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61-79-list Digest Thu, 18 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 017

In This Issue:
AAARGH ... more virus spreading; update your virus scanne
Re: Torque Converters
Re: Envy Strikes again.
Re: Computer sheets....
Re: 360-to-390
Re: ENVY STRIKES AGAIN.....
Re: axles/gears/carrier swap 76-65
Re: 73-79 F250s
Re: 73-79 F250s
Re: 73-79 F250s
Hi-Boy or not?
Re: Hi-Boy or not?
360 to 390
Gasket sealer
Re: 73-79 F250s
Re: 73-79 F250s
Re: Leaking Valve Covers

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Subject: AAARGH ... more virus spreading; update your virus scanne
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:06:23 -0500

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The virus bandit is spreading this thing yet again ...)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:08:17 -0500
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Torque Converters


At 03:51 PM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>JOHN
>i havent ever used these convertors myself or even heard of them for that
>matter i have used DAACO convertors tho and FAIRBANKS i repaced my OEM
>convertor in our t bird a year ago with a DAACO and it seems to be holding
>up very well so far the other type i have used in racing and had good luck
>with them
>the daaco convertor was 60.00 for a F/E  engine
>gordon

A guy I know who rebuilds trannies for a living uses DAACO's TC's
exclusivly, here in NC.  Price is about the same here, too.  I got one in
my 82 Jeep Cherokee SJ, works fine.

George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD
gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:27:32 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Envy Strikes again.


Well, I wouldn't weld it directly to the frame.  I have made bumpers for both ends of my Supercab which bolt on to the ends of the frame.  The rear bumper was with me when I was rear ended in front of my
house. I was stopped, she was doing 55 (adjusting the radio).  The hitch plate went through her exhaust manifold (front wheel drive), and she bent my frame almost 6" upward.  The bumper suffered minor
scratches.  That was funny.  The front bumper has survived a telephone pole at 25 MPH.  Not a thing happened that time (except stirring everybody in the neighborhood to see what happened).  The downside is I
have had to remove both bumpers at one time or another and they both weigh almost 200 lbs a piece.

Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/

> Anyways, my advice is for everyone to get a
> steel bumper welded onto the frame of your truck like me cuz nothin short of
> a semi will dent that sucker! Especially if you are accident prone like
> myself. Last year a parent of a student I tutor backed her new car into the
> corner of my bumper and taco-ed her car, and she was afraid to tell ME about
> it for fear I might get mad! How funny! All I need is a grille guard thingy
> and I am all set......in reverse OR drive! LOL


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:55:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Computer sheets....


>
>Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys with decent original, maybe low
mileage
>67-72's come across a computer or broadcast sheet in your trucks?

I've got one out of a 70 that my grandfather bought new.  Truck's sitting in
a field for parts and I happened to find the sheet behind the seat springs.
The truck is junk so I grabbed the sheet, but dont' remember if I pitched it
later or not, if I've still got it it'd be at my parent's house.  It was very
legible still, but since I knew all the options on the truck already it wasn't
any huge insight :)

Lemme know if you need the info from it, I'll see if its still around (call
Mom, she's good at finding stuff in that room since she's the one who cleaned
it last :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:48:43 -0700
From: Corbin Johnson <streetrod sedona.net>
Subject: Re: 360-to-390


the only difference between a 360/390 is the recipocating assembly. When
I first got into hot rodding, my 1rst motor was a 360. I soon got bored
with that and I rebuilt it. I used the same block, but put in the 390
guts. Let me reasure you, that made a HUGE difference in  power. I think
that a person would have nothing to loose by doing this.

Corbin
72 F-100 428SCJ  627hp
68 F-100 "project"


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: ENVY STRIKES AGAIN.....
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:18:41 -0800



It sounds like my Bronco.  Why lock it?  If someone steals it, they'll be so
frustrated trying to drive it they'll either bring it back or leave it down
the street. :^)

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
'77 F150 4WD 429
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: axles/gears/carrier swap 76-65
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:41:59 -0800



I believe the housings are narrower on the earlier trucks.  You can use the
3rd member from the 76, but the axles might need shortened to work.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
'77 F150 4WD 429
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:04:47 -0800



> With a few mods, the 400 can be made to run just like a 390,
4bbl carb, headers, dual exhaust would be on the to do list.

>  <<2. Tranny.  C6 or 435?
> Do you mind shifting?  What climate are you in?
After owning a PSD with the auto, it is nice to just put it in drive and go.
But there are times I miss shifting and being able to pick my own gear.  I
live in the Pacific Northwest.  Its cold in the winter and hot in the
summer.
How's the compression braking with the C6?


<<3. power steering?
> Cant help ya here, but Im curious too, Dads ram setup is getting on my
last  nerve.
Didn't Ox do this conversion a short time back?


Thanks
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
'77 F150 4WD 429
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:07:44 -0800


Thanks for the information Bill

Jason


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:24:07 -0800




> but it's not as tough an engine as the 385 series no matter what you do to
it.
What's your reason for this?  What makes the 429/460 tougher than the 400?
Not trying to argue anything, just want your opinion.


> Spend the same money on the 385 series engine and you will have more
engine
After reading this again, I may have answered my own question...

>You have to try pretty hard to get them to spark knock due to the design.
Do you think there would be any trouble with running 10- 10.5:1 compression
(70 specs)?
I'm only running 9:1 on the 429 in my 77 and I haven't had a bit of a
problem.

Thanks
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
'77 F150 4WD 429
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"




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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:26:21 -0800
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Hi-Boy or not?


>>1. What engine? 360/390 or the 351M/400.

I have a 428-NP 435- P/time divorced 205 combo in my 76 Hi-Boy and I
love it. Ran 390s for many, many trouble free years too.
I have a 460 in my 84 and I have had no problems  with it either.
Bro has a 400 in his 79 Bronco and he pulls a boat that
is more than most people would pull with a Bronc.No problems there
either.
They are all Fords so they are all good.

>>2 Tranny.  C6 or 435?  I know this is kind of a personal preference.

they are both great.

>>I definetely want a 205 (part time) transfer case. Does that limit my
 options for a tranny choice?

 Yes and no.Most P/time 205 have 4spds in front of them.I believe a
 F/time 205 W/ a part time conversion kit is a very stout T-case
too....

>>3. power steering?  If I get a pre 77, I think that integral power steering
 is one of the first things on the list.

 Power assist on mine is still holding together well , but when it
starts leaking I will find out
myself..........................................
>>How much work is it to swap to the  later steering box?

>>4. Highboy or not?

Definatly Hi-Boy :)

>>Is there much of a difference in unloaded ride between the highboys and the   later trucks?

I don't think it is more than 2-3 inches 4 tops.

>>I know the highboys are limited for suspension lift choices.If I do lift, >>it would be just enough for 35's,maybe 36's.

I have 35" T/As on my stock height Hi-Boy.Had to do a little trimming on
the front fenders,but you have to lay on your back to see it.

>>5. Disc brake choices?  I really want to stick to an open knuckle frontend.
 Do the 3/4 ton Dana 44's share the spindle bolt pattern with the 1/2t
(6
 bolt for drum and 5 for disc)?  How about disc brake options for the
60?

Don't know about spindle bolt patterns but I have a open knuckle ,disc
brake 44 in mine and it stops great.

Now I'll climb on my soap box:

>>  It will mostly be used for back and forth to work,

Definatly a Hi-Boy w/ a bad FE.Flowmasters,big pipes and a nasty
idle........

>>but it will also be used to hauling a 8 ft cabover camper

I personaly would not feel real comfortable with a cabover camper on
mine.
Too high of a CG and too high to get in and out of.Not to mention
loading the roof rack and fitting under over hangs could be a challange.
I have had 2 Hi-Boys and the GWV on the 75 was around 6500 and my 76 is
around 7200 so swap bars and over loads would be a must.

>>and a 7000 lb (gross) car trailer
And more over loads

I love my Hi- Boy ,but I have a 84 4x2 SC F-250 w/460 to tow my travel
trailer and for daily driver use.
The increased wheel base and 8800 GVW makes the 84 a natural tow vehicle
and the SC gives the kids a nice place to ride.As far as power the built
428 in the 76 will kick the ... of the stock 460,but it is not a fair
fight w/
the smog equip.etc. on the 84.
The 84 is nice truck and does a great job doing what I bought it for,but
it ain't no Hi-Boy......

If I had to own one truck and it had to be a 4x4 I would get a
78-79 F-350 or a F-250 SC (not sure if they made a 350 SC) 4x4  w/ C-6
(w/biggg cooler and a temp gauge) and 4:10 gears.
I would then stuff a very mild 460 in it, lift it enough for 33s drop
the camper on,hook up the trailer and hit the road.

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Hi-Boy or not?
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:38:28 -0800

Don't need to lift a 79  4X4 to fit 33s. I have a bone stock 79 F-250 with
33X12.5 16.5 s on it and they never rub even off road. Not too sure that
"most 205s have 4 speeds in front of them", mine certainly doesn't.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "scott" <scott ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:26 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Hi-Boy or not?


> If I had to own one truck and it had to be a 4x4 I would get a
> 78-79 F-350 or a F-250 SC (not sure if they made a 350 SC) 4x4  w/ C-6
> (w/biggg cooler and a temp gauge) and 4:10 gears.
> I would then stuff a very mild 460 in it, lift it enough for 33s drop
> the camper on,hook up the trailer and hit the road.




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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 360 to 390
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:46:24 -0600

Jeff writes:  >>Are the pistons the same size, or does the 390
have a bigger cyl bore?<<

Same bore - (4.05")different wrist pin location to compensate for
different stroke..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Gasket sealer
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:50:53 -0600

Gary writes:  >>.  I'm not at all impressed with Fel-Pro
Yellow cement.  Haven't tried Indian head yet but will get that soon too and
try it out :-)  I'm thinking 3-M window seal cement (the black gooy stuff)
as a possibly better way to glue gaskets.<<

I've had extremely good luck everywhere I've used the Hi temp(redish orange)
Silicone.  3M I believe, but it might be permatex.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:18:54 -0800


> >You have to try pretty hard to get them to spark knock due to the design.
> Do you think there would be any trouble with running 10- 10.5:1
compression
> (70 specs)?
> I'm only running 9:1 on the 429 in my 77 and I haven't had a bit of a
> problem.
>
>  Thanks
> Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~

   I'd suggest sticking with 9:1 and avoid 10:1 compression unless you will
never use the engine to pull a heavy load up a steep grade during the summer
heat. Not only does todays fuel contain a lower octane rating, but there is
less oxygen in the atmosphere compared to 30 years ago. You may, or may not
have troubles with 10:1, but is it really worth the risk when 9:1 is known
to be safe?

Michael
69 F250 390 4V, T18, 3.54 LS
69 F250 390 4V, C6, 4.11
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/myth/ford/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:38:00 -0600
Subject: Re: loaning trucks
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> ......Yeah, trucks (vehicles) can be kinda personal

My wife, my son, or my two brothers can drive anything I ever own any time
they need to. Sorry, everyone else is out of luck. BTDT, got the t-shirt and
bent fenders to prove it. I don't loan my vehicles. As I have stated before,
if your vehicle is involved in an accident, you are liable regardless of who
is driving it.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:44:44 -0600
Subject: Re: Leaking Valve Covers
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> I'm thinking 3-M window seal cement (the black gooy stuff)
> as a possibly better way to glue gaskets.....anyone try this yet?

Never tried it. I use the Indianhead stuff mentioned earlier with good
results. If the leak is only around the bolts, try putting some gasket
sealer on the threads, then reinstall. This is a must on water pump bolts.
Don't tighten them down with any thing bigger than a nut driver. All you
need is snug so the covers don't rattle around. Clean the bolt head
thoroughly, then put a dab of silicone on the side of the bolt head over to
the valve cover. Let it cure overnight. This works better than a lock washer
on low torque bolts and nuts.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:59:23 -0800

Less oxygen? If that were the case shouldn't we all be suffering from acute
hypoxia?

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:18 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 73-79 F250s


>     I'd suggest sticking with 9:1 and avoid 10:1 compression unless you
will
> never use the engine to pull a heavy load up a steep grade during the
summer
> heat. Not only does todays fuel contain a lower octane rating, but there
is
> less oxygen in the atmosphere compared to 30 years ago. You may, or may
not
> have troubles with 10:1, but is it really worth the risk when 9:1 is known
> to be safe?




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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:30:16 -0600
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


And I wasn't following this thread too closely. Bill, we must not feel the
effects because of our redneck tendencies. Now before anyone goes off the
deep end, there is a story, a Ford truck story.

Last night in the opening class of Accounting we were supposed to introduce
ourselves to the class and tell about anything unusual like a pet snake or
something. When it was my turn, I said I had six dogs and an old Ford pickup
that I had restored. I was promptly accused of being a redneck. I didn't
deny it.

Anyway, I figure us rednecks and our old Ford pickups don't need as much
oxygen as....(fill in your favorite group to bash. Stu will put in...well we
know what Stu will put in.)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


> Less oxygen? If that were the case shouldn't we all be suffering from acute
> hypoxia?
>
>  /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:18 AM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 73-79 F250s
>
>
>>     I'd suggest sticking with 9:1 and avoid 10:1 compression unless you
> will
>> never use the engine to pull a heavy load up a steep grade during the
> summer
>> heat. Not only does todays fuel contain a lower octane rating, but there
> is
>> less oxygen in the atmosphere compared to 30 years ago. You may, or may
> not
>> have troubles with 10:1, but is it really worth the risk when 9:1 is known
>> to be safe?
>
>
>
>
>


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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Leaking Valve Covers
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:59:09 -0800 (PST)


Let me add another vote for the Fel-Pro all rubber gaskets.  I don't use
ANY sealant and mine don't leak.  These gaskets have little tabs that fit
the slots on the sides of the stock valve cover and hold them in place
during assembly.  I also have the load spreaders that Gary mentioned, but
only on the bottom two bolts.  On the others I have standard flat washers.

If you don't know what the load spreaders are, see this picture:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.pacifier.com/~draco/Images/Truck/000123_10.jpg


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4x4 ....


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