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61-79-list Digest Fri, 17 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 338

In This Issue:
Re: Engine Assembly Problems- Advice?
Main bng clearences
Re: Main bng clearences
was Main bng clearences... now oil pressure questions
Re: Cataloug for 61-79 parts needed...
Re: somewhat off topic, but still Ford truck rel
Re: re-upholstery kits
Re: D 60
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Another FORD At My House
Re: 1963 wipers
ADMIN: Tragic loss
Re: ADMIN: Tragic loss
Re: Wanted: Kickdown lever measurements
Dana axles seal surface
Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
temp sensor question
Re: D 60
Re: It's a boy!
Re: Cataloug for 61-79 parts needed...
ford truck moment

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:36:25 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Assembly Problems- Advice?



Andersons wrote:

> <snip>
> I guess I'm going to pick up some fresh Plastigage and borrow a c-clamp
> micrometer tomorrow.  I'd appreciate any other suggestions or things to
> check.  What's the deal with the 45 ft-lbs main bearing torque- is this
> right?
>

My Ford '77 truck shop manual calls for  35-45 ft lbs on the mains for the 351M
and 400.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Main bng clearences
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:50:07 -0600


BobA. rites:  >>What's the deal with the 45 ft-lbs main bearing torque- is this
right?<<

No!!  I would think the 95-105 is correct..
I'd rather have a bit more clearance than too little..  I ran and FE for years with
.0025 on mains and .002 on the rods.  After it had 70,000 or so miles on it it
would have slight main knock when you 1st cranked it after it sat overnight or
longer.. Oil pressure was always low, but that is to be expected with that kind
of clearances..By low, I mean in the 15# range hot idleing and 45# max after it
got warmed up(street hot) from 2500 to 4500 or so.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Main bng clearences
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:58:33 -0600

I wish...
I get about 5psi idling hot, and about 25 to 30 psi hot at 2500 rpm. higher
rpm gives no increase in psi.
Jason


By low, I mean in the 15# range hot idleing and 45# max after it
> got warmed up(street hot) from 2500 to 4500 or so.
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.



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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: was Main bng clearences... now oil pressure questions
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:23:15 -0600


Can you have too much oil pressure? On cold startup I get about 80 pounds of oil pressure at idle. After it warms up, I get about 30-40 at idle and 60-70 when at 4 grand or so. This is with Mobil 1 5W30 oil. I also have dual remote mount oil filters. Does that sound like a healthy range for a 390?

Oh, that leads me to another question... I did not put in a hardened oil pump driveshaft when I rebuilt my 390, because my machine shop could not find one for me. I now know that Summit Racing and others sell them. The engine is out of the truck now, is it worth pulling the pan and putting in a hardened shaft?

Garrett www.1966ford.com




 ----- Original Message -----
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 Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:58 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Main bng clearences


 I wish...
 I get about 5psi idling hot, and about 25 to 30 psi hot at 2500 rpm. higher
 rpm gives no increase in psi.
 Jason


 By low, I mean in the 15# range hot idleing and 45# max after it
 > got warmed up(street hot) from 2500 to 4500 or so.
 >
 > Azie Magnusson
 > Ardmore, Al.




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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Cataloug for 61-79 parts needed...
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:28:56 -0600


www.dennis-carpenter.com
www.lmctruck.com
www.autokrafters.com

That covers most of them, I think I links to a few others on my webpage.


Garrett www.1966ford.com





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 Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:19 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Cataloug for 61-79 parts needed...


 Does anyone know of a company that specalizes in parts for these beasts?

 Karl




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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: somewhat off topic, but still Ford truck rel
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 05:27:51 -0800

Gary writes:
>
> Any 4x4 is a good winter vehicle if you learn how to drive it
> and put tires
> with bumps on it :-)  I personally am very partial to LS both
> ends but at
<snip>

Wouldn't a LS on the front make the truck harder to handle in loose stuff?
I'm thinking about turning on slippery surfaces (ice, sand etc).  Since LS
would try to force both wheels to turn at the same speed it seems the truck
would have a tendency to plow straight when trying to turn.  Just a thought
experiment. ;-)

Tom H

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:59:01 -0500
From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: Re: re-upholstery kits

Richard Larsen  <richlars burgoyne.com> said:
>Thanks, Don.  I have often wondered if that would work, but thought that
>there might be a special foam especially for upholstery.  I'll have to give
>it a try.

>> Rich, I haven't checked for whote kits, but I do know that you can buy
>> large sheets or blocks from good fabric stores. In Philadelphia, we have
>> what's called "Fabric Row" and I've been to shops that have this foam.
>They
>> use it for reupolstering chairs and couches. If you were resourceful and
>> wanted to do it all yourself, you could go this route. I made a custom
>seat
>> cover for one of my scooters and reshaped the foam using this repacement
>> foam. Perhaps you can find it locally or someone can order it for you. I'm
>> sure this would be comparatvely cheap and would work well.


Rich, I remembered that I have the book "Automotive Upolstery Handbook",
which I got from a discount book store for $4. I got it after I made the
seat cover and learned all the little mistakes I made. :)  I checked about
recovering a basic bench seat, and the author recommends using the old
ripped seat padding, but stuffing all of the cracks with cotton batting.
This is basically a soft fluffy thick sheet of cotton. Then lay a full
sheet of it over the entire pad. This smooths everything out, gives volume,
and adds a comfortable top. The project seat was a truck bench seat for a
"big" guy, so he also stuffed the *underside* of the seat with foam strips,
and wrapped the spring coild with cotton batting to make the springs quiet.
Hope this info is helpful.

You might also want to check an auto upolsterer in your area to see how
much a new seat cover would cost. I know that some people have gotten great
deals on brand new custom stitched seats, and this would allow you to pick
the color and style of the cover. Good luck.

-don

Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA
FCA Keystone Chapter Internet Director
61 Falcon Futura, 66 Falcon Club Wagon and classic scooters



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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: D 60
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:25:47 -0800

I'd be interested in seeing pictures of the Excursions rearend.  Everything
that I have seen and read about have 10.25" in the rear and a 50 in the
front.  I have a friend that works at a Super Duty plant that builds the
Excursion and the Pickups.  He says everything that is going in the 250s,
350s and Excursions are 10.25's.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"




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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:29:37 -0800



> One thing you don't want to do is run in 4w with them locked on pavement
> because it multiplies the torque load on the gears

The reason you don't want to run 4wd on the pavement is there is no
differential between the front and the rear which causes drivetrain binding.
It does not multiply any of the torque to the gears

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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From: EffieFrd aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:52:26 EST
Subject: Another FORD At My House


Hey Y'all,
I've been talkin' to the guys on the Bronco list about this and thought I'd
let y'all in on it too.  Got a '78 Bronco today.  :o)  Ranger XLT, 351M, blue
and silver.  Its very clean on the inside, just a lil surface rust and no
major dents.  I spotted it in some guy's yard on a lil back road.  Stopped
and talked to him about it, and now its mine.  :o)  Well, mine and my lil
brother's.  Anyhow, just thought I'd share.

~Melissa
Marietta, GA
1978 Bronco Ranger XLT..."Brutus"  :o)
1989 Bronco XLT
ICQ#84544993
Real Racers Drive Straight To The Finish Line...
Those Other Guys Just Drive In Circles Looking For It.


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Hey Y'all,
I've been talkin' to the guys on the Bronco list about this and thought I'd
let y'all in on it too.  Got a '78 Bronco today.  :o)  Ranger XLT, 351M, blue
and silver.  Its very clean on the inside, just a lil surface rust and no
major dents.  I spotted it in some guy's yard on a lil back road.  Stopped
and talked to him about it, and now its mine.  :o)  Well, mine and my lil
brother's.  Anyhow, just thought I'd share.

~Melissa
Marietta, GA
1978 Bronco Ranger XLT..."Brutus"  :o)
1989 Bronco XLT
ICQ#84544993
Real Racers Drive Straight To The Finish Line...
Those Other Guys Just Drive In Circles Looking For It.



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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:57:49 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski <theodore ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: 1963 wipers

At 07:51 PM 11/17/00 +0000, you wrote:


>Either motor or switch is going to require pulling the instrument cluster at
>least.

        Or you have to have TINY hands. I.5 hrs out, 1.5 hrs in on the '
64 motor. : )

Ted Wnorowski  Flat Rock, OH
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wnorowski.com/
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' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed
' 63 F-100 parts truck
' 66 F-250 352 4 speed flatbed










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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:39:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Tragic loss

I've just received notice that Jan and Pat Ford had a tragic loss.
Their youngest daughter was killed by a drunk driver about 3 weeks
ago.

For those of you who don't know the Ford's (no relation to FoMoCo),
Pat and Jan Ford have been an enormous part of the Ford truck hobby,
especially for antique trucks.  They put on the F100 Supernationals
and have done so for over 20 years.  Not only that, but they are
really nice folks.

I'd like to show them we care.  Ford Truck Enthusiasts is asking
its members to send loss/sympathy cards and we'll put them together
in a package and send it to Pat and Jan Ford.

The cards should be written to Pat and Jan Ford and sent to Ford
Truck Enthusiasts at:

Ford Truck Enthusiasts
PO Box 422
Lilburn, GA 30048

Your participation in this would be greatly appreciated.  I'm sure
this is a difficult time for them and any comfort, no matter how
small, is sure to help.  Please try to send something by next Friday
at the latest.

Sincerely,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Tragic loss
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:55:13 -0600

This is kinda getting depressing.  People keep dieing.
*sigh*
My card will be there ina few days.
-Don
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> I've just received notice that Jan and Pat Ford had a tragic loss.
> Their youngest daughter was killed by a drunk driver about 3 weeks
> ago.
>
> For those of you who don't know the Ford's (no relation to FoMoCo),
> Pat and Jan Ford have been an enormous part of the Ford truck hobby,
> especially for antique trucks.  They put on the F100 Supernationals
> and have done so for over 20 years.  Not only that, but they are
> really nice folks.
>
> I'd like to show them we care.  Ford Truck Enthusiasts is asking
> its members to send loss/sympathy cards and we'll put them together
> in a package and send it to Pat and Jan Ford.
>
> The cards should be written to Pat and Jan Ford and sent to Ford
> Truck Enthusiasts at:
>
> Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> PO Box 422
> Lilburn, GA 30048
>
> Your participation in this would be greatly appreciated.  I'm sure
> this is a difficult time for them and any comfort, no matter how
> small, is sure to help.  Please try to send something by next Friday
> at the latest.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:24:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee <danlee_58 yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Kickdown lever measurements


John,

Another alternative is a Lokar Kickdown Cable Kit,
aviailable from a speed shop or good auto supply. Also
from Summit Racing on-line. I am using one of these on
my 400/C6. The cable can be routed around headers and
other things that may interfere with a rod. There is a
return spring that mounts on the tranny. It is easy to
install.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

> From: "John Watson" <johnw illawarramercury.com>
> Subject: Wanted: Kickdown lever measurements
> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:56:14 +1100
>
>
> > Help,
> > I need a kickdown lever....
> > Does anyone have some measurements and angles for
> the bends for a kickdown
> > lever for a 4bbl cleveland to C6 auto.  None of
> the wreckers seem to have
> > one, so I thought if I get some aluminium tubing,
> I could make up one
> quite
> > simply. All I need is the angle of the bends and
> lengths.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > John Watson
> > 81 Bronco 351C 4bbl holley C6 Auto


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From: "NP 540" <np540 hotmail.com>
Subject: Dana axles seal surface
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:27:46 GMT

From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:26:25 -0800

I agree with OX but if you keep them locked but the xfer case in 2wd the
seals will be lubed and should last better than if you DON'T lock them I
would think?  The axle ujoints will also last longer if they are run
continuously.

One thing you don't want to do is run in 4w with them locked on pavement
because it multiplies the torque load on the gears, especially in turns due
to axle wrap and can put enough load on them to make them wear much faster
than otherwise.  Ujoints will also suffer in the drive shafts for the same
reason.

Happily Semi-Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

>  It may be running on coast side of gears, but under zero load. Should
>run forever that way. I'd be much more worried (if I was going to worry
>about anything) about diff axle seals leaking, because water and gunk
>usually gets up inside those axle tubes and makes inner axle seal
>running surface rusty, eating up axle seals quick.
>
>                                   OX

This part about inner axle seal surface getting rusty is "interesting": Does
anyone here on this list know how to remedy to
those "pittings" caused by rust on inner axles seal surface? Any
stuff that could be used there to fill those "pitts"? I have a
used axle for my front Dana-44 on my '79 F-150 that have those
"pitts", could it be used successfully, or will it's gonna eat
my seals bad?

Many thanks!

Gerry
VIVE LE FORD!
1978 F-150 SuperCab 4x4
1979 F-150 regular cab 4x4
M-block "disciple"
Still the only Acadian here on this list.....



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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Hubs locked?  was D 60
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:59:17 -0800

> he warned me about driving on the highway with the hubs
> locked in ... said it was bad for them and should be avoided because it
would
> be driving on the coast side of the gear ...

It will be turning the front end, but there will not be any load on it.
Wear and damage will be non existent.  About the only drawback (very minor)
would be a slight loss of fuel mileage.   There are many 4wd's with factory
drive flanges that do just fine for 100- 200K miles or more.  I leave my
hubs locked on all my 4wd's in the winter.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"




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From: "Shelley Batty" <shelba molalla.net>
Subject: temp sensor question
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:33:32 -0800

Okay, this is feeling like a dumb question, and usually I could get it for
myself, but this is a brain fade kind of day.  I am installing an
aftermarket temperature gage, just until I can get the factory gages working
properly.  The problem is, I am not seeing where the stock sending unit
screws in to the block.  I did see one bolt or plug going into the block in
an area the looks like it should be water jacket on the passenger side,
toward the rear of the block.  I am working on a 300" six in a 66 F250.
Where is an appropriate place to install the sensor on my gage?

TIA
Thom Batty
66 F250 Utility


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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:43:09 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: D 60

At 07:25 AM 11/18/00 -0800, you wrote:
>I'd be interested in seeing pictures of the Excursions rearend.  Everything
>that I have seen and read about have 10.25" in the rear and a 50 in the
>front.  I have a friend that works at a Super Duty plant that builds the
>Excursion and the Pickups.  He says everything that is going in the 250s,
>350s and Excursions are 10.25's.
>Jason
>'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
>'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
>"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"


Jason and Tony,

I went out this afternoon and checked the rear axle tag - you are correct,
it is a 10.25
and NOT a Dana 60.  8^(  There is a hand written "60" on the front of the
case which I noticed
while it was on the rack for servicing (normally I do my own oil changes
but for my
service, I took it to a local shop).

The tag says: 3.73  10 2 0c10

I would say it is a 10.25 and not a 60 as originally thought.  Those 60s
and 10.25's sure do look a whole lot alike though.

Marino no longer gets to have axle envy!  8^(

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm  (for sale!!!)

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: It's a boy!
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:04:55 -0500

I think I speak for all of us when I say  CONGRATS   on the new addition to
the  family.
-----Original Message-----
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To: Ford 61-79 list <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:16 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] It's a boy!


>Sorry to interrupt the list for a moment, but this morning my wife
delivered
>a healthy baby boy! Ford truck content; We drove to the hospital in my old
>'70 F100, and he'll come home the same way. Also, he will be tought the
>superiority of Ford trucks above all others, and will know how to tune an
FE
>by the time he's five years old! :-)
>Jason Kendrick
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Cataloug for 61-79 parts needed...
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:25:18 -0500

LMC  or Dennis Carpenter  has catalogs for these.
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Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Cataloug for 61-79 parts needed...


>Does anyone know of a company that specalizes in parts for these beasts?
>
>Karl
>
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From: "Daniel Olinick" <dolinick hotmail.com>
Subject: ford truck moment
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:23:32 CST


Today i drove my white '71 f100 custom longbed to a local restaurant
chain "bill millers". I parked right in front.  As we waited in
line i noticed a brand new white ford heavy duty (f350?) parked
right next to my truck.  It was beautiful.  Then there was wnother
white nineties model f150 parked on the other side of my f100!
Even thought my truck needs a paint job it still looked great.
It was a proud moment for a classic ford truck owner.  I wish i had
my camera.

I'm wishin' and a hopin' to "fix up" or restore my "baby" someday.
I already got her a rebuilt carbeurator and four new drums(brakes).
Still she runs rough especially on cold mornings.

Dan (daniel olinick san antonio, texas)
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