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61-79-list Digest Sun, 19 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 340

In This Issue:
need long block 460. What year is best?
Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Re: temp sensor question
Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Now that I have your attention :)
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Re: D 60
Re: Another FORD At My House
Re: Now that I have your attention :)
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Re: need long block 460. What year is best?
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Fwd: FE Pulleys
Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Re: Another 460 Debate :-)
PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Re: Now that I have your attention :)
Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Re: Fwd: FE Pulleys
Re: D 60
Re: Another 460 Debate :-)

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From: Critterwoods aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:05:33 EST
Subject: need long block 460. What year is best?


Dear Friends,
  I am in a bind and need a new long block 460. What year is the best one to
order. I need it to run on cheap gas. Thanks for any info on this. It is
going in my 78 4x4.



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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:06:55 -0600

Dan, if your sungle pulley/balancer combo has the correct bolt pattern,
chase the threads with a tap to clean them, and try the big pulleys on to
check for the proper alignment. If your current pulley/balancer doesn't have
the bolt holes, you'll have to switch to the thicker balancer. If you switch
to the thicker balancer, you might also have to get the proper spacer for
the alternator. I think it will have to be thicker. As a matter of fact, why
not just grab the water pump pulley, so you have a matching set? Good luck!
Jason Kendrick


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From: "John Watson" <johnw illawarramercury.com>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:54:05 +1100

So basically, is it safe to run with the hubs always locked (although you
are in 2wd), noting that there will be a negligible amount of wear to the
front diff and a minor increase in fuel consumption ??



John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:50 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Hubs locked? was D 60


> If you analyze the mechanics involved you will see that there is, indeed,
a
> torque multiplication involved....."Because" of this lack of
differentiation
> you speak of.  A bronco with 104" wheel base can develop up to 1.44:1
ratio
> between the front and rear axles in a full lock turn.  This ratio causes
> what we loosely call "Axle wrap" or, more correctly, "Driveshaft Wrap".
> Once the slack has been taken out of the drive train the 1 side of the
ratio
> drives the 1.44 side until tires begin to slip.  How much torque does it
> take to make tires slip?  A great deal more than it takes to drive the
> vehicle down the road at speed with all axles free to rotate.  The problem
> with this phenomenon is that once the pressure is applied, it stays there
> until you take it out of 4wd or hit a slippery spot that allows the wheels
> to relax.
>
> If you think the pressure is insignificant, back your 5000# bronco up at
> full lock on pavement for just a few inches, no more than a foot and then
> try to get it out of 4wd without breaking the shifter.  If you want a
> classic example try backing up in a military truck with sprague clutches
in
> the drive line and then just take off in second gear and see how far you
get
> before your arm is broken by the steering wheel.  These are HUGE forces,
not
> just your normal wear and tear and if you continue to drive at speed with
> these pressures on your drive line the parts will definitely wear MUCH
> faster, especially the poor transfer case that really has to deal with the
> greatest torqe factor.
>
> In our "relatively" light vehicles the tires "can" spin so we don't see
the
> huge effects this has on the drive line like you do in heavy trucks that
are
> so heavy the tires simply can't break loose on pavement so the "wrap"
builds
> to much higher values.  If you have a chain drive xfer case you will scrap
> the chain pretty fast running full time on pavment with a part time xfer
> case that does not have the differentiation of the 203's etc..
>
> Happily Semi-Retired,
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
>
> > > One thing you don't want to do is run in 4w with them locked on
pavement
> > > because it multiplies the torque load on the gears
> >
> > The reason you don't want to run 4wd on the pavement is there is no
> > differential between the front and the rear which causes drivetrain
> binding.
> > It does not multiply any of the torque to the gears
>
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:12:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Sullivan <trendsetter4life yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60

It is fine just know your draggin more and using more gas.  In the winter I run mine
locked cause i go down back roads and need it and then on the highway i dont.  But
in the summer i leavem unlocked unlessi know I am going to go play some were

chris

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From: "Shelley Batty" <shelba molalla.net>
Subject: Re: temp sensor question
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:28:48 -0800

Well, I'll have to check that out.  good thing I got busy with other stuff
today.

Thom Batty
66 F250 Utility

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Marino
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 12:41 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: temp sensor question


HOLD UP!!!

The factory location or a temp unit is on the absolute backside of your
head between the back of the motor and the firewall-- I've installed every
kind of Autometer gauge known to man on my '300, and that's the one I used
because the split manifolds covered the other one.   Depending on what kind
of guage you are buying, you can't use a mechanical sending unit on some
because the temp pobe is too long and will hit the cyl wall.   If you are
using an electrical sender, you'll be fine.  But don't take that plug out
before you check the rear of the head.  8-)

Tony





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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:12:47 -0600

Yeah, I did pull the water pump pulley too.  It looks like everything will
line up although I might need to change the spacer on the fan, too long with
the new pulley.

The pulley on the crank has the correct holes but the new pulley won't fit
over.

The alternator is as far forward (toward the front of the truck) as the
bracket will allow.  Can I add a spacer behind the alternator pulley itself?

I can't thank you enough for your prompt reply.  I really appreciate it.

Thanks again,
Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: Jason and Kathy <kendrick mddc.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 9:06 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP


> Dan, if your sungle pulley/balancer combo has the correct bolt pattern,
> chase the threads with a tap to clean them, and try the big pulleys on to
> check for the proper alignment. If your current pulley/balancer doesn't
have
> the bolt holes, you'll have to switch to the thicker balancer. If you
switch
> to the thicker balancer, you might also have to get the proper spacer for
> the alternator. I think it will have to be thicker. As a matter of fact,
why
> not just grab the water pump pulley, so you have a matching set? Good
luck!
> Jason Kendrick
>
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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Now that I have your attention :)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:23:25 -0600

I just got a few really good answers to an earlier question so I thought I
would ask another :)

Power brakes on my truck....I have plans for a disk brake setup but I was
wondering if there was a good way or a good donor to look for for assited
braking.  I have a 67 F-100.  Has anyone done this?  I would appreciate
anything you could share.

Thanks Guys
Dan (loving this list)


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:43:18 -0800



> A bronco with 104" wheel base can develop up to 1.44:1 ratio
> between the front and rear axles in a full lock turn.  This ratio causes
> what we loosely call "Axle wrap" or, more correctly, "Driveshaft Wrap".
It doesn't matter whether the wheelbase is 79" or 179" (assuming identical
gearing, tires, and traction), the bind would still be the same.

> Once the slack has been taken out of the drive train the 1 side of the
ratio
> drives the 1.44 side until tires begin to slip.  How much torque does it
> take to make tires slip?  A great deal more than it takes to drive the
> vehicle down the road at speed with all axles free to rotate.
So what you are saying is that it takes more torque to slip the tires and
move the vehicle?  That doesn't mean that the torque is multiplied.  Just
the input torque is raised (by the engine).   The same thing occurs when
climbing an obstacle while rockcrawling.  For example I have 300 lb/ft
available and a 100:1 crawl ratio.  If I'm not at the peak torque to crawl
up an incline, I add throttle input until the peak torque RPM.  I haven't
changed my crawl ratio, just raised the input torque from the motor.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"




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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: D 60
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:45:30 -0800

I'd like to see it.  A decent picture directly behind showing the cover
would be great.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Marino" <redneck raex.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 12:32 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: D 60


> Well, I can get a picture of my buddies' 2000 F-350 4x4 that is a dana-60
> this coming weekend-- Maybe they just started doing only 10.25's
> recently?   I'm not quite as blind as "old man" Stu when it comes to
> correctly spotting axles.. hehehe
>
> Tony Marino
> redneck raex.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ceoweb.mts.kent.edu/~mustang/trucks.html
>
> Jason and Tony,
>
> >I went out this afternoon and checked the rear axle tag - you are
correct,
> >it is a 10.25
> >and NOT a Dana 60.  8^(  There is a hand written "60" on the front of the
> >case which I noticed
> >while it was on the rack for servicing (normally I do my own oil changes
> >but for my
> >service, I took it to a local shop).
> >
> >The tag says: 3.73  10 2 0c10
> >
> >I would say it is a 10.25 and not a 60 as originally thought.  Those 60s
> >and 10.25's sure do look a whole lot alike though.
> >
> >Marino no longer gets to have axle envy!  8^(
> >
> >Stu
> >Nuke GM!
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm  (for sale!!!)
>
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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Another FORD At My House
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:51:19 -0800



> I'll just say this and leave it at that......there is no way possible to
> gain the performance you get with a stock 460 any cheaper than by bolting
> one in.   To bring any other engine up to that torque potential would cost
> easily as much as a rebuilt 460 and then you would be working it to death
> where the 460 just does it naturally :-)

I hope your talking about the 385 series in general and not just the 460.
There is not much difference in torque between the 429 and the 460.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Now that I have your attention :)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:36:40 -0600


Daniel Beiers wrote:

>
> Power brakes on my truck....I have plans for a disk brake setup but I was
> wondering if there was a good way or a good donor to look for for assited
> braking. I have a 67 F-100.

There's an atricle in the tech section that covers this very conversion.
It's very well written and is easy to follow.

 Can I add a spacer behind the alternator pulley itself?

Not behind the pulley itself. Give me till tomorrow to answer this one.
Jason Kendrick


.




> Thanks Guys
> Dan (loving this list)
>
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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:10:14 -0800

The point is that you don't want to drive down the highway at 70 mph with
300#  torque on the transfer case gears and the disparity between the axles
does produce some mechanical advantage in addition to the torque the engine
produces.  It actually uses the other axle to "Drive" through the transfer
case to build more pressure on the system than is normal.  Again, this only
can happen when you have perfect traction and no tires are slipping such as
when on dry pavement at speed.

You can see the result to some degree in a parking lot when you attempt to
turn into a parking space while locked in and pavement is dry.  Every couple
of turns of the wheel causes the tires to break loose with some very
noticeable steering input and shaking of the whole vehicle.  With a 203 case
or other full time case this doesn't happen.

For rock crawling we expect this on an intermittant basis for short
durations at very slow speeds.  Because they are short durations and at low
speeds there is less heat produced.  On the highway the added pressure will
produce enough friction to cause premature wear and the extra heat produced
will undoubtedly damage the oil and bearings over time, further adding to
the problem.  You don't need to take my word for it, ask any reputable gear
head.

The torque I am talking about is not related to the crawl ratio or any other
gear ratio, it is developed by the disparity between the axles in a turn.
The ratio in a bronco is 1.44.  Where there is a ratio there is a
multiplication.......The engine torque on the system is multiplied by the
difference between the axles.  In this case an additional .44 is added to
any mechanical advantage in the system but against itself up to the point
where a tire slips and releases the pressure.  The better the traction the
higher the torque can be multiplied before they slip, up to a .44 advantage.
On a duece the tires can't slip so something else gives,  your arms.  I've
personally experienced this and it's pretty scary, especially when you are
close to an obsticle and the truck is still moving but with no
steerage.......and it definitely can break your arm or wrist, easily.  It's
hard to describe just how violent this phenomenon is.  It's serious enough
that the military goes to great lengths to teach drivers how to avoid it and
there is a warning sticker in the cab which explains how to avoid it as
well.

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> So what you are saying is that it takes more torque to slip the tires and
> move the vehicle?  That doesn't mean that the torque is multiplied.  Just
> the input torque is raised (by the engine).   The same thing occurs when
> climbing an obstacle while rockcrawling.  For example I have 300 lb/ft
> available and a 100:1 crawl ratio.  If I'm not at the peak torque to crawl
> up an incline, I add throttle input until the peak torque RPM.  I haven't
> changed my crawl ratio, just raised the input torque from the motor.



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:22:45 -0800

In 2wd this is true.  Some vehicles don't seem to use a whole lot more gas
but others seem to be very dramaticly affected.  For reasons already
mentioned it can be said that it is actually "better" to keep them locked in
2wd.  The lube effect of running the moving parts actually overcomes the
wear factor most of the time.

I would venture to guess that most of us don't think about the rust on the
seal surfaces of a dana 44 front end so don't lock the hubs on a weekly
basis but I'm sure that would help quite a bit to reduce the rusting both
there and in the ujoints which tend to dry out if they are not moved.  If
you want to be lazy, at low speeds,  you can just flop it into 4wd for a few
minutes to move the axles around and redistribute the oil around the seals
but don't do this for long distances or at any speed or you will destroy the
spider gears and pins in the diff.

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> So basically, is it safe to run with the hubs always locked (although you
> are in 2wd), noting that there will be a negligible amount of wear to the
> front diff and a minor increase in fuel consumption ??



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: need long block 460. What year is best?
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:28:47 -0800

I would venture to guess that you will not get a 68-71 due to the heads
being is such high demand.  Chances are any long block you get will have
later heads on it so it won't be much of an issue.  I'm running the higher
compression, 70 vintage on garbage gas with never a peep and most will tell
you this is a trait of the 460 design.

Let us know if your supplier actually allows you to pick a year.  I would
venture to guess the only distinction they may make is pre or post 79 where
the balance changed.

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Dear Friends,
>    I am in a bind and need a new long block 460. What year is the best one
to
> order. I need it to run on cheap gas. Thanks for any info on this. It is
> going in my 78 4x4.



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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:19:04 -0500

Gary,

Reading your posts are like reading a page out of a book.

(A book that should be on Oprahs book of the month list!)..not that I watch
oprah or anything..

-bob-
79 Bronco 460 44's 4spd
79 Bronco 400 40's C6



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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:21:02 EST
Subject: Fwd: FE Pulleys


I have had to get another set of pulleys for the 428 in my 76 to match
better. The old set has the wrong pulleys on the harmonic balancer and caused
some draging of the belts.

The new water pump pulley has three grooves for three belts as does the new
crankshaft pulley. The new pulley for the crankshaft is all one piece and
detaches from the balancer. New balancer has no groove machined into it or
pressed onto it in any way. It is a single piece when everything is unbolted
from it (except for the outer ring with rubber between it and the middle
part).

I need two grooves on the water pump pulley to run the power steering and
the alt properly. I can see where the crank pulley is for AC if used. Any
ideas what the third groove on the waterpump pulley is for?

Thanks in advance

Rollie


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I have had to get another set of pulleys for the 428 in my 76 to match
better. The old set has the wrong pulleys on the harmonic balancer and caused
some draging of the belts.

The new water pump pulley has three grooves for three belts as does the new
crankshaft pulley. The new pulley for the crankshaft is all one piece and
detaches from the balancer. New balancer has no groove machined into it or
pressed onto it in any way. It is a single piece when everything is unbolted
from it (except for the outer ring with rubber between it and the middle
part).

I need two grooves on the water pump pulley to run the power steering and the
alt properly. I can see where the crank pulley is for AC if used. Any ideas
what the third groove on the waterpump pulley is for?

Thanks in advance

Rollie



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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:45:35 EST
Subject: Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP

In a message dated 11/19/2000 4:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dbeiers rmpprestress.com writes:

<<  It appears I need to use
the balancer from this truck in order to bolt the crank pulley on.  Will
this work? and will my motor still be balanced (assuming it is right now:)?
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate any help you can give me... >>

The flywheel is where the balance is done on these FE's. 390's are Zero
Balance (internally balanced) and 428's use Detroit Balance (counterweight on
flywheel). The front balancer on the crankshaft does not really balance your
engine. It is a zero balanced weight. Meaning that it has no heavy or light
side to it. I have one from a 428 and one from a 390 and both are zero
balance. Spinning these will be like spinning a balanced wheel on a car. As
far as one weighing more than another, I have no idea. Probably wouldn't
matter much in an ordinary use truck, but may for high performance use.

Hope this helps.

Rollie H. Hunt

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:16:29 -0800

I don't like to leave anything to chance......except the spelling of course
:-)

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Gary,
>
> Reading your posts are like reading a page out of a book.
>
> (A book that should be on Oprahs book of the month list!)..not


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Another 460 Debate :-)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:27:44 -0800

I would venture to guess that at 1700 rpm there is a significant difference.
Due to camming the difference diminishes at higher rpms......unless, of
course you have added a roller cam to the 460 along with a new manifold and
Rochester carb and........

But you are right, they are both awesome -)  BTW, which came first the
chick......I mean the 429 or 460?  As I recall the first one was the 429
around 68 ?  Doesn't really matter of course since the 460 is
Ki............:-)  (and the good 429 heads fit just fine :-))  BTW, before I
knew their value or that they fit the 460 I tossed a perfectly good set of
70 heads, BUMMER! :-(

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I hope your talking about the 385 series in general and not just the 460.
> There is not much difference in torque between the 429 and the 460.



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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:54:57 -0600
From: John Strauss <jstrauss inetport.com>
Subject: PLEASE PLEASE HELP

>So I am trying to put power steering on my 67 f-100.  I got a crank pulley
>off of a 74 or 75 f-250 w/ a 390.  Problem is my 390 has a single groove
>pulley bolted to the end of the crank with no balance weight.  The donor
>vehicle has your typical harmonic balancer on it.  It appears I need to use
>the balancer from this truck in order to bolt the crank pulley on.  Will
>this work? and will my motor still be balanced (assuming it is right now:)?
>Thanks a lot, I really appreciate any help you can give me...
>
>
When I converted my '68 360, I kept the balancer.  It had an add-on pulley
with one groove (which gave me a total of 2) for the a/c, I replaced it
with an add-on with 2 grooves from a truck with factory air and ps.
  _
_| ~~.  John Strauss
\, *_}  jstrauss inetport.com
  \(    Texas Fight!


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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: Now that I have your attention :)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:43:45 -0700

I can't find the article....I found one about converting to disks but the
bower brake setup is omitted,.  Am I just dumb or missing it or both :)


Thanks

Dan

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To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Now that I have your attention :)



Daniel Beiers wrote:

>
> Power brakes on my truck....I have plans for a disk brake setup but I was
> wondering if there was a good way or a good donor to look for for assited
> braking. I have a 67 F-100.

There's an atricle in the tech section that covers this very conversion.
It's very well written and is easy to follow.

 Can I add a spacer behind the alternator pulley itself?

Not behind the pulley itself. Give me till tomorrow to answer this one.
Jason Kendrick


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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE PLEASE HELP
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:38:01 -0700

Thanks John

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>So I am trying to put power steering on my 67 f-100.  I got a crank pulley
>off of a 74 or 75 f-250 w/ a 390.  Problem is my 390 has a single groove
>pulley bolted to the end of the crank with no balance weight.  The donor
>vehicle has your typical harmonic balancer on it.  It appears I need to use
>the balancer from this truck in order to bolt the crank pulley on.  Will
>this work? and will my motor still be balanced (assuming it is right now:)?
>Thanks a lot, I really appreciate any help you can give me...
>
>
When I converted my '68 360, I kept the balancer.  It had an add-on pulley
with one groove (which gave me a total of 2) for the a/c, I replaced it
with an add-on with 2 grooves from a truck with factory air and ps.
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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: FE Pulleys
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:36:29 -0700

I just took apart a 74 or 75 for these pulleys.  It had PS and AC.  It also
has 3 groove pulleys like you mention here.  The AC belt went around the
crank pulley AND the water pump pulley.  So both would need three grooves.
Hope that helps.

Dan


I need two grooves on the water pump pulley to run the power steering and
the
alt properly. I can see where the crank pulley is for AC if used. Any ideas
what the third groove on the waterpump pulley is for?

Thanks in advance

Rollie


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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: D 60
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:49:13 -0800

Don't the excursions have 10.25 rears--with disks too.  I think the 250/350
superdutys have D50 fronts as well.  Anyone have the specs on the D50 front?
How strong is it compared to the HP D60 ?

Josh

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> >>Well Tony babe, my 2000 Excursion has a D 60, na na nana na na!
;^P~~~~~
> >>Guess you have a little axle envy?  eh?

I know excusrions only have D50 fronts, but they only have D60 rears
too. How wimpy :-)
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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Another 460 Debate :-)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:50:11 -0800

I beleive the 460 came out in 68, the 429 came out much earlier.

Josh

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I would venture to guess that at 1700 rpm there is a significant difference.
Due to camming the difference diminishes at higher rpms......unless, of
course you have added a roller cam to the 460 along with a new manifold and
Rochester carb and........

But you are right, they are both awesome -)  BTW, which came first the
chick......I mean the 429 or 460?  As I recall the first one was the 429
around 68 ?  Doesn't really matter of course since the 460 is
Ki............:-)  (and the good 429 heads fit just fine :-))  BTW, before I ....


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