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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:37:05 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server <listar  ford-trucks.com>
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Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #369 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Sat, 16 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 369 In This Issue: 79 Bronco instrument panel Re: hey Re: hey Re: hey off topic: cougar Re: hey Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel Re: New 8 Lug Wheels 3+1 OD Re: New 8 Lug Wheels Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel Re: 3+1 OD Re: off topic: cougar Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) Re: 3+1 OD Re: Limited Slip Dana 60 Rear? Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) Re: New 8 Lug Wheels Brakes...... Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel ENVY'S BOO BOO! =*( HVLP sprayers Divorced trans cases? Re: Divorced trans cases? Re: Overdrive tranny Re: 3+1 OD Re: HVLP sprayers Re: Engine missing - 1978 400 (Update #3) Re: Engine missing - 1978 400 (Update #3) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: 79 Bronco instrument panel Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:22:17 -0500 I've been trying to get the fuel and thermostat gauges working. (Mainly just the fuel, because I already have an aftermarket thermostat) I've replaced the fuel gauge with one from a yard, but that probably wasn't necessary because both shoot to FULL when a current is passed through them. The ALT and BRAKE lights work, along with the high beam and illumination (back) lights... so I'm guessing it's not the fuse. When I looked in my book, there didn't seem to be a fuse for the Fuel gauge. The next thing I suppose I should check is the sending unit, but I'm not really good with ohmages, amperage, where to place the connectors, etc.. Is there anything I might be overlooking here? Thanks, -bob- 79 Bronco 460 44's T18 79 Bronco 400 40's C6 ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: hey Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:01:00 -0600 i heard my cougar is worthing something just as is... xr7.. hmm time to do a search online to see what's up about them ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:17 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > > man did you SCORE a deal big time !!! not many big block Cougars around. > better fix it up & hold on to it for awhile. A freind of mine has a 67 Dan > Gurney Special Cougar that has less than 100,000 miles on it. it is a > 289-automatic. Vintage burgundy with black top & red leather interior. > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:17 PM > Subject: [61-79-list] hey > > > > > >hey remember that couger that i said i could buy. > >well it's a 67 xr7 it has the orignal 390 and i bought it for FREE!!!!! > > > >woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot > >of work... > > > >-Don > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: hey Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:01:32 -0600 He's from wisconsin :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > > Hey, who's your friend? That sounds like my friend's car =), there's a pic > of it on my website in the gallery, I need to take more of it though. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.flash.net/~bruce9 > > -----Original Message----- > From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim and Pam Allgire
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:18 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > > > man did you SCORE a deal big time !!! not many big block Cougars around. > better fix it up & hold on to it for awhile. A freind of mine has a 67 Dan > Gurney Special Cougar that has less than 100,000 miles on it. it is a > 289-automatic. Vintage burgundy with black top & red leather interior. > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:17 PM > Subject: [61-79-list] hey > > > > > >hey remember that couger that i said i could buy. > >well it's a 67 xr7 it has the orignal 390 and i bought it for FREE!!!!! > > > >woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot > >of work... > > > >-Don > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: hey Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:02:40 -0600 yup yup hehe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:23 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > Cool, a 390 in a Cougar would be fun! > > Garrett www.1966ford.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Thurlow > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:05 PM > Subject: [61-79-list] hey > > > > hey remember that couger that i said i could buy. > well it's a 67 xr7 it has the orignal 390 and i bought it for FREE!!!!! > > woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot > of work... > > -Don > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 00 13:11:38 PST From: Ryan Sturz <68classic usa.net>
Subject: off topic: cougar Don, I seriously envy you, not a joke. I used to have a beautiful '68, drunk driver crashed into it exactly one year ago, didn't have insurance and I never saw a cent. As to information on the web, check out this site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=cougars&list Also, go to egroups.com and sign up for the Classic Cougars mailing list. Lots of good people on that one! They will answer about every question you could have. When you're on the list, send your vin and doorplate info the Phil Parcells, he collects the info for a nationwide registry (the original data got destroyed in a fire at one of the Ford plants years ago). Congrats on you find and have fun! Ryan (wanting a Cougar again, badly) '77 F250 in SoCal > > i heard my cougar is worthing something just as is... xr7.. hmm time to do a > search online to see what's up about them > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:17 PM > Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > > > > > > man did you SCORE a deal big time !!! not many big block Cougars > around. > > better fix it up & hold on to it for awhile. A freind of mine has a 67 Dan > > Gurney Special Cougar that has less than 100,000 miles on it. it is a > > 289-automatic. Vintage burgundy with black top & red leather interior. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:17 PM > > Subject: [61-79-list] hey > > > > > > > > > >hey remember that couger that i said i could buy. > > >well it's a 67 xr7 it has the orignal 390 and i bought it for > FREE!!!!! > > > > > >woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a > lot > > >of work... > > > > > >-Don > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 ------------------------------ From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: hey Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:55:52 -0600 Mine's from Texas =), those are some awesome cars. -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Thurlow
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 3:02 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey He's from wisconsin :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > > Hey, who's your friend? That sounds like my friend's car =), there's a pic > of it on my website in the gallery, I need to take more of it though. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.flash.net/~bruce9 > > -----Original Message----- > From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim and Pam Allgire
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:18 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > > > man did you SCORE a deal big time !!! not many big block Cougars around. > better fix it up & hold on to it for awhile. A freind of mine has a 67 Dan > Gurney Special Cougar that has less than 100,000 miles on it. it is a > 289-automatic. Vintage burgundy with black top & red leather interior. > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:17 PM > Subject: [61-79-list] hey > > > > > >hey remember that couger that i said i could buy. > >well it's a 67 xr7 it has the orignal 390 and i bought it for FREE!!!!! > > > >woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot > >of work... > > > >-Don > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: BRussAZ aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:16:15 EST Subject: Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel In a message dated 12/16/00 12:23:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, xavetarx home.com writes:
<< The next thing I suppose I should check is the sending unit, but I'm not really good with ohmages, amperage, where to place the connectors, etc.. Is there anything I might be overlooking here? Thanks, -bob- 79 Bronco 460 44's T18 79 Bronco 400 40's C6 >> Bob, Your probably right on with the sending unit next. Generally the sending unit is nothing but a transducer. It should follow an X-Y curve of position vs resistance. Ya need to get it out though to move it through its position. Does you gauge work at all? Stay at full or empty? What are your symptoms? I had trouble with my fuel gauge (65 F100) when I got it but the sending unit finally freed itself and its been working well ever since. The truck sat for a long time without use. Good luck. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:33:07 -0500 The fuel gauge doesn't work, or it' stays at EMPTY. I'll have to go under it sometime and see if everything's connected/working. Thanks. -bob- 79 Bronco 460 44's T18 79 Bronco 400 40's C6 >> ------- What are your symptoms? ------------------------------ From: "Bill Deacon" <billyboy surfside.net>
Subject: Re: New 8 Lug Wheels Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:05:33 -0800 Happy Holidays Everyone----A friend of mine just gave me a set of New(200 miles) Stock Aluminum Ford 8 lug rims. They won't fit my 66 F-250. They would look really cool on my truck, but unfortunately The pattern (I think) is too wide. My question is, Can the holes be ellongated without sacraficing safety. The guy at the tire shop said they could be filled & drilled, but that would be cost restrictive and would ruin the finish. Would I be better off just selling these rims and putting the money towards a set that already fits properly. Up to what year is the 8 lug pattern the same as my 66? Thanks much in advance---Bill ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 3+1 OD Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:06:31 -0600 Dan(and everyone) Ohio Bill Post: >>. Input and output should turn 1 turn in 3rd, but output should only turn .8 revolutions (for 1 full turn of the input). << He got the relationship of input to putput shafts reversed here. In any OD tranny the output turns more than the input - not less, so the output 1 turn would be only .8 turns of input, or if you turn
the input one turn the output should turn 1.2 times.. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Shelley Batty" <shelba molalla.net>
Subject: Re: New 8 Lug Wheels Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:11:41 -0800 I just put a set of stock steel rims from an 85 on my 66 F250. I would guess anything prior to the Superduty series should fit. I believe the Superduty uses a "hubcentric" design, in which the wheel centers itself on the hub, rather than depending on the taper of the lug nuts to center it. I could be wrong on that, but I know wheels from an 85 will fit the 66. HTH Thom Batty 66 F250 Utility -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Deacon
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 3:06 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: New 8 Lug Wheels Happy Holidays Everyone----A friend of mine just gave me a set of New(200 miles) Stock Aluminum Ford 8 lug rims. They won't fit my 66 F-250. They would look really cool on my truck, but unfortunately The pattern (I think) is too wide. My question is, Can the holes be ellongated without sacraficing safety. The guy at the tire shop said they could be filled & drilled, but that would be cost restrictive and would ruin the finish. Would I be better off just selling these rims and putting the money towards a set that already fits properly. Up to what year is the 8 lug pattern the same as my 66? Thanks much in advance---Bill ------------------------------ From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:06:47 -0600 I just fixed the guage problem on my '78 F150 Supercab. The wire on the sending unit of the forward tank was hooked up, but the wire had been pulled, causing the female plug to expand and not have a good connection. A simple squeeze with a pair of pliers fixed it right up. Jason Kendrick > The fuel gauge doesn't work, or it' stays at EMPTY. I'll have to go under > it sometime and see if everything's connected/working. Thanks. > -bob- ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 3+1 OD Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:16:31 -0800 Heh...heh...putput shafts...sorry I just found that humorous... /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 3:06 PM Subject: [61-79-list] 3+1 OD > > He got the relationship of input to putput shafts reversed here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:10:32 -0800 From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: off topic: cougar don, as president of Dixie Classic Cougars, please feel free to join classiccougars egroups.com we have a lot of fun. also the cougar nationals are
being held in june. Ryan Sturz wrote: > Don, > > I seriously envy you, not a joke. I used to have a beautiful '68, drunk > driver crashed into it exactly one year ago, didn't have insurance and I never > saw a cent. As to information on the web, check out this site: > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=cougars&list > > Also, go to egroups.com and sign up for the Classic Cougars mailing list. > Lots of good people on that one! They will answer about every question you > could have. When you're on the list, send your vin and doorplate info the > Phil Parcells, he collects the info for a nationwide registry (the original > data got destroyed in a fire at one of the Ford plants years ago). > > Congrats on you find and have fun! > > Ryan (wanting a Cougar again, badly) > '77 F250 in SoCal > > > > > i heard my cougar is worthing something just as is... xr7.. hmm time to do > a > > search online to see what's up about them > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
> > To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:17 PM > > Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey > > > > > > > > > > man did you SCORE a deal big time !!! not many big block Cougars > > around. > > > better fix it up & hold on to it for awhile. A freind of mine has a 67 > Dan > > > Gurney Special Cougar that has less than 100,000 miles on it. it is a > > > 289-automatic. Vintage burgundy with black top & red leather interior. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> > > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> > > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:17 PM > > > Subject: [61-79-list] hey > > > > > > > > > > > > > >hey remember that couger that i said i could buy. > > > >well it's a 67 xr7 it has the orignal 390 and i bought it for > > FREE!!!!! > > > > > > > >woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a > > lot > > > >of work... > > > > > > > >-Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 -- -------------- Andrew Rolfsen -------------- 1962 Ford F100 Flare Side Resto-mod 351c 1967 Plymouth Fury III Forsale 318 1968 Mercury Cougar hers 302 1978 Ford econoline 150 mine 351w ------------------------------ From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:13:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) At 12:44 PM 16:12:2000 -0700, Daniel Beiers wrote: > >Wow, you guys are awesome. I have a few new questions based on this new >info. Yes... yes we are... >okay, now I know you guys are going to think I am dumb but what is a >toploader? It's one of Fords best ideas, all the parts go in through the top of the case, >Or rather what trannies does that term cover. Any passenger car 3 or 4 speed was a top loader in the Fords. > I understand that >these trannies are assembled from the top rather than the side and I the >elimination of the side cover makes it stronger etc, etc. This would be correct, but *IF* you have more HP than the tranny can handle, you'll break second gear a couple of times beford you get wise, and don't shift at 6K rpm...not that I'd know this from experience.... >But I don't know >which trannies are like that or not. Is a T-18 a toploader what about an >NP435...I haven't seen enough of these trannies to know by looking. I know the T-18 is a top loader, but thats as far as my aquired knowledge goes on truck 4 speeds, but I have seen 3+1's in pick-ups and vans... >Also, it seems to me that these later model year cars and trucks were not >using the FE motors. Can a 3+1 that came out from behind a 302 bolt up to >my 390? Or one that came from behind a 300 in a van? I swapped a 3+1 RUG straight across for a 3 speed toploader from a '68 Mustang in my late '57 F100 (it was stolen and wrecked for you newbies (less than 3 years on the list)), and it was a direct swap. >Seems unreasonable >that these engines have the same input shaft length, diameter, and spline >count. Obviously bolt patterns differ on the block side of the bellhousing >but what about the tranny side. As far as I know, the bell housing patterns haven't changed since '63 or '64... > Could I keep my existing bellhousing and >just throw one of these things in there (other than the drive shaft >modification) You may not have to change the drive shaft, but you'll be going from a T-18 to a 3+1, so I can't say for sure.... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:13:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: 3+1 OD At 04:16 PM 16:12:2000 -0800, Bill Beyer wrote: >Heh...heh...putput shafts...sorry I just found that humorous... Sounds like a Harley modification... >/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ So what was really rolled up in the old carpet?? Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: "BJ Frederick" <akimp alaska.net>
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Dana 60 Rear? Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:32:12 -0900 Don: I have the full set of service manuals and the wiring book for the 77 Ford trucks...Sorry I cant be of more help... BJ 77F150 4x4 400 C/6 Flairside "Bubba Grape" ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:15:29 -0800 Replies within: > Is a T-18 a toploader what about an > NP435... Both are toploaders > Can a 3+1 that came out from behind a 302 bolt up to my 390? You should be able to swap bellhousings to make it work. > Seems unreasonable that these engines have the same input shaft length, diameter, and spline > count. I have heard that the input shaft length between a FE trans and the other engine families are different, but I can't tell what the difference is. I have a 435 from a 390 behind the 302 in my Bronco and its worked good for many miles so far. The clutch splines are the same. > I have a 67 F-100 but it has a swapped in 390. I think, based on the VIN > and some research, that it has the stock 4 spd (granny low) in it. What > tranny would this be. I was told it was an NP435 but I can't tell with the > cross member and grease if it is, could it be a t-18? It should be a 435 by application. The 435 has an aluminum shift tower where the T18 is cast iron. If you can scrape some of the grime away, you should be able to find a "NP" cast into the housing. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: New 8 Lug Wheels Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:24:50 -0800 > Would I be better off just selling these rims and putting the money towards a set that already > fits properly. Yes, see if you can find a tire shop that will give you some trade in value for them and pick out new wheels or trade for the right ones. > Up to what year is the 8 lug pattern the same as my 66? 97 and older F250 HD's and 350's Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke "As fast as necessary, as slow as possible" ------------------------------ From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Brakes...... Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:24:27 -0800 Who would have thought that changing the brake lines could be so involved? Of course first we have to have the correct flex lines and after two trips to town I have some that will work. Of course the pre-bent lines I made up require that you pull the engine to get them in place so tomorrow I will be putting the engine back in.......just kidding.......tomorrow I will be throwing some lines at it and letting them fall where they will......to H**&&^%^ with elegance! :-( Then I still have to bleed the MC and the rest of the system but my son has promised to come over and help with that chore. I'm really beginning to wonder what kind of disease I have that causes me to actually look forward to such abuse.......and then get so sick of it before the job it finished.......must be getting old :-( Maybe if I do this enough I will remember to put the nut on before doing the double flare.........It's amazing how quickly you run out of line when you forget.....and then forget again and then........ Happily Semi-Retired, Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-) ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:26:59 EST Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) In a message dated 12/16/2000 8:01:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, derrar internetcds.com writes:
> I have heard that the input shaft length between a FE trans and the other > engine families are different, but I can't tell what the difference is. I > have a 435 from a 390 behind the 302 in my Bronco and its worked good for > many miles so far. The clutch splines are the same. > The T-18 I put behind my 460 came from behind a 360 in a 73 F-100. Went in linke it belonged there. One thing I do know is that the FE bellhousing is about 3/4 of an inch longer than the 351m/400 bellhousing. Only place it affected me was I had to redrill the holes for my carrier bearing to make up for the differnce. I imagine Im borderline at the minimum spline engagement for my driveshafts slip joint, but I havent had any problems yet, even when dumping the clutch at 3000. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:15:22 -0700 From: Dave Oneal <dave davesmonsterpit.com>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :) Does anybody know of some sort of reference that would tell me what trannys swap with what? I have a NP435 behind my 390, and I find that granny low is useless, the 390 has enough torque to take off in 3rd. I wish there was some way to get one of the six speeds out of the new powerstrokes behind it, those are awesome. At 11:26 PM 12/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/16/2000 8:01:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, >derrar internetcds.com writes:
> > > > I have heard that the input shaft length between a FE trans and the other > > engine families are different, but I can't tell what the difference is. I > > have a 435 from a 390 behind the 302 in my Bronco and its worked good for > > many miles so far. The clutch splines are the same. > > > >The T-18 I put behind my 460 came from behind a 360 in a 73 F-100. Went in >linke it belonged there. One thing I do know is that the FE bellhousing is >about 3/4 of an inch longer than the 351m/400 bellhousing. Only place it >affected me was I had to redrill the holes for my carrier bearing to make up >for the differnce. I imagine Im borderline at the minimum spline engagement >for my driveshafts slip joint, but I havent had any problems yet, even when >dumping the clutch at 3000. > >Darrell & Tweety Dave http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.davesmonsterpit.com ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:33:22 EST Subject: Re: 79 Bronco instrument panel General troubleshooting should be rather easy. Generally they work by flowing current through the gauge, heating a bimetallic spring which moves the needle. The sensor's resistance determines the amount of current flowing, and thus the reading. The more current. the higher the reading. A decent schematic is invaluable here. If the oil, fuel and temp gauges are acting up, look for a ground problem or the IVR (instrument voltage regulator) in the instrument cluster. The Alternator (charging) gauge worked differently and is in a different circuit. If just one of the oil, fuel and temp gauges are acting up, I think it's simpler to tshoot. as it confined to just that branch of the circuit. (gauge, wire and sensor). You can take the sensor input (the wire that gores to the gauge from the sensor) and ground it out. The gauge should go to a max value which indicates it's working up to that point. My general experience is that the sensors go bad, so I'd start there. I havent seen the meter itself go bad in either my '73 F100 of my '79 Bronco. George M in Fl. In a message dated 12/16/00 3:23:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, xavetarx home.com writes:
> I've been trying to get the fuel and thermostat gauges working. (Mainly > just the fuel, because I already have an aftermarket thermostat) I've > replaced the fuel gauge with one from a yard, but that probably wasn't > necessary because both shoot to FULL when a current is passed through them. > The ALT and BRAKE lights work, along with the high beam and illumination > (back) lights... so I'm guessing it's not the fuse. When I looked in my > book, there didn't seem to be a fuse for the Fuel gauge. The next thing I > suppose I should check is the sending unit, but I'm not really good with > ohmages, amperage, where to place the connectors, etc.. Is there anything I > might be overlooking here? > ------------------------------ From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:18:23 EST Subject: ENVY'S BOO BOO! =*( Hey guys! Well, Envy had her first owwie today on account of her reckless mom! I kinda sorta hit the feed store where I work when I was turning in I thought I had enough room but I was wrong, chipped the paint a lil on the store but luckily my boss has a sense of humor and she called me a total blonde! Anyways, I REALLY mashed the grille shell <chrome part> on the passenger side as well as the plastic grille insert behind my light. I checked and JC Whitless and the grille molding <mounts above and/or below the grille> and the grille shell goes around the headlight openings> are $159.00 each. I hope I explained it clear. So, my ? is: does anyone happen to have one of these laying around that they'd be willing to sell to me for less then JC Whitless?? I have not yet made a trip to "Pick a Part" so I thought I'd check here first. Thanks y'all! I need to go put a big band aide on Envy now.....bye! Oh on a side note, I let my friend drive Envy for the first time last night *almost died* but anyhoo, SHE DROVE ALL THE WAY HOME <10 MILES!> WITH THE E-BRAKE ON! Yes, I have done this once before a long time ago but I am just curious, I know this definitely IS NOT a good thing for the brakes but I wanna know if I should have my dad check 'em just to be safe or is it really not that big of deal.......brakes worked fine on me today. I am just afraid one day there will be no brakes or somethin!?!? *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls~*~* ------------------------------ From: "Gary L. Perry" <glperry fwi.com>
Subject: HVLP sprayers Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:55:46 -0500 Don't these sprayers use there own Vacumn like motor and blow lots of air real fast? Most I've read about don't use compressed air at all. Just lots of it. Smaller compressors not good for air tool use like sanders, should be OK for sprayers though. "G" ------------------------------ From: "Gary L. Perry" <glperry fwi.com>
Subject: Divorced trans cases? Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:03:25 -0500 I have an old COE that I wish to modernize. I am thinking of using 1-ton dually rear and maybe even 4x4 front axle. Can one of these divorced transfer cases be made to mount somewhere on any frame? It's a 2-ton truck, won't be used heavy after mods, just flatbed. Would I have to use 1-ton case? or what model? I know nothing of them, will study books when I get some suggestions. Would this mean in front I would need a Dana 60? They seem expensive from what I've been reading on the list. I would need for dually type wheels tho, so maybe that's all there is. Does it matter on it if I use Ford or Chevy? I'ld have to make saddles fit either way. Are they much different? Also, would be using stock six and 4-spd with this set-up. What's your thoughts? "G" ------------------------------ From: "Shelley Batty" <shelba molalla.net>
Subject: Re: Divorced trans cases? Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:06:33 -0800 Sounds like a cool project. Do you have any pics posted on the web? If you are not planning to beat the stuffings out of the truck I would think an NP 205 divorced case should work for you. Dana 60 front, yes. As far as Ford or chevy parts, just make sure the front output on the t-case and the diff on the axle are on the same side! Best bet, in my opinion, would be to find a whole 1 ton or heavier donor truck, so you can get steering components, shifters, linkages and other assorted parts to make this work. Good luck, and keep us posted/ Thom Batty 66 F250 Utility -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gary L. Perry
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 11:03 PM To: 61-79 Ford truck List Subject: [61-79-list] Divorced trans cases? I have an old COE that I wish to modernize. I am thinking of using 1-ton dually rear and maybe even 4x4 front axle. Can one of these divorced transfer cases be made to mount somewhere on any frame? It's a 2-ton truck, won't be used heavy after mods, just flatbed. Would I have to use 1-ton case? or what model? I know nothing of them, will study books when I get some suggestions. Would this mean in front I would need a Dana 60? They seem expensive from what I've been reading on the list. I would need for dually type wheels tho, so maybe that's all there is. Does it matter on it if I use Ford or Chevy? I'ld have to make saddles fit either way. Are they much different? Also, would be using stock six and 4-spd with this set-up. What's your thoughts? "G" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:13:09 -0500 From: William King <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny Dan, First, Tom is right (of course). I incorrectly stated how many times the output shaft will turn in 4th (if you have overdrive). My bad. >Wait a sec. If it's an overdrive you've got that backwards. In OD the >output shaft should turn more than the input shaft so at .8 turns of the >input you should have 1 full turn of the output. > >Tom H. Second, Toploader can refer to a number of tranmissions, and people use the term to describe different transmissions. In in its purest form, it refers to the bullet-proof, 1:1 4th gear Toploaders. These are pricey, but it's what you'll find at David Kee, and Dan Williams: (I've dealt w/ him in the past and he's very helpful (and talkative). A Toploader 'god.'). [http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.toploadertransmissions.com/] Beyond the bulletproof 4 speeds, I guess you could call any tranny w/ a top cover a 'toploader', and I guess some people do. Note that I call such variants toploaders (with a lower-case 't'). My truck had a 3 speed top cover, and I guess you could call that a toploader. Heck, my new TKO has a topcover...but...I just can't call that a toploader. I guess I use the term to describe Ford transmissions, and it's usually a reverential term for those glorious 4 speeds (I have to face Dearborn whenever I utter the word Toploader). Do a search for 'toploader' on the internet. Someone has blue-prints of them (I lost my bookmark). I do not believe the T18 or NP435 are toploaders. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And, even if they have topcovers, it's better to call them T18s or NP435s. I just think it more accurately describes them. In terms of interchangability, I don't see why a 3+1 toploader wouldn't slide right in, in place of your NP435. I've never handled an NP435 so take what I'm about to say w/ caution, but, generally transmission dimensions (e.g., length of input shaft, tranny-to-bellhousing bolt holes) are interchangable. I've never seen a different FE bellhousing for different transmissions either. As an example, the 3 speed I yankd from my truck, and the 4 speed Toploader [face Dearborn now] were the same dimensions from the tail forward (ie input shaft size, TO bearing, spline count, length of input shaft, and bellhousing-to-tranny bolt holes). The only difference was the extension housing length (thus I needed a shortened driveshaft). This makes me think that a 3+1 will slide right in (and at worst will require a different clutch disk and throw-out bearing). This is an empirical question, of course, and you can measure your NP435 and a 3+1. My bet is that the input shaft length is the same, and the bolt holes will line up, and this should be a pretty painless swap. I suggest you measure your NP435, and find a 3+1 to measure. Ohio Bill 1968 Torino GT 429 4v 5 speed 1968 F100 360 2v 4 speed ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 3+1 OD Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:28:49 -0800 I could tell you but... /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: <canzus seanet.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 3+1 OD > > So what was really rolled up in the old carpet?? > ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: HVLP sprayers Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:32:22 -0800 Actually the professional HVLP systems use a turbine to supply the air. /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary L. Perry" <glperry fwi.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: [61-79-list] HVLP sprayers > Don't these sprayers use there own Vacumn like motor and blow lots of air real fast? Most I've read about don't use compressed air at all. Just lots of it. Smaller compressors not good for air tool use like sanders, should be OK for sprayers though. ------------------------------ From: "Dennis Smith" <hdennissmith earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine missing - 1978 400 (Update #3) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:24:40 -0500 Dear Gary, > I'm a little behind on this one but..... Don't feel bad, I'm not sure what happened either. Although I am fairly handy with a wrench, I'm certainly not a mechanic, so I can only tell you what I understood the mechanic to say. Much time was spent looking for vacuum leaks but turned up nothing other than a corroded place between the intake manifold and the carburetor. Replacing these two items should have cured the problem but didn't. Then I was told that it must be burned exhaust valves even though the compression readings were OK. The leak down test, as I understood him, was leaking into the valve cover area and indicated worn valve guides. The next day he said that I had misunderstood and that the leak was down past the rings and back into the upper area. (I don't know how this circulation would work.) He said that a more knowledgeable mechanic told him that it was an acceptable amount of leakage and that there would be some leakage on any engine. He went back to looking for a vacuum leak and discovered that the brake booster had rusted completely through around the shaft on the back side. Replaced the booster and now the vacuum test seems to read correctly. I have driven it a few miles and there has been a great improvement but he still hasn't eliminated the spark rattle on acceleration and I still don't think it is running as smoothly as it should but this litle adventure has cost over $1,200. so far so I think I'll leave it as-is for awhile. Thanks for responding, Dennis Smith 1978 F150 SuperCab -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
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Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 1:12 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Engine missing - 1978 400 (Update #3) I'm a little behind on this one but.......gang.......if it's leaking into the valve covers, it's after the fact.......The leak down test tests the rings and valves.......the seals and guides are outside of this loop gang.....they are outside the cylinders so who cares where the air goes after it leaks past the valves? Leaking past the valves is already more of a problem than worn guides but......worn guides can cause leaking past the valves due to improper seating......but leaking out of the cylinders is the real problem here, eh? Happily Semi-Retired, Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-) > > is leaking back into the valve cover area. He says that this > > indicates > > that it is leaking by the valve guides (Rodney mentioned that ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Engine missing - 1978 400 (Update #3) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:41:01 -0800 Air leaking down past the rings would go into the crankcase and then up through the oil return holes into the valve cover area, basically the same circulation pattern as the PCV system. It would also go out through the dipstick tube. /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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