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61-79-list Digest Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 347

In This Issue:
Cougar FE
Aluminum Rod ?
Re: Electrical problems.
Re: Pigeon Forge?
mercury in the oil pan?!
Re: Aluminum welding
Re: Aluminum welding
Tire size
Re: Tranny Cooler Location
Re: Illegal question about modular engines.....
Re: Electrical problems.
Looking for 351 info!!!
Re: Looking for 351 info!!!

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:29:34 -0800
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Cougar FE

>if that cougar is a factory big block car,itself is a rarity. if the Cougar
>is in any good shape at all  I would keep the whole car & restore it & find
>another motor for the truck.

If the Cougar is too far gone to restore I would save the heads.
They are most likely the heads that that have 16 exhast manifold bolt
holes and as I understand it were only used on Mustangs and Cougars.
These are the only heads stock Mustang/Cougar exhaust manifolds will
bolt to.
 If someone has a small block Mustang/Cougar and they want to do a
fatory looking swap to a FE,I'm sure they would pay a premium for them.
The extra bolt holes are not used in a truck application so why not
pick up a few bucks and help someone put a gm eatin' Mustang on the road
at the same time.

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From: "Desanto, Phillip" <pdesanto Cinergy.com>
Subject: Aluminum Rod ?
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:59:56 -0500

From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: aluminum welding
 Has anyone tried "welding"aluminum with a propane torch and aluminum
rods? I have seen a few guys selling kits
.........................................
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott, after years of skepticism, I finally had an occasion to try some. I
got mine from Northern Hydraulics for around $10. I had an old set of 289
"Shelby" aluminum valve covers that were both cracked & broken around one of
the bolt holes.
The stuff actually worked real well. After I ground the "weld" down and
bead blasted them, it looks very natural. Never had a problem with it
melting the parent metal either. It just went on kind of like solder.
Hope this helps, Phil ( 64 F-100 w 351 Cobra, all original, yea right :-)

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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:14:04 EST
Subject: Re: Electrical problems.


Check for a short in the wire from the alt to the voltage regulator.  Or one
of the four wires coming out of the regulator.



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:18:00 EST
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge?


Where can I get more info on this?  Sounds like it's worth checking out.



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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:33:27 -0500
From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: mercury in the oil pan?!

Hello,
I'm happy to report that the old 240 is now out of my Club Wagon. My buddy
Larry helped me pop it out, and it did pop. The only hitch was that the
engine got hung up on the starter relay, and before I noticed, the engine
popped loose from the relay and the crane arm jumped up another few inches,
giving a good whack to the roof. Now there is a dent, but it's just another
one of many that will have to be fixed when I get around to the bodywork.
:^p

I need to switch oil pans and I removed the one from the 240 and found what
honestly looks to be mercury droplets skimming over the remaining oil. Is
this possible? It exhibits all of the physical signs of mercury (it's
definitely not water), I'm just confused where it would have come from.

PS: If it is actually mercury, it's still contained, and I wear rubber
gloves when I work.
PSS: No Ford/Mercury jokes. :)

-don

Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA
FCA Keystone Chapter Internet Director
61 Falcon Futura, 66 Falcon Club Wagon and classic scooters



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From: "NP 540" <np540 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum welding
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:59:57



>
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:57:52 -0800
>From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: aluminum welding
>
>  Has anyone tried "welding"aluminum with a propane torch and aluminum
>rods?
>  I have seen a few guys selling kits with different rods,instructions
>etc.at swap meets and I even saw a infomecial for a kit.
>  It appears to be more like soldering,brazing or sweating than true
>welding.
>but it seemed to be a stromg bond.
>


Yea, I know what you mean, using propane torch and some kind of
"kinda-aluminum" rod. Saw a demonstration of that at a nearby
car-show here in New-Brunswick, Canada, last year.  Guy punched an aluminum
soda-can, and filled the hole with propane heat and that rod.
That stuff could also be drilled, tapped, and machined, as I recall
(or seems so..) The name of the stuff was "Ideal Rod", 1-888-721-0111
Don't remember if that was in the USA. As I recall, the guy said
that that stuff was only available from the inventor at above phone #.
How weird: I have been dragging that phone # on a piece of paper
inside my wallet for OVER A YEAR..... But never called there myself.
Glad to be of some help to this list!!

Gerry
M-block "disciple"
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1978 F-150 SuperCab 4x4
1979 F-150 regular cab 4x4
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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum welding
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:41:00 -0600

It is brazing, it is an alloy used to solder aluminum together with.
Aluminum will burn in open air when subjected to enough heat to weld it.
That is why with true aluminum welding you have to have an inert gas (one
that does not readily mix with oxygen) flowing over the surface during the
welding process (Mig welding)  Powdered aluminum is used in some
pyrotechnics (fireworks) because it burns so well.




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>
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:57:52 -0800
>From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: aluminum welding
>
>  Has anyone tried "welding"aluminum with a propane torch and aluminum
>rods?
>  I have seen a few guys selling kits with different rods,instructions
>etc.at swap meets and I even saw a infomecial for a kit.
>  It appears to be more like soldering,brazing or sweating than true
>welding.
>but it seemed to be a stromg bond.
>


Yea, I know what you mean, using propane torch and some kind of
"kinda-aluminum" rod. Saw a demonstration of that at a nearby
car-show here in New-Brunswick, Canada, last year.  Guy punched an aluminum
soda-can, and filled the hole with propane heat and that rod.
That stuff could also be drilled, tapped, and machined, as I recall
(or seems so..) The name of the stuff was "Ideal Rod", 1-888-721-0111
Don't remember if that was in the USA. As I recall, the guy said
that that stuff was only available from the inventor at above phone #.
How weird: I have been dragging that phone # on a piece of paper
inside my wallet for OVER A YEAR..... But never called there myself.
Glad to be of some help to this list!!

Gerry
M-block "disciple"
VIVE LE FORD
1978 F-150 SuperCab 4x4
1979 F-150 regular cab 4x4
The only Acadian here on this list so far?

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From: Fordman9901 webtv.net
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:37:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tire size

can  anyone  tell me what  the actual  height difference  is between a
stock tire and a  33 x 1250   16.5  is  on  a 77 F250 4x4 Highboy  i
don't know  what came on  the trucks from   factory   any help greatly
appreciated   Thanks Randy


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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Cooler Location
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:53:34 -0800


> Hi Folks,
>     I could use some input on my next project. I picked up a
> tranny filter,
> thermostat and cooler. The cooler comes with a plastic cord
> to attach to the
> rad, is this good or bad? Would a preferred method be a
> bracket mounting it
> just in front of the rad? Thanks for any help.
>
> Regards,
> John
> '77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's
>

IMHO the method of mounting a cooler to the rad with plastic cord (zip
ties?) through the core is not the best.  I think it would put a strain on
the core and cause a leak.  With a solid core it may last a while but
consider this, if your core is older and will need replacement soon how are
you going to remount the cooler after you cut the plastic mounting cord?

Tom H.

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 04:18:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Illegal question about modular engines.....

>
>Sorry to interrupt gang but my daughter's 97 with 4.2 V-6 died.  Does the timing
belt run in oil inside the front cover on these engines?

I've never seen a vehicle with a "belt" run in oil ... maybe its just my "limited"
experience, but it would seem counter-intuitive since oil generally eats away
rubber ...

Assuming you mean chain though, I think the 4.2 is just a punched out 3.8, and
therefore still subject to the same issues of a single cammed V motor ... and
its probably oiled in a splash style system.  The reason I say this is because
this has become a "popular" (its working on it anyway) swap for the V6 guys
to swap over to the 4.2L from the 3.8L in their Mustangs, hence my assumption
that they're really just bigger 3.8L's ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 04:23:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Electrical problems.

>Removed the old VR and determined that it had apparently sizzled.  Fuse
>was gone.  Installed the new regulator and alternator light did not come
>on but  within just a few seconds, the new voltage regulator started
>smoking.  I had turned off everything...lights, radio, wipers...no load
>at all.
>

I would double check those connections to be sure they're good and correct,
that is to say that they didn't move some of the terminals around on the voltage
regulator so that they hook up slightly differently.

Also once you let the magic smoke out I'm not sure I'd trust the "new" voltage
regulator anymore.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "PitStop Performance" <thepitstop hotmail.com>
Subject: Looking for 351 info!!!
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:58:00 -0600

Hello all,

Can someone please help me out. I currently have a 351M/C6 combo and I am
looking to build a little something different. I would like to go with a
351C/AOD.

Let me start by saying I don't care for the 351W. It is a fine enough engine
but, like I said, I am looking for something a little different.

Any, onto my question(s)... Does anyone make performance heads for this
engine? I would really like to find a set of aluminum heads, but I can't
seem to find any.

If I use iron heads are 2V heads better than 4V heads for a torque/street
engine? What about the Aussie 2V heads? Where can you even find them? Do
they require special intakes?

Also, what are the Yates engines? I have found some things on aluminum Yates
heads. From what I understand the Yates 351 is the same or similar engine
used in NASCAR engines. Are these based on a 351W block/heads or a 351C
block/heads?

Thanks.
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for 351 info!!!
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:28:55 -0500

I have found some things on aluminum Yates
> heads. From what I understand the Yates 351 is the same or similar engine
> used in NASCAR engines. Are these based on a 351W block/heads or a 351C
> block/heads?
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I dont know too much about the YATES heads BUT I have a friend who runs
stock car on asphalt tracks and he swears by them FORD just came out with a
351 Windsor stroker kit thats supposed to give you about 450 or more horse
for the Windsor engine to I think they are between 17 and 2500.00 though for
the complete setup
Gordon



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