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61-79-list Digest Sun, 31 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 384

In This Issue:
Re: brakes
FE site
Re: FE site
Re: FE site
Re: Another headlight question........
Re: FE site
Re: FE site
engine swap
Re: snowmobile parts
Toploader weight
Re: Toploader weight
Headers and gas Mileage and np205
Re: brakes
CA 66-73 smog checks back ?
Parts for sale
Re: Parts for sale
Re: Parts for sale
Re: engine swap
Re: Headers and gas Mileage and np205
Re: Update on parts for sale
Re: brakes
Re: brakes
Re: Flush for heater core
Re: Fuel Gauge Troubles...

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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:56:36 EST
Subject: Re: brakes

Have you considered the vacum assist.  Sometimes getting vacum and sometimes
not.  That sounds like the only thing you didn't mention.

Glenn NY
78 F250



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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:21:40 -0800
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FE site


Try these two
   http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fomoco.com/forumfe/
   http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://network54.com/Forum/21142
Lots of FE specific info,also lots of swearing ,name calling and
bickering.
No where near as professional as FTE, but some good info

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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 01:25:22 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FE site


At 01:21 AM 1/1/01, you wrote:

>Try these two
>    http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fomoco.com/forumfe/
>    http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://network54.com/Forum/21142
>Lots of FE specific info,also lots of swearing ,name calling and
>bickering.
>No where near as professional as FTE, but some good info

The FE forum in our message boards enjoy quite a bit of traffic,
check it out.  There's also the FE club, linked in our links.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: FE site
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:26:40 -0600


Of course, the FTE site has it's own FE message board at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForum
ID7&conf=DCConfID1

Jason Kendrick


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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 02:53:48 EST
Subject: Re: Another headlight question........

You're very close to teh problem, a thermal circuit breaker in the light
switch is triping and killing your lights. When cooled down, it resets and
the lights work again. Sure cure si to replace the light switch.

George M in Fl.


In a message dated 12/30/00 10:53:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
williams22470 hotmail.com writes:


> I have been having problems w/ my headlights. They will begin to blink on
> and off randomly. This has only happened to me a few times but the
> conditions were nearly identical. Extremely cold outside,very warm inside
> the cab. Last time this happened I stopped and opened the drivers door and
> cooled the cab off..... No more blinking until the cab was hot again. My
> question is; Are the headlight switches in these trucks (mine is a '74)
> prone to deterioration w/ heat? Does a new switch generally cure this or do
> I need to look elsewhere?  Thanks in advance!





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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: FE site
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 03:21:37 -0500


i tried going to this site and got a error message to notify the
administrator of it that it was no longer available
gordon
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForum




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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: FE site
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 02:55:02 -0600


My mail program has split up the link. You'll have to type in the rest of
the url. Or you could click on the Message Boards link on the right side of
any FTE page and scroll down about halfway. There are quite a few message
boards... Sorry for the confusion.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForum

This needs to be added to the above link.
ID7&conf=DCConfID1

Jason Kendrick




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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:27:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Don Harby <harby mim.atc.org>
Subject: engine swap


I have a 1978 f-150 4wd with a 300 4speed.  What is needed to put in a
351W?  Are custom mounts needed or can it be done with a combination of
stock parts?
Thanks,
Don Harby


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: snowmobile parts
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:27:51 -0800


He has a 72 and now has it running but may be running lean.  He put it
together so who knows :-)

This is my first post since Ken redid the protections.  Hope it comes
through.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


> I appologise for the off-topic post, but I have some to add.
>
> I have a '75 Suzuki Fury that I just got going, I know what you
> mean about
> finding parts.


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Toploader weight
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:40:46 -0600


How much does the toploader four speed transmission weigh? I'm talking about
the one used in 1960's vintage cars. I can get a really good deal on one,
but I've got to carry it out. Thanks,
Jason Kendrick


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Toploader weight
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:46:43 -0600


I think i figured out how much they weigh. About 98 pounds. Thanks anyway!
Jason Kendrick

----- Original Message -----
> How much does the toploader four speed transmission weigh? I'm talking
about
> the one used in 1960's vintage cars. I can get a really good deal on one,
> but I've got to carry it out. Thanks,



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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:18:48 -0900
From: Matthew Schumacher <schu schu.net>
Subject: Headers and gas Mileage and np205


Ok,

The truck is running 3.50 gears on metric tires (about 32").  In the
summer time I run 33x12.5" tires.

Because the gearing seems ok, and the general opinion of the list is
that headers will not help much, I am now looking into getting part time
4wd.

I have an NP203 in my garage with a part time kit I got with some other
parts I bought, and it has very little play, I can only turn the back
side of the yoke  1/4" before the transmission side starts turning, and
it is very smooth.

But as long as I am doing the transfer case swap, I would like to get a
NP205, besides another friend of mine is having major t-case problems so
he wants the 203 I have anyway.

So I found another NP205 t-case here in town, and the guy is willing to
sell it for $100. It came out of a bronco and it is the married type. So
the question is, what will I need to swap to get get this in?  Will the
linkage work?  What about the cross member?

For your reference, here is a picture of the current t-case and cross
member:

www.schu.net/crossmember.html

Thanks

schu




> From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:16:44 GMT
> Subject: Re: Headers and gas Mileage
>
> >I have a 76 F-150 with a 390.   Right my truck is only getting 7 mpg, so
> >I am looking into ways to increase the gas mileage.
>
> I can understand that, I've got a mild 76 390 in my 70's truck...
>
> > It has the stock
> >np203 in it right now, so I am already making plans to replace it with a
> >205 or put a part time kit in it.  I assume that will make a fair amount
> >of difference,
>
> It made some for me, but not a lot ... mostly it helped with the power ... that
> was with the tired old 360 though too...
>
> but what about the engine?  It has the stock compression
> >ratio, factory 4bbl intake manifold, Holly 600cfm with vacuum
> >secondaries, a Crane RV cam, and the stock exhaust manifolds.
>
> Mine is set up similarly, though not exactly ... did you swap the intake on
> yourself ?  Its odd to find a 390 equipped 4x4 from the factory ...
>
> >I wonder
> >if any of you might have some input on how much mileage is to be gained
> >from headers.
>
> Dunno, probably none 'cause you won't be able to keep your foot out of it :)
>
> What sort of gears/tires are you running ?  I've got 30" tires with 3.50 gears
> and am getting a solid 10mpg and it needs a tune up badly ... with the old 2V
> and 360 I was getting 12 all the time ... so 7 sounds a bit low to me ... if
> you do mostly in town that could hurt it a bit, but mine was 12 no matter what
> I did to it and seems to be 10 now no matter what, but I confess I don't check
> it every time, just when I think of it.
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

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From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: brakes
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:31:20 -0600


>     If you have front disc brakes (1969 F-series) then you must depress
the
> bleeder button on the metering valve when bleeding the front brakes. It
will
> also be necessary to centralize the pressure differential valve after
> bleeding the system.


Michael,
I have a 79 with front disc brakes. If this still applies, please describe
the procedure in more detail. TIA.
--John LaGrone
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
See Henry at: http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm


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From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:33:24 -0500
Subject: CA 66-73 smog checks back ?



Hi All- thought you guys out west might want a heads up on this. The smog
Nazis are at it again.   I'll sure miss Carol Browner.... :-)    Phil
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: John Miller
To: galaxie mix.twistedpair.ca
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:47:00 -0800
Subject: CA 66-73 smog checks back?

The following is the text of a note received from the N.M.A. a day or two
ago:

---

The return of Smog Checks for 1966-73 model vehicles has been proposed by

the CA Inspection & Maintenance Review Committee (IMRC).  The CA
legislature had exempted '73 and older vehicles from the program.  Now
the
IMRC wants to reinstate the smog checks.  It's extremely important for
all
interested parties (tell your friends who may own collector or special
interest cars, hot rods, muscle cars, etc.) to make an effort to attend
the
meeting in Sacramento on January 18.

Meeting is :

Date: January 18, 2001
Time: 10AM
Place: Department of Consumer Affairs, 400 R Street, Sacramento

Questions?  Contact:

Jim Thomas, CA NMA State Chapter Coordinator
415-924-2184
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From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Parts for sale
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 23:03:47


I have a few parts from my 1967 F100 that I am wanting to get rid of, the
original gas tank, and the transmission for starters, if anyone is
interested or needing any other part that I may have let me know.

Chris
67 F100 (going back together)

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From: "bballlauer1" <bballlauer1 email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Parts for sale
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:10:39 -0600


Chris: Where does that gas tank fit? I have a ,65 and have been looking for
a tank that would fit under the bed.
Thanks   Dick Lauer



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From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Parts for sale
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 23:38:32


It is the "Behind the seat" type.

Chris
67 F100 (going back together)


>From: "bballlauer1" <bballlauer1 email.msn.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Parts for sale
>Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:10:39 -0600
>
>
>Chris: Where does that gas tank fit? I have a ,65 and have been looking for
>a tank that would fit under the bed.
>Thanks   Dick Lauer
>
>
>

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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:10:23 EST
Subject: Re: engine swap

I did that about 5 yrs. ago all you need are the eng. mts. for the 351 and
you will locate them in the back hole in the frame.  IE where the six
cyl.eng.mounts bolted to the frame thier should be two sets of mt holes you
want the back ones not the ones the 300 eng.uses.



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:29:25 EST
Subject: Re: Headers and gas Mileage and np205

In a message dated 1/1/01 2:19:15 PM Central Standard Time, schu schu.net
writes:


> So I found another NP205 t-case here in town, and the guy is willing to
> sell it for $100. It came out of a bronco and it is the married type. So
> the question is, what will I need to swap to get get this in?  Will the
> linkage work?  What about the cross member?
>
>

I checked checked out your pic's.  The cross member looks like a different
mt. than my NP205 with a 435 4-speed bolted to it.

Glenn  NY
78 F250



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From: "Andersons" <robertan cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Update on parts for sale
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:51:10 -0500


Don, I found a place that could repair my driveshaft- no longer needed.
BUT, I DO need a 9" Ford rear axle now (yes, this thing is bleeding me to
death).  Just the pumpkin would do, but I'd take the whole axle...would need
to be 3.50 ratio gears to work for me.  Got one?

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:27 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update on parts for sale


> The front driveshaft is in decent shape.
> I don't know if it will bolt up to a np435 though.
>
> -Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andersons" <robertan cfw.com>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:10 AM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update on parts for sale
>
>
> > Is the front driveshaft in decent shape?  Any chance it would bolt up to
> my
> > '77 F-150 w/ NP435 trans?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> > To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 1:58 PM
> > Subject: [61-79-list] Update on parts for sale
> >
> >
> > > Update:
> > >
> > > Sold so far:
> > >
> > > Front Axle
> > > Rear Axle
> > > Windshield
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone want anything else????
> > > I got the married version of the np205 with a c6.  In decent shape.
> > Tranny
> > > doesn't slip.
> > >
> > > -Don
> > >
> > >
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: brakes
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:58:17 -0800


Ok, I have become somewhat of an expert on the 78/9 truck brakes and I can
tell you that you can certainly bleed them without "pulling" the pin on the
proportioning valve but the book says you are supposed to, especially if you
are "Reverse Pressure Bleeding" them.  The "Warning Light" pin will self
align most of the time.  The reason it doesn't is because the old, rusty
valves also have rusted pins and it takes a heck of a shot to the pedal to
move them....if they move at all.  The pin doesn't actually do anything but
turn on the light as far as I could tell (I completely disassembled one :-))
It operates a switch but is simply controlled by pressure balance from both
sides which is also the reason it will self-center when the brakes are
properly adjusted. (if the pin can move at all)

The "Residual" pin mentioned in the discussion is an extension of the
residual valve stem and must be "Pulled" out to release the pressure.  Ford
has a special tool for this which is simply a "U" shaped flat spring with a
notch in it to catch the head of the pin and a hole large enough on the
other leg to let the pin slip through and act as the base etc...Depress the
U, slip it over the pin and slide it into the notch and release to let the
spring pull the pin outward while you work on it.

Gravity bleeding is pretty simple and the neat thing about it is you can do
all of them at the same time if you want to "Initiate" the process.  (this
can get messy though :-))  I like to wrap the bleeder threads with teflon
tape and do one at a time in the same order prescribed by the pros, furthest
from the MC first and progressively closer as you go.  I like to use a clear
tube so I can actually see the bubbles as they come out.  Trust me, this
really helps to diagnose your problems.  Without it you are guessing, no
matter how skilled you may think you are.

If you have: New MC, rear wheel cylinders, good calipers, decent brake parts
all around and a new proportioning valve and have properly bled the MC and
bled the system and.....you are still having "intermittant" braking problems
then I would bet a months pay on the booster or some component associated
with it.

If, OTOH, only the rear brakes are intermittant then you have a bad MC and
should take it back for a warranty exchange.  Rebuilt MC's are notorious for
not working out of the box.  I just ran into one that had frozen rear
cylinders which I found after replacing all the lines.  After replacing the
wheel cylinders the "Bad MC" suddenly became good again (happily, I must say
:-)) But....I have done everything right and still could not get them to
work and a new/rebuilt MC fixed the problem so......

A bad Proportioning valve will cause any of several problems but the one I
replaced caused the brakes to be very mushy because of the bad residual
valve....I had to pump like mad to get any pedal....at which point the
brakes worked very well but panic stops were out of the question.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> >     If you have front disc brakes (1969 F-series) then you must depress
> the
> > bleeder button on the metering valve when bleeding the front brakes. It
> will
> > also be necessary to centralize the pressure differential valve after
> > bleeding the system.
>
>
> Michael,
> I have a 79 with front disc brakes. If this still applies, please describe
> the procedure in more detail. TIA.
> --John LaGrone


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: brakes
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:24:36 -0600


Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary wrote:
Rebuilt MC's are notorious for not working out of the box.
=======================================
I couldn't agree with Gary more! I went through three rebuilt master
cylinders before I gave up and spent another $80 (for a total of $125) to
get a brand new Wagner mc. Problem solved!

Jason Kendrick


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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Flush for heater core
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:47:17 -0800



>
> Azie
>   I myself have not had any success with flush kits for
> heater cores.By the
> time I get through with all the B.S. it has always been
> easier just spend the
> $20-$30 bucks to put a new one in.  Never had any problems since.
>
>
>
Something an old friend of mine did once was to disconnect both heater hoses
and then used a steam pressure washer to blast the core clean.

Tom H

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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge Troubles...
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:47:19 -0800



>
> Yes, I think I've checked everything that I've read about on archive
> messages regarding the gauge system on my '77 F150 4x4.
> Here's a short
> list:
>
> -Replaced IVR- can read the pulsating voltage at the sender
> wire at tank
> -Short sender wire to ground at tank- good FULL reading on gauge
> -Removed/cleaned/checked sender in tank
> -Read sender resistance w/ DVM- sweeps 85 to 20 ohms (full)
> -Connect sender to harness- always reads EMPTY.  Right at E
> mark, comes up
> off peg a little.
>
> I'm left wondering about the integrity of grounds, but all
> the other gauges
> work OK.  I've got real heavy rust in the rear frame area- thinking of
> running a ground wire up to the front chassis from sender.  Any other
> suggestions?  TIA
>
> Bob
....


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