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61-79-list Digest Thu, 23 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 346

In This Issue:
Re: T'giving
Re: T'giving
Fw: [EBE] Fw: Offroad Madness Thanksgiving Wish
aluminum welding
Re: Brakes
Re: Thanksgiving
Re: T'giving
Re: Fw: [EBE] Fw: Offroad Madness Thanksgiving Wish
Re: T'giving
Electrical problems.
Brake lines
Re: Pigeon Forge?
Flywheel FE
Re: T'giving
Timing belt
Re: T'giving
Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
Re: Yet another reason I drive old vehicles...
Re: Illegal question about modular engines.....
Re: aluminum welding
Re: DynoJet
Re: Flywheel FE
Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
Re: Timing belt
Re: aluminum welding
Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility

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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:43:24 EST
Subject: Re: T'giving

In a message dated 11/23/00 8:48:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:03:19 -0600


Happy Thanksgiving to All.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al. >>

Azie and all FTEers,

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Only 6 months 'til Pigeon Forge.

Glenn in TN  <----- we didn't vote for Gore - that should tell you something!
57 F100 -- in process

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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: T'giving
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:55:07 -0600

Thanks, you too to everyone. I'm going to try to have my '70 F250 done in
time for Pigeon Forge

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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:43 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: T'giving

In a message dated 11/23/00 8:48:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:03:19 -0600


Happy Thanksgiving to All.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al. >>

Azie and all FTEers,

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Only 6 months 'til Pigeon Forge.

Glenn in TN  <----- we didn't vote for Gore - that should tell you
something!
57 F100 -- in process
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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Fw: [EBE] Fw: Offroad Madness Thanksgiving Wish
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:16:15 -0800



>  As you are feasting on a wonderful meal this Thanksgiving,  imagine if
you
> will, you are only two inches tall traversing the Mini-Turkey Rubicon.  As
> you winch yourself over the Mashed potatoes, you eye up a deep gravy
> crossing, thankful for the new bendable straw snorkel, you ford through
the
> gravy with no problem, even the lumps are no match for your 0.33 Mud
tires.
> Soon you see Turkey Back, one of the most difficult parts,  crawling over
> the drumstick you carefully avoid the giblets (although you may go back
> later.)  Now all that money in gears and lockers are worth it. Over the
> breast you climb all the way to the wishbone! You made it! but going back
> is even tougher. You choose and alternate route taking the wing for an off
> camber thrill.  As you find yourself stuck in the stuffing, you pull out
> your trusty winch cable and bring yourself to the edge of the green been
> casserole. Remembering to tread lightly, you barely disturb the lush green
> vegetation pleasing the surrounding tree huggers.  Finding your way across
> the table, you climb the rock pile of buns, you occasionally loose
traction
> on the butter spills left behind by the carnage of less prepared and less
> skilled drivers. Suddenly snap! you too join the list of broken axles.
> Fortunately you find a toothpick and get yourself rolling again.  Sadly
you
> find that Pumpkin Pie is now closed due to Clinton land grabs so you head
> to the RTI Spatula to flex your suspension. Then you decide to skip
> cranberry
> hill and call it a day.
>
> Now that you have read this,  you will never look at a Thanksgiving Dinner
> the same way again.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:57:52 -0800
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: aluminum welding

Has anyone tried "welding"aluminum with a propane torch and aluminum
rods?
I have seen a few guys selling kits with different rods,instructions
etc.at swap meets and I even saw a infomecial for a kit.
It appears to be more like soldering,brazing or sweating than true
welding.
but it seemed to be a stromg bond.

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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:56:14 EST
Subject: Re: Brakes


Have to agree with you Azie,currently doing a D60 myself



Glenn  NY
78  F250



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:57:50 EST
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving


Same to you and yours


Glenn  NY

78  F250



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:03:42 EST
Subject: Re: T'giving


Don't mean to sound stupid but what and where is Pigeon Forge



Glenn in NY

78  F250



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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:12:17 EST
Subject: Re: Fw: [EBE] Fw: Offroad Madness Thanksgiving Wish


Defiantly can get a visual on that Jason.  Happy Thanksgiving to you and
yours.


Glenn in NY

78  F250



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From: "David Lindenmayer" <davidl tbcnet.com>
Subject: Re: T'giving
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:22:59 -0600

Don't   I thought the same thing last year everyone talked about Pigeon
Forge but did not say what it was.   Its the f100 Supernationals  I think in
end of may   in Tennessee I went last year first time   and will try to get
there this year   so no you don't sound stupid   if you want to see some
pics email me back off list

Don't mean to sound stupid but what and where is Pigeon Forge
>
>
>
> Glenn in NY
>
> 78  F250
>
>
> =============================================================
> .


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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:29:16 -0600
From: Jim Pitcock <jpit cei.net>
Subject: Electrical problems.

Was driving my '65 F-100 earlier this week when alternator light
suddenly came on.  Made it home and checked belt and made visual
inspection.  Everything seemed ok but light stayed on.

Then removed alternator and had it checked at NAPA.  Checked ok  at 15.4
voltage output.  So i purchased a new voltage regulator.

Removed the old VR and determined that it had apparently sizzled.  Fuse
was gone.  Installed the new regulator and alternator light did not come
on but  within just a few seconds, the new voltage regulator started
smoking.  I had turned off everything...lights, radio, wipers...no load
at all.

Went back to NAPA and purchased an alternator.  Installed it and VR
started smoking again within a few seconds.  What should I check next?

NEED HELP!




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From: "Montana Mark" <big78ford home.com>
Subject: Brake lines
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:13:12 -0700


Hi guys,
Well I took the old Ford out hunting last weekend, had allot of fun driving the snow covered mountain roads.  When I got home, I noticed that the inside of my front wheel was wet, brake fluid.  It's time to replace all the front brake hoses.  Who is a good supplier for stainless steel braided hoses?  I'd prefer to use them over rubber covered ones.
Thanks,
Montana Mark
1978 Ford F150 4x4  "The Great Pumpkin"
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.members.home.net/big78ford


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From: EffieFrd aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:59:41 EST
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge?

In a message dated 11/23/00 6:04:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Aeroape82 aol.com writes:

<< Don't mean to sound stupid but what and where is Pigeon Forge >>

Pigeon Forge, Tennessee.  Home of the F100 Supernationals.  Just THE largest
gathering of Ford trucks that you'll ever see.  :o)

-Melissa...who's been to the Supernats 4 times.  :o)

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Flywheel FE
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:56:31 -0600


Don G. writes:  >>Where there different flywheels for the FE series?<<

Not different circumferences, or least not to my knowledge.  There
are two(that I'm aware of) different starter rings, but these aren't usually
considered part of the flywheels..  One has more teeth than the other and
the seperation was in '65 I think(whenever the short snout starter was
introduced)..


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: T'giving
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:11:26 -0500

Don't mean to sound stupid but what and where is Pigeon Forge
Glenn in NY
==========================================================
it is just below Knoxville Tenn. just between Gatlinburg and Sevierville
Tenn.
it is the same place where DollyWood is that Dolly Parton owns at the
foothills of the Smokey Mtns
there are many tourists attractions there as well as the truck and auto
shows there anually
just about all the big name country singers have resturaunts and museums
there to IF you ever go there i Promise you will not be bored with things to
do thats for sure ,ive been there Many times over the last 49 years visiting
family there and it never been boring at all just be sure to take plenty of
money things are expensive tho
gordon





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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Timing belt
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:07:57 -0600


Gary writes:  >>Sorry to interrupt gang but my daughter's 97 with 4.2 V-6 died.  Does the timing belt run in oil inside the front cover on these engines?  <<

If it is "belt" it does not run in oil..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:04:07 EST
Subject: Re: T'giving

In a message dated 11/23/2000 6:04:39 PM EST, Aeroape82 AOL.COM writes:

<< Don't mean to sound stupid but what and where is Pigeon Forge >>

                    TENNESSEE

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:49:16 -0500

if that cougar is a factory big block car,itself is a rarity. if the Cougar
is in any good shape at all  I would keep the whole car & restore it & find
another motor for the truck.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 5:01 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility


>talking about all these wonderful motors.  I can get a 390 from a ol'
>mercury cougar.  for $50 bucks
>the block is in good shape and so is everything else.  he has the merc that
>it came from too and i can buy that for $150 or $200 for everything.  You
>think i should pick up the motor????
>
>-Don
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
>To: "Michael Kaczmar" <biertest-r excite.com>;
<61-79-list ford-trucks.com>;
><fordnatics mustangworks.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 3:41 PM
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
>
>
>> A "352" is an FE.  It is also a Y block because the block skirts
>> extend beyond the main bearing centerline.
>>
>> It is definitely  not compatible with a 351W (by the way it is
>> really a 352 as well 4.0 bore 3.5 stroke)
>>
>> You will need a 351 W bell housing and motor mounts from
>> a truck with a 302 and that should make the swap work.
>>
>> Of course you could stuff in a 390 and have a real nice ride!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> At 11:05 AM 11/20/00 -0800, Michael Kaczmar wrote:
>>
>> >Cross posted.
>> >
>> >I am looking at a 67 F-100 longbed. It has a 352 with 4-speed
top-loader,
>> >according to the owner. I was wondering if a 302/351W would bolt up to
>that
>> >top-loader wothout any hassle, or are the block-bellhousing patterns
>> >different.
>> >
>> >Also, is the 352 considered an FE or a Y block... or are these things
the
>> >same. I haven't even seen the truck yet, and do not have any idea how to
>> >identify a 352 in the first place....
>> >
>> >Michael Kaczmar
>> >Lost in compatibility contemplations......
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Yet another reason I drive old vehicles...
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:07:19 -0500

that was your first mistake- going to the  dealership for parts. the local
parts store could have got you out cheaper & got just as  good  qaulity of
parts.
-----Original Message-----
From: Southerland, Rich <rsouther alldata.com>
To: 'ford list' <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Yet another reason I drive old vehicles...


>Goin' to Grandmas house for the holiday.  She has a '99 Jeep Grand
Cherokee.
>Uses it for business and lives in the hills, so at 35K, it's time for
>brakes.  Just got back from a visit with my smiling Daimler/Chrysler
>counterperson and after plunking down $254.29, I walked (limped, really)
>away with TWO sets of brake pads.  That's it.  $250 just for pads.  Glad
>it's not me paying for it!
>
>FTE content: Drove my '77 E150 (which I could replace practically every
>brake component on the truck for that $250) to pick up the parts
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Illegal question about modular engines.....
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:20:44 -0500

I wouldn't think that the belt would run in the oil. Maybe the coolant leak
allowed it to get on the belt & made it  slip & jump a few teeth or strip
some of the  teeth off the belt.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <gpeters3 lni.net>
To: 61-79 list <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:54 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Illegal question about modular engines.....


>
>Sorry to interrupt gang but my daughter's 97 with 4.2 V-6 died.  Does the
timing belt run in oil inside the front cover on these engines?  It had a
serious coolant leak from a gasket in the front cover and I suspect this may
have allowed coolant into the oil but not sure how they go together (never
worked or even looked closely at the new ones)
>
>It's a real shame too with only 80k miles on it.  Using Mobil one she
should have got 200k out of it :-(
>
>Happily Semi-Retired,
>Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: aluminum welding
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:23:27 -0500

never had tried it but I have seen it done at swap meets also. seems to be a
strong hold.
-----Original Message-----
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>;
80-96-list ford-trucks.com <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>;
offroad-list ford-trucks.com <offroad-list ford-trucks.com>;
perf-list ford-trucks.com <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 23, 2000 4:09 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] aluminum welding


> Has anyone tried "welding"aluminum with a propane torch and aluminum
>rods?
> I have seen a few guys selling kits with different rods,instructions
>etc.at swap meets and I even saw a infomecial for a kit.
> It appears to be more like soldering,brazing or sweating than true
>welding.
>but it seemed to be a stromg bond.
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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: DynoJet
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:42:23 -0500

About 3 days ago on this list, there was mention of a "DynoJet"
engine simulator program as I recall. I have been doing searches on
the web for that thing, but to no avail. Anybody here know the
web site for that "DynoJet" program? Any demos available?

I don't know about DynoJet but I have the Dyno 2000 program and
I'm pleased with it. They have a site at www.motionsoftware.com
Hope this helps.
John
'77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's




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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:52:08 EST
Subject: Re: Flywheel FE

FE's like the 390, 360 and 352 are internally balanced. The 428's are
externally balanced at the flywheel with a counterweight.

Rollie H. Hunt

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:32:30 -0800
From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility

don,
what year is your cougar? if it is a pre-1970 i wouldn't advise it. where are
you located? i might buy the cat from you or your friend and bring it home.

Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:

> if that cougar is a factory big block car,itself is a rarity. if the Cougar
> is in any good shape at all  I would keep the whole car & restore it & find
> another motor for the truck.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 5:01 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
>
> >talking about all these wonderful motors.  I can get a 390 from a ol'
> >mercury cougar.  for $50 bucks
> >the block is in good shape and so is everything else.  he has the merc that
> >it came from too and i can buy that for $150 or $200 for everything.  You
> >think i should pick up the motor????
> >
> >-Don
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
> >To: "Michael Kaczmar" <biertest-r excite.com>;
> <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>;
> ><fordnatics mustangworks.com>
> >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 3:41 PM
> >Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
> >
> >
> >> A "352" is an FE.  It is also a Y block because the block skirts
> >> extend beyond the main bearing centerline.
> >>
> >> It is definitely  not compatible with a 351W (by the way it is
> >> really a 352 as well 4.0 bore 3.5 stroke)
> >>
> >> You will need a 351 W bell housing and motor mounts from
> >> a truck with a 302 and that should make the swap work.
> >>
> >> Of course you could stuff in a 390 and have a real nice ride!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 11:05 AM 11/20/00 -0800, Michael Kaczmar wrote:
> >>
> >> >Cross posted.
> >> >
> >> >I am looking at a 67 F-100 longbed. It has a 352 with 4-speed
> top-loader,
> >> >according to the owner. I was wondering if a 302/351W would bolt up to
> >that
> >> >top-loader wothout any hassle, or are the block-bellhousing patterns
> >> >different.
> >> >
> >> >Also, is the 352 considered an FE or a Y block... or are these things
> the
> >> >same. I haven't even seen the truck yet, and do not have any idea how to
> >> >identify a 352 in the first place....
> >> >
> >> >Michael Kaczmar
> >> >Lost in compatibility contemplations......
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Andrew Rolfsen
--------------
1962 Ford F100 Flare Side  Resto-mod 351c
1967 Plymouth Fury III   Forsale   318
1968 Mercury Cougar   hers   302
1978 Ford econoline 150  mine   351w



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From: "gpeters3" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Timing belt
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:20:15 -0500

That would be my guess too but My Soninlaw is not mechanically inclined at
all and they could have told him the muffler bearing was damaged and he
wouldn't know they were pulling his leg so I thought I'd ask.  The dealer
that damaged it said the engine oil pump failed to operate when he put the
transmission in drive......

Turns out that he checked the oil immediately after it stopped and it was
dry as toast.  I think the mechanic forgot to put oil back in it when they
repaired the timing cover.  (They claimed they changed the oil)  If this
engine has the same intake manifold as the 4.6 it could have been the
manifold (a plastic thing with a thin spot in the water jacket which is the
subject of a tech bulletin), not the timing cover, in which case it will let
coolant in for sure.  A friend had this happen to a fairly new Grand Marquis
and it trashed the engine but again, when he drove it in it ran fine but was
over heating and leaking coolant, same issue as the truck.  When he got it
back it ran very poorly and they had replaced the intake.  They claimed the
over heating warped the heads and they couldn't get the mainfold to fit but
when he took it to another dealer they told him it was completely hopeless.
Again Willie is not a mechanic so had to accept some of what they said but
he's a lot more into it than Jason (soninlaw).

Goes to show you that the only person you can really trust to work on our
vehicles is us, ourselves.  We make mistakes but at least we don't lie to
ourselves about it :-)

If you guys tell me the new modular engines actually do have muffler
bearings I'm going to scream....:-) (wouldn't surprise me in the
least...timing belts, plastic intakes, Engine oil pumps driven by the
transmission...but only in drive.... :-))

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Gary writes:  >>Sorry to interrupt gang but my daughter's 97
>with 4.2 V-6 died.  Does the timing belt run in oil inside the
>front cover on these engines?  <<
>
>If it is "belt" it does not run in oil..
>
>Azie Magnusson
>Ardmore, Al.


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From: "gpeters3" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: aluminum welding
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:27:02 -0500

The problem with welding aluminum is that it melts at a very low temp so if
you get it too hot is sags and runs like solder.  You have to have some
skill with a torch to have any success with this.  Aluminum also carries the
heat away so fast that you have to have a very highly concentrated flame and
a good eye for the puddle.  If you are not skilled what will happen is you
will look for a puddle which has skimmed over like solder does but won't see
it and suddenly the whole dang thing falls through.....BUMMER!!

You have to keep poking the puddle area with the rod to test it or it will
get away from you.

I did see a very interesting torch at the truck show which I would like to
have myself and it has the right kind of concentrated flame but still
requires some skill and understanding of how aluminum works.  I saved a
flyer from them and will get it out some day when I have some cash and get
my honey do list under control :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> Has anyone tried "welding"aluminum with a propane torch and aluminum
>rods?
> I have seen a few guys selling kits with different rods,instructions
>etc.at swap meets and I even saw a infomecial for a kit.


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From: thurlow <don.thurlow mail1.greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:26:15 -0600 (CST)

i don't know what year it is yet.. i'll find out tomorrow..
all i know it's gota 390 and the frame is in good shape..

-don
>
> don,
> what year is your cougar? if it is a pre-1970 i wouldn't advise it. where are
> you located? i might buy the cat from you or your friend and bring it home.
>
> Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:
>
> > if that cougar is a factory big block car,itself is a rarity. if the Cougar
> > is in any good shape at all  I would keep the whole car & restore it & find
> > another motor for the truck.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> > Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 5:01 PM
> > Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
> >
> > >talking about all these wonderful motors.  I can get a 390 from a ol'
> > >mercury cougar.  for $50 bucks
> > >the block is in good shape and so is everything else.  he has the merc that
> > >it came from too and i can buy that for $150 or $200 for everything.  You
> > >think i should pick up the motor????
> > >
> > >-Don
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
> > >To: "Michael Kaczmar" <biertest-r excite.com>;
> > <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>;
> > ><fordnatics mustangworks.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 3:41 PM
> > >Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
> > >
> > >
> > >> A "352" is an FE.  It is also a Y block because the block skirts
> > >> extend beyond the main bearing centerline.
> > >>
> > >> It is definitely  not compatible with a 351W (by the way it is
> > >> really a 352 as well 4.0 bore 3.5 stroke)
> > >>
> > >> You will need a 351 W bell housing and motor mounts from
> > >> a truck with a 302 and that should make the swap work.
> > >>
> > >> Of course you could stuff in a 390 and have a real nice ride!!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 11:05 AM 11/20/00 -0800, Michael Kaczmar wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Cross posted.
> > >> >
> > >> >I am looking at a 67 F-100 longbed. It has a 352 with 4-speed
> > top-loader,
> > >> >according to the owner. I was wondering if a 302/351W would bolt up to
> > >that
> > >> >top-loader wothout any hassle, or are the block-bellhousing patterns
> > >> >different.
> > >> >
> > >> >Also, is the 352 considered an FE or a Y block... or are these things
> > the
> > >> >same. I haven't even seen the truck yet, and do not have any idea how to
> > >> >identify a 352 in the first place....
> > >> >
> > >> >Michael Kaczmar
> > >> >Lost in compatibility contemplations......
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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From: thurlow <don.thurlow mail1.greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:26:50 -0600 (CST)

maybe i'll find out all the info about it tomorrow
:)

-Don
>
> if that cougar is a factory big block car,itself is a rarity. if the Cougar
> is in any good shape at all  I would keep the whole car & restore it & find
> another motor for the truck.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Thurlow <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 5:01 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
>
>
> >talking about all these wonderful motors.  I can get a 390 from a ol'
> >mercury cougar.  for $50 bucks
> >the block is in good shape and so is everything else.  he has the merc that
> >it came from too and i can buy that for $150 or $200 for everything.  You
> >think i should pick up the motor????
> >
> >-Don
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
> >To: "Michael Kaczmar" <biertest-r excite.com>;
> <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>;
> ><fordnatics mustangworks.com>
> >Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 3:41 PM
> >Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [Fordnatics] 352 vs 351W compatibility
> >
> >
> >> A "352" is an FE.  It is also a Y block because the block skirts
> >> extend beyond the main bearing centerline.
> >>
> >> It is definitely  not compatible with a 351W (by the way it is
> >> really a 352 as well 4.0 bore 3.5 stroke)
> >>
> >> You will need a 351 W bell housing and motor mounts from
> >> a truck with a 302 and that should make the swap work.
> >>
> >> Of course you could stuff in a 390 and have a real nice ride!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 11:05 AM 11/20/00 -0800, Michael Kaczmar wrote:
> >>
> >> >Cross posted.
> >> >
> >> >I am looking at a 67 F-100 longbed. It has a 352 with 4-speed
> top-loader,
> >> >according to the owner. I was wondering if a 302/351W would bolt up to
> >that
> >> >top-loader wothout any hassle, or are the block-bellhousing patterns
> >> >different.
> >> >
> >> >Also, is the 352 considered an FE or a Y block... or are these things
> the
> >> >same. I haven't even seen the truck yet, and do not have any idea how to
> >> >identify a 352 in the first place....
> >> >
> >> >Michael Kaczmar
> >> >Lost in compatibility contemplations......
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >frozen)           |
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