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61-79-list Digest Thu, 21 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 374

In This Issue:
FE clutch
Re: 78 F-150 Engine swap???
Ballanger's Address
Posting won't go thru
Re: Ballanger's Address
1978 F-150 Engine Swap?
"z-max" is it any good?
Re: Posting won't go thru
Re: FE clutch
Re: EBrakes, fun in the snow...
Plans
Re: Headers and gas Mileage
Re: Headers and gas Mileage
[Fwd: Van Weatherstriping]
Re: Fun in the snow.
Re: 78 F-150 Engine swap???
Re: EBrakes, fun in the snow...
Re: is it lifted?
F Code Ranchero

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From: Raymond Parsons <rparsons conagrabeef.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:44:09 -0700
Subject: FE clutch




I am in need of replacing the clutch in my truck and would like the opinion of
the all-knowing list.  The truck is a 67 F250 Camper Special that is only used
for towing ;I pull a two horse trailer (loaded weight approx 6000 lbs).  Here
are my questions:

Is this repair difficult, or is it something a fairly handy person can do?  If I
choose not to do it myself, can anyone recommend a shop in the Denver area?
What clutch would be the best for this application?  Are any brands better than
others?  What about the different types i.e. diaphragm vs fork?

Are there any questions I am not asking?

Again, thanks for your input.

Ray



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From: "BJ Frederick" <akimp alaska.net>
Subject: Re: 78 F-150 Engine swap???
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:30:10 -0900


Stefen:
    The correct engine for your truck is the 351m, in order to bolt up to
your C6, I have that set up in my 77 F150. I live in Soldotna and there are
quite a few of them in this area. So what are you going to do with that 460
you are pulling out? I am looking for a good one for another project truck
down here.

BJ 77F150 4x4 400 C/6
Flairside "Bubba Grape"



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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:28:35 -0800
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Ballanger's Address


Anybody got an e-mail address for Bill?

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:27:28 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: Posting won't go thru


Ken:  My last 2 posts have failed to go thru.  Am I doing something
wrong?

Al

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From: "James Barker" <jbarker proms.com>
Subject: Re: Ballanger's Address
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:34:47 -0800


ballingr sbmu.net

Subject: [61-79-list] Ballanger's Address



Anybody got an e-mail address for Bill?

-M-


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From: Stefan Rearden <stefan gci.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:43:39 -0900
Subject: 1978 F-150 Engine Swap?


Do any of you know where I can find a website or the correct
information telling me which engine chassis combinations are allowed
for my model year??  I've tried reading through the AK emissions
regulations on the internet, but they leave a lot open for
interpretation.  I'd like to leave the 460 in, but the VIN shows that
the 351 was the original motor.  What original emissions equipment came
with the 351 and the 460?  Also, if it comes down to me needing to swap
the 460 for a 351M, is there any reason I couldn't use the 400M
instead?  How would the emissions folks know the difference?
I really appreciate all the help and info. you guys have offered so far.
Stefan


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From: Rizard209 aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:15:42 EST
Subject: "z-max" is it any good?

i saw this infomercial the other night about this product called "z-max"
......have any of you guys ever used it? they even supposedly have a warrenty
when you use thier product..... now ive read about other oil additives and
how bad they are...but this is the 1st one ive ever heard of with a
warrrenty....and i just wanted to get your insight on the matter...any info
would b appreciated.....



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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:25:46 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Posting won't go thru


At 01:27 PM 12/21/00, you wrote:

>Ken:  My last 2 posts have failed to go thru.  Am I doing something
>wrong?
>
>Al

When did you send them?

Ken


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: FE clutch
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:40:31 -0600

I can't say enough good things about Centerforce, I highly recommend you get one. The Centerforce Gold series is not that expensive and is a great clutch. It is not a very difficult job to replace the clutch, just get a shop manual for your truck. You will want to pull the flywheel off and have it machined flat by your local machine shop regardless of what clutch you decide to use, but this is especially important with a Centerforce.

Garrett www.1966ford.com



 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Raymond Parsons
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 11:44 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] FE clutch





 I am in need of replacing the clutch in my truck and would like the opinion of
 the all-knowing list.  The truck is a 67 F250 Camper Special that is only used
 for towing ;I pull a two horse trailer (loaded weight approx 6000 lbs).  Here
 are my questions:

 Is this repair difficult, or is it something a fairly handy person can do?  If I
 choose not to do it myself, can anyone recommend a shop in the Denver area?
 What clutch would be the best for this application?  Are any brands better than
 others?  What about the different types i.e. diaphragm vs fork?

 Are there any questions I am not asking?

 Again, thanks for your input.

 Ray





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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:05:21 -0500
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: EBrakes, fun in the snow...


>> with the 4WD to notice that I had left the e-brake on. I'm actually hoping
>> for some more snow - the whole city has pretty well been plowed so little
>> opportunity for fun now. I am getting more prepared for the next
>> dumping...Santa is br

Whoopee! Another snow storm rolls in today. All morning they were saying on
the radio how we'd be getting between 15 and 30 cm (wow! that's like 6-12
inches!). It started snowing a bit in the morning but by afternoon nothing.
But after work we went with a realtor looking at houses and it's been
coming down since. The 4x4 isn't as much fun with all the extra traction
when you'd rather go fish-tailin' around the corners but it sure beats
being on a little 2 degree slope and being unable to move!

As for getting stuck...I've done it way too many times in my 2WD and it
sucks! Unless you have a ton of weight in the back end, they just won't go!
Plus, I always found that you get the slightest bit of ice under one tire
and it's impossible to move the truck. Deep, loose packed snow was also
terrible. It's one thing when I'm getting stuck out at the inlaws who live
at the end of a long country road but when I was getting stuck in the 10
feet of laneway that I have to drive down to get to the street it was darn
frustrating. Granted I probably should have shoveled it out when the snow
first fell. :-)

A snowplow is darn tempting but I think we found our ideal starter home
tonight. The house is really nice inside with a woodstove in the large rec
room in the basement. But my favourite...a nice big, 22x26, wired,
insulated and heated garage! I've been a driveway mechanic for too
long...especially when something breaks in the middle of winter. Plus,
it'll be my garage! No more boring the father-inlaws and spending more time
looking for tools than working on the truck! Another bonus...a nice wide
driveway. SWMBO started getting a scared look in her eyes when I started
going on about having the "project" truck in the garage, the "parts" truck
in the driveway and still room for more! :-)


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Plans
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:52:33 -0600

Ox writes:  >>So what are your plans, make one outa 2??<<

Naw!!  Good idea though. An F350 Supercab 4X4..  Sounds tempting.

The Supercab is the truck I plan to pull my 5th wheel camper (not yet
purchased) with, if I can ever get my wife to join me in retirement,  and
the F250 4X4 rolling chassis will be another stallion in my stable.  I
just happen to have a complete '79 2wd F150 truck that has no motor
or tranny in it.  It has factory A/C, so it will eventually go on the F250
4X4 chassis (if the chassis is serviceable).  That will make me 2 F250
4X4's and both will have the NP205 divorced Case.  I have a 460 in
the other.  Don't yet know what I'll put in this latest one.  Maybe an
FE of very large displacement.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:21:53 -0900
From: Matthew Schumacher <schu schu.net>
Subject: Re: Headers and gas Mileage


Wish,

Thanks for the reply, the 390 and the 4bbl intake was on the truck when
I bought it, which is a good thing because I live in an emissions
controlled city.  Because the intake and the carb are factory options in
that year, I can legally run them on my truck, while everyone else is
stuck with the 2bbl combo.  If I ever wanted to sell them, I am sure
they would be worth some money...

I don't know what the gears are, but I am sure they are tall... I turn
about 2800 RPM (3rd gear on my c-6) to go 65mph with my summer tires on
which are 33x12.5 BFG mud terrains.  In the winter I run 235x85xR16 BFG
trac edges.  I mostly do in town driving, I haven't calculated the
mileage on the highway.

I'll right back with the gears, I need to get under the truck and look
for the tag.

thanks

schu




> From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:16:44 GMT
> Subject: Re: Headers and gas Mileage
>
> >I have a 76 F-150 with a 390.   Right my truck is only getting 7 mpg, so
> >I am looking into ways to increase the gas mileage.
>
> I can understand that, I've got a mild 76 390 in my 70's truck...
>
> > It has the stock
> >np203 in it right now, so I am already making plans to replace it with a
> >205 or put a part time kit in it.  I assume that will make a fair amount
> >of difference,
>
> It made some for me, but not a lot ... mostly it helped with the power ... that
> was with the tired old 360 though too...
>
> but what about the engine?  It has the stock compression
> >ratio, factory 4bbl intake manifold, Holly 600cfm with vacuum
> >secondaries, a Crane RV cam, and the stock exhaust manifolds.
>
> Mine is set up similarly, though not exactly ... did you swap the intake on
> yourself ?  Its odd to find a 390 equipped 4x4 from the factory ...
>
> >I wonder
> >if any of you might have some input on how much mileage is to be gained
> >from headers.
>
> Dunno, probably none 'cause you won't be able to keep your foot out of it :)
>
> What sort of gears/tires are you running ?  I've got 30" tires with 3.50 gears
> and am getting a solid 10mpg and it needs a tune up badly ... with the old 2V
> and 360 I was getting 12 all the time ... so 7 sounds a bit low to me ... if
> you do mostly in town that could hurt it a bit, but mine was 12 no matter what
> I did to it and seems to be 10 now no matter what, but I confess I don't check
> it every time, just when I think of it.
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:45:11 -0900
From: Matthew Schumacher <schu schu.net>
Subject: Re: Headers and gas Mileage


List,

It seems that the general list opinion are that headers don't really
help you with gas mileage. Most people admit to getting into it a little
more, but others are saying that it doesn't really make that much
difference.

On the other hand, 3 people mentioned that gearing is a better place to
start.  So I am going to look into changing the gearing.  Maybe I'll add
headers later to get more power out of the shorter gears, but I am
looking for mileage first.

Michael, you mentioned that you pass emissions with your hooker headers,
but unfortunately I can't do that.  In Anchorage, Alaska, on vehicles
newer than 74, the engine needs to be 100% stock (or factory option) or
the part needs to have a CARB EO number otherwise its illegal.  Most
states allow headers to be OEM replacements as long as the vehicle came
without a catalytic converter.  This makes Anchorage, Alaska more strict
than California and the strictest I have ever heard of.  On stuff 68 to
74 emissions are still required, but they don't do an under the hood
inspection, so they don't run your casting and part numbers to make sure
everything is stock.  Everything 67 and older does not require an IM.

So I guess I am looking for CARB approved parts (almost nonexistent) or
am an looking for 72-74 cab with the title in decent shape (same).

Later,

schu

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:50:16 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Van Weatherstriping]


Message-ID: <3A414B5C.1CE2 brightok.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:14:20 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
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Digesters:  I am trying to put a 78 Econoline back in good shape, I have
the Mechanics pretty much done and now for  the cosmetics.  Does any one
have a clue where I can get weatherstrip for the Back doors and the
rubber that goes around the rear door glass (Opening windows) the rest
of it I can get fron JC Whitless but those two items have eluded my
search.

Thanx

Al



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Fun in the snow.
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:13:54 -0800


One thing about the tractor is that it's made for this kind of work where a
truck, even a HD truck will be abused doing this kind of work so I agree,
don't put it on your bronco :-)  My truck is 3/4 ton, 8600 gvw, cost $500
and is thoroughly trashed already so it it breaks I still have a $500 plow
in very good condition and my bronco is still a "Station Wagon" as it should
be :-)

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Plowed my driveway once with the "new" Bronco.  The plow was sold the next
day.  I will
> stick with my tractor:>)
>
>
> Steve S.



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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 78 F-150 Engine swap???
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:26:00 -0500


My 78  also has the 351 M  with the c-6. It only has  52,000  original miles
on it.
-----Original Message-----
From: BJ Frederick <akimp alaska.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 78 F-150 Engine swap???


>
>Stefen:
>     The correct engine for your truck is the 351m, in order to bolt up to
>your C6, I have that set up in my 77 F150. I live in Soldotna and there are
>quite a few of them in this area. So what are you going to do with that 460
>you are pulling out? I am looking for a good one for another project truck
>down here.
>
>BJ 77F150 4x4 400 C/6
>Flairside "Bubba Grape"
>
>
>


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: EBrakes, fun in the snow...
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:19:30 -0800


Hadn't thought of that but makes real good sense.  I'll be looking at all
that "I" beam I have lying next the barn.....cut it up into 5' lengths, weld
it all together and stick it right up against the tail ga......oh, there is
no tail gate......and no floor either.....Uh, Ok, I'll weld it to the cross
members :-)

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)


> Another tip for plowing with an old truck (what else is there?): Put lotsa
> weight in the back. It makes the back work harder and takes alot of strain
off
> the front end.


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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: is it lifted?
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:22:22


I was told this didn't go through, so I'll try to write it all again.  If
it's a duplicate, just disregard this.

Jason wrote:
<My 77 has lift blocks that incorporate a piece that contacts the
bumpstop on
the frame.
It is factory original.  They aren't 4-6 inches, more like 2".>

I checked it out.  It has the blocks that you described and they measure 3
1/4 inches tall.  Sounds like it's stock to me too.  Sorry Darrell...

It is running 31x11.50 tires and they are terribly bald.  Would a 32x11.50
tire fit without rubbing.  I don't want to get into a lift.  I like it the
height it is.

Thanks Darrell, for asking about my perspective new pickup.  Everyone around
me is tired of hearing about it, they don't have the high appreciation for
ford trucks that we all have.

It's a '77 F150 4x4, 351M-2v, C6, part time t-case (is that a 205?).  It
appears stock and unmolested.  It meats all the criteria for me: 4x4,
halfton, good p/s, disc brakes, V8.  Cab is in good shape, little rust and
crinkled fender.  Box has normal rust over wheel wells and lower rear
corners.  And the price it right, hope I can get him down to $500.  All
hinges on whether I can sell my '73 F100 390 2wd, hate to see it go, but I
need 4x4.

Marty
-hoping to be in 4wheeling soon...
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:57:12 -0600
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: F Code Ranchero


Guys:  71 Ranchero advertised with an F code.  What does that mean?
Suposedly has a 429 engine.

Thanx

Al

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