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61-79-list Digest Thu, 02 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 322

In This Issue:
Re: what cfm?
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: what cfm?
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: dizzy fix
Anyone need a cab?
Re: Anyone need a cab?
Re: Anyone need a cab?
61-79-list] Re: Anyone need a cab?
Re: what cfm?
Dual Point Distributor
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Steering box problems
tires rub headers
FE iron headers
Re: Trailer Special or not?
Re: Trailer Special or not?
Re: Steering box problems
300 4bbl SIGH
Re: ADMIN: SEMA Show / Meet the web master
Re: 300 4bbl SIGH

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:03:11 -0500
From: "JB MCIWorld" <jeffrey.bennett mciworld.com>
Subject: Re: what cfm?

I have a 302 2V in my truck that is completely stock. I was thinking
of putting on a 4v and upgrading the cam slightly above stock. The
reason is that when I pull my camper, it lacks up hill power. Do you
all think this would help. I've also been toying with the idea of putting
in a 460/C6 I have, but this is a light duty truck, and I was wanting to
put the 460 in a 250 camper special.

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>
>
> John,
> I put the same edelbrock intake (performer 289) on my cougar. i dropped a
> 600cfm on it. it bogs down every-now-and-then.... but performs really
> well. that's with the stock 302 cam.
>
> John Borek wrote:
>
> > I have a 1976 f-100 with a stock 302 2V with dual exhaust and an
> > automatic.  I bought a edelbrock performer 289 4V intake for cheap and
> > would like to know what carb to get for it.  Would a 500 cfm 4V
> > edelbrock be too big?
> >
> > thanks,
> > John
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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:04:44 -0800


>
>
> To the awesome Brain trust of the lists ;),
> A little background before the questions. I currently live in
> Oklahoma which is not known for Snow
> or other cold weather anomalies that much of the northern
> part of the country experiences, and now
> I am moving to Colorado for a new job. My question to the
> list is this, is a 4x4 truck a necessity
> in Colorado?!?!? Would a Dually handle the snow very well??
> are there any other suggestions that
> anyone on the list could give to help me prepare for the
> transition between a very mild climate to
> one that tends to be a little colder?!?!?!
>
> Any tips and or help is highly appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> Paul
> 65 F100 460 C6
> 96 F150 5.0 (not 4 wheel, might sell)
>



I'm living in Maine now.  I am currently running a set of Sears Trailhandler
Radial APT tires.  I have been very happy with them in the snow on the road.
The locals hear say you don't want wider tires on snow cause it tends to
hydroplane (is that what you would call it on snow?) much easier.  They
prefer narrower tires to help cut through the snow.

In my experience on the streets a 2wd with chains and sensible driving
habits can be more suitable on a snow covered road than a 4X4 and an
'invincible' driver.  Put a tube of sand in the bed and you have dual
advantages of extra weight over the wheels and a traction aid you can
scatter in front of the wheels to get you going.  Find a small snow shovel
to keep in the truck in case you get plowed into a parking place while at
work (don't ask).

On the street I wouldn't drive a 4X4 any different than a 2wd.  The 4x4 can
get you started a little easier sometimes but you still need to maintain
control and be able to stop.  Usually when I'm in a snow storm I don't go
much over 25 mph.  In most places after the first day the storm is over the
streets are clear anyway.

Tom H.

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:56:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)

>The locals hear say you don't want wider tires on snow cause it tends to
>hydroplane (is that what you would call it on snow?) much easier.  They
>prefer narrower tires to help cut through the snow.
>

That's the way we do it here ... heavy truck = narrow tires to bite down through
the snow ... light truck (Bronco II, Ranger, etc.) wide tires to sit on it so
you don't get bogged down into it.   This "theory" is based on a couple of assumptions
though:

1) the big truck has enough power to spin all 4 tires if they are bogged down
in snow/mud

2) the snow won't hold the bigger truck up anyway, so why try, let the light
ones run around ON the snow.

This is also assuming you are out to get somewhere, not just have fun :) In
the case of having fun only, put the wide tires on :)


>In my experience on the streets a 2wd with chains and sensible driving
>habits can be more suitable on a snow covered road than a 4X4 and an
>'invincible' driver.

Its all about the driver ... the real advantage of 4x4 is only realized when
the driver is aware that he's not invincible and has to get somewhere in one
piece.


>  Find a small snow shovel
>to keep in the truck in case you get plowed into a parking place while at
>work (don't ask).
>

This goes for 4x4's too ... I've pulled into a space only to have it freeze
solid while I was inside (usually at school so it had DAYS to freeze)

>On the street I wouldn't drive a 4X4 any different than a 2wd.

Obviously you haven't driven a 4x4 very much in the snow, they corner completely
differently in 4wd ...


> The 4x4 can
>get you started a little easier sometimes but you still need to maintain
>control and be able to stop.


AMEN ... I"m cringing already thinking of all the stupid moves I've seen on
dry pavement this month and wondering what on earth will happen when the snow
comes next month ...

> Usually when I'm in a snow storm I don't go
>much over 25 mph.  In most places after the first day the storm is over the

>streets are clear anyway.
>

Wimp ;)  But yeah, maintain a reasonable speed ... 25mph will get you hit around
here, but that's because the tractors do 27 in top gear ... oh and its "flat"
;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:05:23 -0500
From: John Borek <jpb222 psu.edu>
Subject: Re: what cfm?

Negativeimage,

how difficult was the swap?  What all did I need in addition to the
intake the carb and the gaskets?  Can it be done in an evening if I can
get all the old bolts out without too much trouble?

thanks alot for your help everyone!

>John,
>I put the same edelbrock intake (performer 289) on my cougar. i dropped
a
>600cfm on it. it bogs down every-now-and-then.... but performs really
>well. that's with the stock 302 cam.

>John Borek wrote:

>> I have a 1976 f-100 with a stock 302 2V with dual exhaust and an
>> automatic.  I bought a edelbrock performer 289 4V intake for cheap
and
>>would like to know what carb to get for it.  Would a 500 cfm 4V
>> edelbrock be too big?
>>
>> thanks,
>> John


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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:21:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Rozell <prozell yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)


--- daves8 juno.com wrote:
> Paul.
>
> I've lived in Colorado for 38 years and driven here for 31.
>
> What part of Colorado are you going to?  That will make a difference.
>
> Dave Schoenberg
> Denver
>

Dave,
I am moving to the Loveland, Ft. Collins area. And yes the snow is much better than the ice storms
we get in Oklahoma.

Paul



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From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:14:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)

>From: Paul Rozell <prozell yahoo.com>
>
>I am moving to Colorado for a new job. My
>question to the list is this, is a 4x4 truck a
>necessity in Colorado?!?!? Would a Dually
>handle the snow very well??

Yo Paul:

Since I live in Colorado, I'll throw in my 0.02 worth of thoughts.

In some places, not only is a 4x4 a necessity, but a set of four tire chains is
a necessity.  If you're moving to one of the larger metro areas (e.g., Denver,
Colo Springs, etc.), a 4x4 can be real nice at times, but probably not a
necessity.  I've actually had to lock in the front hubs just to get out of icy
diagonal parking spots on an overly crowned street!

As for getting stuck, just like some people can keep out of trouble w/ 4x2s,
some people can keep out of trouble w/ 4x4s, too.  It's the classic "nut behind
the wheel" problem.

>are there any
>other suggestions that anyone on the list
>could give to help me prepare for the
>transition between a very mild climate to
>one that tends to be a little colder?!?!?!

Prepare your vehicles for cold weather operation.  Make sure your
antifreeze/coolant is good, make sure the battery is good, and make sure the
choke and cold temp operation of your engine is up to spec.  Otherwise, pay
attention to the basic maintenance issues to keep them from escalating to the
point of stranding you in unpleasant conditions.  If you plan to drive a lot in
less populated areas, carry a winter survival kit.

Where are you moving to?

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: skordik yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:47:46 -0600

Paul,

I used to live in Ft. Collins, SWMBO is from there, and now I live in
Wisconsin. I have had both 4wd and 2wd trucks in both states. You don't need
4wd in the area that you are moving to unless you plane on living up in the
foothills west of town, and then it is debatable. The key as has been said
before is to have good tires, extra weight in the back (sand is great) and
take it easy. Remember that your stopping distances will be different 4wd or
not. Tire chains will make a big difference, but it is rare to get so much
snow in Loveland that you really need them.

That said, 4wd are a lot of fun in the snow and you can have a good time
with them. As wish said, you can also really get stuck with one when you do
get stuck. I have a friend in Wyoming that gave up his 4wd and now has the
philosophy that if he can't get there with 2wd and chains, he doesn't need
to be there.

Steve Kordik



> I am moving to the Loveland, Ft. Collins area. And yes the
> snow is much better than the ice storms
> we get in Oklahoma.
>
> Paul


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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:57:55 -0600

Steve,
Where in Wisconsin are you from?
I'm from Green Bay.
_-Don-_

> Paul,
>
> I used to live in Ft. Collins, SWMBO is from there, and now I live in
> Wisconsin. I have had both 4wd and 2wd trucks in both states. You don't
need
> 4wd in the area that you are moving to unless you plane on living up in
the
> foothills west of town, and then it is debatable. The key as has been said
> before is to have good tires, extra weight in the back (sand is great) and
> take it easy. Remember that your stopping distances will be different 4wd
or
> not. Tire chains will make a big difference, but it is rare to get so much
> snow in Loveland that you really need them.
>
> That said, 4wd are a lot of fun in the snow and you can have a good time
> with them. As wish said, you can also really get stuck with one when you
do
> get stuck. I have a friend in Wyoming that gave up his 4wd and now has the
> philosophy that if he can't get there with 2wd and chains, he doesn't need
> to be there.
>
> Steve Kordik
>
>
>
> > I am moving to the Loveland, Ft. Collins area. And yes the
> > snow is much better than the ice storms
> > we get in Oklahoma.
> >
> > Paul
>
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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: dizzy fix
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:32:02 GMT

Thanks Gary.  I'll grab my two favorite giant screwdrivers and give it a
try.

See what happens...

Marty
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:25:19 EST
Subject: Anyone need a cab?


Ive got a 78 F-250 2wd drive cab for sale.  It was a work truck, so its a
little dinged here and there, and the roof needs a little attn ( the owner
fell off his roof, landed on the cab, nother case of a life saving Ford) But
the postive side is the cab is completely rust free.  Bought new in AZ, and
moved here to Vegas about 15 yrs ago.  If anyone is interested, name your
price.  If I dont get any offers (and any offer will make it yours....) Its
going back to the original plan of being cut up and hauled to the scrap yard.
Just wanted you rust belt guys to have a chance at it first.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone need a cab?
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:30:38 -0600

Darrell.
How bad is the roof?
and would a 2wd cab fit on a 4wd truck?
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>
> Ive got a 78 F-250 2wd drive cab for sale.  It was a work truck, so its a
> little dinged here and there, and the roof needs a little attn ( the owner
> fell off his roof, landed on the cab, nother case of a life saving Ford)
But
> the postive side is the cab is completely rust free.  Bought new in AZ,
and
> moved here to Vegas about 15 yrs ago.  If anyone is interested, name your
> price.  If I dont get any offers (and any offer will make it yours....)
Its
> going back to the original plan of being cut up and hauled to the scrap
yard.
>  Just wanted you rust belt guys to have a chance at it first.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:07:05 EST
Subject: Re: Anyone need a cab?

In a message dated 11/2/00 2:31:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
don.thurlow greenbaynet.com writes:

<< Darrell.
How bad is the roof?
and would a 2wd cab fit on a 4wd truck? >>

The roof is basically just a giant oil can dent, not buckled or anything.  I
can take pics if you like.  As far as swapping to a 4wd, I know the front
mounts are the same, not sure about the rears though.  I think they are, but
maybe someone else can fill us in better.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:42:10 EST
Subject: 61-79-list] Re: Anyone need a cab?

HEy Don, I talked with the powers that be, and the cabs are the same, they
just punched the holes they needed accordingly.  If the holes arent what you
need, just plug em off, and punch the right ones out.  Should already have
the proper indentaions.  Also this cab doesnt have A/C, but if you need it,
just cut the right hole into the cowl.  Only other thing is its red, with a
white roof.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:31:48 -0800
From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: what cfm?

the swap took up maybe 50 minutes... but then again we cleaned everything.
we took off the valve covers, all the gaskets in the valve covers, intake,
and carb, and resealed everything. i had to use a 1" riser on the bottom of
my carb.... in order for it to clear the valve covers (then again i don't
have stock covers on)

John Borek wrote:

> Negativeimage,
>
> how difficult was the swap?  What all did I need in addition to the
> intake the carb and the gaskets?  Can it be done in an evening if I can
> get all the old bolts out without too much trouble?
>
> thanks alot for your help everyone!
>
> >John,
> >I put the same edelbrock intake (performer 289) on my cougar. i dropped
> a
> >600cfm on it. it bogs down every-now-and-then.... but performs really
> >well. that's with the stock 302 cam.
>
> >John Borek wrote:
>
> >> I have a 1976 f-100 with a stock 302 2V with dual exhaust and an
> >> automatic.  I bought a edelbrock performer 289 4V intake for cheap
> and
> >>would like to know what carb to get for it.  Would a 500 cfm 4V
> >> edelbrock be too big?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> John
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:13:33 -0800
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Dual Point Distributor

>I would like to have one I can convert to a Pertronix type system.
>This will be going on a 450 horse 390, that I hope to install the Holley TBI >injection setup on also. Do you think this will work with this distributor??


The problem I found with FE distributors is that the newest one is 25
years old!I went through 3 rebuilt dists. and never did get a good one.
I finally got a Mallory Uni-Lite for mine and have ran it for about 8
years with no problems.MSD also makes a quality dist.for FEs.
BTW what did you do to your 390 to get 450 horses?
I'm getting ready to pull my 428 and improve the oiling,add more cam and
do a little head work.I'm shooting for 375-400 horses.

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:56:45 -0800

Uh........well........I put a 48 GMC bus axle under a 67 F-100 because I
wanted a HD truck and I happened to have the axle sitting there.  Funny
thing was that the Carrier bearing spline fit right into the carrier bearing
in the F-100 so I was able to use the shortened GMC drive shaft as is except
for shortening it.

Anyhooooooo, it had 7.50 x 20" truck snow tires on it and it was absolutely
useless in the snow unless I had a car hung from the back end  (put a
wrecker dohicky on it, home made of course :-))

A 2wd dually is designed to haul loads in excess of 2 tons easilly (even
though it's called a one ton) so the tires are sized for this which makes
them much too large for traction when the truck is unloaded.  The trick in
winter, if you do not have to haul heavy loads, is to remove one of the
wheels on each side and run just one tire to gain back your "Normal"
traction but I'd still put some weight in it like we do for normal pickups
in winter.  Best winter I ever had with a 2wd was when I threw about 800# of
concrete block in the back.  Tough on mileage but she sure handled nice :-)

In many places in those mountain states the police won't even let you drive
without chains in your vehicle.  I once went through a storm in a Pinto but
had chains which the police confirmed before letting me go on up in to the
mountians.  I keep asking but no one seems to know of a town called
Arappaho, Nebraska.  Maybe I saw the sign on the way or something but I
could swear the town I wound up in was called Arappaho.  Next morning I got
up and couldn't find my car.....snow was about 4' deep and I had to work at
it to get the door to the motel open.  I was following a semi all the way up
there and he was knocking the snow down to a height the pinto could handle
with the chains.....what a trip :-)  I even tried chains on all four wheels
once and was going past 4x4's left and right in about 2' of snow.  They had
roads close all over the place and I was one of very few even able to
move......that pinto was pretty awesome :-)

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> in Colorado?!?!? Would a Dually handle the snow very well?? are there any
other suggestions that
> anyone on the list could give to help me prepare for the transition
between a very mild climate to
> one that tends to be a little colder?!?!?!



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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:37:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Art Verling <art.verling excite.com>
Subject: Steering box problems

Last week I posted a question about replacing my front end with a MII front
clip prefab unit. I think I am just going to repair my steering box and
rebuild the front end. Who can I call to rebuild the steering box? Do I just
try the 74 F100 power steering change over? Power steering would be nice
with the wide tires I am sporting. Someone said to try to adjust the
steering box, but it has a weird grumbling feeling inside when I turn the
wheel. I think it is past its prime. I would appreciate any comments.
Thanks,
Art Verling
64 F100
art.verling excite.com





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From: "Charles T." <charlest hal-pc.org>
Subject: tires rub headers
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:49:40 -0800


I have a 1979 F150 4x4 with L&L headers that exit out the fenderwell. For a mental photo- the headers(and exhaust) go back between the frame and the radius arms. The truck has a 4 inch susp. lift and 36" tall tires. When turning, the tire hit the headers.
Other than getting smaller tires and/or wheels with little or no back spacing, what can I do? Surely someone has had this problem before?   CharlesT


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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:45:08 EST
Subject: FE iron headers

Did the genltleman who asked about the clearance issue when installing a 390
with cast headers in a 67-72 era F-100 ever get an answer?  I inadvertenly
deleted my old mail before I got to read it all.

Thanks,
Nate

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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:00:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Trailer Special or not?

At 12:42 AM 01:11:2000 -0500, Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:
>I have a 78 F-150 that is a trailer special & all it has to identify it is a
>emblem on the tailgate that says trailer special.

What's it got for power?
What's it got for rear end gears?

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Trailer Special or not?
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 01:02:39 -0500

It has a 351 M  for an engine & I'm not sure what it has for rear
gears(never really paid attention)  its my work truck.
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Date: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:09 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Trailer Special or not?


>At 12:42 AM 01:11:2000 -0500, Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:
>>I have a 78 F-150 that is a trailer special & all it has to identify it is
a
>>emblem on the tailgate that says trailer special.
>
> What's it got for power?
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:23:16 -0500
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Steering box problems

>Last week I posted a question about replacing my front end with a MII front
>clip prefab unit. I think I am just going to repair my steering box and
>rebuild the front end. Who can I call to rebuild the steering box? Do I just
>try the 74 F100 power steering change over? Power steering would be nice
>with the wide tires I am sporting. Someone said to try to adjust the
>steering box, but it has a weird grumbling feeling inside when I turn the
>wheel. I think it is past its prime. I would appreciate any comments.

When all attempts at finding somebody failed, I called my local Ford dealer
and they rebuilt my box for about $150. Just don't pay dealer prices for
the rebuild kit...$80 versus $15 for the aftermarket one I got instead.

Unless you want to try doing it yourself...I'd use a spare one if it's your
first attempt. I still have a spare box hanging around I've been meaning to
try rebuilding...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:33:36 -0500
From: somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Subject: 300 4bbl SIGH

Any of you folks out there waiting for me to post pics from my 300 4bbl
bolt-on, don't hold your breath.  Carb, cables and bracket arrived from
Summit the day after I ordered(!).  Manifold and spacer arrived 2 weeks
after I ordered from Clifford, with a nice note saying the headers are on
backorder.  I'm still waiting to hear back from their customer service on
a delivery date.  Very frustrating, though I suppose I should expect it.
After all, inline 6 hotrodding ain't exactly a high demand market...

So, to fill the time, I've been looking underneath to figure out what
kind of exhaust to run.  The county we live in has no inspection laws
whatsoever, so I don't need to worry about appearing stock.

The header is dual outlet, so I theoretically could run true dual exhaust.
My wife votes for this (with glass packs) for the sound/coolness factor.
Actually, she voted for scrapping the 6 in favor of a V8--"they sound
cooler"--but money and time's an issue here :).

Since this is a 4x4 (78 F150), there ain't a whole lot of clearance to
run typical "centered duals".  So I'm thinking they'd either have to
run parallel along the passenger side frame rail and both exit on that
side, if I want equal length pipes, or they'd have to take the same
route and then split somewhere around the rear axle to exit in the
traditional under-the bumper manner.  In the latter case, the driver
side pipe would end up a good 6 feet longer than the passenger side one.
That can't be good for drivability...

Then, I suppose I could run 2 into 1.  I would guess that probably would
give better low end oomph, but I'm also betting that would make the
truck sound like a school bus :).

Anyone have any experience to share on this?

--sean

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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:57:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> .that pinto was pretty awesome :-)

It was the chains. I never leave home without them. I once scoured the town
for a set to fit my 3/4 ton because snow and ice were forecast. I had a 17
mile trip to work. I didn't care about getting to work, I wanted to be able
to get home. Everyone guffawed at my chain hunt until the next day when I
was moving and no one else was. I drove on the gravel shoulder instead of
out on the iced over pavement. Ah, the folly of youth. BTW, chains work
pretty good in mud, too. Sure is a mess to clean up.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:24:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: SEMA Show / Meet the web master

FTE (Ken and Peggy Payne) will be at Cozymels (Mexican)on Paradize
and Flamingo in Las Vegas on Saturday at 1:00pm.  We'll have several
FTE t-shirts to give to any FTE users that show up.  Look forward
to meeting some of you!

We're staying at the Days Inn, room 3031 if you need to get in touch
with us.

Ken,
FTE Admin

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From: "Jim McCarty" <mccartyjim hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 300 4bbl SIGH
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:01:06 CST

have you considered a larger single pipe.  My motorhome V8 engine is one and
a half times larger than your 300 ci and I run each bank into a single 2.5"
pipe and then merge those two into a single 3.5" exhaust system.
Mathematically, it flow just a tad less that dual 2.5" pipes, but more than
dual 2" pipes.  I would think a single pipe, if larger that 2", would flow
very well - and save the cost of one muffler.

BTW, my motorhome sounds much cooler than the duals on the '73 F100 with 390
and 2" pipes.

----Original Message Follows----

Then, I suppose I could run 2 into 1.  I would guess that probably would
give better low end oomph, but I'm also betting that would make the ....


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