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61-79-list Digest Thu, 09 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 329

In This Issue:
Is this a ridiculous question?
Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
Re: I need a hood
Re: Front clip options
78 F-250 axles
Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
Re: More '79 F-350 Issues
Re: ADMIN: Please visit the FTE home page
Re: Fw: Key blanks for '66 F100
Re: 78 F-250 axles
Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
Re: emissions
Re: emissions
New to List...Question 1
Re: New to List...Question 1
PAINT QUESTION

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From: "gene gardner" <genegow hotmail.com>
Subject: Is this a ridiculous question?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:48:29 -0600

>Are there any obvious external differences between the 240 and 300 ...

When I replaced my 240 with a 300 the mechanic said the oilpan was a few
inches deeper on the 300 (he was worried about it hitting the crossmember
but it still swapped in OK).

Texican Teacher, 70 F100 w 300/six

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:00:05 GMT
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park

>that the C6 is well known for falling out of Park into
>Reverse when the engine is running.


>2. Always set your parking brake. The assumption is that the parking brake

>works correctly.
>

Except that parking brakes on drum brake vehicles don't stop them from rolling
backwards, especially not at high idle with a good sized V8 ...

>3. Don't leave your running vehicle unattended.
>

Probably the BEST advice ...

>Now many people will have the urge to say that they have driven there truck

>for decades and 1000s of miles and never had this happen.

If it had been anyone other than a handful of people on this list I'd have blown
it off as an old wive's tale (husband's?) ...

Anyway a friend of mine had a similar experience and let me tell you, the stories
she had about filling out those insurance forms ... I guess leaving the line
"driver" blank is a bit unnerving to them.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:03:28 GMT
Subject: Re: I need a hood

>Darrell, I'm in southwest Iowa, or about 100 miles south of Wish.

Which reminds me ... when and where are we gonna meet ?  In a week or so I should
finally have my machine back together and running...



Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:02:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Except that parking brakes on drum brake vehicles don't stop them from rolling
> backwards, especially not at high idle with a good sized V8 ...

Exactly. And many of the Lincolns and full sized Fords and Mercurys have
automatic brake releases anyway. Say, I just realized why SWMBO"s Towncar
only releases in drive while every Cadillac I have ever owned released in
Reverse and Drive.

Have a great weekend (I have Friday off!!)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:33:18 -0500
From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: Re: Front clip options

Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com> said:

>The Pacer was sold for how many years, 3 or so?  It wasn't a hot seller.
>
>The Aerostar was produced for 10 years and was a huge seller.  Slightly
>larger customer base with the Aerostar, IMHO.  Have no idea as to it's
>worthiness, however.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wish [mailto:wish ford-trucks.net]

>I'm not positive how relevant this is, but one thing to consider is the
>availability
>of parts in a few years ... the Aerostar is the only one that really scares
>me in this area, but it is something to think about ...
>
>There's a guy around here with a 57/8 Chrysl*r that's got a "late model"
>front
>clip on it to help with the better suspension and all that jazz ... only
>problem
>is this was done in about 1978...what was cheap and readily available then ?
> How about a 76 Pacer front end ?  He can't find parts for either end of his
>car at a local parts store anymore ... we had to special order ball-joints
>and such for him ...
>
>Just a word of caution.


I would agree with Wish. Whether the Mustang II front end is a spectacular
choice or not, the advantage that it has over other junkyard choices is
that it is heavily favored in the aftermarket. No, it's no longer easy to
go pull one yourself in the junkyard, but you call call up any number of
street rod vendors and get pieces that are new and will work together. I'm
an advocate of DIY and I happen to like working with original suspensions,
but if I was set on adding IFS, I would certainly consider buying something
new and going with the aftermarket that shows no sign of going away.

Having said that, I plan on lowering my van the old fashioned way --
reversed-eye, de-arched leaf springs ... harsh ride and all! :)  To really
slam it would require notching the rear frame, and that's currently out of
my league.

-don

Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA
FCA Keystone Chapter Internet Director
61 Falcon Futura, 66 Falcon Club Wagon and classic scooters



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From: "Robin Fikbohm" <droptt jbntelco.com>
Subject: 78 F-250 axles
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:04:56 -0600

I just got a 78 F-250 ,  my 1st Ford 4x4,  the rearend is in need of repair,
spider gears I think although I haven't opened it up yet.  How do I tell
what axles are under this truck?  They look(front and back) like Dana 60's
but how can I tell for sure?  I'm new to the list and Ford 4x4's so any help
is appreciated.  Also is there any listers in the Kansas area?
Rob F.
78 F-250 4x4
68 Kaiser/Jeep M725 5/4 ton ambulance


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:18:29 -0800

Mine never has.....so there! :-)  The older vehicles had really poor shifter
pawls and detents in the column.  The transmission wasn't at fault so much
as the shifter linkeage and lever on the column IMHO :-)  All the C-6's I've
messed with had awesome detents in the transmission itself but virtually all
of them had really sloppy shift levers and springs to hold them in place in
park.

Not arguing the safety issue but don't blame the poor tranny.....I love my
C-6's :-)

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)


> I want to take this opportunity to warn everyone, especially those new to
> old Ford trucks, that the C6 is well known for falling out of Park into
> Reverse when the engine is running.


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: More '79 F-350 Issues
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:21:51 -0800

I bought some generic straps at the parts store for the bronco but they were
pretty thin so I used 4 of them to be safe :-)  They look stock enough I
would think.

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> 1. The current gas-tank on my '79 F-350 is in need of some help.  Its
> currently being held in with a chain and needs something a bit more
> "legal"


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Please visit the FTE home page
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:05:09 -0500

I think I speak for all of us--- AMEN !!!!   we have all lost a family
member when we lose a Truckin' buddy.    Tim Allgire-Montpelier,Ohio.
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith <A2JKEITH GCI.NET>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:37 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: ADMIN: Please visit the FTE home page


>
>I am sure the thoughts and prayers of all will be with his family. Take a
>minute people especially around the upcoming holiday season to remember his
>family in prayer, this is going to be a rough time for them.
>```````` The Lord is my shepard, and I shall not want,
>he makes me to lie down in green pastures,
>and he leads me beside still waters,
>and he restores my soul for his namesake,
>Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
>I will fear no evil, for, his rod and his staff they comfort
me`````````````
>We do not know what tomorrow holds, but we know who holds our tomorrows,
>Go in peace Scooter,
>~Gone but not forgotten~
>Keith Price,
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Key blanks for '66 F100
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:21:32 -0500

Seems like I remember seeing the key blanks in either the LMC  Catalog or
the Dennis Carpenter Catalog.  I will have to look.It also may be in one of
the other catalogs I have too. I will get back with you on that one.
-----Original Message-----
From: skordik yahoo.com <skordik yahoo.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:48 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Fw: Key blanks for '66 F100


>
>
>> Are original key blanks still available over there in USA?
>> I've tried locally (here in Ireland) to get my original key
>> cut but they
>> said they don't stock the correct blanks but would cut the
>> key if I supply
>> the blanks. Any help would be appreciated. I know this seems
>> pretty trivial
>
>Try AutoKrafters
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autokrafters.com
>
>I think that I saw them in the latest catalog.
>
>Steve Kordik
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:01:28 -0800
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: 78 F-250 axles



Robin Fikbohm wrote:

> I just got a 78 F-250 ,  my 1st Ford 4x4,  the rearend is in need of repair,
> spider gears I think although I haven't opened it up yet.  How do I tell
> what axles are under this truck?  They look(front and back) like Dana 60's
> but how can I tell for sure?

Rob, There should be a # on the housing to the upper left of the yoke (facing
the yoke). You prob have a 60.

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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:51:27 -0600

Think it would be hard to convert it to a floor shift like on a car? =) I
think I'm gonna do that just so it can be different from most peoples

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:18 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park

Mine never has.....so there! :-)  The older vehicles had really poor shifter
pawls and detents in the column.  The transmission wasn't at fault so much
as the shifter linkeage and lever on the column IMHO :-)  All the C-6's I've
messed with had awesome detents in the transmission itself but virtually all
of them had really sloppy shift levers and springs to hold them in place in
park.

Not arguing the safety issue but don't blame the poor tranny.....I love my
C-6's :-)

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)


> I want to take this opportunity to warn everyone, especially those new to
> old Ford trucks, that the C6 is well known for falling out of Park into
> Reverse when the engine is running.

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:01:18 EST
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]C6 jumped out of Park


In a message dated 11/10/2000 6:48:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bruce9 flash.net writes:


> Think it would be hard to convert it to a floor shift like on a car? =) I
> think I'm gonna do that just so it can be different from most peoples
>

The last company I worked for had a few trucks that had floor shifters due to
an auto swapped in place of a manual.  dont as me how the worked the linkage,
but they all used the shifter out of early 80's Mustangs.  Only prob was
reachin way down to shift.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: Re: emissions
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:43:10 -0700

Whew!- I finally found the right A.I.R tube at one of the less-frequented
parts stores.  They had to special order it, and it'll take a week to get
here, but after making 30+ calls to wrecking yards, parts stores, etc...,
I'm relieved.  Thanks for all your help.
-Randy
'79 f250 supercab

-----Original Message-----

Randy Cannon wrote:

> Sorry in advance for another emissions-related post, but...
>
> I am piecing together an emissions system for a '79 f250 supercab w/460.
> (the original system was removed and discarded by PO, but is required for
> inspection purposes).  I've been unable to find an air injection tube
(metal
> tube, 3/8"-1/2" dia., bolts to rear of both heads).  Anybody know where I
> might acquire one of these?  The local ford dealer says he might be able
to
> locate one for me, but at a price I'd like to avoid. :)
> TIA for your help.
>
> -Randy


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: emissions
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:51:06 -0800

Don't want to be a downer, but I wouldn't rejoice until the part is in your
hands and then bolted to your truck.  Hopefully they ordered the right one
(and the warehouse actually has it).  Just speaking from personal
experience...

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Cannon [mailto:rcannon ussynthetic.com]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:43 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: emissions


Whew!- I finally found the right A.I.R tube at one of the less-frequented
parts stores.  They had to special order it, and it'll take a week to get
here, but after making 30+ calls to wrecking yards, parts stores, etc...,
I'm relieved.  Thanks for all your help.
-Randy
'79 f250 supercab


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From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: New to List...Question 1
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:05:03 -0700

Hey,

My name is Dan Beiers and I am the new owner of a 2wd 67 F-100.  It has a
swapped in 390, 4bbl, headers etc.  Its a T-18 manual 4 spd.

I live in downtown Denver and parallel parking is impossible.  I would like
to swap in a power steering setup.  I was told that in addition to getting a
pump, brackets, and gear, that I would also need a different shaft/column as
the steering shaft and outer column are longer in a manual steer truck.  My
question is, basically, is this true?  Could the existing column be modified
to work.  I like the looks of my stock column and also fear having to  swap
it out in terms of time.  Also what would be the best donor vehicle for
these items.  I found a 73 pickup in a bone yard with a gear, pump, and
brackets but the column is not only aesthetically displeasing but appears to
be quite a bit different than my 67's.  Any tips on this swap or write-up
locations would be very helpful.

Also what is the maximum tire size I can fit on this truck without
disturbing anything.  It looks like 30x9.5 would fit fine but that 31's
might be a bit tight.  Anyone with these tire sizes on a similar truck?

Thanks for your time

Dan


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: New to List...Question 1
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:18:23 -0800

Dad has a '67 F100 2wd SB and he has 30x9.50's on the front and 31x10.50's
on the back.
His truck had been converted to PS when he got it in '82.  We don't know for
sure what vehicle the box and pump came out of, but the pump looks late
70's/early '80's Ford (plastic reservoir with big plastic cap.  The stock
column was retained, but I don't know what if anything was done to it.  Had
to replace the pressure hose a couple years back and used one specified for
a mid 80's Econoline with the 300-6 (dad has the 240).

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Beiers [mailto:dbeiers rmpprestress.com]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:05 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] New to List...Question 1


Hey,

My name is Dan Beiers and I am the new owner of a 2wd 67 F-100.  It has a
swapped in 390, 4bbl, headers etc.  Its a T-18 manual 4 spd.

I live in downtown Denver and parallel parking is impossible.  I would like
to swap in a power steering setup.  I was told that in addition to getting a
pump, brackets, and gear, that I would also need a different shaft/column as
the steering shaft and outer column are longer in a manual steer truck.  My
question is, basically, is this true?  Could the existing column be modified
to work.  I like the looks of my stock column and also fear having to  swap
it out in terms of time.  Also what would be the best donor vehicle for
these items.  I found a 73 pickup in a bone yard with a gear, pump, and
brackets but the column is not only aesthetically displeasing but appears to
be quite a bit different than my 67's.  Any tips on this swap or write-up
locations would be very helpful.

Also what is the maximum tire size I can fit on this truck without
disturbing anything.  It looks like 30x9.5 would fit fine but that 31's
might be a bit tight.  Anyone with these tire sizes on a similar truck?

Thanks for your time

Dan

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:39:38 EST
Subject: PAINT QUESTION

Hey guys! *hugs* Well, I think I realized I can't find anyone to do a decent
camo paint job around here *sniffle~sob* so I am gonna have to go with Maaco
or Earl Schieb! I want to know this: I am planning on doing a spray on
bedliner in my truck, should I do it BEFORE or AFTER the paint job since I
dont think they'll paint the inside of my bed. Also, do they have like a book
of colors and stuff I can look at to decide what color I want? Thanks a lot
guys! Any other info would help!

*~*~Lisa and ENVY~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*

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