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61-79-list Digest Sat, 09 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 362

In This Issue:
Re: 460 in a 65
Re: Let the welding begin
Stethoscope
Re: Stethoscope
Re: Compression Tests
Just Curious....M Block Question
Re: Just Curious....M Block Question
Re: Just Curious....M Block Question
Quick update on D60 progress
Re: 460 in a 65
seats
Re: seats
Re: miss at idle

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 460 in a 65
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:31:01 -0500


I have seen big blocks in them before.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Forbes <rbforbes ro.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:33 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 460 in a 65


>Hey guys,
>
>Well, the new year is just upon us and I've been able to save enough money
for that 460 build up. The question is, does a 460 with headers fit between
the fender skirts of a 65? Also will the width of the 460 effect the
steering gear box or column? I've got plans to swap the standard steering
for power steering.
>
>The truck now has a 352 in it, but we already have most of the 460 parts
ready to go.It is a camper special with ancient wiring. It actually has a
second fuse block under the hood, on the fender skirt, behind the battery.
We plan on rewiring the whole thing.
>
>Any help, or suggestions from the list would be appreciated.
>
>Take it easy,
>Brian Forbes
>Huntsville, Ala
>
>65 F-100, 240
>65 F-100, 352
>66 F-100, (warmed over) 302
>
>


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From: "Larry Coffman" <coffman defnet.com>
Subject: Re: Let the welding begin
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:28:07 -0500


Miller and Hobart are both part of the ITW company


----- Original Message -----
From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:26 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Let the welding begin


>
> In a month or so I need to begin the restoration of a special Torino. I
have
> done a lot of looking into Mig welders and finally chose the Miller
> MILLERMATIC 130 XP MIG WELDER. I then found a listing for the
> MILLER AUTO ARC XLT 135. I could not find any info on this machine
> so I contacted miller. Here is the response:
>
> the Auto Arc XLT135 is actually a Hobart Handler 135 branded with the Auto
> Arc name.
>
> My question is why would Miller rebrand a Hobart?
>
> If any of you out there have either could you let me know. I am looking
for
> the best
> welder for sheet metal work and not necessarily the least expensive.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Bill
>
>


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Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 21:38:08 -0800
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Stethoscope


Ohio Bill, <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
I suggest using a length of heater hose as a stethoscope (or would that be
a "uniscope"?) to listen for the exact location of this noise.

How about a "real one"?

I was just thinking about what I want for Christmas.  My wife and I supply
each other a list this time of year.  I already have one of these.  But, for
those of you who don't, this might be a good thing for your own list.  They're
relatively cheap, and are great for diagnosing things like noisy alternator and
water pump bearings.

I use mine frequently, and if I lost it I would buy another.  Available at auto
parts houses.

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:45:25 EST
Subject: Re: Stethoscope

In a message dated 12/9/2000 9:37:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, ae722 lafn.org
writes:


> Ohio Bill, <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
> I suggest using a length of heater hose as a stethoscope (or would that be
> a "uniscope"?) to listen for the exact location of this noise.
>
> How about a "real one"?
>
> I was just thinking about what I want for Christmas.  My wife and I supply
> each other a list this time of year.  I already have one of these.  But,
> for
> those of you who don't, this might be a good thing for your own list.
> They're
> relatively cheap, and are great for diagnosing things like noisy alternator
> and
> water pump bearings.
>
> I use mine frequently, and if I lost it I would buy another.  Available at
> auto
> parts houses.
>
> -M-
>

Just want to point out the ever so obvius fact that you need to be careful
when your using one of these.  People have died when the fan catches the tube
and instead of breaking the tubing, pulled there face down into the fan.
Hate to loose any of yall to this.

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:52:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee <danlee_58 yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Compression Tests


Another way to check for burned valves is to remove
the Schrader valve from the Compression tester, that
way you will see the maximum compression from each
compression cycle. Instead of the max of all cycles. A
burned valve will show variability from one cycle to
another.

I have never tried this, but it should work.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


>Compression tests lie.
>
>The only way to find out if valves are bad is to
>repeat the compression test several times and compare
>each test to all the others. Bad valves show up as
>variability in readings in one or more cylinders.
This
>is because the valve rotates and may leak at one
>rotation and not at others. Burned valves give a
rough
>idle and low and jumpy vacuum, but not necessarily a
>miss.


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From: EffieFrd aol.com
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:02:06 EST
Subject: Just Curious....M Block Question


Hey Y'all
I was talking to one of my Bronco buddies who also has a '78, and he told me
the M series of engines are "weathered."  Meaning that they cast the block
then throw it out in a field for a number of years.  The metal weathers and
hardens in the elements.  It makes the engine block less susceptible to
engine damage and cylinder wear.  This is just what he told me, so I'm
wondering.  Has anybody ever heard this before??  Thanks for your time.  :o)


~Melissa
Marietta, GA
1978 Bronco Ranger XLT
1989 Bronco XLT
ICQ#84544993
Real Racers Drive Straight To The Finish Line...
Those Other Guys Just Drive In Circles Looking For It.

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Just Curious....M Block Question
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:18:46 -0800

This was a common practice on many cast iron engines over the years. I don't
know if it's still done or not.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: <EffieFrd aol.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 12:02 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Just Curious....M Block Question


>
> Hey Y'all
> I was talking to one of my Bronco buddies who also has a '78, and he told
me
> the M series of engines are "weathered."  Meaning that they cast the block
> then throw it out in a field for a number of years.  The metal weathers
and
> hardens in the elements.  It makes the engine block less susceptible to
> engine damage and cylinder wear.  This is just what he told me, so I'm
> wondering.  Has anybody ever heard this before??  Thanks for your time.
:o)
>




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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Just Curious....M Block Question
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:16:13 -0500


far as i know they do not weather the blocks now i,ve hauled engines
directly from the casting plants and straight to the heat treaters so they
can by pass this little deal i would guess ,used to i know G/M and Ford used
the weathering method tho i can recall seeing large fields of them and they
usually sat for at least 1 year or longer then to get the aging into them
then ,this is why whenever your doing a rebuild whenever possible you dont
want to disturb the original line bore because  then it has to begin all
over again to be as strong as it was before
gordon
=================================================


> This was a common practice on many cast iron engines over the years. I
don't
> know if it's still done or not.
========================================================
> > I was talking to one of my Bronco buddies who also has a '78, and he
told
> me
> > the M series of engines are "weathered."  Meaning that they cast the
block
> > then throw it out in a field for a number of years.  The metal weathers
> and
> > hardens in the elements.  It makes the engine block less susceptible to
> > engine damage and cylinder wear.  This is just what he told me, so I'm
> > wondering.  Has anybody ever heard this before??



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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:58:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Quick update on D60 progress


Hey all,

I just thought I'd give you all a quick update on my progress redoing the
brakes/bearings/races/seals in my Dana 60 rear in my F-350.  Today was a
long day.  I started at 8AM and just came inside at 4:30.  Lets see...
where to start......    Its done!  Somehow I managed to change the brakes,
drums, bearings, and seals and get it all buttoned up again in one day.
Thanks to all of you for all of your help in this long drawn out process.
I can't thank you enough.  I know I couldn't have done it without you
since the writeups in the Shop manual and Haynes manual were next to
useless.  I've got to get cleaned up and head out to a Christmas party now
but I wanted to share the good news.  I'll have some questions and such
later.

Thanks Again!

Eric Finn (still learning as he goes)
'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project stalled)
'79 F-350 4x4 "Fred"

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:59:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Rozell <prozell yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 460 in a 65


Brian,
I have a 65 with a 460 and C6 in it now. Originally the truck had a 352 with a 3 speed in it. The
Engine compartment has massive amounts of room and fitting the 460 in is no problem at all. My
truck also has power steering which was not hard at all.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6


--- Brian Forbes <rbforbes ro.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> Well, the new year is just upon us and I've been able to save enough money for that 460 build
> up. The question is, does a 460 with headers fit between the fender skirts of a 65? Also will
> the width of the 460 effect the steering gear box or column? I've got plans to swap the standard
> steering for power steering.
>
> The truck now has a 352 in it, but we already have most of the 460 parts ready to go.It is a
> camper special with ancient wiring. It actually has a second fuse block under the hood, on the
> fender skirt, behind the battery. We plan on rewiring the whole thing.
>
> Any help, or suggestions from the list would be appreciated.
>
> Take it easy,
> Brian Forbes
> Huntsville, Ala
>
> 65 F-100, 240
> 65 F-100, 352
> 66 F-100, (warmed over) 302
>
>


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From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:05:38 EST
Subject: seats


hi

i have a 65 f-250 i was wondering if anyone has put bucket seats in a 61-65?
what kind did you use? including frame etc.

thanks
nutch

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: seats
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:31:14 -0500


i have a 65 f-250 i was wondering if anyone has put bucket seats in a 61-65?
> what kind did you use? including frame etc.
>
> thanks
> nutch
>
> ====================================================
I have a good friend who installed buckets into a 61 and used t bird seats
the ones before that were from a vega tho
gordon



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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:35:46 EST
Subject: Re: miss at idle


In a message dated 12/7/2000 11:39:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bigtracks hotmail.com writes:

<<
Hey Burt-got that 72 together yet?

Steve
 >>
Yes almost, (how's that for trying to sound positive) engine, transmission,
drive train, power steering, and replacement panels are installed.  Changing
out headers to the L&L ones, saving money for them now.  Paint body this
spring.  Frame painted with POR-15
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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