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61-79-list Digest Fri, 08 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 361

In This Issue:
anybody in NC
miss at idle
Need Seat Belts for '79 - Anybody??
Need Seat Belts for '79 - Anybody??]
Re: Hi-Boy auto swap/Gear drive
Re: Knock Knock! Who's (or what's) there?
Re: Knock Knock! Who's (or what's) there?
Sarcasm Racing is back
Re: engine miss
Re: engine miss
Re: Need Seat Belts for '79 - Anybody??]
460 in a 65

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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:03:04 -0700
From: Dave Oneal <dave davesmonsterpit.com>
Subject: anybody in NC

has anyone ever heard of David O'Neal automotive group in Raleigh? just so
happens that that is my name. I dont think that it is a Ford dealer, but im
not sure. Would be real cool if it was.


Dave

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From: "steve potratz" <bigtracks hotmail.com>
Subject: miss at idle
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:38:47


As I mentioned in my first post, the compression seems to be
>pretty good.
>
>    #4 145 lb                  #8 145 lb
>    #3 140 lb                  #7 140 lb
>    #2 135 lb                  #6 145 lb
>    #1 140 lb                  #5 140 lb
>
>A vacuum gauge shows only about 17" and the mechanic says that
>it should be reading about 22".
>
I have had several 400's with idle missing problems over the years and most
seem to be burned #4 valves because of the vacuum port located on that end
of the intake runner.  I traced it to either the vacuum tree or in some
cases the power brake booster.  Sometimes the booster shaft seal isn't
seated properly or has a tear in it causing excessive air flow on the one
runner and leaning the mixture out selectively.  Eventually the valves on
that runner get burned.  I've seen this twice.  The other thing that
happened to me that was similar was a bad spark plug that wouldn't fire at
low RPM but would as engine speed increased.  I spent $350 trying to solve
that one-even resorted to taking it in for a scope check which didn't catch
the plug.  Ended up replacing the intake gasket and several lifters(just
because the top was open) on my 390.  Found the problem when the spark plug
crumbled in my hands.
Haven't posted in over a year cause life has been full.  I hope it will
settle as I haven't had the chance to work on any of my fun projects in a
couple of years.  My short box 71 is sitting in the shed getting old and my
super cab just stares at me forlorn in the driveway.  Graduate the oldest
daughter this year maybe I can start on a project in the summer.

Hey Burt-got that 72 together yet?

Steve

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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 02:57:02 -0500
From: "Sean R. Kerns" <Studio Bloodspoint.com>
Subject: Need Seat Belts for '79 - Anybody??


Hi all,

I've posted on this before, and gotten lots of help and resources, but
all of the ones I checked just had universal type belts. I need to get
some "real" Ford replacements for the retractable lap belts on my '79
F-250.
The Ford dealers laughed at me, and as I said, the only new ones I can
find are universal. My last resort is to take the ones I've got out at
see if I can get an upholstery shop to replace the webbing, which is the

only thing wrong with them.

Before I try that, though, does _anybody_ have a line on a set of these
belts in black? I wanted new, but at this point, I'd also take good used

ones, as long as they work, and aren't shredding from UV damage like my
current set. My experience with having "custom" work done, or even
getting a shop interested, hasn't been too good, so I'd prefer to go
with factory belts.

Thanks in advance,

Sean
'79 F-250 4x4, Cincinnati, OH



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and all I got was this stupid sig!!"



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Date:  8 Dec 00 00:07:17 PST
From: Ryan Sturz <68classic usa.net>
Subject: Need Seat Belts for '79 - Anybody??]


Sean,

Try these guys:

www.ssnake-oyl.com  or (903)526-4500

I have never dealt with them myself but have only gotten very good comments
about them.  They have been recommended to me by several Cougar, Mustang and
Corvette people.

Good luck,

Ryan

> Hi all,
>
> I've posted on this before, and gotten lots of help and resources, but
> all of the ones I checked just had universal type belts. I need to get
> some "real" Ford replacements for the retractable lap belts on my '79
> F-250.
> The Ford dealers laughed at me, and as I said, the only new ones I can
> find are universal. My last resort is to take the ones I've got out at
> see if I can get an upholstery shop to replace the webbing, which is the
>
> only thing wrong with them.
>
> Before I try that, though, does _anybody_ have a line on a set of these
> belts in black? I wanted new, but at this point, I'd also take good used
>
> ones, as long as they work, and aren't shredding from UV damage like my
> current set. My experience with having "custom" work done, or even
> getting a shop interested, hasn't been too good, so I'd prefer to go
> with factory belts.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Sean
> '79 F-250 4x4, Cincinnati, OH
>
>
>
> --
> Sean R. Kerns (aka Snake)
> e-mail: Studio Bloodspoint.com
> Bloodspoint Studio - Home of Stalking Horse
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bloodspoint.com
> "I was drugged and left for dead in Mexico,
> and all I got was this stupid sig!!"
>
>


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From: "Matt" <draygo pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Hi-Boy auto swap/Gear drive
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:47:21 -0800

----- Original Message -----
From: "scott" <scott ford-trucks.com>

> Personally I want one for my FE because of the awesome noise they make.
> Big cam,headers,flowmasters and a gear drive ,I could sit in the garage
> and listen to it idle for entertainment.

LOL! This sounds like something my girlfriend would say about me!

Matt

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."




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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:22:48 -0500
From: William King <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Knock Knock! Who's (or what's) there?


Sean,
I suggest using a length of heater hose as a stethoscope (or would that be
a "uniscope"?) to listen for the exact location of this noise.
I was amazed at the many noises I could hear inside my 429, and I was
able to pinpoint a ticking noise as a collapsed lifter (b/c the noise was
loudest when I put the heater hose on my intake manifold).

Ohio Bill
1968 Torino GT 429 4v 5 speed
1968 F100 360 2v 4 speed

>I don't think my truck wants to be a hotrod :).  Two days after the
>headers for my planned 300-4bbl swap showed up, the engine started making an
>ominous knocking sound.  Before I go putting go-fast parts on this thing,
>I need to track this noise down.  Anyone wanna help me diagnose this?
>>>>>snip-a-roo<<<<<<<<

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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:11:09 -0500
From: somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Subject: Re: Knock Knock! Who's (or what's) there?

Thanks for all the replies so far about my knocking 300.  Looks like
I'll grab one of my spare heater hoses and do the stethoscope
trick.

Probably won't have time to deal with it until Sunday, but I'll
post updates for anyone who's interested.

--sean

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:46:31 GMT
Subject: Sarcasm Racing is back


For those of you who are interested in seeing how the season went, we finally
got our server back online after a hard drive crashed.

This is SCCA Solo II, or autocross ... including a few "Mustang/Ford powered"
events.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://209.234.75.152/

FTE Content: I ran Dad's 93 Lightning at one race, and sometimes "That 70's
Truck" is used to tow the car :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:07:56 -0600
Subject: Re: Hi-Boy auto swap/Gear drive
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


>> Personally I want one for my FE because of the awesome noise they make.
>> Big cam,headers,flowmasters and a gear drive ,I could sit in the garage
>> and listen to it idle for entertainment.
>
> LOL! This sounds like something my girlfriend would say about me!

Try the driveway. I think and hope your comments are light hearted because
running a vehicle in a garage is deadly.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:18:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee <danlee_58 yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: engine miss


Compression tests lie.

The only way to find out if valves are bad is to
repeat the compression test several times and compare
each test to all the others. Bad valves show up as
variability in readings in one or more cylinders. This
is because the valve rotates and may leak at one
rotation and not at others. Burned valves give a rough
idle and low and jumpy vacuum, but not necessarily a
miss.

BTW, the test should be made with all plugs removed
and the carb fully opened.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V



> As I mentioned in my first post, the compression
seems to be
> pretty good.
>
>    #4 145 lb                  #8 145 lb
>    #3 140 lb                  #7 140 lb
>    #2 135 lb                  #6 145 lb
>    #1 140 lb                  #5 140 lb
>
>A vacuum gauge shows only about 17" and the mechanic
says that
> it should be reading about 22".
>



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From: "bull" <rodney slowspeed.com>
Subject: Re: engine miss
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:25:39 -0800


you could also try a leak down test.
with a leak down tester. I used one on my 352 and found out that my valve
guides/seals were toast.

when you do the leak down listen for air coming out the valve covers or into
the oil pan.
this will determine where you are having problems




rodney
67F250


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lee" <danlee_58 yahoo.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:18 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: engine miss


>
> Compression tests lie.
>
> The only way to find out if valves are bad is to
> repeat the compression test several times and compare
> each test to all the others. Bad valves show up as
> variability in readings in one or more cylinders. This
> is because the valve rotates and may leak at one
> rotation and not at others. Burned valves give a rough
> idle and low and jumpy vacuum, but not necessarily a
> miss.
>
> BTW, the test should be made with all plugs removed
> and the carb fully opened.
>
> Dan Lee
> '53 F100
> 400C-4V
>
>
>
> > As I mentioned in my first post, the compression
> seems to be
> > pretty good.
> >
> >    #4 145 lb                  #8 145 lb
> >    #3 140 lb                  #7 140 lb
> >    #2 135 lb                  #6 145 lb
> >    #1 140 lb                  #5 140 lb
> >
> >A vacuum gauge shows only about 17" and the mechanic
> says that
> > it should be reading about 22".
> >
>
>
>
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>


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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:07:46 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Need Seat Belts for '79 - Anybody??]


At 12:07 AM 12/8/00 PST, you wrote:
>
>Sean,
>
>Try these guys:
>
>www.ssnake-oyl.com  or (903)526-4500
>
>I have never dealt with them myself but have only gotten very good comments
>about them.  They have been recommended to me by several Cougar, Mustang and
>Corvette people.
>
>Good luck,

Sean,

I have used Snake-Oyl to restore my '71 truck lap belts.  They took the
chrome buckles and refurbished them.
Sewed new webbing on, basically they made every inch of them as new.  I am
really pleased with the quality of work but I must
warn you, they are very very pricey.

I dunno if I will use them again since I have different ideas for
the new project truck which do not involve a stock configuration of seat
belts.  They are not only concerned with safety but
also providing the best quality product they can.

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm  (1971 F-100 4x4 for sale!!!)

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From: "Brian Forbes" <rbforbes ro.com>
Subject: 460 in a 65
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:28:27 -0600

Hey guys,

Well, the new year is just upon us and I've been able to save enough money for that 460 build up. The question is, does a 460 with headers fit between the fender skirts of a 65? Also will the width of the 460 effect the steering gear box or column? I've got plans to swap the standard steering for power steering.

The truck now has a 352 in it, but we already have most of the 460 parts ready to go.It is a camper special with ancient wiring. It actually has a second fuse block under the hood, on the fender skirt, behind the battery. We plan on rewiring the whole thing.

Any help, or suggestions from the list would be appreciated.

Take it easy,
Brian Forbes
Huntsville, Ala

65 F-100, 240
65 F-100, 352
66 F-100, (warmed over) 302


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