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the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Thu, 18 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001 Issue: 017 In This Issue: AAARGH ... more virus spreading; update your virus scanne Re: Torque Converters Re: Envy Strikes again. Re: Computer sheets.... Re: 360-to-390 Re: ENVY STRIKES AGAIN..... Re: axles/gears/carrier swap 76-65 Re: 73-79 F250s Re: 73-79 F250s Re: 73-79 F250s Hi-Boy or not? Re: Hi-Boy or not? 360 to 390 Gasket sealer Re: 73-79 F250s Re: 73-79 F250s Re: Leaking Valve Covers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Serian" <serian mailandnews.com>
Subject: AAARGH ... more virus spreading; update your virus scanne Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:06:23 -0500 ============================================ Got another one of these today that my virus scanner nabbed and killed... TWICE ! Too bad my virus scanner can't kill the computer of the jackass that keeps sending this thing. ============================================ (Please note that this is not a forward ... I manually copied the headers and the Norton Antivirus report to a seperate email message. The virus bandit is spreading this thing yet again ...) ============================================ Received: from [207.214.178.123] () by MailAndNews.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:44:39 -0500 From: Hahaha <hahaha sexyfun.net>
Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! MIME-Version: 1.0 ============================================ This file: "joke.exe" was infected with the: "W95.Hybris.Gen.dr" virus. The file was quarantined by Norton AntiVirus. Thursday, January 18, 2001 14:52 ============================================= The "from" IP address resolves in NetLab to: Host name: ppp-207-214-178-123.anhm01.pacbell.net IP address: 207.214.178.123 Alias(es): None ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:08:17 -0500 From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Torque Converters At 03:51 PM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote: >JOHN >i havent ever used these convertors myself or even heard of them for that >matter i have used DAACO convertors tho and FAIRBANKS i repaced my OEM >convertor in our t bird a year ago with a DAACO and it seems to be holding >up very well so far the other type i have used in racing and had good luck >with them >the daaco convertor was 60.00 for a F/E engine >gordon A guy I know who rebuilds trannies for a living uses DAACO's TC's exclusivly, here in NC. Price is about the same here, too. I got one in my 82 Jeep Cherokee SJ, works fine. George Selby 78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd 86 Nissan 300ZX 92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:27:32 -0600 From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: Envy Strikes again. Well, I wouldn't weld it directly to the frame. I have made bumpers for both ends of my Supercab which bolt on to the ends of the frame. The rear bumper was with me when I was rear ended in front of my house. I was stopped, she was doing 55 (adjusting the radio). The hitch plate went through her exhaust manifold (front wheel drive), and she bent my frame almost 6" upward. The bumper suffered minor scratches. That was funny. The front bumper has survived a telephone pole at 25 MPH. Not a thing happened that time (except stirring everybody in the neighborhood to see what happened). The downside is I have had to remove both bumpers at one time or another and they both weigh almost 200 lbs a piece. Steve S. 54 F-100 76 F-350 Crew cab 77 F-250 Supercab 79 Bronco http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/ > Anyways, my advice is for everyone to get a > steel bumper welded onto the frame of your truck like me cuz nothin short of > a semi will dent that sucker! Especially if you are accident prone like > myself. Last year a parent of a student I tutor backed her new car into the > corner of my bumper and taco-ed her car, and she was afraid to tell ME about > it for fear I might get mad! How funny! All I need is a grille guard thingy > and I am all set......in reverse OR drive! LOL ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:55:18 GMT Subject: Re: Computer sheets.... > >Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys with decent original, maybe low mileage >67-72's come across a computer or broadcast sheet in your trucks? I've got one out of a 70 that my grandfather bought new. Truck's sitting in a field for parts and I happened to find the sheet behind the seat springs. The truck is junk so I grabbed the sheet, but dont' remember if I pitched it later or not, if I've still got it it'd be at my parent's house. It was very legible still, but since I knew all the options on the truck already it wasn't any huge insight :) Lemme know if you need the info from it, I'll see if its still around (call Mom, she's good at finding stuff in that room since she's the one who cleaned it last :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:48:43 -0700 From: Corbin Johnson <streetrod sedona.net>
Subject: Re: 360-to-390 the only difference between a 360/390 is the recipocating assembly. When I first got into hot rodding, my 1rst motor was a 360. I soon got bored with that and I rebuilt it. I used the same block, but put in the 390 guts. Let me reasure you, that made a HUGE difference in power. I think that a person would have nothing to loose by doing this. Corbin 72 F-100 428SCJ 627hp 68 F-100 "project" ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: ENVY STRIKES AGAIN..... Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:18:41 -0800 It sounds like my Bronco. Why lock it? If someone steals it, they'll be so frustrated trying to drive it they'll either bring it back or leave it down the street. :^) Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke '77 F150 4WD 429 "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: axles/gears/carrier swap 76-65 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:41:59 -0800 I believe the housings are narrower on the earlier trucks. You can use the 3rd member from the 76, but the axles might need shortened to work. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke '77 F150 4WD 429 "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:04:47 -0800 > With a few mods, the 400 can be made to run just like a 390, 4bbl carb, headers, dual exhaust would be on the to do list. > <<2. Tranny. C6 or 435? > Do you mind shifting? What climate are you in? After owning a PSD with the auto, it is nice to just put it in drive and go. But there are times I miss shifting and being able to pick my own gear. I live in the Pacific Northwest. Its cold in the winter and hot in the summer. How's the compression braking with the C6? <<3. power steering? > Cant help ya here, but Im curious too, Dads ram setup is getting on my last nerve. Didn't Ox do this conversion a short time back? Thanks Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke '77 F150 4WD 429 "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:07:44 -0800 Thanks for the information Bill Jason ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:24:07 -0800 > but it's not as tough an engine as the 385 series no matter what you do to it. What's your reason for this? What makes the 429/460 tougher than the 400? Not trying to argue anything, just want your opinion. > Spend the same money on the 385 series engine and you will have more engine After reading this again, I may have answered my own question... >You have to try pretty hard to get them to spark knock due to the design. Do you think there would be any trouble with running 10- 10.5:1 compression (70 specs)? I'm only running 9:1 on the 429 in my 77 and I haven't had a bit of a problem. Thanks Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke '77 F150 4WD 429 "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:26:21 -0800 From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Hi-Boy or not? >>1. What engine? 360/390 or the 351M/400. I have a 428-NP 435- P/time divorced 205 combo in my 76 Hi-Boy and I love it. Ran 390s for many, many trouble free years too. I have a 460 in my 84 and I have had no problems with it either. Bro has a 400 in his 79 Bronco and he pulls a boat that is more than most people would pull with a Bronc.No problems there either. They are all Fords so they are all good. >>2 Tranny. C6 or 435? I know this is kind of a personal preference. they are both great. >>I definetely want a 205 (part time) transfer case. Does that limit my options for a tranny choice? Yes and no.Most P/time 205 have 4spds in front of them.I believe a F/time 205 W/ a part time conversion kit is a very stout T-case too.... >>3. power steering? If I get a pre 77, I think that integral power steering is one of the first things on the list. Power assist on mine is still holding together well , but when it starts leaking I will find out myself.......................................... >>How much work is it to swap to the later steering box? >>4. Highboy or not? Definatly Hi-Boy :) >>Is there much of a difference in unloaded ride between the highboys and the later trucks? I don't think it is more than 2-3 inches 4 tops. >>I know the highboys are limited for suspension lift choices.If I do lift, >>it would be just enough for 35's,maybe 36's. I have 35" T/As on my stock height Hi-Boy.Had to do a little trimming on the front fenders,but you have to lay on your back to see it. >>5. Disc brake choices? I really want to stick to an open knuckle frontend. Do the 3/4 ton Dana 44's share the spindle bolt pattern with the 1/2t (6 bolt for drum and 5 for disc)? How about disc brake options for the 60? Don't know about spindle bolt patterns but I have a open knuckle ,disc brake 44 in mine and it stops great. Now I'll climb on my soap box: >> It will mostly be used for back and forth to work, Definatly a Hi-Boy w/ a bad FE.Flowmasters,big pipes and a nasty idle........ >>but it will also be used to hauling a 8 ft cabover camper I personaly would not feel real comfortable with a cabover camper on mine. Too high of a CG and too high to get in and out of.Not to mention loading the roof rack and fitting under over hangs could be a challange. I have had 2 Hi-Boys and the GWV on the 75 was around 6500 and my 76 is around 7200 so swap bars and over loads would be a must. >>and a 7000 lb (gross) car trailer And more over loads I love my Hi- Boy ,but I have a 84 4x2 SC F-250 w/460 to tow my travel trailer and for daily driver use. The increased wheel base and 8800 GVW makes the 84 a natural tow vehicle and the SC gives the kids a nice place to ride.As far as power the built 428 in the 76 will kick the ... of the stock 460,but it is not a fair fight w/ the smog equip.etc. on the 84. The 84 is nice truck and does a great job doing what I bought it for,but it ain't no Hi-Boy...... If I had to own one truck and it had to be a 4x4 I would get a 78-79 F-350 or a F-250 SC (not sure if they made a 350 SC) 4x4 w/ C-6 (w/biggg cooler and a temp gauge) and 4:10 gears. I would then stuff a very mild 460 in it, lift it enough for 33s drop the camper on,hook up the trailer and hit the road. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Hi-Boy or not? Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:38:28 -0800 Don't need to lift a 79 4X4 to fit 33s. I have a bone stock 79 F-250 with 33X12.5 16.5 s on it and they never rub even off road. Not too sure that "most 205s have 4 speeds in front of them", mine certainly doesn't. /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott" <scott ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:26 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Hi-Boy or not? > If I had to own one truck and it had to be a 4x4 I would get a > 78-79 F-350 or a F-250 SC (not sure if they made a 350 SC) 4x4 w/ C-6 > (w/biggg cooler and a temp gauge) and 4:10 gears. > I would then stuff a very mild 460 in it, lift it enough for 33s drop > the camper on,hook up the trailer and hit the road. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 360 to 390 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:46:24 -0600 Jeff writes: >>Are the pistons the same size, or does the 390 have a bigger cyl bore?<< Same bore - (4.05")different wrist pin location to compensate for different stroke.. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Gasket sealer Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:50:53 -0600 Gary writes: >>. I'm not at all impressed with Fel-Pro Yellow cement. Haven't tried Indian head yet but will get that soon too and try it out :-) I'm thinking 3-M window seal cement (the black gooy stuff) as a possibly better way to glue gaskets.<< I've had extremely good luck everywhere I've used the Hi temp(redish orange) Silicone. 3M I believe, but it might be permatex. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:18:54 -0800 > >You have to try pretty hard to get them to spark knock due to the design. > Do you think there would be any trouble with running 10- 10.5:1 compression > (70 specs)? > I'm only running 9:1 on the 429 in my 77 and I haven't had a bit of a > problem. > > Thanks > Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd suggest sticking with 9:1 and avoid 10:1 compression unless you will never use the engine to pull a heavy load up a steep grade during the summer heat. Not only does todays fuel contain a lower octane rating, but there is less oxygen in the atmosphere compared to 30 years ago. You may, or may not have troubles with 10:1, but is it really worth the risk when 9:1 is known to be safe? Michael 69 F250 390 4V, T18, 3.54 LS 69 F250 390 4V, C6, 4.11 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/myth/ford/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:38:00 -0600 Subject: Re: loaning trucks From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> ......Yeah, trucks (vehicles) can be kinda personal My wife, my son, or my two brothers can drive anything I ever own any time they need to. Sorry, everyone else is out of luck. BTDT, got the t-shirt and bent fenders to prove it. I don't loan my vehicles. As I have stated before, if your vehicle is involved in an accident, you are liable regardless of who is driving it. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:44:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Leaking Valve Covers From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> I'm thinking 3-M window seal cement (the black gooy stuff) > as a possibly better way to glue gaskets.....anyone try this yet? Never tried it. I use the Indianhead stuff mentioned earlier with good results. If the leak is only around the bolts, try putting some gasket sealer on the threads, then reinstall. This is a must on water pump bolts. Don't tighten them down with any thing bigger than a nut driver. All you need is snug so the covers don't rattle around. Clean the bolt head thoroughly, then put a dab of silicone on the side of the bolt head over to the valve cover. Let it cure overnight. This works better than a lock washer on low torque bolts and nuts. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:59:23 -0800 Less oxygen? If that were the case shouldn't we all be suffering from acute hypoxia? /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 73-79 F250s > I'd suggest sticking with 9:1 and avoid 10:1 compression unless you will > never use the engine to pull a heavy load up a steep grade during the summer > heat. Not only does todays fuel contain a lower octane rating, but there is > less oxygen in the atmosphere compared to 30 years ago. You may, or may not > have troubles with 10:1, but is it really worth the risk when 9:1 is known > to be safe? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:30:16 -0600 Subject: Re: 73-79 F250s From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
And I wasn't following this thread too closely. Bill, we must not feel the effects because of our redneck tendencies. Now before anyone goes off the deep end, there is a story, a Ford truck story. Last night in the opening class of Accounting we were supposed to introduce ourselves to the class and tell about anything unusual like a pet snake or something. When it was my turn, I said I had six dogs and an old Ford pickup that I had restored. I was promptly accused of being a redneck. I didn't deny it. Anyway, I figure us rednecks and our old Ford pickups don't need as much oxygen as....(fill in your favorite group to bash. Stu will put in...well we know what Stu will put in.) -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! > Less oxygen? If that were the case shouldn't we all be suffering from acute > hypoxia? > > /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:18 AM > Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 73-79 F250s > > >> I'd suggest sticking with 9:1 and avoid 10:1 compression unless you > will >> never use the engine to pull a heavy load up a steep grade during the > summer >> heat. Not only does todays fuel contain a lower octane rating, but there > is >> less oxygen in the atmosphere compared to 30 years ago. You may, or may > not >> have troubles with 10:1, but is it really worth the risk when 9:1 is known >> to be safe? > > > > > ------------------------------ From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Leaking Valve Covers Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:59:09 -0800 (PST) Let me add another vote for the Fel-Pro all rubber gaskets. I don't use ANY sealant and mine don't leak. These gaskets have little tabs that fit the slots on the sides of the stock valve cover and hold them in place during assembly. I also have the load spreaders that Gary mentioned, but only on the bottom two bolts. On the others I have standard flat washers. If you don't know what the load spreaders are, see this picture: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.pacifier.com/~draco/Images/Truck/000123_10.jpg Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4x4 .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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