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61-79-list Digest Thu, 14 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 367

In This Issue:
Re: Knock Knock update #1
Re: 4spd 3rd gear shift grinding
Re: Overdrive Tranny
hey
Re: Overdrive Tranny
240/300 vs 302 motor mounts
Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help
Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help
ADMIN: Picture Gallery and other additions
Re: hey
Ken, how far behind are you with the picture gallery?
Re: hey
Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help
Re: Engine missing - 1978  400  (Final Update - for now)
: Painting ??'s
My recent woes,
Re: C-6 Guru needed.
Re: Ken, how far behind are you with the picture
Re: hey
Re: 240/300 vs 302 motor mounts
HVLP Guns

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:35:46 EST
Subject: Re: Knock Knock update #1


In a message dated 12/14/00 7:19:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu writes:

<< Then, there's always the Harley fix--just put on lound exhaust, and
all the clatters, crunches, and grinds magically go away :). >>

I Just turn up the stereo.  I got 6 Speakers in the truck, including 10's
behind the seat.  Drownd out all the noise.  Only bad part to this is you
dont notice the new noises that pop up.  Ended up costing me 1200 to rebuild
my diff cuz I didnt hear the howl till I blew my amplifier.....

Darrell & Tweety

------------------------------

From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: 4spd 3rd gear shift grinding
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:13:25 -0600


You can bend the shifting linkage by shaking the stick back and forth.  My
daddy told me that one.  I had to replace the linkage in my mustang for
shaking it back in forth to much.  It bends it and it makes it hard to down
shift or even put it into 2nd.

-Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:35 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 4spd 3rd gear shift grinding


>
> If it is syncros then you can alleviate the grind by short shifting at
> exactly the correct speed for the gears to be matched.  This means like a
> grandpa, not a hot rod but it gets you down the road :-)  You can also
> double clutch if you want to hot rod it but that takes a lot of practice
to
> get right and you will grind a few pounds before you get it perfected.
>
> Don't know why pushing to one side or the other makes any difference.
That
> has little to do with the way the syncros work??
>
> Happily Semi-Retired,
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
>
> > When I try to shift into third gear, I have to push (moderately hard) to
> the
> > far right of the gate, and then up, for it to go in.  Otherwise, it
> grinds.
>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:55:28 -0500
From: William King <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Overdrive Tranny


Dan,
There are three reasonable overdrive manual tranmissions you could use
behind your 390.
1st. 3+1 (sometimes called Mexican) Toploader.  Third gear is 1:1, and 4th
.8:1 (I think). I have heard these are not bullet-proof like the legendary
Toploaders, but should hold up under reasonable driving.
This swap should go reasonably easy (ie tranny should bolt up to your bell
housing, spline count/shaft size should be a standard size, etc.).

There's a wealth of Toploader (generally for the 4th gear, 1:1 type) at:
David Kee (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/idchart.htm)

2nd. Richmond Gear 6 speed.  Fifth is 1:1, 6th is .76:1.  Supposedly
comes in standard tranny sizes (which I assume to mean its the same/similar
dimensions as a Toploader).  Rated to 450 ft/lbs.  Expensive (Summit Racing
lists them for around $3,000.  Richmond Gear has a webpage with the full
dimensions etc.  (sorry, don't have their address handy).

3rd.  Tremec TR3550 or TKO 5 speed.  Both are 4th gear 1:1, 5th .76
(although a road race version w/ around .8 5th is available too).  The
TR3550 uses a standard input shaft (10 spline count) and is rated to around
350 ft/lbs (if you check the web you'll see all kinds of torque ratings).
The TKO is the heavier-duty version of the TKO (I have seen these rated up
to 495 ft/lbs), but uses a GM 26 spline input shaft.  Both these
transmissions require a spacer (made by McLeod) between tranny and
bellhousing.  Everything else would suggest an easy swap.  Oh, and both use
an internal, rail shifter.

You can purchase an entire TR3550/TKO swap kit (inc. tranny, drive shaft
yoke, and spacer) from Dark Horse performance
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.darkhorseperformace.com/) for between $1200 to $1700.  I have
also seen these at JSA (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jimswarrauto.com/early.html). I bought
my TKO from Darkhorse.
If you have questions I suggest that you call them (they're a little
'short' when emailing answers, but very helpful over the phone).

I am currently swapping the Toploader in my Torino for a TKO.  Unfortunately,
student papers and cold weather has stalled this project (but the TKO looks
nice sitting on the laundry-room floor).  I don't expect any problems, and
I'm looking forward to comfortable cruising rpms at highway speeds.

If you want further information, let me know.

Ohio Bill
1968 F100 360 2v 4 speed
1968 Torino GT 429 4v 5 speed

>Is there an overdrive transmission, auto or manual that I can use behind my
>390 in my 67 pu.  I have looked into autos but have found nothing in the way
>of an easy swap or an adapter.  My 4 spd just isn't cutting it on the
>highway :)
>
>Thanks in advance for your help and comments.
>
>Dan


------------------------------

From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: hey
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:05:48 -0600


hey remember that couger that i said i could buy.
well it's a 67 xr7  it has the orignal 390   and i bought it for FREE!!!!!

woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot
of work...

-Don


------------------------------

From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: Overdrive Tranny
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:59 -0700


Super helpful info.  Did any of these trannies come in anything??? like a
Ford Pickup?  What should I look for  in a donor vehicle for any of those
transmissions.  the Darkhorse option sounds good to me also but I am looking
to spend just a little less money.  My NP out of the truck is going in my
Jeep and I need to keep some money around for the tcase adapter.

Thanks Again,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of William King
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:55 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Overdrive Tranny



Dan,
There are three reasonable overdrive manual tranmissions you could use
behind your 390.
1st. 3+1 (sometimes called Mexican) Toploader.  Third gear is 1:1, and 4th
.8:1 (I think). I have heard these are not bullet-proof like the legendary
Toploaders, but should hold up under reasonable driving.
This swap should go reasonably easy (ie tranny should bolt up to your bell
housing, spline count/shaft size should be a standard size, etc.).

There's a wealth of Toploader (generally for the 4th gear, 1:1 type) at:
David Kee (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/idchart.htm)

2nd. Richmond Gear 6 speed.  Fifth is 1:1, 6th is .76:1.  Supposedly
comes in standard tranny sizes (which I assume to mean its the same/similar
dimensions as a Toploader).  Rated to 450 ft/lbs.  Expensive (Summit Racing
lists them for around $3,000.  Richmond Gear has a webpage with the full
dimensions etc.  (sorry, don't have their address handy).

3rd.  Tremec TR3550 or TKO 5 speed.  Both are 4th gear 1:1, 5th .76
(although a road race version w/ around .8 5th is available too).  The
TR3550 uses a standard input shaft (10 spline count) and is rated to around
350 ft/lbs (if you check the web you'll see all kinds of torque ratings).
The TKO is the heavier-duty version of the TKO (I have seen these rated up
to 495 ft/lbs), but uses a GM 26 spline input shaft.  Both these
transmissions require a spacer (made by McLeod) between tranny and
bellhousing.  Everything else would suggest an easy swap.  Oh, and both use
an internal, rail shifter.

You can purchase an entire TR3550/TKO swap kit (inc. tranny, drive shaft
yoke, and spacer) from Dark Horse performance
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.darkhorseperformace.com/) for between $1200 to $1700.  I have
also seen these at JSA (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jimswarrauto.com/early.html). I bought
my TKO from Darkhorse.
If you have questions I suggest that you call them (they're a little
'short' when emailing answers, but very helpful over the phone).

I am currently swapping the Toploader in my Torino for a TKO.
Unfortunately,
student papers and cold weather has stalled this project (but the TKO looks
nice sitting on the laundry-room floor).  I don't expect any problems, and
I'm looking forward to comfortable cruising rpms at highway speeds.

If you want further information, let me know.

Ohio Bill
1968 F100 360 2v 4 speed
1968 Torino GT 429 4v 5 speed

>Is there an overdrive transmission, auto or manual that I can use behind my
>390 in my 67 pu.  I have looked into autos but have found nothing in the
way
>of an easy swap or an adapter.  My 4 spd just isn't cutting it on the
>highway :)
>
>Thanks in advance for your help and comments.
>
>Dan




------------------------------

From: "Gagnon, Raymond J" <GagnonRJ navair.navy.mil>
Subject: 240/300 vs 302 motor mounts
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:12:32 -0500


From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: motor mounts
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:02:10 -0600

This is for the '67-72 trucks, are the motor mounts the same between the
240/300 and 302's? Not sure when the 302 came out in the pickup, so this
could be a dumb question. Let me know.

Eric,
They aren't the same.  A 302 with engine mounts will set on the 240/300
frame mounts, but the engine will be about 3" forward of where it should be.
I think the 302 began in 1970 for trucks, they were hard to find back in '89
when I did this same swap to my '69 F100, but I think they are available
aftermarket now.

BTW, if you're just using the truck as a street truck the 302 is fine, if
you intend to haul or tow I'd go bigger, 351W at least.  I pulled my rebuilt
302 out after 18 months because it had no torque, couldn't do anything with
that truck.  I dropped in a used 351W, MUCH better.
Now I drive 390, muchmuch better.  I'm thinking about a 460, muchmuchmuch
better??

Ray G

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:18:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help


Yo Eric,

Remember those steering parts we were discussing way back when for my '79
F-350?  It appears that I now need a dropped drag link for it.  I don't
remember where that picture was you sent me.  Did your front D60 have a
dropped drag link attached to the pitman arm or was it straight?  If its
dropped like in this pic....  I could really use it!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/Ford/steering01.jpg

Any chance that's what you've got?

Later,

Eric
--- Gary Tobolski <garyt mediaone.net> wrote:
> It looks like the second arm is connected to the dropped pitman arm with
> some sort of ball-joint that I assume is also bad.  What am I looking at
> here in terms ot fixing the steering on this beast?  Does anyone know
> where I can find a new steering box for this truck?
>
>
> This description sounds just like one I've got sitting in my yard.  If
> you
> are interested, let me know.
> Eric Tobolski
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:10:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help


Sorry guys.  This was supposed to be private email.  See what you get when
you rush....   $%# $ fingers.  Why don't they listen.

Anyway I'll ask all of you know that I've got your attention.  :-)  It
turns out my F-350 needs some other major work for inspection.  The
exhaust needs replaced, the gas tank cradle is shot (as in mostly not
there anymore), and the steering still wanders a little.  It seems I need
to find another 3" dropped drag link for this thing.  So does anyone know
where I can come up with one of these?  I think I heard a while back that
Superlift makes one but it doesn't seem they list it anymore.  Who sells
Superlift mail-order and where am I likely to get the best price on this
thing.  Does anyone know what part number I might be looking at?  Any and
all help would be greatly appreciated.

Any chance someone on the list has a spare they'd like to sell me...

P.S. For those that missed it, the part I need can be seen here.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/Ford/steering01.jpg

Later,

Eric Finn
(who's trucks are getting too expensive for something made > 20 years ago)

'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project stalled)
'79 F-350 4x4 "Fred"




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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:22:29 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Picture Gallery and other additions


The following new items have been added to the FTE web site:

FTE site reaches a new record of 5.2 gigabytes transferred per day.

Picture Gallery additions:
2001 F-150 SuperCrew XLT 4x4
2001 F-150 SuperCrew
2000 F-350 SuperDuty XLT Lariat Crewcab 4x4
1994 F-250 4x4
1986 F-250 XL 4x4
1964 F-100
1960 F-250
1958 F-100
1945 Ford 1/2 ton (war era)

Link added:
Snowplow News - Internet newsletter of the snow removal equipment industry.

All these items are linked off the main page of the site:
www.ford-trucks.com

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: hey
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:23:36 -0600

Cool, a 390 in a Cougar would be fun!

Garrett www.1966ford.com



 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Don Thurlow
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:05 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] hey



 hey remember that couger that i said i could buy.
 well it's a 67 xr7  it has the orignal 390   and i bought it for FREE!!!!!

 woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot
 of work...

 -Don




------------------------------

From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Ken, how far behind are you with the picture gallery?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:07 -0600

Just wondering how long it takes to get a picture put on the site.

Keep up the good work!



Garrett www.1966ford.com


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: hey
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:17:48 -0500


man did you SCORE   a deal big time !!!   not many big block Cougars around.
better fix it up & hold on to it for awhile. A freind of mine has a 67 Dan
Gurney Special  Cougar that has less than 100,000 miles on it. it is a
289-automatic. Vintage burgundy with black  top  & red leather interior.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:17 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] hey


>
>hey remember that couger that i said i could buy.
>well it's a 67 xr7  it has the orignal 390   and i bought it for FREE!!!!!
>
>woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot
>of work...
>
>-Don
>
>


------------------------------

From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:22:03 -0500


I would think that anyone who sells lift kits or suspension kits could sell
you one.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:21 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: '79 F-350 4x4 steering help


>
>Sorry guys.  This was supposed to be private email.  See what you get when
>you rush....   $%# $ fingers.  Why don't they listen.
>
>Anyway I'll ask all of you know that I've got your attention.  :-)  It
>turns out my F-350 needs some other major work for inspection.  The
>exhaust needs replaced, the gas tank cradle is shot (as in mostly not
>there anymore), and the steering still wanders a little.  It seems I need
>to find another 3" dropped drag link for this thing.  So does anyone know
>where I can come up with one of these?  I think I heard a while back that
>Superlift makes one but it doesn't seem they list it anymore.  Who sells
>Superlift mail-order and where am I likely to get the best price on this
>thing.  Does anyone know what part number I might be looking at?  Any and
>all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Any chance someone on the list has a spare they'd like to sell me...
>
>P.S. For those that missed it, the part I need can be seen here.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/Ford/steering01.jpg
>
>Later,
>
>Eric Finn
>(who's trucks are getting too expensive for something made > 20 years ago)
>
>'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project stalled)
>'79 F-350 4x4 "Fred"
>
>
>
>
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>


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From: "Dennis Smith" <hdennissmith earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine missing - 1978  400  (Final Update - for now)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:49:04 -0500


Dear List,

Well Guys and Girls,  I thank all of you who have been reading my post and
a very big thanks to those of you who offered suggestions.

Steve had mentioned a vacuum leak in the power brake booster and that does
seem to
have been the source of the problem.  The booster was rusted out all around
the
shaft on the back side.  After replacing it, the vacuum test is good and it
can be tuned.

The mechanic said that he didn't pick it up when he pulled each of the
vacuum hoses
because he had already tuned the engine to run as well as possible with the
leak
so when he pulled that hose, it made little difference.  When the leak down
test
showed that the valves weren't burned then he went over everything again and
again
looking for a vacuum leak until he found it.  Working late last night when
everything
was real quiet probably helped.

At least he found it before he pulled the heads and the engine  seems to be
running
pretty good at the moment.  Certainly has a lot more pep with the new 4V and
manifold.

The threads related to leaking P/S and sticking brake pedals also apply to
me but after
reading the postings, I think I may try to fix those myself.

Thanks again to all.  I am learning a lot from the list.

Sincerely,

Dennis Smith


------------------------------

From: "Pat" <patsplace aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: : Painting ??'s
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:15:24 -0800

From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:18:49 EST
Subject
I asked this question on the pre61 side, but got no answer. My wife just
bought me a 5 HP - 13 gal air compressor for my b'day. Has anyone made a
HVLP
paint gun that will run off of this small of a compressor?

    If the gun is a bleeder type, you'll probably have problems keeping the
pressure up and having the volume. A non-bleeder type should work well. My
Air-Verter wouldn't work real well. It does work, but nothing like it does
with a much bigger volume tank. If you take a propane tank (100 lb.) and run
your air into it and then to the gun, using the propane tank as a volume
tank, it'll work like a hot damn. Having one of the little valves that you
can hold in the non-painting hand helps with fine tuning. (How can you folks
tell that I'm not a pro-painter?)
    All the very best of the season to all.
Pat Patrick
More trucks than space in my yard. '79 F250 4X4 Dream Truck under
construction.


------------------------------





------------------------------

From: "Keith" <A2JKEITH GCI.NET>
Subject: My recent woes,
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:43:58 -0900

Well here I am again,
its been a while since I have written any messages. I still dont have my power steering on my 71F250 4x4
that has been put on hold till I get some time :) I just wanted to share my woes with everyone else heheh. Tuesday night I got a call from a buddy of mine at about 10:45 pm and he says his tranny went out or his clutch went out. So I go fire up the beast and head over to tow him across town (Anchorage Alaska.......lots of ice ect ect ect.) Well in the place he was sitting (me being blind) I did not see the 4 foot hole in the way of my "shortcut" that I was taking to cut off having to get on the freeway for a mile+ just to turn around and come back. Well all of a sudden my front end dissapears everything in the cab hits the roof, and I was thinkin oh crud............ I grabbed 4 high and opened up all four barrels on my edelbrock..... launched the truck out the other side of the hole narrowly missing my buddys truck, to top it all off, I tow him home and then wednesday I go back over and spent 5 hours on the ice fighting this Ford Ranger (87) FINALLY I get the tranny undone and all the attachments and the clutch drops out on my head (about 5 million pieces) I am thinking great, that 5 inches of sludge in the tranny wasnt the problem! So we went to get his clutch pack and I stopped by a shop that my work (Napa auto parts) delivers to. They say I can use the shop to finish the job, so we go across town again, this time in my buddys little S10 ya the irony of this is probably just now starting to hit you huh? Anyway, this little S10 Blazer tows me back across town (me driving the ranger) and I felt like a moron even though it wasnt my truck. So we get back to the shop clean out the tranny and get everything all ready and come to find out we have the wrong clutch pack ( MORONS AT NAPA! ! ! !). I went back tonight with the right clutch pack because I looked it up myself, and get everything put together bleed the clutch and get everything else ready to go, I fire the engine and it starts right up, I am thinking GREAT! ! !  I put it in reverse and let out on the clutch....................... nothing, absolutely nothing! ! ! ! ! ! ! Come to find out, my buddy is sooooo good that he can destroy a clutch and a tranny main shaft all at once!( Either that or the sludge was the only thing holding the main shaft together).        SO, Tomorrow I have to go get another transmission and DO IT ALL AGAIN ! !
FTE CONTENT: I am using my gas loving, chevy hating, F250 to do all the running around!
   Also to top it all off I have to help him buy the new tranny becuase he doesnt have the money and desperatly needs his truck to get back and forth to work, so, once again , mr nice guy strikes, when I realized his main shaft in his tranny was broke, I felt so horrible I couldnt even tell him, I had to have one of the other guys there in the shop tell him, so anyway I am done ruinin all yalls moral for the year.

   Sorry Ken I realize this doesnt have much to do with the list, but the old saying goes, "Misery loves company" and I didnt want everyone else to be left out!

God bless,
Keith
71 F250 4x4


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:26:19 -0600
From: Steve Schaefer <schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: Re: C-6 Guru needed.


Well, gang, here is an update on the C-6 in the "new" Bronco I just
bought.  I think that I missed D#g*st #365, as I didn't see any of the
2nd round of questions that I asked.  I changed the Y pipe, so the
exhuast is not blowing directly on the cooler lines.  I also replaced
the aging rubber cooler lines.  The tranny still does not shift into a
foward gear after shifting the tranny in reverse when it warms up.  I
can still put the truck in any foward gear when I just go from park or
neutral.  The first time I put it in reverse when it is warm, it will
not go back into a foward gear.  This weekend I will try installing a
different valvebody (1 that is known good).   I will let everyone know
if this takes care of the problem.

Steve S.
54 F-100
76 F-350 Crew cab
77 F-250 Supercab
79 Bronco
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/




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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:51:35 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Ken, how far behind are you with the picture


At 10:33 PM 12/14/00, you wrote:
>Just wondering how long it takes to get a picture put on the site.
>
>Keep up the good work!
>
>
>
>Garrett www.1966ford.com

The pictures I just put up are through July 26th.  I
have 281 trucks left before I'm caught up.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: hey
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:57:52 -0600


Hey, who's your friend? That sounds like my friend's car =),  there's a pic
of it on my website in the gallery, I need to take more of it though.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.flash.net/~bruce9

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim and Pam Allgire
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:18 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hey


man did you SCORE   a deal big time !!!   not many big block Cougars around.
better fix it up & hold on to it for awhile. A freind of mine has a 67 Dan
Gurney Special  Cougar that has less than 100,000 miles on it. it is a
289-automatic. Vintage burgundy with black  top  & red leather interior.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:17 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] hey


>
>hey remember that couger that i said i could buy.
>well it's a 67 xr7  it has the orignal 390   and i bought it for FREE!!!!!
>
>woah.. i can't belive it.. it was my dad's friends and it just needs a lot
>of work...
>
>-Don
>
>




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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: 240/300 vs 302 motor mounts
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:01:08 -0600


Thanks, hehe, I'm not even thinking about putting a V8 in this thing :) I
have a 428 and I can notice a big difference between the gas it chugs and
the gas my 240 sips =)

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gagnon, Raymond J
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:13 PM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [61-79-list] 240/300 vs 302 motor mounts


From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: motor mounts
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:02:10 -0600

This is for the '67-72 trucks, are the motor mounts the same between the
240/300 and 302's? Not sure when the 302 came out in the pickup, so this
could be a dumb question. Let me know.

Eric,
They aren't the same.  A 302 with engine mounts will set on the 240/300
frame mounts, but the engine will be about 3" forward of where it should be.
I think the 302 began in 1970 for trucks, they were hard to find back in '89
when I did this same swap to my '69 F100, but I think they are available
aftermarket now.

BTW, if you're just using the truck as a street truck the 302 is fine, if
you intend to haul or tow I'd go bigger, 351W at least.  I pulled my rebuilt
302 out after 18 months because it had no torque, couldn't do anything with
that truck.  I dropped in a used 351W, MUCH better.
Now I drive 390, muchmuch better.  I'm thinking about a 460, muchmuchmuch
better??

Ray G



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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:52:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Kaczmar <biertest-r excite.com>
Subject: HVLP Guns



While we are talking about painting, I have a few questions about HVLP guns.


1) What is a good brand? I plan to lay down a decent, professional looking
paint job. I don't want to choose a junk one and end up screwing up a paint
job.

2) Do HVLP guns really produce a significantly less overspray? Is paint
consuption about the same, or less due to the less overspray.

3) what should I expect to pay for a decent one? I will be painting at least
3 cars in the next few years.

....

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