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61-79-list Digest Tue, 26 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 379

In This Issue:
FWD  From J. Hansen
Re: Electrical Woes Fixed
Tasmanian Fords Report
Re: Accessory for my truck!
Re: Accessory for my truck!
Model TT Truck Help Needed
Re: Accessory for my truck!
Wishing you the best this Christmas season
Re: Electrical Woes Fixed
Reversed Polarity
Re: Accessory for my truck!
Ford Parts
Re: ...Tow strap
Re: Engine Tranny install question
Re: snowmobile parts
rust, my worst fear   Folks,       To my horror, last nig
rust my worst fear
Re: rust my worst fear
Re: rust, my worst fear   Folks,       To my horror, last
Re: rust my worst fear
Re: rust my worst fear

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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: FWD  From J. Hansen
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:20:15 -0500



Hey Rich, Can you post this for me:

Merry Christmas from Toulon France, and Happy New years from... Can't tell
ya that yet or some raghead would be laying in wait.  Can't wait to get back
and drive the ol' Muny Pit.  I can just hear her whining now, sitting there
in the storage lot without any attention all this time.  Gee,  just sitting
there, I wonder what all has broken down on her thus far.  Trying to save
money for those new headers, but it's hard when there are some many exotic
beers, ciders, wines, and foods to be tested.

PS  Anybody have the WEB address for L&L products:

HMC(SW/AW/FMF) Jeffery A. Hansen
Independent Duty Hospital Corpsman
USS ARLEIGH BURKE(DDG-51)
FPO AE 09560-1269
(757)444-1692
Embody the COURAGE  to
HONOR your COMMITMENT




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From: "Gary&Sally lni" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Electrical Woes Fixed
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:15:02 -0700

Well, If I remember my battery tech, the plates are made of different material and as the battery discharges the material is swapped to some degree but the base material isn't supposed to be attacked during normal use.  When you reverse the polarity you have already done serious damage I would think.  Lead/acid batterys only have a few full discharges in them.  The way it works is the deeper you discharge it the deeper into the substrate you get thus the more wear and tear you put on the plates.  By keeping it fully charged all the time, which is what a vehicle alternatore does, they last a long time but if you discharge it all the way even a couple of times you will notice a very marked reduction in the amp/hours or it's ability to crank the engine in cold weather or for extended (hard starting) cranking sessions.  When you reverse the polarity you do a really super job of discharging it, so to speak.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
Pot Hole Jumping, Gary
--

  Now I have a question for the list. Can the polarity of this battery be
 reversed again, so that the positive post is again positive, without harming
 my battery charger? If so, would this further weaken the battery? Any
 thoughts appreciated!




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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:15:04 -0800
From: Tim Bowman <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Tasmanian Fords Report


My wife and I just returned on Christmas Day from a two plus week
vacation in Tasmania (an island state of Australia off the southeast
corner of the main Australian continent.  Below are a few highlights of
my Ford spottings (just the trucks to keep it FTE content):

A 66 F500 with 13K on the odometer in a farmer's barn.  It was a former
airport vehicle.  It's for sale if any one is interested.  Absolutely
pristine!  Has the original tires.  Unblemished chassis.  But keep in
mind that it's in a country town in Tasmania!

A '55 Ford F100.  When I went to get a picture of this truck, the owner
chatted eagerly with me about it.  Apparently he has had it for 35 years
and just got it running a few days before I saw it.  It has a 272 motor,
truck 4 speed, a '54 radiator, 2 alternators, and he is converting it to
run on propane.  He's put a tray on the back (their term for a flatbed)
so he can haul a 5th wheel around which contains his living quarters and
his repair facility for marine electronics.  When I mentioned that I had
a '56 he immediately knew the wrap around windshield body style.

As soon as I can get pictures organized and scanned in, I'll post them
on my website.

In any event, it was an unbelievable trip to a terrific land.  The
people were incredibly friendly.  The scenery was magnificent, the flora
and fauna were so different from the North American Continent.

A belated Christmas to all, and have a prosperous NEW YEAR!
--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman qwest.net
Website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
  (Pacific NW Carshow Information & more)

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From: "Gary&Sally lni" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Accessory for my truck!
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:18:04 -0700

He found a piston for it :-)  He's out putting it back together as we speak.  Turns out we have a couple of snowmobile junk yards in the area.....:-)

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
Pot Hole Jumping, Gary
--

 There's a guy in Cocoa Beach, FL that makes all the racing pistons for drag
 bike Suzuki's (most of them, anyway). If you send the piston, he can CNC it.



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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:19:48 -0900
From: Matthew Schumacher <schu schu.net>
Subject: Re: Accessory for my truck!



Yea, I know how he feels, I too have had projects get out of hand....

I think your best bet is going to be to find someone to make another
piston, but it will be expensive.

One of those things where it it would nice to have a newer model so that
you can find parts, but I'm sure your son wants to throw it away as much
as I want to replace my 390 :)

Here are a couple of places for him to try, tell him good luck....


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alssnowmo.com/snowmobileindex.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.danssalvage.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thesledshed.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.imageenterprises.com/

schu



> From: "Gary&Sally lni" <gpeters3 lni.net>
> Subject: Re: Accessory for my truck!
> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:54:50 -0700
>
> Very nice! :-)
>
> My son bought an old one for a few dollars and spent every waking hour working on it, got it running real nice, had a little fun with it and .........blew a piston.....which apparently can't be replaced :-(  I feel for him cuz I know exactly how he feels.........He's going to call around today to see if anyone knows of a custom piston company that can make one for him.  (BTW, it's a early 80's Suzuki which some dealers say never existed :-))  He's got the thing scattered all over my barn right now.....(but I "helped" him arrange it so I can get my trucks in :-))
>
> We have about a foot of snow on the ground and he won't have it running until it melts probably...... sthawayitgoes sometime, eh?
>
> --
> Happily Retired (but broke)
> 78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
> Pot Hole Jumping, Gary

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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:18:54 -0800
From: Tim Bowman <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Model TT Truck Help Needed


Could anyone help me find a set of running boards for a '25 Model T
truck (they're shorter than the passenger car).  Please reply to me
offlist.

Thanks for your help.
--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman qwest.net
Website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
  (Pacific NW Carshow Information & more)

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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:13:29 -0700
From: Dave Oneal <dave davesmonsterpit.com>
Subject: Re: Accessory for my truck!

I wish I had got a whole new sled, instead I got my sleds engine rebuilt
(buy a performance shop of course). I also got a new Grant Challenger
steering wheel for the truck.

At 08:54 AM 12/25/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Very nice! :-)
>
>My son bought an old one for a few dollars and spent every waking hour
>working on it, got it running real nice, had a little fun with it and
>.........blew a piston.....which apparently can't be replaced :-(  I feel
>for him cuz I know exactly how he feels.........He's going to call around
>today to see if anyone knows of a custom piston company that can make one
>for him.  (BTW, it's a early 80's Suzuki which some dealers say never
>existed :-))  He's got the thing scattered all over my barn right
>now.....(but I "helped" him arrange it so I can get my trucks in :-))
>
>We have about a foot of snow on the ground and he won't have it running
>until it melts probably...... sthawayitgoes sometime, eh?
>
>--
>Happily Retired (but broke)
>78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
>Pot Hole Jumping, Gary
>--
>   Check out this Ford truck accessory my wife got me for christmas:
>
>   www.schu.net/snowmachine/summitx.gif
>
>   It looks quite nice in the bed of my 76 F-150 :)
>
>   schu

Dave

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.davesmonsterpit.com


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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Wishing you the best this Christmas season
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:18:04 -0800


Well, another year is almost gone.  I want to thank everyone for their
comraderie and advice.  I pray for best for you and yours.  May you all be
blessed this season.  We are all brought together by a common interest in a
material possession, but the friendships that have occurred on this list and
the quality of people I have met here goes far beyond that.  Thankyou Ken
for providing this forum and thanks to anyone else helping him do this.

Good luck in the coming year and God bless you all.

Tom H.

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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:02:49 EST
Subject: Re: Electrical Woes Fixed


In a message dated 12/26/2000 1:09:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kendrick mddc.com writes:

<< Now I have a question for the list. Can the polarity of this battery be
reversed again, so that the positive post is again positive, without harming
my battery charger? If so, would this further weaken the battery? Any
thoughts appreciated!
 >>
The battery is damaged now, how much?  Hard to tell.  My Dad did not like the
idea of wearing the glasses that he needed.  So, I have been witness to this
problem. Try not to bounce the battery around much as it is more prone to
have the plate material flake off when the wrong material is on the wrong
plate.  Discharge the battery, such as turning the lights on for 12 hours or
more, you do not want the voltage to rebound. Then slowly recharge the
battery with the correct polarity at low amperage.  Will it have good
capacity and a long life, maybe, some of Dad's batteries ran farm equipment
for several years after being re-reversed.  After the battery is fully
discharged it should not damage your charger.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Reversed Polarity
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:12:29 -0600

Jason K. writes:  >>  Now I have a question for the list. Can the polarity of this battery be
reversed again, so that the positive post is again positive, without harming
my battery charger? If so, would this further weaken the battery? Any
thoughts appreciated!<<

DO NOT TAKE THIS FOR Gospel, but I've been told that if you
completely discharge it, then you can reverse the polarity.  I was also
told that you have to completely discharge it and leave it for a couple
of days and insure that it is still discharged, and if not, then do it again
and repeat until there is absolutely no charge in it, then hook it up
correctly to your charger and trickle charge it for a couple of days
then increase the charge rate slowly until it is fullly recharged.  I have
no idea if this really works or not, so take it for what it is worth..



Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Shelley Batty" <shelba molalla.net>
Subject: Re: Accessory for my truck!
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:19:49 -0800


Have him try wiseco -- they do lots of "unusual" pistons for the M/C crowd,
they may be able to set him up.

HTH

Thom Batty
66 F250 Utility
& Other toys

-----Original Message-----
blew a piston.....which apparently can't be replaced :-(  I feel for him cuz
I know exactly how he feels.........He's going to call around today to see
if anyone knows of a custom piston company that can make one for him.


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:16:52 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann <herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Ford Parts



Hi All!!

In the past few weeks I have been contacted by some of our members asking
if I had more of them Dealer Cost figures on some popular Ford Truck Parts.
Many wanted to purchase these for Christmas gifts and others for personal
use. As always, I am showing you the actual "Dealer Cost" for your benefit
only. So if you have a friend or family member that works for a Ford or
Lincoln - Mercury dealership, then you might be able talk them into saving
you some money. Or maybe you can use the figure to negotiate a better
price.  Remember, these are all "Genuine Ford Parts":


COST RETAIL
73/79 Tiedown Hooks $14.66 $20.94
73/79 Lower or Upper
Tailgate Mouldings $59.91 $99.85
73/79 F-O-R-D Tailgate
Panel $79.19 $131.98
77/79 Inner Fender Liners $76.67 $127.78
78/79 Grille Shell $122.76 $204.60
73/77 Steering Wheel $120.86 $201.43
73/77 Horn Bar (plain) $45.35 $75.58
73/77 6x9 Western Mirror $35.00 $58.33
78/79 Western Mirror $44.00 $73.33
73/79 R or L DOORS $232.45 $387.42
78/79 Chrome Bumper Front   $222.44 $370.74
73/75 Argent Grille Insert $45.91 $76.52
67/72 Taillight Lens $16.86 $28.10
69/?  Turn Signal Switch $31.37 $52.28
72/77 Side Vent (in-cab) $33.94 $56.56
68/70 Washer Reservor $17.57 $29.28
71/79 Washer Reservor $13.60 $22.67
67/72 Hood Bumper w/Brkt $31.84 $53.06
73/79 Wiper Arm $18.82 $28.95
1970  Grille Shell only $328.29 $547.15
71/72 Grille Shell only $288.21 $480.35
80/86 Bronco & 84/? Bronco II-
Horse Ornament $10.34 $17.23
78/79 Horn Bar (plain) - Obsolete
78/79 Steering Wheel (PWR) - Obsolete
73/79 Rear Bumper chrome - Obsolete
61/66 Hood Bumpers - Obsolete
73/79 All Dash Bezels - Obsolete
73/79 ALL Bedsides - Obsolete


These are only items which I have priced out in the past six weeks and are
for your information only. Feel free to email me off list if you need help
with Part Numbers on the above items.

Take care and Happy Holidays!!!!

Dan Herrmann
64 f100 Custom cab
66 f100 Custom cab
69 f100 Ranger
75 f150 Explorer
79 f150 Ranger XLT
92 Tempo GL (wifes car)
92 f150 Custom (daily driver)


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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:41:28 -0500
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: ...Tow strap


>I'm shooting for lockers, front and rear :-)  I'll use a chain til I get
>that done :-)  BTW, I've used chain for 40 years with only one,
>anticipated, mishap.  Because it was anticipated no one was injured.  When
>you work on a farm you learn or die.....

We've used a chain numerous times but it's nice to have a tow strap with
actual hooks on it so that you don't have to try to tie a chain around the
bumper! :-) Not that I could put anything on my bumpers...they're held on
with low-grade bolts. I really must do something about that. I did buy
myself a pair of tow hooks that I'll have to mount on the frame, though I
may wait until after I have that new garage.

A chain works fairly well but it's rather unforgiving. We've found it a
better option if you also put an old tire, less the rim, between the trucks
and two pieces of chain. (You can do it with one really long length of
chain but it's a little trickier to get the tire attached). That way the
tire acts as a shock absorber when the guy in the back truck let's too much
slack get in the chain and it gets jerked tight again. Saves a lot of
unwanted stress on the bumpers of the trucks!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:22:47 -0500
From: "JB MCIWorld" <jeffrey.bennett mciworld.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Tranny install question


If you have the time, you can remove the front clip as
one piece, which will make the installation much easier.
This way you won't have to lift the engine/tran over the
front end. With the front clip off, the engine/tran will
go straight in.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim and Pam
> Allgire
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:09 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Engine Tranny install question
>
>
>
> seems like it ought to fit. might have to remove the tranny crossmember in
> order to get it in at an angle first then tilt it up  level.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JUMPINFORD aol.com <JUMPINFORD aol.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:01 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Engine Tranny install question
>
>
> >Hey everyone,
> >
> >   Quick question, Im about to install a 78 400/c6 combo into a 73 F-250.
> >Has anyone ever dropped the engine and tranny in through the engine
> >compartment assembled?  I HATE putting C-6's in trucks, and If I can get
> away
> >with putting it all in through the engine bay, Im gonna do it.
> Looks like
> it
> >will go, but its hard to eyeball that 1/2 inch that makes something
> >impossible, so I figured Id toss it your way.  Im hopin to have this
> swapped
> >soon, need to sell this thing.
> >
> >Quick question # 2
> >
> >Im gettin real close to bein done, figured Id ask about what the truck is
> >worth.  its a 73 F-250 Camper Special Ranger XLT.  Body is 90% straight,
> >Absolutely no rust.  Original Las Vegas truck.  Has 75k original miles,
> Drove
> >real nice when I bought it.  Only reason its getting the 400 Is the
> original
> >motor was a 390, needed a Valve job.  I decided to pull the 390
> and rebuild
> >it as a 406 as it had the FT block in it.  Right after I got the motor
> >pulled, I got my F-350 and promptly gave up on the lesser of the
> t trucks.
> It
> >has all the camper wiring, sway bars, and the dual battery
> setup.  The 400
> >thats going in only has 50k miles on it.  It does need tires, but they
> arent
> >so bad you couldnt drive it a few months.  I may even have the A/C up and
> >working when I sell, just need to dig up the correct pulleys and bracket
> for
> >the 400.  I will have pics of it available soon.
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >Darrell & Tweety
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: snowmobile parts
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:02:12


I appologise for the off-topic post, but I have some to add.

I have a '75 Suzuki Fury that I just got going, I know what you mean about
finding parts.  Most of the parts guys said "Suzuki didn't make a
snowmobile."  or "bet you're having a hard time finding parts for that one."
 I finally found parts through www.centralsnowmobile.com  800-558-6778.
They handle new and used parts, they sent me a free 300 page catalog.  Very
good to deal with, not a single complaint from me...

Give it a try.

It sure looks good in the back of my '73 F100 (FTE content), both from the
same era.

Marty

----------------------------------------
Gary wrote:
(BTW, it's a early 80's Suzuki which some dealers say
never existed :-))
_________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:03:45 -0500
From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
Subject: rust, my worst fear   Folks,       To my horror, last nig





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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:08:41 -0500
From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
Subject: rust my worst fear


Folks,

To my horror, last night, I went to my DRY storage to get my crankshaft
I had a sad discovery. When I first saw it in the light through the plastic it
had an odd color. Then the horror struck RUST. 2 journals (mains) are
completely, although lightly, covered. 1 rod journal is 1/2 way round rusted.
This is light, I assume, but I can feel it with a finger nail. It had been
index
ground, polished, and balanced.

Can I clean it somehow (Suggestions PLEASE). I really don't want to bring it
down any more, it is currently 10/10. If I can clean it up, then I will
measure it and be able to make a better decision.

A number of things came to mind, plastic cleaning pads, crocus cloth,
naval jelly. I figured I would ask the experts out there in net land. You have
been most helpful in the past.

I also sent this to the fordnatics list.

Apologies for the last post with the long subject, even my fingers are
getting fat, happy holidays!

Thanks,
Bill


------------------------------

From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: rust my worst fear
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:44:07 -0600


Bill, I would be tempted to try the naval jelly first, and hit the residual
stuff with a strip of crocus cloth and some 10w-40. Or you might even call
the machine shop and see what they recommend.

Jason Kendrick

> A number of things came to mind, plastic cleaning pads, crocus cloth,
> naval jelly. I figured I would ask the experts out there in net land. You
have
> been most helpful in the past.
>
>


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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:05:11 EST
Subject: Re: rust, my worst fear   Folks,       To my horror, last

I think I would try a green scrub pad (the ones used for scrubbing pots and
pans) with some cutting  or other lite grade oil.  This will take off the
light stuff and you will be able to see if it's pitted or not.  If it's
pitted and thier not to deep some crocus cloth and like oil should work for
you.  Let us know how it works out.



------------------------------

From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:15:53 EST
Subject: Re: rust my worst fear


In a message dated 12/27/2000 7:14:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
vze259s7 verizon.net writes:

<< Can I clean it somehow (Suggestions PLEASE). I really don't want to bring
it
down any more, it is currently 10/10. If I can clean it up, then I will
measure it and be able to make a better decision.
 >>
Something like Naval Jelly can dissolve the rust and remove it.  Iron oxide
takes up considerably more space than did the iron that was converted to
rust.  If the rust was light there should be minable pitting on the journals.
You may find it hard to believe, but the polishing process used by the pros
removes very little metal and your crank probably could be repolished and
still be in spec.  Good Luck  I always rub all of the journals down with oil
and then bag tightly to keep the dirt out.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "Keith" <a2jkeith gci.net>
Subject: Re: rust my worst fear
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:42:29 -0900


Well, if ya dont mind a bit of a mess, try putting it in a bucket of Coke
for a day or two, maybe less. I know that the peeps at Boeing use cocacola
to eat rust off of parts and stuff there, it may be worth a try, then all ya
gotta do is lick off the excess(redneck way) or wash it off (preffered
traditional way).
Keith
71F250 4wd
-----Original Message-----
From: William D. Poudrier <vze259s7 verizon.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 6:13 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] rust my worst fear


>
>Folks,
>
>To my horror, last night, I went to my DRY storage to get my crankshaft
>I had a sad discovery. When I first saw it in the light through the plastic
it
>had an odd color. Then the horror struck RUST. 2 journals (mains) are
>completely, although lightly, covered. 1 rod journal is 1/2 way round
rusted.
>This is light, I assume, but I can feel it with a finger nail. It had been
>index
>ground, polished, and balanced.
>
>Can I clean it somehow (Suggestions PLEASE). I really don't want to bring
it
>down any more, it is currently 10/10. If I can clean it up, then I will
>measure it and be able to make a better decision.
>
>A number of things came to mind, plastic cleaning pads, crocus cloth,
>naval jelly. I figured I would ask the experts out there in net land. You
have
>been most helpful in the past.
>
>I also sent this to the fordnatics list.
> ....


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