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61-79-list Digest Fri, 10 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 330

In This Issue:
Re: New to List...Question 1
Re: PAINT QUESTION
Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
Re: emissions
Re: C-6 jumped out of Park
78 F250 4x4
Re: Is this a ridiculous question?
Paint questions
Re: 78 F250 4x4
Re: 78 F-250 axles
Circuit breaker for park lights?
Re: Circuit breaker for park lights?
Re: C-6 jumped out of Park
Re: Circuit breaker for park lights?
Re: PAINT QUESTION
Re: PAINT QUESTION
Re: was emissions, now Springtown
Re: Speedo assemblies...
Re: 78 F250 4x4
FE Pulleys
Retirement etc....
Re: Is this a rediculous question?
C6 ratios
Re: Paint Question
Iowa FTE'ers?
FTE Iowa get-together
Re: Retirement etc....

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From: Fordman9901 webtv.net
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:53:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New to List...Question 1


Dan i have a 70 2wd F100  351w  and 4 speed with 31x10.50x15 tires on it
and have no problems with it it also has power steering that someone
else put on it.  and also  has the stock steering column I am not sure
what year the power steering pump they used i also have a picture on the
Ford Enthusiasts pictorial under 70 models it is white with a stripe
down the side it is listed under FORD-TRUCK-70  Hope this helps if you
have any other questions  email me Thanks Randy



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Hey,

My name is Dan Beiers and I am the new owner of a 2wd 67 F-100.  It has a
swapped in 390, 4bbl, headers etc.  Its a T-18 manual 4 spd.

I live in downtown Denver and parallel parking is impossible.  I would like
to swap in a power steering setup.  I was told that in addition to getting a
pump, brackets, and gear, that I would also need a different shaft/column as
the steering shaft and outer column are longer in a manual steer truck.  My
question is, basically, is this true?  Could the existing column be modified
to work.  I like the looks of my stock column and also fear having to  swap
it out in terms of time.  Also what would be the best donor vehicle for
these items.  I found a 73 pickup in a bone yard with a gear, pump, and
brackets but the column is not only aesthetically displeasing but appears to
be quite a bit different than my 67's.  Any tips on this swap or write-up
locations would be very helpful.

Also what is the maximum tire size I can fit on this truck without
disturbing anything.  It looks like 30x9.5 would fit fine but that 31's
might be a bit tight.  Anyone with these tire sizes on a similar truck?

Thanks for your time

Dan

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From: "ben" <stevee itis.com>
Subject: Re: PAINT QUESTION
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:35:32 -0600

I used to work at a Maaco here in Wisconsin. They had a book of colors the
customers could pick from, but I don't think there was any camo colors. I
mixed up 3 quarts of olive drab for me to use on my truck when I worked
there but it was not easy. I had to look through paint chip books from
Dupont and PPG to find an olive drab, and there was other camo colors like
various browns and greens. After I got the PPG and Dupont color codes I had
to cross reference to find the code for the Nason brand paint we used. The
only thing is there was not any flat colors in the Nason mixing bank. So
right now if I were to spray my truck with it, it would be shiny and not the
flat green I want. But, Nason has a additive for there paint that is called
a "flattener". When added to the 3 quarts of paint I have it would turn it
into a flat green. I don't know what the Maaco's out where you live use for
paint, but if it's Nason they should be able to do it for you. If you need
any body work done I wouldn't recommend Maaco though, there any to
everything is Bondo and lots of it. But if all you want is to have your
truck painted then they will do just fine. I think I even have the mixing
sheet for the olive drab still, this would tell them how to mix it so they
wouldn't have to go through all the trouble I did. If I can find it I could
scan it and email it to you. If you need any more info or have any questions
you can email me off list at stevee itis.com

For the bed liner I would do it after you got it painted, so they wouldn't
get any paint on it. If Maaco got paint on it they would try to get it off
by using thinner or reducer and I don't know what effect that would have on
freshly sprayed bed liner, it probably wouldn't be good though.




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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:55:27 GMT
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park

>dont as me how the worked the linkage,
>but they all used the shifter out of early 80's Mustangs.

Piece of cake ... the linkage is pretty standard between transmissions, just
be sure the detents in the tranny and the shifter line up :)

> Only prob was
>reachin way down to shift.
>

Here's where your Aerostar pieces can come in handy, some of those had a floor
shifter with a nice long handle on them ... I always thought it looked funny,
but it would be useful in this situation ... Bronco II's and Ranger's had similar
things, but they were never quite as tall I don't think.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: Re: emissions
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:57:21 -0700

you're right- parts guy called to say vendor discontinued the item. :(
-Randy
'79 f250 supercab

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Subject: [61-79-list] Re: emissions


Don't want to be a downer, but I wouldn't rejoice until the part is in your
hands and then bolted to your truck.  Hopefully they ordered the right one
(and the warehouse actually has it).  Just speaking from personal
experience...

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Cannon [mailto:rcannon ussynthetic.com]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:43 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: emissions


Whew!- I finally found the right A.I.R tube at one of the less-frequented
parts stores.  They had to special order it, and it'll take a week to get
here, but after making 30+ calls to wrecking yards, parts stores, etc...,
I'm relieved.  Thanks for all your help.
-Randy
'79 f250 supercab

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From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:18:39 -0500
Subject: Re: C-6 jumped out of Park

> I want to take this opportunity to warn everyone, especially those  new
to old Ford trucks, > that the C-6 is well known for falling out of Park
into Reverse when the engine is running.
=========================================================================
=====
 I can't remember the exact year but in the late 70's; very early 80's,
there was a big stink with Fords of any type, (with a "column" shift)
dropping out of Park and into Reverse.
I had a 79 Cougar (FMX) , a 72 F-250 (C-6) , and a 77 Granada (C-4) at
the time, and Ford sent me these cheezy little stickers to put on the
dash as a warning.  I think that's one of the reasons behind the redesign
of the car columns in the mid 80's.    Later, Phil
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:18:20 -0800
From: "JM O'Neill" <hanabi lvcm.com>
Subject: 78 F250 4x4

Hi folks,

 I'm trying to determine how close to stock the
suspension my 78 F250 4x4 is.
 I purchased the truck from my brother who sts
the only mod he did was an add-a-leaf to the front
to level the truck.  The rear has springs with 6 leaves and
3'' lift blocks.  The blocks have 'ears' on them designed
to stop against bumpers bolted to the frame.

Question:  did Ford use lift blocks from the factory?


Joe O'Neill

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From: BRussAZ aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:19:22 EST
Subject: Re: Is this a ridiculous question?

In a message dated 11/9/00 11:51:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
genegow hotmail.com writes:

<< When I replaced my 240 with a 300 the mechanic said the oilpan was a few
inches deeper on the 300 (he was worried about it hitting the crossmember
but it still swapped in OK).

Texican Teacher, 70 F100 w 300/six >>

thanx man...

Bill


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From: "Don Jones" <twistedhand hotmail.com>
Subject: Paint questions
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:23:19 GMT



>>camo paint job around here *sniffle~sob* so I am gonna have to go with
>>Maaco
>>or Earl Schieb! I want to know this: I am planning on doing a spray on
>>bedliner in my truck, should I do it BEFORE or AFTER the paint job since I
>>dont think they'll paint the inside of my bed. Also, do they have like a
>>book
>>of colors and stuff I can look at to decide what color I want? >>Thanks a
>>lot
guys! Any other info would help!

Lisa:
Tell them you want it painted.. you are the customer, afterall, and to just
shoot the inside of the bed would take very little time and depending on
your expectations, they can even skip the prep work.
check with the place that does the spray in liner. they may have a
preference as to weither to paint first or not..

Changing colour of your truck would likely cost more than refinishing it the
same colour, because it usually involves priming it, but they should be able
to paint it *any* colour!!

Don Jones
1970 f-250 ~Fordzilla~





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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:33:29 -0800
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: 78 F250 4x4

>Hi folks,
>
>
>Question:  did Ford use lift blocks from the factory?
>

Yep.
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:43:54 EST
Subject: Re: 78 F-250 axles

You can tell if the truck has a Dana 60 Front axel by the steering arm on the
rear.  The Dana 44 (3/4 ton) has a 3-bolt (Boomarang looking) steering arm.
The Dana 60 (1 ton) has a 4-bolt steering arm.  All 1978 & 1979 F-250's had
Dana 60 rears.  If you have any more questions....just ask!!!  Wayne Grabley
(Clifton, NJ)

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:50:33 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Circuit breaker for park lights?

Is there a C.B. for parking lights? I tried out my new trailer tonight.
The park lights would go on and off at pretty much regular intervals
when the trailer lights are pluged in. There's no prob when they're not
plugged in. If there is a C.B., where is it located or could there be
another problem? There's no shorts in the wiring. It's all new and
routed thru hoses to prevent chafing.

TIA
Greg


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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" <oldparts ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Circuit breaker for park lights?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:02:19 -0500

I would recheck the wires at the connector, the splices in to your wiring
for the pig tail and I would recheck the trailer wiring.  I bought a new
trailer several years back and it had the same problem.  Found that even
though the wiring was wrapped with tubing the wiring had been chaffed during
the installation and was shorting out inside the sleve.  Took for ever to
find but has been fine ever since.

-Ted

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Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 7:56 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Circuit breaker for park lights?


>Is there a C.B. for parking lights? I tried out my new trailer tonight.
>The park lights would go on and off at pretty much regular intervals
>when the trailer lights are pluged in. There's no prob when they're not
>plugged in. If there is a C.B., where is it located or could there be
>another problem? There's no shorts in the wiring. It's all new and
>routed thru hoses to prevent chafing.
>
>TIA
>Greg
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: C-6 jumped out of Park
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:11:29 -0500




> > I want to take this opportunity to warn everyone, especially those  new
> to old Ford trucks, > that the C-6 is well known for falling out of Park
> into Reverse when the engine is running.
> =========================================================================
In 1969 the ford galaxies had allot of troubles with jumping out of park
into reverse
i recall seeing a friend walking behind his police cruiser when this
happened and it pushed him into a hedge of briar bushes
bad thing was it was so funny i watching it happen i couldnt even help him
gordon




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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Circuit breaker for park lights?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:14:35 -0500




> Is there a C.B. for parking lights? ng.
>
> TIA
> Greg
>
> =============================================================
far as i know the C/B is built into the headlight switch itself
you may need to replace the whole switch
gordon



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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: PAINT QUESTION
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:21:08 -0800


I don't think it matters if you do the bed liner first or after.  I would
probably do it after since the discount painters are not known for putting
extra effort into masking.

That said you can go a long way to improving the quality of the paint job by
removing any trim  you don't want painted over ahead of time.  Hot Rod mag
did an ES discount paint job and before they went in they stripped the car
down to a shell and then let them shoot it.  You may not want to go that far
but if it isn't on the truck it can't get oversprayed.;0)

Tom H.


>
> Hey guys! *hugs* Well, I think I realized I can't find anyone
> to do a decent
> camo paint job around here *sniffle~sob* so I am gonna have
> to go with Maaco
> or Earl Schieb! I want to know this: I am planning on doing a
> spray on
> bedliner in my truck, should I do it BEFORE or AFTER the
> paint job since I
> dont think they'll paint the inside of my bed. Also, do they
> have like a book
> of colors and stuff I can look at to decide what color I
> want? Thanks a lot
> guys! Any other info would help!
>
> *~*~Lisa and ENVY~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*
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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:24:35 EST
Subject: Re: PAINT QUESTION


Hey Lisa

You might want to try calling RinoLinings. I've had some dealing with them
Coating some deckplates on a Submarine Trainer I worked on a few years ago.
They have several colors (cant remember how many) and can even mix in some
noskid material  (somewhat like garnet). I know there are others out there
that do the same thing. That's who I've worked with and they (the Navy
dude's) were happy with the results.

George in Fl.


In a message dated 11/10/00 2:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:


> Hey guys! *hugs* Well, I think I realized I can't find anyone to do a decent
> camo paint job around here *sniffle~sob* so I am gonna have to go with
> Maaco
> or Earl Schieb! I want to know this: I am planning on doing a spray on
> bedliner in my truck, should I do it BEFORE or AFTER the paint job since I
> dont think they'll paint the inside of my bed. Also, do they have like a
> book
> of colors and stuff I can look at to decide what color I want? Thanks a lot
> guys! Any other info would help!
>
> *~*~Lisa and ENVY~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*
>



George



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From: "gene baker" <bakergene hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: was emissions, now Springtown
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:39:12 CST

I live about 13 miles north of Springtown, close to Poolville. I have a
1972F100, but the motor is torn out right now to be replaced with my
screamer (hopefully by the end of winter).

Gene


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>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: emissions
>Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:53:41 -0600
>
>Oh awesome, my sis' boyfriend lives in Sprintown, maybe we can meet up or
>something? What kind of truck do you have?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of gene baker
>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:33 PM
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: emissions
>
>Hey Ron,
>Where are you at in Texas. I live about 30 miles north of Fort Worth in
>Springtown. I know that Eric Washburn lives in Azle, which is about 20
>minutes from me.
>
>Gene
>bakergene hotmail.com
>
>
> >From: Ron Martens <martens flash.net>
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> >Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:45:43 -0600
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> >Where are you located? I just bought one here in Texas for a 302.
>
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From: "Carver" <carver ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo assemblies...
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:45:19 -0800

I think it depends on if the speedos are the same style.

I am pretty sure that the round ones will swap with the
round style, regardless of which truck style or year it
came from.  The '65 Custom cabs and late '64's started
using the wide style of speedo.

Jeff  '64 F100 CrewCab
---------------
I was wondering if a speedo assembly out of a '65 camper
special is the same as the one in my '64  Custom cab?

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From: "Shelley Batty" <shelba molalla.net>
Subject: Re: 78 F250 4x4
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:58:02 -0800

Yes.  These sound like Ford factory blocks, I've owned a couple of ford
4x4s, all had rear blocks.

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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 3:18 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] 78 F250 4x4


Hi folks,

 I'm trying to determine how close to stock the
suspension my 78 F250 4x4 is.
 I purchased the truck from my brother who sts
the only mod he did was an add-a-leaf to the front
to level the truck.  The rear has springs with 6 leaves and
3'' lift blocks.  The blocks have 'ears' on them designed
to stop against bumpers bolted to the frame.

Question:  did Ford use lift blocks from the factory?


Joe O'Neill


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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:18:24 EST
Subject: FE Pulleys

I have had to get another set of pulleys for the 428 in my 76 to match
better. The old set has the wrong pulleys on the harmonic balancer and caused
some draging of the belts.

The new water pump pulley has three grooves for three belts as does the new
crankshaft pulley. The new pulley for the crankshaft is all one piece and
detaches from the balancer. New balancer has no groove machined into it or
pressed onto it in any way. It is a single piece when everything is unbolted
from it (except for the outer ring with rubber between it and the middle
part).

I need two grooves on the water pump pulley to run the power steering and the
alt properly. I can see where the crank pulley is for AC if used. Any ideas
what the third groove on the waterpump pulley is for?

Thanks in advance

Rollie

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Retirement etc....
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:31:26 -0800


Well, I have to say that this retirement thing aint as bad as some like to think.  I haven't been bored for one second so far and money is holding up pretty well now that we have both got our "Retirement legs" so to speak.  A little bonus came up when Visteon called me and asked me to come back and teach some operators and get the machine back up.  Seems no one else could figure it out and Walters said that our machine is so old and software is custom so that they would not be able to do much to help (which was very true :-))

I didn't  know what they thought I would be happy with for pay so I determined to go in and tell them my demands first before starting and was determined to walk out if they refused.  They accepted my terms fairly happily and some friends said I under sold myself :-)  I am pretty happy with $45/hr though (I'm not greedy :-)) so in 18 hrs of work I made $900 and they want me to come back one day a week to do this for a while.  I can handle this I think :-)  If I can keep my wife under control I may get my Lathe/Mill machine yet :-)

Visteon has different rules about things than Ford did.  They set a rule that supervisors over any group had to have practical experience in and be qualified in the work they oversee.  This means that tool room supervisors have to have a journeyman's card as Die Makers or Tool Makers at the very least.  FINALLY!  Someone got smart :-)   But, no matter, I'm out of that loop now and very happy to be out of it :-)  They also promised to keep all personnel not involved in the training out of my way (one person in particular) which I has also decided would be part of my terms.  The person I am training is very interested in learning the machine so it turned out to be a nice couple of days.  You always have more fun teaching someone who is smart and interested.  It can be very satisfying under those conditions :-)  Even the electrician I had to call was very cooperative (he used to be hard to get along with but two things happened:  I learned how to deal with him and he began to respect my knowledge, finally).

I took my wife out shopping last night and we just happened to stop at Sams.......what a mistake!  She filled two carts with Christmas stuff!  There went my machine again :-(

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)


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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:50:47 EST
Subject: Re: Is this a rediculous question?

I don't know about the difference but have a 81 300 in the garage collecting
dust if interested.

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: C6 ratios
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:22:49 -0600


Gary writes:  >>
I think Azie meant "Wide" ratio here?  Only point this out to avoid
confusion for some......:-)

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> The C6 close ratio and the E4OD have the same 1st three gear ratios..<<

Yep....  Thats what I meant..  W I D E ratio.  Not close ratio..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Scott Jensen" <sjensensr worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:14:06 -0800


Hi Lisa,

There will probably be a bunch of different opinions, but I would paint the bed after the rest of the truck is painted. I've seen a few of the painted bed liners and the transition line on top of the bed always looked like it would be hard to tape. A little planning might be in order though. The bedliner people give a warrantee, so they do a pretty good prep job. I'd hate to have them sand blasting and grinding right next to the fresh paint. Might be a good idea to drive over and chat with them.
Maybe a deal could be worked out where some of the prep could be done beforehand, since the whole truck has to be prepped anyway.

As far as getting a "cheap" paint job, always remember, the only difference between cheap and expensive is the amount of prep the shop has to do. I used to do quite a bit of spraying in the garage, but the time spent rigging all the plastic got to be a bit much. Not to mention SWMBO, who would think the washer and dryer were necessities?


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From: "paul williams" <williams22470 hotmail.com>
Subject: Iowa FTE'ers?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:47:49 PST

   Wish;
Are there quite a few FTE'ers on the list in Iowa? If so, does a
get-together sound good sometime? BTW, I am about an hour NE of Ames,IA.

>
>From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
>Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:03:28 GMT
>Subject: Re: I need a hood
>
> >Darrell, I'm in southwest Iowa, or about 100 miles south of Wish.
>
>Which reminds me ... when and where are we gonna meet ?  In a week or so I
>should
>finally have my machine back together and running...
>
>
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
>96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
>73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: FTE Iowa get-together
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:20:15 -0600

Wish, sorry for the delayed response. I'm working on getting my '78
road-worthy, and I think it'll be done soon. If not, I can break out the
'70. I'm really waiting for my son to be born-the due date was the nineth of
this month. Sometime in early December sounds like a good place to start. I
think Des Moines would be a good central location, unless you have a better
idea.

Jason Kendrick

> Which reminds me ... when and where are we gonna meet ?  In a week or so I
should
> finally have my machine back together and running...



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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Retirement etc....
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:22:25 -0600


Glad to hear your are enjoying yourself Gary. I would be pretty happy with $45 an hour too!

---Garrett www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Gary
 To: afte-list ford-trucks.com ; 61-79 list
 Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:31 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Retirement etc....



 Well, I have to say that this retirement thing aint as bad as some like to think.  I haven't been bored for one second so far and money is holding up pretty well now that we have both got our "Retirement legs" so to speak.  A little bonus came up when Visteon called me and asked me to come back and teach some operators and get the machine back up.  Seems no one else could figure it out and Walters said that our machine is so old and software is custom so that they would not be able to do much to help (which was very true :-))

 I didn't  know what they thought I would be happy with for pay so I determined to go in and tell them my demands first before starting and was determined to walk out if they refused.  They accepted my terms fairly happily and some friends said I under sold myself :-)  I am pretty happy with $45/hr though (I'm not greedy :-)) so in 18 hrs of work I made $900 and they want me to come back one day a week to do this for a while.  I can handle this I think :-)  If I can keep my wife under control I may get my Lathe/Mill machine yet :-)

 Visteon has different rules about things than Ford did.  They set a rule that supervisors over any group had to have practical experience in and be qualified in the work they oversee.  This means that tool room supervisors have to have a journeyman's card as Die Makers or Tool Makers at the very least.  FINALLY!  Someone got smart :-)   But, no matter, I'm out of that loop now and very happy to be out of it :-)  They also promised to keep all personnel not involved in the training out of my way (one person in particular) which I has also decided would be part of my terms.  The person I am training is very interested in learning the machine so it turned out to be a nice couple of days.  You always have more fun teaching someone who is smart and interested.  It can be very satisfying under those conditions :-)  Even the electrician I had to call was very cooperative (he used to be hard to get along with but two things happened:  I learned how to deal with him and he began to res!
 pect my knowledge, finally).

 I took my wife out shopping last night and we just happened to stop at Sams.......what a mistake!  She filled two carts with Christmas stuff!  There went my machine again :-( ....


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