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61-79-list Digest Fri, 15 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 368

In This Issue:
Painting
Re: Painting
Re: Overdrive tranny
Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help
Speedometer Cable for sale!
Test
test...
Re: Overdrive tranny
Re: Overdrive tranny
off topic: Ken Payne
Re: Engine missing - 1978  400  (Update #3)
Thanks Ken!
Re: Overdrive tranny
Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :)

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From: "Don Jones" <twistedhand hotmail.com>
Subject: Painting
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:31:07


>>From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
>>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:18:49 EST
>>Subject
I asked this question on the pre61 side, but got no answer. My wife just
bought me a 5 HP - 13 gal air compressor for my b'day. Has anyone made a
HVLP
paint gun that will run off of this small of a compressor?

You want to look at the number of CFM that your compressor will supply, and
look for a gun that requires less.  A 5 hp compressor should be enough for
almost any sprayer though.  Sometimes you can get a smaller spray nozzle for
your gun that will use less air, and if your new to painting, it slows
things down a bit so you are a little less likely to make big runny
mistakes.
I have painted several vehicles with a 1 hp, 6 gallon compressor and
craftsman convertable sprayer with a general purpose tip, rather than an
automotive tip.
Just make sure you have a good respirator and proper personal protection if
you are playing with automotive paints  this stuff can kill you!!


Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4







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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Painting
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:50:02 -0800

I'm not a professional painter but my understanding of HVLP systems is that
CFM is the key. Most professional HVLP systems use a turbine to provide the
air, not a compressor because of the high CFM demand.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Jones" <twistedhand hotmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 6:31 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Painting


>
> >>From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
> >>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:18:49 EST
> >>Subject
> I asked this question on the pre61 side, but got no answer. My wife just
> bought me a 5 HP - 13 gal air compressor for my b'day. Has anyone made a
> HVLP
> paint gun that will run off of this small of a compressor?
>
> You want to look at the number of CFM that your compressor will supply,
and
> look for a gun that requires less.  A 5 hp compressor should be enough for
> almost any sprayer though.  Sometimes you can get a smaller spray nozzle
for
> your gun that will use less air, and if your new to painting, it slows
> things down a bit so you are a little less likely to make big runny
> mistakes.
> I have painted several vehicles with a 1 hp, 6 gallon compressor and
> craftsman convertable sprayer with a general purpose tip, rather than an
> automotive tip.
> Just make sure you have a good respirator and proper personal protection
if
> you are playing with automotive paints  this stuff can kill you!!




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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:26:10 -0500
From: William King <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny


Dan,
Sounds like your best bet is to find a 3+1 Toploader.  The 'real'
Toploaders are pricey (say between $250-500).  I just haven't seen much of
a demand for the 3+1's. I don't know what the 3+1's came in, but I'll guess
it may have been in Ford vans.  When I worked in a wrecking yard, we had
some Chrysler 3+1s,
and they were out of vans. It sure sounds logical anyway.
Perhaps a phone call to David Kee would help you know what the 3+1's were in.
Or you could start calling local wrecking yards and see what happens.  There
are also some all-Ford wrecking yards that may prove fruitful.

I assume the 3+1's are roughly the same dimensions as the regular Toploaders.
If they are, the swap is pretty easy (you have 2wd, right?).  I swapped the
3 speed for a Toploader.  Only hard-part was having the driveshaft shortened.

You can check the gear ratios easily by putting the tranny into top (4th)
gear, and seeing how much the output shaft turns when you turn the input
once.  Input and output should turn 1 turn in 3rd, but output should only
turn .8 revolutions (for 1 full turn of the input).

The TR3550s and TKOs don't come 'new' in much.  Both may be in new
Mustangs, and I've heard the TKO referred to as the 'Mustang Cobra' tranny.
Mainly I've seen the new Mustang crowd using the TR3550s and TKOs as an
upgrade for their T-5s.
Superperformance (they build new, turn-key Shelby Cobras) uses the TKO in
their big-block cobras (but I doubt you'll find one in a junk yard soon):-)
I'm pretty cheap and I bought my TKO new.  Soooo....your best bet would be
to find a 3+1 in a wrecking yard.

Please let me know what you find out, and what you choose to do.
Ohio Bill
>
>Super helpful info.  Did any of these trannies come in anything??? like a
>Ford Pickup?  What should I look for  in a donor vehicle for any of those
>transmissions.  the Darkhorse option sounds good to me also but I am looking
>to spend just a little less money.  My NP out of the truck is going in my
>Jeep and I need to keep some money around for the tcase adapter.
>
>Thanks Again,
>Dan


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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:58:39 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help


Eric,
The best price I found for the dropped drag link is National Wheel and
Tire.  They charged me $119, with a lifetime replacement.  I have
warrantied it once all ready.   It is adjustable and a good piece.

Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/



>
>
> Anyway I'll ask all of you know that I've got your attention.  :-)  It

> turns out my F-350 needs some other major work for inspection.  The
> exhaust needs replaced, the gas tank cradle is shot (as in mostly not
> there anymore), and the steering still wanders a little.  It seems I
need
> to find another 3" dropped drag link for this thing.  So does anyone
know
> where I can come up with one of these?  I think I heard a while back
that
> Superlift makes one but it doesn't seem they list it anymore.  Who
sells
> Superlift mail-order and where am I likely to get the best price on
this
> thing.  Does anyone know what part number I might be looking at?  Any
and
> all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Any chance someone on the list has a spare they'd like to sell me...
>
> P.S. For those that missed it, the part I need can be seen here.




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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:38:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee <danlee_58 yahoo.com>
Subject: Speedometer Cable for sale!


Speedometer Cable for sale!

In cleaning out my garage, I came across a custom
speedometer cable for a C6(or C4, FMX, and others) to
a '53 F100 speedometer. I used it briefly until my
stock speedometer quit. At that point I went to a
custom dash plate and a VDO electronic speedometer. It
is worth about $38.00. Make an offer!

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:48:17 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann <herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Test



Test...
(Having a heck of a time with my ISP and their DNS records).


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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:45:28 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann <herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: test...


Test...

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:52:57 -0500





>
> Dan,
> Sounds like your best bet is to find a 3+1 Toploader.  I don't know what
the 3+1's came in, but I'll guess
> it may have been in Ford vans
=======================================================
they used them in the 79 f 100s and f 150s also i have 1 of them in mine now
they look just like a toploader and the shifter is the same as the 4spd
toploader to i know they used them in other yrs also and they used another
type of O.D tranny also that looks like the old style granny gear 4 spd
these were in the newer than 79s i know
they had 2 different top gears in them i think 1 was about a 30% reduction
and the other was about a 25% reduction the 2 i have are both different from
each other in the top hole ALLOT of the top loader parts i have been told
will interchange in them to
i have a extra one i would be willing to sell plus shipping if your
interested
gordon



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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:02:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny


At 02:26 PM 15:12:2000 -0500, William King wrote:
>
>Dan,
>Sounds like your best bet is to find a 3+1 Toploader.  The 'real'
>Toploaders are pricey (say between $250-500).  I just haven't seen much of
>a demand for the 3+1's. I don't know what the 3+1's came in, but I'll guess
>it may have been in Ford vans.  When I worked in a wrecking yard, we had
>some Chrysler 3+1s,
>and they were out of vans. It sure sounds logical anyway.
>Perhaps a phone call to David Kee would help you know what the 3+1's were in.
>Or you could start calling local wrecking yards and see what happens.  There
>are also some all-Ford wrecking yards that may prove fruitful.

There are two 3+1's out there, one is basically identicle to the Toploader
4speed, the other is a stouter unit that was used behind the 300ci in Vans
and pick-ups.  The former was used in passenger cars, like the Granada,
and Monarch, the linkage is on the outside, for the years '77 and '78 *ONLY*
if you get a later passenger car 3+1 ti will be an SROD...The truck trannies
are said to be fairly stout, but I don't have any experience with them...


Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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Date: 15 Dec 00 18:12:51 PST
From: Ryan Sturz <68classic usa.net>
Subject: off topic: Ken Payne


Hello Ken,

I've tried to reach you directly but my mail kept bouncing. I will be away
from my computer for X-mas and New Year and I don't want my email account to
"overflow", possibly causing a bunch of error-respones to the list. Is there a
way to switch to a read-on-the-web-mode or do you suggest I just unsubscribe
and re-subscribe when I get back?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Regards,

Ryan
'77 F250 in SoCal

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Engine missing - 1978  400  (Update #3)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:11:59 -0800


I'm a little behind on this one but.......gang.......if it's leaking into
the valve covers, it's after the fact.......The leak down test tests the
rings and valves.......the seals and guides are outside of this loop
gang.....they are outside the cylinders so who cares where the air goes
after it leaks past the valves?  Leaking past the valves is already more of
a problem than worn guides but......worn guides can cause leaking past the
valves due to improper seating......but leaking out of the cylinders is the
real problem here, eh?

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> > is leaking back into the valve cover area.  He says that this
> > indicates
> > that it is leaking by the valve guides (Rodney mentioned that



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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:00:51 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann <herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Thanks Ken!



Ken, I think you got me working again! Thanks for the help!!!

Dan





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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:27:32 -0800



> Dan,
> Sounds like your best bet is to find a 3+1 Toploader.

<snip>

> You can check the gear ratios easily by putting the tranny
> into top (4th)
> gear, and seeing how much the output shaft turns when you
> turn the input
> once.  Input and output should turn 1 turn in 3rd, but output
> should only
> turn .8 revolutions (for 1 full turn of the input).
>
<snip>

Wait a sec.  If it's an overdrive you've got that backwards.  In OD the
output shaft should turn more than the input shaft so at .8 turns of the
input you should have 1 full turn of the output.

Tom H.

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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny-a little long :)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:44:29 -0700


Wow, you guys are awesome.  I have a few new questions based on this new
info.

okay, now I know you guys are going to think I am dumb but what is a
toploader? Or rather what trannies does that term cover.  I understand that
these trannies are assembled from the top rather than the side and I the
elimination of the side cover makes it stronger etc, etc.  But I don't know
which trannies are like that or not.  Is a T-18 a toploader what about an
NP435...I haven't seen enough of these trannies to know by looking.

Also, it seems to me that these later model year cars and  trucks were not
using the FE motors.  Can a 3+1 that came   out from behind a 302 bolt up to
my 390? Or one that came from behind a 300 in a van?  Seems unreasonable
that these engines have the same input shaft length, diameter, and spline
count.  Obviously bolt patterns differ on the block side of the bellhousing
but what about the tranny side.  Could I keep my existing bellhousing and
just throw one of these things in there (other than the drive shaft
modification)

I have a 67 F-100 but it has a swapped in 390.  I think, based on the VIN
and some research, that it has the stock 4 spd (granny low) in it.  What
tranny would this be.  I was told it was an NP435 but I can't tell with the
cross member and grease if it is, could it be a t-18?

Thanks for all your help,
Dan
(getting excited about OD)

-----

There are two 3+1's out there, one is basically identicle to the Toploader
4speed, the other is a stouter unit that was used behind the 300ci in Vans
and pick-ups.  The former was used in passenger cars, like the Granada,
and Monarch, the linkage is on the outside, for the years '77 and '78 *ONLY*
if you get a later passenger car 3+1 ti will be an SROD...The truck trannies
are said to be fairly stout, but I don't have any experience with them...


Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....




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