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61-79-list Digest Mon, 27 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 351

In This Issue:
Re: Timing belt
Re: D9VE- Head question
Finally Finished
Re: C9VE- Head question  (not D)
Re: C9VE- Head question  (not D)
lead on Aussie heads
Re: lead on Aussie heads
Re: Timing belt & Modular Engines
Update on parts for sale
Finally Finished II
Lowering and Disc Brake Swap
Re: Timing belt & Modular Engines
Re: Timing belt
was Timing belt now mod motor family
Re: Update on parts for sale...maybe
Re: Tranny Cooler Location
Re: Update on parts for sale...maybe
Re: was Timing belt now mod motor family
ADMIN: FTE server downtime
Re: alum welding/Hindenburg
Re: Timing belt
Re: Timing belt & Modular Engines
Re: Update on parts for sale
!973 F100 Wiring
Re: 1973 F100 Wiring
Re: 1973 F100 Wiring

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:18:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Timing belt

>> If you guys tell me the new modular engines actually do have muffler
>> bearings I'm going to scream....:-)

That must be the racket I hear when I start my car ... the oil getting out to
the muffler bearings to keep them from rattling ...

>> (wouldn't surprise me in the
>> least...timing belts,

Dunno what Modulars you've seen but mine's got chains in it ... as do the Cobra's
... isn't the "modular" family only the 4.6L through 6.8L right now ?

>> plastic intakes,

Great for insulation, really why do you need a metal one, all it does is conduct
heat faster to the intake air charge ... the strength doesn't need to be hardly
anything cause its not like it holds the motor together :)

>> Engine oil pumps driven by the
>> transmission...but only in drive.... :-))
>

Neat trick :)  Guess mine never gets oil then with that manual tranny and all
:)  The engine oil pump is indeed driven by the crank directly now though, no
more pins to shear or drive shafts to break, it bolts right around the front
of the crank :)

>I guess when I can''t get parts for my current transportation, I'll either

>walk or take the bus. Too much plastic....
>

Is that what you'll be using when you start taking the bus (too much plastic
? :)

Anyway I'm not offended by any of this and I am saying this in a joking manor,
I feel I know John and Gary well enough ... trying to avoid a flame war, but
seriously there is info in those jokes ... lots of mis information going around
about the modulars apparently, no wonder they've gotten a bad name ... that
and dealers conning people because they don't know about the motor won't help
things ...




Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:35:43 -0600
Subject: Re: Timing belt
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Anyway I'm not offended by any of this and I am saying this in a joking manor,
> I feel I know John and Gary well enough ... trying to avoid a flame war, but
> seriously there is info in those jokes ...

Ditto. But I really don't like any engine with a timing belt. Many of my
neighbors with a bunch of different brands have bough new heads to new
engines because they didn't replace the belt as suggested by the maintenance
schedule. At about 80k off she pops while they are running about 80 are so
down the freeway. Man, those pistons hit those valves (all 16 to 24) hard
and fast. (None of them own V8s) When I decide to buy a throw away car, I'll
buy a multi-valve rubber timing belt powered car. Dang it, I work too hard
for my money. Besides, if Henry is good for 180k miles or so, he won't need
an overhaul for another 20 years.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:47:46 EST
Subject: Re: D9VE- Head question

In a message dated 11/26/2000 7:11:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
xavetarx home.com writes:

<< What are the differences between the D9VE heads and the D0VE heads?..  are
they the same compression ratio, or slightly different.  The D9VE heads I'm
refering to are off a 69 engine.
 >>
There is a big difference in the compression ratio.  The DZeroVE (you wrote
it correctly) head has an approximately 75cc combustion chamber, while the D9
has an approximately 96cc combustion chamber.  This difference, the 28cc
piston dish, and .022" extension of the deck height in the D9 engines makes
an engine with a 8:1 compression ratio.  As compared to the D0, which has
10.5:1 or 11:1 compression ratio.  The horse power difference is dramatic
also, as the 1970 has around 370, and the 1979 has around 200.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:54:29 GMT
Subject: Finally Finished

Yeah, right.  Well this stage is anyway.  This morning I drove my truck to work
with its 76 front axle and 78 steering system.

Yup, no more power assist with control valve, and no more drum brakes on the
front. (they're for sale though if anyone's interested :)

Dad and I spent Sat. and Sun. back at my place putting it all back together,
should take it in for an alignment sometime soon, but our "scientific" way of
measuring the toe lets it go straight down the road without touching the wheel.


I found Parts America had a bunch of the odd brake parts I needed, new bolts
for the caliper retainers and other small hardware for that, as well as an adapter
to get the rear brakes hooked up.

Learned a very important lesson about Craftsman ... ALWAYS check to be sure
the tool you've got is guaranteed forever, my torque wrench broke and they are
saying it only has a 90day warranty (its a year and a half or so) ... I'm going
to go through my files as I think mine's part number is slightly different which
might mean it is before this 90 day crap came about.  Not very happy at any
rate as I had to buy another one (much cheaper one this time that IS guaranteed
for life).

But I did learn a lot about the way all this goes together and its all fresh
in my head now, so if anyone has any questions on how that stuff goes together
I might be able to answer them :)

For those that are interested I started with a basically stock 74 chassis and
running gear (drum brakes and ram style steering)

I went to a 76 axle with 76 disc brakes, brake lines were from a 76, even got
the middle one from raebestoes if anyone needs the part number.  The steering
is all 78/9 setup, though the pressure hose is for a 76 as I have the old style
p/s pump.

The frame was drilled to accept the new box, and all new linkages/ball joints
etc. were put in ...

Look for updates in the next week or so to the web page as well, no pictures
unfortunately, but should have some info and can get plenty of "after" pics
to show how things were done :)

Its great to be driving my truck again though after 2+ months of watching it
sit while I worked on other things.
Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: C9VE- Head question  (not D)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:02:07 -0500

You know what. (feeling stupid) I was kind of confused by this last night.
I was trying to figure out why it was a 69 engine, and I thought the casting
was D9VE.  Well, after checking again, it's C9VE-A.  So my question should
have been "is there a difference between C9VE and D0VE"  Basically asking if
the heads were different from 69-70.  Which I don't think much was
different, but I am no expert on this matter by far!

Damn dyslexia!!

Thanks a bunch Burt,

-bob-
79 Bronco 460 44's T18
79 Bronco 400 40's C6


 >>
There is a big difference in the compression ratio.  The DZeroVE (you wrote
it correctly) head has an approximately 75cc combustion chamber, while the
D9
has an approximately 96cc combustion chamber.  This difference, the 28cc
piston dish, and .022" extension of the deck height in the D9 engines makes
an engine with a 8:1 compression ratio.  As compared to the D0, which has
10.5:1 or 11:1 compression ratio.  The horse power difference is dramatic
also, as the 1970 has around 370, and the 1979 has around 200.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460



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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: C9VE- Head question  (not D)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:15:24 -0800

C9VE-A shows as a 70-71 429CJ/SCJ or Police head. 73.5 cc comb. chamber with
2.24/1.725 inch I/E valves. Very desirable, high compression heads.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C9VE- Head question (not D)


> You know what. (feeling stupid) I was kind of confused by this last night.
> I was trying to figure out why it was a 69 engine, and I thought the
casting
> was D9VE.  Well, after checking again, it's C9VE-A.  So my question should
> have been "is there a difference between C9VE and D0VE"  Basically asking
if
> the heads were different from 69-70.  Which I don't think much was
> different, but I am no expert on this matter by far!
>




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Date: 27 Nov 00 10:13:33 PST
From: Ryan Sturz <68classic usa.net>
Subject: lead on Aussie heads

Hello y'all,

Found this page yesterday: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8main.html

Guy's in New Zealand, says he will help find Aussie heads if anyone is
interested.  I haven't checked how recent the last update of his site was but
it might be worth checking out to someone who really wants those heads.  More
fun info on SOHCs and some Motorcycle stuff.  Did you know that they had a 302
Cleveland (de-stroked 351) in Oz?

Have fun,

Ryan
'77 F250 in SoCal

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: lead on Aussie heads
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:27:03 -0800

Yeah Geoff is a good guy. He already sent a pair to one guy and he regularly
posts in the alt.hi-po.big-block-ford-mercury newsgroup.

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From: "Ryan Sturz" <68classic usa.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:13 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] lead on Aussie heads


> Hello y'all,
>
> Found this page yesterday: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8main.html
>
> Guy's in New Zealand, says he will help find Aussie heads if anyone is
> interested.  I haven't checked how recent the last update of his site was
but
> it might be worth checking out to someone who really wants those heads.
More
> fun info on SOHCs and some Motorcycle stuff.  Did you know that they had a
302
> Cleveland (de-stroked 351) in Oz?
>




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From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Re: Timing belt & Modular Engines
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:44:59 -0500

Anyone ever transplanted a 4.6 or a 5.4 into one of our older trucks?

Ken Schneider

68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
88 Crown Victoria 5.0/AOD

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Update on parts for sale
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:58:37 -0600

Update:

Sold so far:

Front Axle
Rear Axle
Windshield


Anyone want anything else????
I got the married version of the np205 with a c6.  In decent shape.  Tranny
doesn't slip.

-Don




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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:12:21 -0600
Subject: Re: Timing belt & Modular Engines
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Anyone ever transplanted a 4.6 or a 5.4 into one of our older trucks?
>
> Ken Schneider
>
> 68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
> 88 Crown Victoria 5.0/AOD

No. The rubber timing belt won't fit between the front of the block and the
radiator support plus the hood won't close on the plastic intake
manifold......

Don't shoot, I surrender. In reality, someone somewhere has I'm sure. As the
owner of an 88 Towncar with the same 5.0 as in your Crown Vic (EFI, I
presume), I would much prefer that set up in a short box 79 F100. That has
got to be the coolest looking hood full of stuff I have ever seen. Now I did
NOT say it would out perform anything in particular, but it sure does look
cool.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:49:13 GMT
Subject: Finally Finished II

heh, as Tony pointed out I forgot to give a review of how the thing drove after
all that work ... Its so normal I forgot to comment I think :)

Its great, no more wandering, at least not any more than any other truck with
wide tires, and the brakes actually feel pretty good, though I haven't gotten
on them really hard yet as I'd like to bed them in gently in hopes of preserving
the rotors, but the temptation is there to just wail on them and see what happens
before the need to do it arises, but I let one of my friends drive it who hasn't
driven it before and he thought it was really easy to drive now (auto tranny,
p/s, p/b).

2 thumbs up, but haven't totalled the bills up to see what the overall cost
was, but as i found out the front pretty much needed rebuilt anyway (bad joints
nearly everywhere in the old one)...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "gene baker" <bakergene hotmail.com>
Subject: Lowering and Disc Brake Swap
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:46:18 -0600

Ok guys,
Does anyone besides me ever watch the TV show TRUCKS on TNN on the weekends.
The reason I ask is I taped it over the weekend and they did a lowering job
on a 1966 F100 longbed, but while doing this they also performed the disc
brake swap that is in our tech articles on the web page. The only thing they
did different that I could tell was instead of using the proportioning valve
off the donor truck, they ordered a new power booster master cylinder setup
from Master Power brakes. The truck was lowered with a DJM dream beam kit
and looked prety god when finished, It wasn't way low (only dropped 3 inches
in the front and rear, but the rear shackle had two different lowering
heights 3 or 4 inches), but just low enough to improve the handling of the
truck. Has anyone else on the list though about doing this. I have thought
about it, but wasnt sure it would work with the disc brake swap.

By the way if anyone wants a copy of the tape let me know and I will make
you a copy as log as you pay for mailing it out.



THANKS,
GENE BAKER
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:55:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Timing belt & Modular Engines

>Anyone ever transplanted a 4.6 or a 5.4 into one of our older trucks?
>

Haven't seen it in a pickup yet, but have seen several Fox bodied Mustangs and
even a 69 that had that done ...

Actually a 6.8L V10 would be a cooler swap I think, unless you went with the
DOHC version of either of the 8's :)

You'd have to come up with something for motor-mounts, probably modified ones
from a latemodel pickup of some sort ... if you're running an auto tranny, my
condolences as that'll have to go with the motor, if a manual (old one) then
you might could get a Lakewood bellhousing that'll do the trick ...

Wiring would be a whole ball of worms too, but I'm sure it could be done ...


Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:03:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Timing belt

Heh, these rubber timing belt discussions reminded me (this is even FTE related!)
of an experience I had as a parts monkey ...

A guy walked in on a fairly warm day and looked to be a little hot (sweating
lightly and stuff) ... thought that was kind of odd as nearly everyone drives
to the store no matter how badly their car is running ... well this guy is holding
something in his hands too ...

"Can you tell me what this is for sure?" he says as he opens his hands and spills
these little tiny chunks of rubber onto the counter ...

We look at them briefly, they're nearly perfectly rectangular and appear to
not be broken at all, or only slightly torn.

"Yup, that looks like the teeth off of the timing belt"
"Oh, that's what I thought, I guess I'll take one for a 19?? Ford Ranger."

Turned out he had walked about a half a mile or so from the local grocery store
where he found the parts laying under his truck and he was sure they weren't
there from the previous vehicle either.  Never did hear if the motor was out
of time as it sat or what the deal was, but that was the only time I've heard/seen
that one ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:44:39 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: was Timing belt now mod motor family

At 05:18 PM 11/27/00 GMT, you wrote:
>>> If you guys tell me the new modular engines actually do have muffler
>>> bearings I'm going to scream....:-)
>
>That must be the racket I hear when I start my car ... the oil getting out to
>the muffler bearings to keep them from rattling ...

I have the same problem with both of my vehicles that have the mod motors
in them....reckon Ford should recall them??
>
>>> (wouldn't surprise me in the
>>> least...timing belts,
>
>Dunno what Modulars you've seen but mine's got chains in it ... as do the
Cobra's
>... isn't the "modular" family only the 4.6L through 6.8L right now ?


I think the 3.0 V-6 engines used in the old Contours and Mystiques were of
the same mod motor engine family.......
I could be worng but thought I recalled reading an article on these motors
in 93 or so when they first came out
that pistons interchanged etc between the 3.0 and the 4.6.  Could be wrong,
heck I am wrong more than I am right.  8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: Update on parts for sale...maybe
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:50:56 -0700

Is he tranny for an FE motor by any chance?

Thanks
Dan
67 F-100

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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:59 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Update on parts for sale


Update:

Sold so far:

Front Axle
Rear Axle
Windshield


Anyone want anything else????
I got the married version of the np205 with a c6.  In decent shape.  Tranny
doesn't slip.

-Don



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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:54:30 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Cooler Location



Gary wrote:

> Which is another good reason for a plow truck to have a stick :-)

<snip>
A 4 spd, if that's what you mean "stick", is fine if you're only plowing a
little. But if you plow alot, they're a real PITA. I've plowed w/2 4 spd's,
both '78's w/300 six. When you pushed into a snowbank it would "lock" in 1st. I
had to pull with both hands to get it out only to have it slam into #2 and then
get stuck there. And then there's backing up in granny reverse for a hundred or
so feet ... keep the windows down and heater off so ya don't fall asleep! Then
I bought the '77 w/351M - C6 ... it was like a dream! I get home in time for
supper now. :-)

> I usually run auto tranny oil till the vehicle is
> retired out of lazyness and have never lost one but if you are plowing etc.
> the oil will be damaged so needs to be changed more often than every 200k
> miles :-)

Yep, change mine every spring. I do alot of plowing and pull an 8 - 10k lb
trailer.

Greg
'77 F250 Explorer 4x4
'77 F100 SWB 4x4


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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Update on parts for sale...maybe
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:24:01 -0600

It's currently attached to a  351M.

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Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update on parts for sale...maybe


> Is he tranny for an FE motor by any chance?
>
> Thanks
> Dan
> 67 F-100
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Thurlow
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:59 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Update on parts for sale
>
>
> Update:
>
> Sold so far:
>
> Front Axle
> Rear Axle
> Windshield
>
>
> Anyone want anything else????
> I got the married version of the np205 with a c6.  In decent shape.
Tranny
> doesn't slip.
>
> -Don
>
>
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:34:52 GMT
Subject: Re: was Timing belt now mod motor family

>At 05:18 PM 11/27/00 GMT, you wrote:
>>>> If you guys tell me the new modular engines actually do have muffler
>>>> bearings I'm going to scream....:-)
>>
>>That must be the racket I hear when I start my car ... the oil getting out
to
>>the muffler bearings to keep them from rattling ...
>
>I have the same problem with both of my vehicles that have the mod motors
>in them....reckon Ford should recall them??
>>

Definitely!  We should all take our cars in at once too and expect them to have
the dealerships completely stocked and ready to deal with every modular motor
since 91 coming back for the part to be replaced ... sorry my cynicism and sarcasm
ran into each other on that one ...

>I could be worng but thought I recalled reading an article on these motors

>in 93 or so when they first came out
>that pistons interchanged etc between the 3.0 and the 4.6.

Its quite possible, I didn't really keep up on the new stuff then (was more
worried about graduating :)

> Could be wrong,
>heck I am wrong more than I am right.  8^)
>

It probably just seems that way since the kids you "teach" already know everything
...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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you be able to use the message boards.  You will, however,
continue to receive list mail correctly.

Your patience in this matter is appreciated.

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Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts






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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:24:35 EST
Subject: Re: alum welding/Hindenburg


In a message dated 11/27/2000 9:02:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:


> The initial explosion was from the Hydrogen. They always used Helium after
> A little more expensive, but totally inert. Ever do the electrolysis
> experiment to capture a couple of cc's of H in a test tube, then ignite it?
> Big pop for a small amount of gas. Over do it and you will explode the test
> tube. Trust me, if you aren't trained to use Hydrogen, leave it alone.
>
> A cigarette or any other open flame above a charging battery will do the
> same thing due to Hydrogen gas emission. Hello plastic surgery...
>
>
>
> VERY TRUE  Watched a guy blow a battery up at work with a torch, just kinda
> stood there, a lil stunned from the explosion.  A buddy threw him on the
> ground and turned the hose on him, while I ran over with a big box of bakin
> soda we kept "just in case"  Guy was very lucky, had his goggles on. All in
> all he was left with minimal scars, partly do to the fact he always had a
> huge beard.  Kept most the acid away from his skin.  Was back at work
> within 2 weeks.
>
> Darrell &





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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:28:38 EST
Subject: Re: Timing belt


In a message dated 11/27/2000 9:13:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:


> >> plastic intakes,
>
> Great for insulation, really why do you need a metal one, all it does is
> conduct
> heat faster to the intake air charge ... the strength doesn't need to be
> hardly
> anything cause its not like it holds the motor together :)
>

You havent seen the chevrolet service warning regarding their plastic intakes
have you?  If a vehicle is brought in with a running engine problem, they are
to shut it off immediately due to the fact that if the engine backfires into
the intake, the intake, not being made of a nice sturdy metal, will explode
violently, spreading shrapnel pretty far even through a closed hood.  Not
sure if any injuries have occured yet, but the potential is there.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:32:39 EST
Subject: Re: Timing belt & Modular Engines


In a message dated 11/27/2000 10:46:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
fordemail sunsetcoast.com writes:


> Anyone ever transplanted a 4.6 or a 5.4 into one of our older trucks?
>
> Ken Schneider
>

HAvent seen it, but if anyone is interested, in our local paper a guy has a
5.4 out of a 97 for sale, comes with the tranny and T-case.  All for either
$2500 or $2000, If anyone wants more details, just holler.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Charles T." <charlest hal-pc.org>
Subject: Re: Update on parts for sale
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:50:29 -0800

Door panels? Visors? Chrome moulding?
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:58 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Update on parts for sale


> Update:
>
> Sold so far:
>
> Front Axle
> Rear Axle
> Windshield
>
>
> Anyone want anything else????
> I got the married version of the np205 with a c6.  In decent shape.
Tranny
> doesn't slip.
>
> -Don
>
>
>
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From: "craig sharp" <csharp29 home.com>
Subject: !973 F100 Wiring
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:10:12 -0500


As I see from reading this groupís mail, shop manuals from Ford donít
usually include wiring diagrams. GeeeezeÖ I bought a set of shop manuals
ready to solve my problems. I have some mail order listings that I can try
to see if I can find one for my 1973 F100.

In the meantime, does anyone know if, and if it does, why it does, the left
side brake light wire runs through the neutral safety switch (mine does,,
scratching head).

Thanks to anyone for help.

Craig Sharp



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From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Re: 1973 F100 Wiring
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:23:49 -0500

I don't my books in front of me, but I believe it is as follows:

4 wires if I recall in a flat connector (not in any particular order)

1 wire: Park/Neutral
1 wire: Ground
1 wire: Left Backup
1 wire: Right Backup

I don't remember any brake wires...

Incidently, Wiring diagrams are available seperatly, I belive they are on
the FTE website available for purchase, but don't quote me on that.

Ken Schneider

68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
88 Crown Victoria 5.0/AOD


As I see from reading this groupís mail, shop manuals from Ford donít
usually include wiring diagrams. GeeeezeÖ I bought a set of shop manuals
ready to solve my problems. I have some mail order listings that I can try
to see if I can find one for my 1973 F100.

In the meantime, does anyone know if, and if it does, why it does, the left
side brake light wire runs through the neutral safety switch (mine does,,
scratching head).

Thanks to anyone for help.

Craig Sharp



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From: "craig sharp" <csharp29 home.com>
Subject: Re: 1973 F100 Wiring
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:43:16 -0500

Well... that would make sense. But I'm pretty sure that mine has a
black/brown wire going from the stop light socket to the connector inside
the engine compartment, from there to a loop in a two prong female connector
(looks like a factory loop) and from there into the flat connector. There
are two brown/black wires going to the neutral safety. Tomorrow evening I
will start tracing from the neutral safety.

This truck has an early model C6 transmission. The early model had the
backup light switch on the steering column in the engine compartment, I
believe. My 1973 is supposed to have it on the transmission. Since I have an
early C6 and a later F100, I don't have working backup lights. The lights
are in their own socket, however, and have a separate wire going to them. I
suppose that the circuits could have been 'converted'. My only problem is
that the right side brake light works but the left side doesn't. When I
trace the wire to the left side, it's definitely headed for that flat
connector and tests with continuity from the connector to the connector at
the socket. Sigh...

The FTE wiring diagrams go up to 1972, I think.

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Schneider
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:24 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 1973 F100 Wiring

I don't my books in front of me, but I believe it is as follows:

4 wires if I recall in a flat connector (not in any particular order)

1 wire: Park/Neutral
1 wire: Ground
1 wire: Left Backup
1 wire: Right Backup

I don't remember any brake wires...

Incidently, Wiring diagrams are available seperatly, I belive they are on
the FTE website available for purchase, but don't quote me on that.

....


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