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61-79-list Digest Tue, 14 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 334

In This Issue:
Re: Late model OE mirrors on old trucks...
Re: Brake HELP!
Re: D 60
Re: Grant steering wheel
Re: Grant steering wheel
Re: Grant steering wheel
Re: Grant steering wheel
Re: Mail Order
Grant steering wheel
Re: Watery oil
Engine missing
Re: Engine missing
Re: 1972 F-250 Tail Gate Info
Re: Mail Order
D 60
Water in oil
Re: Water In The Oil
First Supercab?
Late model mirrors
Re: Engine missing
Re: D 60
Water in oil
Re: Front clip options
re-upholtery kits
Re: Rich in name only
Re: Front clip options

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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Late model OE mirrors on old trucks...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:11:03 GMT

I was the one that was asking about the mirrors.  Thanks for the info.  I
would like those pictures, if it wouldn't be too much trouble.

I would like the mirror, I won't get too far until I have a mirror -
right...  Is it chrome or painted, power or manual? (just curious)

I really appreciate you thinking of me, Thanks a lot.

I wish I had a salvage yard that I could roam around in.  All the ones here
say that for insurance reasons, they can't let me past the counter.  That's
no fun!

Thanks Rich.

Marty
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:26:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Brake HELP!

Thanks guys, I found one at a truck dealer in Des Moines ... they even had online
inventory search and everything so I was able to see that they had it ahead
of time, then called them up to verify and actually place the order for it ...
if all goes well Carrie'll pick it up on her way home tonight and it'll be in
my grubby little hands for a few minutes before we have to leave for the hockey
game tonight!

I'll let you know how it all works out, but the part numbers and such were a
big help!



Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:28:44 GMT
Subject: Re: D 60

>Ford didn't use the Dana 60 in the F-series after I think 85.  After that
>it's all 10.25" Ford rears.  Much better anyway and all of them have drums

>that will pull right off.
>

Josh, not sure where you got your info there, but I think they're STILL using
D60's under the trucks, I know my sister's 91 has one (though its only a semi-floater).
Dad's 88 had a 10.25" full floater under it, but i'm pretty sure they had to
pull that nut as well to pull the drum off, don't think it was a pop off like
the semi-floaters use ...

Tony might be able to offer some insight as to whether the new ones have them
under there or not ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:33:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Grant steering wheel

>From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
>
>SWMBO and my son are collaborating to
>purchase a much desired Grant steering
>wheel for Christmas.

Yo John:

You lucky dog!

>I want a normal 4 spoke foam grip steering
>wheel, nothing fancy or unusual.

I have the 15" three-spoke Formula GT wheel in my truck (1980 F250).  It's the
same size as the OEM steering wheel.  I like the look of the three-spoke design
in all-black better than the Grant four-spoke style.  It's a tad more expensive,
but on the Formula GT wheel, the spokes are in the same plane (rather than two
planes w/ the four-spoke style) and the curved fillets between the rim and
spokes fit your finger perfectly when you need to spin the wheel for tight
maneuvering.  Just my 0.02 worth.

The only thing I needed was their Ford installation kit.  I was seriously bummed
that the only Ford logo center horn button they have is polished aluminum, and
not black.  If you want the shiny look, that's the ticket.  Otherwise, they have
a plain black anodized center cap/horn button.  The plastic button on mine aint
fancy, but it's still intact after 5 years.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:22:11 -0600
Subject: Re: Grant steering wheel
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> You lucky dog!

Arf! Arf! I know the wheel you are speaking of, Dave. I really like the four
spoker on our Towncar. I haven't decided whether to go with the chrome,
brushed aluminum or black. I hope to get a wheel slightly smaller than the
stock wheel. Although I mentioned J.C. Whitney, I think I might examine the
local establishments first. I like to see what I'm getting when possible.

Of course when I get it on, I'll put the new Coolpix digital camera to work.
Sometimes it pays to be King of the Toys. (I was dubbed this the day I
received two Coolpix, two Sony digital camcorders, and six Palms.)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Grant steering wheel
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:35:28 -0800

Let me be the first to put in my application to be one of your heirs.

Rich, Prince of the Toys...
I like the sound of that...

-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:22 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Grant steering wheel

Of course when I get it on, I'll put the new Coolpix digital camera to work.
Sometimes it pays to be King of the Toys. (I was dubbed this the day I
received two Coolpix, two Sony digital camcorders, and six Palms.)

-- John

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Grant steering wheel
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:38:20 -0600

I only have a 700 dollar digital camera :( only one sorry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Grant steering wheel


> Let me be the first to put in my application to be one of your heirs.
>
> Rich, Prince of the Toys...
> I like the sound of that...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:22 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Grant steering wheel
>
> Of course when I get it on, I'll put the new Coolpix digital camera to
work.
> Sometimes it pays to be King of the Toys. (I was dubbed this the day I
> received two Coolpix, two Sony digital camcorders, and six Palms.)
>
> -- John
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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Grant steering wheel
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:44:47 -0800 (PST)

John wrote:
> SWMBO and my son are collaborating to purchase a much desired Grant
> steering wheel for Christmas. I know I need an installation kit. Is
> there anything I should be aware of before I let them purchase this
> thing?

Here's my two cents.  I have a 15" Grant GT wheel on my truck.  I wouldn't
go any smaller on a truck unless you have really good power steering.

The big issue with installation kits is to get the turn signal canceller
working.  My Grant kit had roll pins you were supposed to press into holes
in the aluminum adapter.  None of the holes were in the right place and
where it had to go there was no aluminum to drill a hole.  Luckily I
noticed the canceling part that was on my factory wheel was pressed
onto it and just happened to fit onto the grant adapter.  It has been
working fine for about a year.  Might be different on a '79 though.


Mark in Southwest Washington
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'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4x4
in digest mode


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From: "JOHN    HELLDORFER" <john96mom worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Mail Order
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:01:14 -0800


Try WWW.Summitracing.com, and WWW.JEGS.com,   They beat Wrench Head.com
EVERY TIME for me

You may find that the wholesale price at the auto store (What they pay) is
the price you pay at Summit Racing.com



>>>From: "Paul Johnson" <pauljohn nortelnetworks.com>
Subject: Mail Order
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:05:25 -0600

A quick question which probably has about a million answers.  I'm looking
for a good, highly recommended, cheap, reliable, www parts order place.  One
place I came across recently was wrenchhead.com.  Anybody have any
experience with them?  In particular, to my fellow Canadians on the list,
any Canadian resources for this?
Regarding a recent list topic, Dana 60 axle nuts, I recently went through
the hardships of trying to find a socket to fit the nuts on my '68 250.
Most of the parts places had a 2-9/16 socket, but from what I saw, this
appeared to fit back to about 1972 or so.  On mine, the size was 2-3/8.
Went to lots of places trying to find a socket this size but with a thin
enough wall to fit.  Also had to be a six-point socket.  Eventually found
one at an industrial supply place (Ackland-Grainger) I think made by a
company called ATC(??)  A good time was had by all....

Paul
1968 Mercury 250 Camper Special
1970 Bronco Pick-up
1986 AMC Eagle (new family vehicle!)
1991 Isuzu Impulse RS AWD Turbo<<<<<


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:17:54 -0800
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Grant steering wheel

>>SWMBO and my son are collaborating to purchase a much desired Grant >>steering wheel for Christmas. I know I need an installation kit. Is there >>anything I should be aware of before I let them purchase this thing?

I have had a Grant wheel/adaptor set up on my 76 for about 12 years,and
the
wheel is just now starting to show a little wear.
There is a spring steel ring with a small tab on it on the back side of
the stock wheel.The tab cancels the turn signals.I removed it from the
wheel and cut it through and pulled it open a bit and slipped it over
the Grant adaptor and after some trial and error my turn signals would
cancel.
Don't torque on the large nut that holds the adaptor/wheel assembly to
the
shaft or hook up the horn until you get the canceling squared away.It
may take a few attempts to get the wheel straight and the turn signals
to cancel.

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:28:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Grant steering wheel
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> The big issue with installation kits is to get the turn signal canceller
> working.  My Grant kit had roll pins you were supposed to press into holes
> in the aluminum adapter.  None of the holes were in the right place and
> where it had to go there was no aluminum to drill a hole.  Luckily I
> noticed the canceling part that was on my factory wheel was pressed
> onto it and just happened to fit onto the grant adapter.  It has been
> working fine for about a year.  Might be different on a '79 though.
>

Thanks, Mark, I'll watch for that problem.


-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:31:05 -0600
Subject: Re: Grant steering wheel
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Let me be the first to put in my application to be one of your heirs.
>
> Rich, Prince of the Toys...
> I like the sound of that...

My son's name is also Rich, so I guess with a little manipulation of a few
documents....You have to understand, I don't buy any toys except what goes
with Henry. All of this cool technology comes from the taxpayers in our
school district. (I'll pay for that, I can tell already.)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "HPguy" <HPguy netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Watery oil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:43:53 -0800


What happens is that water vapor gets into the crankcase; and as long as the engine stays at operating temp. (190-210*) The water will stay as vapor. When it cools down then it condenses, where additives in the oil absorb a certain amount of it. Your truck has some kind of PCV system, I'm sure. Earlier trucks had a tube from the top of the crancase that went down and followed a frame rail. The problem was that eventually this tube would have oil collect inside, and would be coated on the inside with dirt and oil, at which point it would quit working. These type of PCV's also would work only at speeds around/above 35MPH, and the air blowing past would draw out any vapors/pollutants from the crankcase.
Newer engines have a PCV valve on the filler cap, and that feeds into the air intake.
In either case, it's probably your PCV system;
Sorry so long
-Andrew

1964 F-250, 292, 4spd/granny


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From: "Dennis Smith" <hdennissmith earthlink.net>
Subject: Engine missing
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:04:54 -0500

I have a 1978 F-150 SuperCab with the 400 engine.  It has about 93,000
miles on it.

The engine was running rough (had a definite miss) and I took it to a
local mechanic
to have it tuned up.  New plugs, wires, rotor & dist cap.  He had to
unfreeze the
distributor in order to set the timing but that was done.
This did not eliminate the miss.

Since then he has spent quite a lot of time troubleshooting the
engine.  The following
is what he has told me.

From the exhaust it sounds like a burnt valve but a compression test
gave:

    #4 145 lb                  #8 145 lb
    #3 140 lb                  #7 140 lb
    #2 135 lb                  #6 145 lb
    #1 140 lb                  #5 140 lb

The timing chain showed a 9 deg deflection.

Pulling the valve covers revealed nothing unusual.

There is a vacuum leak but doesn't seem to be very big.

Pulling plug wires indicated that the two back cylinders are doing
almost nothing.
In fact, crossing the plug wires for the two cylinders did not make
the skip
appreciably worse.

He did the obvious checks for a spark, traded out spark plug wires,
etc.
and all plugs are firing.

He feels that the problem must be in the carburetor and plans to pull
it
tomorrow afternoon.  He thinks it might have something to do with a
vacuum
leak in or around the carburetor but a test using carb cleaner did not
locate the problem.

He is a young man in a one man shop but I asked around and he seems to
be competent
and he is open to suggestions.

I had talked with him about the "frozen distributor" postings that I
had read on this list.
He knew how to do that but suggested that I post the current problem
to the list and see
if anyone had suggestions.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Dennis Smith
1978 F-150 Custom SuperCab

hdennissmith earthlink.net







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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:43:44 EST
Subject: Re: Engine missing

In a message dated 11/14/2000 3:03:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
hdennissmith earthlink.net writes:

<< Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Dennis Smith
1978 F-150 Custom SuperCab
 >>
Question:  Is this rough running only at idle or under power also??  In
either case, a vacuum leak can cause "rough running", but generally more
pronounced at an idle.  Good Luck.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 07:14:12 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 F-250 Tail Gate Info

Dennis Caprneter's is selling a very good Ford authorized tailgate.
Made in the USA (not Usa China) and are of 1st class quality.  I just rec'd
mine via UPS this week.  Awesome product!

Stu


At 07:31 PM 11/8/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Well, It finally happened. My luck ran out :) Someone backed into my
>tailgate. He has Ins.
>I would like to know if the aftermarket tailgates from Autokrafters.com,
>LMC.com  etc... are of good quality. Only Repro types are available, so far
>as I can tell.  OR is there another source others have tried? I would like
>to get a complete assembly if possible.
>
>The junk yards here are Very poor as of late.  I get the Ins estimate next
>week and would like to do my homework before they see my truck.
>The bumper of the 4whl drive thing (TOY*&^TA) nailed the left rear corner.
>:)
>
>I may `post` it(old tailgate) for sale when all is said and done.
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:05:55 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Mail Order

At 04:05 PM 11/13/00 -0600, you wrote:
>A quick question which probably has about a million answers.  I'm looking
>for a good, highly recommended, cheap, reliable, www parts order place.  One
>place I came across recently was wrenchhead.com.  Anybody have any
>experience with them?  In particular, to my fellow Canadians on the list,
>any Canadian resources for this?

Dennis Carpenter's is a good place to order Ford truck parts from.

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: D 60
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:00:18 -0600


Darrell writes:  >>I dont know what the first year was, but my dads 88 E-350 has a HD Dana 60
with drums that come off with out pullin the axle.  Really comes in handy
with that brake eatin truck.  Might be the same with the F-seies of the same
year, so it might help you F-250 owners out there.  I havent seen a Dana 70
like that yet, but if I do, Im grabbin it for Tweety.<<

You sure about it being a D 60..  FOMOCO started using their(FORD) 10.25
sometime in the mid 80's.  I'm pretty sure it was prior to '88..  Not certain, but
pretty sure..  They look an awfully lot alike, until you get into one..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Water in oil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:15:32 -0600


Gary P writes:  >>  My immediate problem is that there appears to be water getting into the oil.
There is a white sludge appearing on the dip stick and out of the rocker
breathers.
A white steamy smoke is coming out the exhausts.<<

If it hasn't been run in quite a while, long enough to get it good and warm
thru and thru, then it couild be just condensation.  If you have run it long
enough to get it hot(not hot hot, but up to normal temp) and kept it there
for some time, then you have a blown head gasket, cracked block or head,
or blown intake gasket(least likely of those mentioned)..  Try changing your
oil/filter and running it down the road 25 miles or so and see if it reappears.
Does the temp gauge read near center of scale, or does it hardly move up to
scale?? I'd recommend least 180 degrees, and personally I run 195 degrees.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.
Not far from Smyrna, Tn.


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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Water In The Oil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:22:14 -0800


>
> Hi,
>
> I am new to the list and wanted to say hi.
> I got my 67' F100 on Friday, she's a little bit sorry looking
> and needs a
> lot of work. It's going to be a long project for me, which I
> am looking
> forward to working on.  The truck has a 352 V8 with a 3 speed manual
> transmission.
>
> My immediate problem is that there appears to be water
> getting into the oil.
> There is a white sludge appearing on the dip stick and out of
> the rocker
> breathers.
> A white steamy smoke is coming out the exhausts.
>
> Any ideas what the problem might be and what would be my
> steps to resolving
> it.
> I am assuming that the engine won't last long if I run it like this.
> I need to do the repair as cheap as possible as my cash flow is about
> exhausted for now. An engine rebuild would not be possible at
> this time.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary Pope
> Smyrna, TN
>
>

Welcome.  Glad to have you on the list.

If the truck has been sitting for a long time it may have a lot of moisture
built up in it.  You could try changing the oil and running it again to see
if the white sludge comes back.  If this is the problem you may have to
change the oil 2 or 3 times.

Unfortunately I don't believe this is your problem.  It sounds like you have
a bad head gasket or a cracked block or cylinder head.  Only way to repair
the engine is to rebuild it.  You might get away with a top end rebuild, new
heads and head gasket.

Some ways to check this are a compression test.  Or try removing the
radiator cap and then start the truck.  If you have a bad leak to the
coolant passage from the combustion chamber you will see bubbles in the
coolant.

Antifreeze is not good for the main bearings so you are correct if this is
the problem the engine won't last long.

Another fix might be to swap the engine.  A 390 is a direct swap and will
give you more power (Arr Arr Arr).  You should be able to find a decent
running 390 with a little effort.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Tom H.

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From: "Brian Johns" <brjohns21 netzero.net>
Subject: First Supercab?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:18:42 -0800


Since the subject came up...   What year was the first Supercab?

I have a '76 F150 Supercab and can't remember seeing an older one.  I do
know there were way fewer supercab/extended cabs sold back then (% wise).

Brian.




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From: "Jeffery Hansen" <billybobjoehansen hotmail.com>
Subject: Late model mirrors
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:49:21 GMT

I have the late model mirrors on The Muny Pit.  Think the guy I bought the
truck from said they were off a 91.  They are black.  Anyone looking to put
a set on thier truck can have these even up for a good set off a 73-79.
Don't like 'em at all.  They look nice and all - but are totally useless
driving down the road with the vibration, wind, and all. Can't see
zip-point-$4&&. Was telling Rich that just a couple weeks ago when I was
over to his house - when I get back from my Persian Excertion next May I was
gonna hit a treasure yard and find a good set off an older truck.
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From: "Dennis Smith" <hdennissmith earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine missing
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:06:11 -0500


>  Sincerely,
>
>  Dennis Smith
>  1978 F-150 Custom SuperCab
>   >>
> Question:  Is this rough running only at idle or under
> power also??  In
> either case, a vacuum leak can cause "rough running", but
> generally more
> pronounced at an idle.  Good Luck.
> Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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>
>

Much more pronounced at idle.

Another customer who was looking on as I talked to the mechanic
mentioned something about
a gasket/spacer or some such leaking under the carburetor as possibly
being the problem.  It
wasn't clear to me.  Does it make any sense to you?

Thanks for answering

Dennis


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:40:14 EST
Subject: Re: D 60


In a message dated 11/14/2000 6:19:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
maggie11 HiWAAY.net writes:


> You sure about it being a D 60..

Im positive.  Im not trying to be smart, but I dont know of any 10.25's with
the Dana diamond stamped into the cover.  Along with the ID 60HD.  This is
without a doubt a Dana.  If I can borrow a digi camera I'll take pics.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Jeffery Hansen" <billybobjoehansen hotmail.com>
Subject: Water in oil
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:48:29 GMT

Gary - before you go and tear the thing apart looking for head gaskets and
the like - look for the simple things first.  I had the same problem with
the Muny Pit when I lived in Chicago - and it is that time of the year
again.  Does it have a functioning PVC system?  Did I see you were in TN, in
the mountains?  It might be as simple as condensation building up in the
engine after shut down.  If it's not overheating - I'd doubt the head gasket
just yet. Although could be the intake gasket. But then it'd act like it had
a vacume leak.  The first time I checked my oil when it got cold - I found
the dip stick covered in thick white paste and got literally sick, with
having just put 3 grand into rebuilding it.  I pulled the valve covers and
found them covered a half inch thick with the milky white paste.  I changed
the oil, fearing the worst like some would offer. Next day - same thing. I
then fabricated a PVC system - cleaned up the oil in one ten mile trip.  If
it were the head gasket - I'd also doubt it being pure white paste - unless
you have absolutly no antifreeze in it - and then I'd say the white paste is
the least of your worries.
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:31:24 -0600
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Front clip options

At 02:16 PM 11/8/00 -0800, you wrote:
>The Pacer was sold for how many years, 3 or so?  It wasn't a hot seller.
>
>The Aerostar was produced for 10 years and was a huge seller.  Slightly
>larger customer base with the Aerostar, IMHO.  Have no idea as to it's
>worthiness, however.
>


Volare and Mustang II clips have wide acceptance among the hot-rod/custom
community
due to the fact parts are very available and they a decent units to install.

I am leaning now, at this point toward a Volare clip for three reasons.

1.  They are a tad beefier than the Mustang II unit and since we will have
a healthy FE in there I will feel a little better about the extra support.

2.  Parts are readily available for the Volare clips and it appears it will
remain that way thanks to many street
rod people who use these units.

3.  The front ride height is adjustable in a matter of seconds with a
Volare - unless someone has come up with an adjustable Mustang II recently,
I don't think they are as easily adjustable.

I am looking for something that we be useful on this "long term vehicle" so
parts availablity it rather important.

Yes FTE land, you are hearing Mr. Blue blooded FoMoCo himself say, he is
thinking of using a non-Ford component
in his truck.  Atleast it ain't a Camaro front clip.  8^)

Mustang II's have practically unlimited potential as they appear to be THE
item to put under the front of any ride.

Decisions, decisions.......Thankfully, the front end and frame work will
not begin until February
or so right after we finish the four link rear end.

Keep the discussion going.....I am all ears.

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm  (71 4x4 for sale!!!)
'68 M in the works

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From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: re-upholtery kits
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:43:59 -0700

I desperately need to redo the seat in my '62 F-250.  The Foam padding has
totally powdered away and is lying in the bottom of my floor pan.  Just
kidding, i have kept it cleaned out.  But I am down to Indian blanket, vinyl
and springs.  Most kits I have seen come with extra foam for patches, but I
need whole nuw pads.  Anyone know of a good source for these?  I would also
appreciate any recomendations for the whole kits.

Thanks,  Rich


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From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: Re: Rich in name only
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:58:09 -0700

Do you guys ever wish Rich was an adjective use to describe you rather than
your (or your son's) name?

The Utah Rich

> > Let me be the first to put in my application to be one of your heirs.
> >
> > Rich, Prince of the Toys...
> > I like the sound of that...
>
> My son's name is also Rich,


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:31:13 -0700
From: Dave Oneal <dave davesmonsterpit.com>
Subject: Re: Front clip options

If anybody is interested I have a Volare sitting in my back yard that is
for the taking. It might still run too. I cant remember what year it is.

At 06:31 PM 11/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
>At 02:16 PM 11/8/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >The Pacer was sold for how many years, 3 or so?  It wasn't a hot seller.
> >
> >The Aerostar was produced for 10 years and was a huge seller.  Slightly
> >larger customer base with the Aerostar, IMHO.  Have no idea as to it's
> >worthiness, however.
> >
>
>
>Volare and Mustang II clips have wide acceptance among the hot-rod/custom
>community
>due to the fact parts are very available and they a decent units to install.
>
>I am leaning now, at this point toward a Volare clip for three reasons.
>
>1.  They are a tad beefier than the Mustang II unit and since we will have
>a healthy FE in there I will feel a little better about the extra support.
>
>2.  Parts are readily available for the Volare clips and it appears it will
>remain that way thanks to many street
>rod people who use these units.
>
>3.  The front ride height is adjustable in a matter of seconds with a
>Volare - unless someone has come up with an adjustable Mustang II recently,
>I don't think they are as easily adjustable.
>
>I am looking for something that we be useful on this "long term vehicle" so
>parts availablity it rather important.
>
>Yes FTE land, you are hearing Mr. Blue blooded FoMoCo himself say, he is
>thinking of using a non-Ford component
>in his truck.  Atleast it ain't a Camaro front clip.  8^)
>
>Mustang II's have practically unlimited potential as they appear to be THE
>item to put under the front of any ride.
>
>Decisions, decisions.......Thankfully, the front end and frame work will
>not begin until February ....


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