. Need to insulate inside, and get all the
electricity work done. But when ready it will be fine for restoring old
trucks.

See you later...   Bill Brox.




------------------------------

From: "Bill Brox" <bill online.no>
Subject: Re: The man...
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:08:28 +0100


Annie, I wonder if it would be better if you were into drinking and drugs.
At least those who complain about your truck had something more
"interesting" to talk about.  The world is a sick place to live in.

I live out in the bush, and have my truck behind my house, + 2 old
tractors.... the third sits in the old shed I have.
No close neighbors..... you can't imagine how wonderful it is to live like
this. No complaints......
I hate people making noise about others. They should have cleaned their own
doorstep before they started cleaning others. That's my opinion.

Maybe they have kids into drinking and drugs..... and hate seeing others go
free of that. Jealousy is a bad sickness.

Bill Brox



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Wasserman" <meshugga prodigy.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:07 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: The man...


> WOW, I would be in real trouble if I lived where you people live. I have
cars everywhere!  In my town in NJ if you have plates on it it can stay, or
if it is on a registered trailer it can stay  even if its stripped.  If you
throw a tarp over it thats even better yet. Annie      PS  MY mom is the
biggest complainer,  I tell her be glad I'm a slob into cars and trucks, I
could be into drinking and drugs, have 3 illegitimate kids with 3 different
fathers and be neat.  That seems to always shut her up!!!!!  You must make
people see the positive side.  ANNIE
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Keith Srb
>   To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:12 AM
>   Subject: [61-79-list] Re: The man...
>
>
>
>   Your not alone.  I have to play stupid little games with the Police
>   Department and the City Zoning Jerks.  Even  though my trucks are
Insured,
>   License and Running, I have to move them around at least  once a week to
>   keep the police and neighbors from thinking they are "abandoned".  If I
try
>   to park any of them along the side of my house in the yard, I get a nice
>   letter from the Zoning Jerks telling me they have to be parked on an
>   Improved, Dust Free Surface.  In the Middle of the AZ Desert, a dust
free
>   surface, give me a break!  I have people in my neighborhood whos' front
>   yards that are nothing but dirt, no grass, no trees or shrubs.  The City
>   doesn't have any rules against that!
>
>   Adding to the Rant and trying not to get P***ed O**.  But it's not
working.
>
>   Thanks for listening
>   Keith Srb
>   1990 Four Winns 20' Boat
>   1980 Harley Davidson
>   1966 Ford F-100
>   1975 Ford F-250
>   1986 Bronco II
>   2000 Ford Ranger
>
>   He who dies with the most toys wins.  Not in Mesa, AZ.
>
>   At 04:55 PM 01/23/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>
>   >I was going about my boring day a work today when I get a call from my
>   >frantic wife telling me to get home right away, that they were towing
my
>   >truck.  WHAT!!! well even if I could leave right away I wouldn't get
home
>   >for another 30mins and they would already be gone.  It seems that
someone in
>   >my neighborhood has complained that my truck is sticking out in the
road and
>   >is "unsightly", so why haven't they done anything until now, the truck
has
>   >been sitting in my driveway with the frame off for a year now.  I
called the
>   >city and convinced them to give me 10 days to move it "out of the
street",
>   >the guy in the office told me that the truck must show progress or be
>   >inspected and running.  PROGRESS, if they want to see progress come and
ask
>   >me to open my garage doors and they will see an allmost complete frame,
it
>   >is getting harder and harder for us to work on and upkeep our trucks
without
>   >pissing off at least one of our neihbors, why can't people just mind
their
>   >own business and stay out of mine.  Well thanks for letting me rant and
>   >rave.....
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >Chris Worley
>   >'67 F100 saved from impound
>   >_________________________________________________________________
>   >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://explorer.msn.com
>   >
>
>
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:09:45 -0500
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Re: Yo-Yo Science



Do they use Ford Trucks to fight forest fires? (truck content :-))

>--
>Happily Retired (but broke)
>Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco Loving, Gary

Absolutley!  8-)  I bought a beauty off ebay for the locals here!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=523389977

Just my way of talking a local Ohio Fire Department into saving a piece of
history!  Whatta cool ride!  8-)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com



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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:12:28 -0500
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: The man...


You go, girl! That is a great attitude. I really think that activities like
working on old cars/Ford trucks are great for kids of all ages. They are a
great father/son or daughter activity, as well. That is one reason I have as
many trucks as I do - my daughter gets to drive this year and my son next
year. The daughter gets the old car, son will get one of the trucks and I
drive one of the trucks.

Virgil

> WOW, I would be in real trouble if I lived where you people live. I have
> cars everywhere!  In my town in NJ if you have plates on it it can stay,
> or if it is on a registered trailer it can stay  even if its stripped.  If
> you throw a tarp over it thats even better yet. Annie      PS  MY mom is
> the biggest complainer,  I tell her be glad I'm a slob into cars and
> trucks, I could be into drinking and drugs, have 3 illegitimate kids with
> 3 different fathers and be neat.  That seems to always shut her up!!!!!
> You must make people see the positive side.  ANNIE
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudeness
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:16:53 -0800


> And all of this supports your theory that there is less O2 in the
atmosphere
> now than 30 years ago? Right. There's no question that there's seasonal
> variations, it makes perfect sense. Less seasonal plant activity, less O2
> production.

   If you think seasonal variations make sense because of less plant
activity, then why do you have such a difficult time believing that a
reduction in global plant activity has an effect on the O2 content around
the entire planet? It seems illogical to believe in one, and not the other.
After all, less plant activity = less O2.

> Now to try to bring this back on topic, do you really think that a nominal
> .03% reduction of atmospheric O2 in Tasmania is going to affect the
ability
> to increase the compression ratio of a truck engine which is how you
> originally started this little discussion?

   I never suggested that the quality of air was the only reason for not
building an engine at 10:1, it is merly one of many variables that affect
the engines performance. Things like poor fuel & air quality, heavy loads,
timing advance more than 6 degrees, high temperatures, steep grades, and low
RPMs have little effect by themselves, but if you combine all of those
factors together at the same time, then a high compression engine may not be
the best idea to have. If you never expect to encounter all of these
variables at one time, then by all means build a 10:1 engine and enjoy, but
if there is a chance that all of the variables will come into play, then I
recommend building the engine at 9:1 compression.


Michael
69 F250 390 4V, T18, 3.54 LS
69 F250 390 4V, C6, 4.11
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:18:55 EST
Subject: Re: The man...


In a message dated 1/23/01 10:11:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
herbie ford-trucks.com writes:

<< If I try
to park any of them along the side of my house in the yard, I get a nice
letter from the Zoning Jerks telling me they have to be parked on an
Improved, Dust Free Surface.  In the Middle of the AZ Desert, a dust free
surface, give me a break! >>

Heres an idea that works here in NV.  If you want to park on the side of your
house, put each tire on one of those 24'' round paving stones they use for
landscaping.  For all intents and purposes, the vehicle is on an "improved,
dust free surface"

Darrell & Tweety

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:23:55 EST
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudeness


In a message dated 1/23/01 11:15:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
danger csolutions.net writes:

<< If you think seasonal variations make sense because of less plant
activity, then why do you have such a difficult time believing that a
reduction in global plant activity has an effect on the O2 content around
the entire planet? It seems illogical to believe in one, and not the other.
After all, less plant activity = less O2. >>

Just wanted to toss in a point.  I dont think seasonal means anything,
because it may be winter here, and all our plants are in hibernation or
whatever they do, but all the countries down below the equator are enjoying a
nice warm summer right now, Its all balanced.

Darrell & Tweety


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:30:13 -0700
From: Keith Srb <herbie ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The man...


At 02:18 PM 01/23/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>In a message dated 1/23/01 10:11:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>herbie ford-trucks.com writes:
>
><< If I try
>  to park any of them along the side of my house in the yard, I get a nice
>  letter from the Zoning Jerks telling me they have to be parked on an
>  Improved, Dust Free Surface.  In the Middle of the AZ Desert, a dust free
>  surface, give me a break! >>
>
>Heres an idea that works here in NV.  If you want to park on the side of your
>house, put each tire on one of those 24'' round paving stones they use for
>landscaping.  For all intents and purposes, the vehicle is on an "improved,
>dust free surface"
>
>Darrell & Tweety

I'll check into that.

Thanks Darrell!
Keith


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:30:01 -0500
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Atmospheric Oxygen


At 12:44 PM 1/23/01 -0500, you wrote:
>The page at
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csiro.au/page.asp?type=mediaRelease&id=OxygenMeasurements
>contains info that atmospheric oxygen levels have been falling for the last
>20 years. Note the graph at the bottom of the page.

Did you look at the numbers on the side of that chart?  By the scientists
own admission (did you read the article?)  the amount of fluctuation shown
in the chart could be explained by normal atmospheric oxygen charges.

The chart is a good example of using charts to show what you want to show,
rather than the truth.  If you just glance at the chart, you will notice
that oxygen is decreasing dramatically, while CO2 is increasing
dramatically.  Actually oxygen only decreases 70 ppm out of an AVERAGE
209400 ppm, or .03% (not 20.9%-.03%, but rather .03% of 20.9% or .00627% of
the total atmosphere,) hardly enough to influence combustion or breathing
of life.  If the chart started at zero, and ran to 250000ppm, then you
wouldn't be able to see the line dipped down any, it would appear straight.

Also, if you notice, this is a site from Australia.  If you didn't know,
the whole country is a basically a desert, with a few lush areas on the
coast.  In the past century the amount of water has decreased (it was in
one of this years National Geographic Magazines, the largest lake there is
a giant salt flat that occasionally sees water during the wet season.) and
consequently there is less vegetation there than in the past, which could
possibly account for the minuscule drop in oxygen reported.  Particularly
if the measuring site is in a city, where vegetation is diminishing due to
natural city expansion.  Feel free to correct me here, any aussie list
members, but I believe I am correct.

Basically everyone is right here.  Yes, technically, at the place it was
measured in the particular study cited the oxygen did drop.  But its not a
significant drop, and not a drop that affects anything that needs
oxygen.  It is also a drop that can be possibly explained by local
environmental conditions.

Another common fallacy: believing extrapolation.  If oxygen is decreasing
by .03% in 20 years, why then in 66666 years there will be no oxygen at
all.  Same argument is used for global warming.  Temp increases over 20
years are used to predict the end of mankind.   By the same logic, we'd be
in an ice age right now, because the period from 1400-1900 is known
historically in climate circles as the 'Little Ice Age.'  Note that most
contemporary temperature  record began in the tail end of this period
(1850-1900,) so any comparison between now and then will automatically show
a temperature increase (Which is why I don't believe in global warming, or
at least that it is undesirable and unnatural.)  During this time temps
across the world were dropping, and people were starting to think they were
entering an ice age http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/mayews01/node5.html.  In
fact, maybe that's why they started looking for oil and burning up all the
combustibles in the world, and in general industrializing.  They were just
trying to prevent an ice age, and it looks like they were successful.  Way
to go ancestors, I hate the cold.

Something the think about:  If the CO2 and temps are in fact increasing,
then more plants will grow, and they will produce more oxygen, and
everything will balance out again.


George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD
gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com


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From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Re: The man... & Albuquerque, NM
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:35:14 -0500


Any one ever have people like me knocking on their doors and wanting to buy
the Ford truck in their yard?  I'm assuming that has to drive you nutz ;)
Anyone found an effective means of talking people out of their yard
ornaments?

Incidentally, anyone in the Albuquerque area?  There is a truck that I'm
interested in, and was wondering if someone might be interested in looking
at it for me... e-mail me off list if you can help out, I'm still waiting
for more pictures... fordemail sunsetcoast.com


Thanks,

Ken Schneider
Coloma, MI/Big Rapids, MI

68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
88 Crown Victoria 5.0/AOD(mustang)
70 F100 Ranger XLT 360/3sp Dad's
87 Bronco XLT 4x4 5.0/C6/3.55Auburn Dad's
95 Taurus 3.0 Mom's
73 Sidewinder Boat


>I live out in the bush, and have my truck behind my house, + 2 old
>tractors.... the third sits in the old shed I have.
>No close neighbors..... you can't imagine how wonderful it is to live like
>this. No complaints......


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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:43:31 -0800



>
> >
> >
> >> Both of these websites are nothing but junk science designed
> >> to, among other
> >> things, scare the uninformed into jumping out of their
> >> horrible fossil fuel
> >> powered vehicles and into worthless electric vehicles,
> > <SNIP>
> >
> > I wonder how good an idea a plug in car seems to
> Californians right now?
> > Bet my dinosaur F-150 goes farther than any battery car
> right now.  ;-)
> >
>
> Energy is energy. What do you suppose the power companies use
> to light their
> steam plants? Most of them in TX burn lignite coal or natural
> gas. The car
> may be clean, but the electricity has to come from some where.
>
> -- John
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!
>
And I just got notification from the home office that the CASIO had issued 2
STAGE 3 POWER ALERTS for the San Jose area.  And my 24 year old truck
continues to motor along -- much more reliably than PG&E.   Course if PG&E
had built another power station or two in the last 24 years..... ;-0

Tom H.

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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudenes
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:43:32 -0800



>
> > Within the last 2 years, they have cut the future
> > predictions for global temp rise in half?? Hmm, they
> > were so sure 3 years ago?????
> > Is it actually happening? Funny how satallite and
> > balloon measurements corrolate and say no, but ground
> > temps say yes.
>
> Besides, we are coming out of an ice age. It is supposed to be getting
> warmer.
>
> -- John
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!
>
>

Tell that to New England.  Maine has just recorded the coldest Nov and Dec
in history!!!  Global warming seems like a good idea to me right now.  Need
to go outside and warm up the old truck. ;-)

Tom H

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:51:33 -0700
From: Keith Srb <herbie ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: The man... & Albuquerque, NM


At 02:35 PM 01/23/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Any one ever have people like me knocking on their doors and wanting to buy
>the Ford truck in their yard?


At least once a week, until I put signs in them saying that are not for
sale.  Seems to have solved that problem.

Later
Keith


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudeness
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:30:01 -0800

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:16 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudeness



>     If you think seasonal variations make sense because of less plant
> activity, then why do you have such a difficult time believing that a
> reduction in global plant activity has an effect on the O2 content around
> the entire planet? It seems illogical to believe in one, and not the
other.
> After all, less plant activity = less O2.

Because it isn't happening that's why...

>     I never suggested that the quality of air was the only reason for not
> building an engine at 10:1, it is merly one of many variables that affect
> the engines performance. Things like poor fuel & air quality, heavy loads,
> timing advance more than 6 degrees, high temperatures, steep grades, and
low
> RPMs have little effect by themselves, but if you combine all of those
> factors together at the same time, then a high compression engine may not
be
> the best idea to have. If you never expect to encounter all of these
> variables at one time, then by all means build a 10:1 engine and enjoy,
but
> if there is a chance that all of the variables will come into play, then I
> recommend building the engine at 9:1 compression.

You're correct about all of the factors you mentioned except 1....that is
the O2 content. There are so many additional variables having to do with
combustion chamber/piston design, exhaust system design, induction, engine
management, cam timing, gearing, etc. which will make or break an engine,
why worry about some imaginary issue.



------------------------------

From: "Jim McCarty" <mccartyjim hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudenes
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:33:04 -0600


I used to lurk on a list that talked about 61-79 Ford Trucks.  Does anyone
know where it went?  I'd like to get back on it.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Oxygenated fuel, rudenes
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:43:32 -0800



>
> > Within the last 2 years, they have cut the future
> > predictions for global temp rise in half?? Hmm, they
> > were so sure 3 years ago?????
> > Is it actually happening? Funny how satallite and
> > balloon measurements corrolate and say no, but ground
> > temps say yes.
>
> Besides, we are coming out of an ice age. It is supposed to be getting
> warmer.
>
> -- John
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!
>
>

Tell that to New England.  Maine has just recorded the coldest Nov and Dec
in history!!!  Global warming seems like a good idea to me right now.  Need
to go outside and warm up the old truck. ;-)

Tom H


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:48:04 -0500
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: New Acquisition - 1970


I just got a chance to drive the Ford truck I am trading my 92 Isuzu P'up
for.  Going to do the deal Friday.  I was totally wrong about the year, its
a 1970, with a 78 400 and C6 tranny.  Cab is good, with the only rust spot
being on the rear cab support brace on the drivers side.  It looks easily
fixable.  Has a B&M rachet shifter and new dual exhaust.  Frame is straight
and rust free.

Here's the other issues I noticed:

1.      Tail lights don't work (easy to fix).

2.      C6 leaks (looks easy to fix).

3.      Slight miss at about 2k rpm, seems to be ignition related.

4.      Bed is shot internally, exterior is ok.

5.      Front end seems floaty, parts look OK under there.  Could be shocks.

6.      Brakes take extreme pedal pressure to work, and it's only at the
end of the travel.  Truck has drums all around and when we popped off the
master cylinder the fluid appeared to have water in it.  Has manual brakes.

OK, here's the question. I don't really plan on keeping this truck, so how
far should I go to fix it before I sell it.  I'm most likely going to
remove the 400 (especially now that I know the truck was not originally
equipped with it) and put in a 460/C6 combo I can get for $200, I know the
combo runs good.

So assuming a 460/C6 and all the safety items above fixed appropriately how
much do you guys think it is worth.  And how much more if I straighten the
body (has dull white paint with a few rust holes, all less then dime sized
and it really looks pretty good now actually, but if you get up close to it
you start to see blemishes) and paint it.  I have access to a shop to do
the work myself, so its more a matter of time than money.

Question #2, can you make a 2wd C6 into a 4wd C6 by swapping the tailshaft
and tailhousing?  How much more involved is it to put a C6 where a 435 used
to live?  My 435 is jumping out of 2nd (not including granny) gear, so I'm
looking at some tranny expense no matter what.



George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD
gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:30:16 -0500
From: somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Subject: Re: The man...

> is getting harder and harder for us to work on and upkeep our trucks without
> pissing off at least one of our neihbors, why can't people just mind their
> own business and stay out of mine.

Last I looked, the population was still rising and the amount of land
still stubbornly insisting on staying the same.  Imagine what it's gonna
be like 20 years from now...

Good luck with keeping the '67 protected!

--sean

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:41:33 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s




"Hogan, Tom (Portland)" wrote:

> I wonder how good an idea a plug in car seems to Californians right now?
> Bet my dinosaur F-150 goes farther than any battery car right now.  ;-)
>
> Tom H.

I wonder how massive a battery/motor I would need to even get my F250 out of
the driveway with all the junk I carry to work. Not to mention pushing snow
with the 8' Fisher. And then I could hook on the 2500 lb trailer with
another truck on there ... guess I'd better stick with the ol 351.


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From: "Arnie and his F250 G" <arny_f250 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:18:06 -0600


But, you cannot build any new powerplants, no matter what type they are.
Remmeber they cause global warming.  *L.L.L.L*




From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:43:31 -0800



>
> >
> >
> >> Both of these websites are nothing but junk science designed
> >> to, among other
> >> things, scare the uninformed into jumping out of their
> >> horrible fossil fuel
> >> powered vehicles and into worthless electric vehicles,
> > <SNIP>
> >
> > I wonder how good an idea a plug in car seems to
> Californians right now?
> > Bet my dinosaur F-150 goes farther than any battery car
> right now.  ;-)
> >
>
> Energy is energy. What do you suppose the power companies use
> to light their
> steam plants? Most of them in TX burn lignite coal or natural ....


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