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61-79-list Digest Wed, 01 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 320

In This Issue:
Re: oil spitting exhaust
Re: Steering (Again!)
Re: Bottom tabs on 78 Bumper
Update and weld question.
Re: Bottom tabs on 78 Bumper
Re: Update and weld question.
dizzy fix
Re: Update and weld question.
Re: Steering (Again!)
Re: Update and weld question.
Re: Steering (Again!)
Re: Update and weld question.
Re: Update and weld question.
Re: Update and weld question.
Dual Point Distributor
Re: 351M vs. 400- Same Harmonic Balancer?
Re: Update and weld question.
Re: Dual Point Distributor
Re: Update and weld question.
429/460
Re: Steering (Again!) D60 front?
Re: Steering (Again!) D60 front?
D60 front?
Re: 429/460
Re: 429/460
Re: oil spitting exhaust
Re: D60 front?

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:47:26 GMT
Subject: Re: oil spitting exhaust

>If your exhaust exits straight out at horizontal, the dispersion rate
>probably scatters the spots so that you don't notice. But if your exhaust
>turns down and you are on concrete, you will almost always get a black
>splatter spot on your drive where you first crank the cold engine.
>
>In short, some splatter is normal IMHO. Hope this helps.
>

You should see the back wall of the garages where we store our cars for the
winter ... we back the cars in all the time and there are some pretty good carbon
marks behind the hotter ones ... the Cougar with its straight pointing rear
pipes and hopped up 351 has a pair of nice spots on the wall behind it ... every
car we've stored, even my fuel injected Mustang, but to a lesser extent) has
done this.
Just my $.02
wish

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73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Dave Emerick" <djemerick hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steering (Again!)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:37:28 EST

>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:38:21 -0500
>From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
>Subject: Re: Steering (Again!)

>Hi all.....
>
>I asked over the weekend, but received no response....so I'll ask again !
>
>Does anyone have any diagrams of the '78/79 F250 4x4 steering set-up?
>My two Ford truck manuals show nothing...

>Which manuals are you referring to? The Ford factory shop manuals? >Also,
>what exactly are you interested in. I skimmed through my manual but >it
>doesn't have one complete diagram of an F250 4x4 setup - tends to >have
>multiple diagrams showing different areas  but no one complete >diagram
>showing the entire front end...


>David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
>"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
>"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
>"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
>Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada

I am specifically looking how the later steering box (78-79), pitman arm,
and drag link are mounted on these trucks.  I've got the '75 ram assist, and
have found a later box,and arm but am not sure how the box and pitman arm,
and drag link are situated to the frame... it's great to read how to convert
the older assist styles, but having not seen how the steering was set-up on
the original truck, makes it mighty difficult to guess....hence, would like
diagrams/pictures of how these components are mounted to give me a point of
reference. It doesn't have to be a complete steering set-up... a couple
individual diagrams would be great showing the box mounting, and swing of
the pitman arm.  That's it !

Thanks !

Dave


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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bottom tabs on 78 Bumper
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:37:43 GMT

<snip>
I remember awhile back, someone asked what the holed tabs were
for on the
bottom of their front bumper.  While tearing apart a 78 F-250, I
stumbled on
the answer.  There are small strut braces that go from these
hole to the
frame.  On this truck, its at the forward sway bar mounting
hole.  Just
thought Id pass this along.

Darrell & Tweety
<snip>

That was me, thanks Darrell.  The '78 F100 that I got the bumper off of
didn't have these braces that you talk about, not even any evidence of a
bolt ever in the holes.  May be it was a F250 thing...

Thanks any ways, my curiosity is satisfied for now...

Marty
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:43:15 GMT
Subject: Update and weld question.


Well, dunno how many of you have been following the axle swap on my truck, but
its made some major headway in the last week.  I got the axle clear out from
under the truck (the old one) and dropped off the new and old one to be sand
blasted (just the new one of course) ... they're switching a known good set
of gears in as well.

This all brought up a question ... he wanted to weld up the axle tubes to the
center section ... I told him it wasn't really necessary since the truck is
mostly street driven, and frankly I'm too big a wuss to be jumping it ... but
now I'm thinking it might be extra insurance ...

what do you guys think, weld it up or just leave it the way the factory did
?

Just my $.02
wish

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73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Bottom tabs on 78 Bumper
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:47:29 -0600

I don't see any bolts on my f-250.... so hmmm

<snip>
>
> That was me, thanks Darrell.  The '78 F100 that I got the bumper off of
> didn't have these braces that you talk about, not even any evidence of a
> bolt ever in the holes.  May be it was a F250 thing...
>
> Thanks any ways, my curiosity is satisfied for now...
>
> Marty
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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:48:34 -0600

Well is it cost effective?   I'd do it just because once in awhile you wanna
play, and usualy when you play you beat on your truck a little.

-Don

>
> Well, dunno how many of you have been following the axle swap on my truck,
but
> its made some major headway in the last week.  I got the axle clear out
from
> under the truck (the old one) and dropped off the new and old one to be
sand
> blasted (just the new one of course) ... they're switching a known good
set
> of gears in as well.
>
> This all brought up a question ... he wanted to weld up the axle tubes to
the
> center section ... I told him it wasn't really necessary since the truck
is
> mostly street driven, and frankly I'm too big a wuss to be jumping it ...
but
> now I'm thinking it might be extra insurance ...
>
> what do you guys think, weld it up or just leave it the way the factory
did
> ?
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: dizzy fix
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:47:15 GMT

I was messing with my Duaraspark dizzy in my '73 390 and noticed that the
mechanical advance doesn't move the way I think it should.  It will turn a
little like it is supposed to, but it doesn't snap back.  I am assuming that
it is a little gummed up.  What is the best way to get in there and
clean/lube it up?  Spray a healthy amount of WD40 in there and hope I get
it? - I don't like doing things that way.

I see that the "gear" (for lack of a better term) for the electronic pickup
has a rollpin in it, and won't move with a little prying action.  Do I need
a puller to get that off, or does it even have to come off?  What is the
best way to go about this?  Are there any parts that should be replaced
while I have it apart? - pins, bushings, bearings, springs?

I'd appreciate any help you could give me.

Marty
*digest mode*
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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:49:07 -0600

More or less i was saying.  Is it cheap enough to have done or to just
replace the axle again?

-Don

>
> Well, dunno how many of you have been following the axle swap on my truck,
but
> its made some major headway in the last week.  I got the axle clear out
from
> under the truck (the old one) and dropped off the new and old one to be
sand
> blasted (just the new one of course) ... they're switching a known good
set
> of gears in as well.
>
> This all brought up a question ... he wanted to weld up the axle tubes to
the
> center section ... I told him it wasn't really necessary since the truck
is
> mostly street driven, and frankly I'm too big a wuss to be jumping it ...
but
> now I'm thinking it might be extra insurance ...
>
> what do you guys think, weld it up or just leave it the way the factory
did
> ?
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Keith" <A2JKEITH GCI.NET>
Subject: Re: Steering (Again!)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:39:11 -0900


--Well dave, If you dont have the front axle and such from the 78-79 just
stop your project right there, if you just do a straight conversion, you
will notice a 78-79 has the cross member that angles back and sits back
about 8 inches farther on the driver side then the passenger. The problem
you are going to run into is that you will have to chop the top off of your
cross member to make the steering box sit flush so the pitman doesnt hit the
springs when you turn or if you off road at all. There are two ways I have
seen to make the conversion work. The first is use a '70 2wd power steering
box, have the springs rearched and add a spring to make the front sit higher
so if the spring flexes it wont snap the pitman. The Second way is to use an
End of the Frame mounting Dodge Saginaw box, and use a drop pitman that will
allow it to clear the springs. Also, you will probably want to have a few
friends around and  a few days to do this,
preferably sober, so you can work them hard, then give them the beer so they
forget what a jerk you were 6 hours ago :o)
Best of luck to ya,
Keith
71 F250 4x4

>I am specifically looking how the later steering box (78-79), pitman arm,
>and drag link are mounted on these trucks.  I've got the '75 ram assist,
and
>have found a later box,and arm but am not sure how the box and pitman arm,
>and drag link are situated to the frame... it's great to read how to
convert
>the older assist styles, but having not seen how the steering was set-up on
>the original truck, makes it mighty difficult to guess....hence, would like
>diagrams/pictures of how these components are mounted to give me a point of
>reference. It doesn't have to be a complete steering set-up... a couple
>individual diagrams would be great showing the box mounting, and swing of
>the pitman arm.  That's it !
>
>Thanks !
>
>Dave
>
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:53:06 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.

wish wrote:
>
> Well, dunno how many of you have been following the axle swap on my truck, but
> its made some major headway in the last week.  I got the axle clear out from
> under the truck (the old one) and dropped off the new and old one to be sand
> blasted (just the new one of course) ... they're switching a known good set
> of gears in as well.
>
> This all brought up a question ... he wanted to weld up the axle tubes to the
> center section ... I told him it wasn't really necessary since the truck is
> mostly street driven, and frankly I'm too big a wuss to be jumping it ... but
> now I'm thinking it might be extra insurance ...
>
> what do you guys think, weld it up or just leave it the way the factory did

I jumped my 78 with 32's when it was bone stock about 40 times. Only
problem I had was bent front axle from slamming it into the frame ;-).
140,000 mile 9" never whimpered. I'd say why bother, might just distort
housing or introduce internal stresses if not done right. If they were
trussing it, then I might consider it. For street driving or even fairly
heavy duty wheeling, I don't see the point.

                                 OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:10:01 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Steering (Again!)

Here is the basic steering setup, lifted about 7 inches :-).

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/BRONC_DETAILS/frtsusp.jpg

                                OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:22:50 EST
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.

In a message dated 11/1/00 11:40:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:

<< This all brought up a question ... he wanted to weld up the axle tubes to
the
center section ... >>

I've been told that this will actually weaken the axle.  Couple of tuff truck
guys told me, and they beat the snot out of their rigs,,,,,  It has something
to do with the center section being cast.  The heat from welding crystalizes
the surrounding metal.  I'd just leave well enough alone.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:33:54 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.



JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/1/00 11:40:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> wish ford-trucks.net writes:
>
> << This all brought up a question ... he wanted to weld up the axle tubes to
> the
>  center section ... >>
>
> I've been told that this will actually weaken the axle.  Couple of tuff truck
> guys told me, and they beat the snot out of their rigs,,,,,  It has something
> to do with the center section being cast.  The heat from welding crystalizes
> the surrounding metal.  I'd just leave well enough alone.
>

Aren't we talking 9" (in other words all sheet metal??)

                         OX


> Darrell & Tweety
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78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:03:58 -0800

9" rears axle tubes are welded all the way around from the factory...aren't
they?

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: James Oxley [mailto:luxjo thecore.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:34 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Update and weld question.




JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/1/00 11:40:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> wish ford-trucks.net writes:
>
> << This all brought up a question ... he wanted to weld up the axle tubes
to
> the
>  center section ... >>
>
> I've been told that this will actually weaken the axle.  Couple of tuff
truck
> guys told me, and they beat the snot out of their rigs,,,,,  It has
something
> to do with the center section being cast.  The heat from welding
crystalizes
> the surrounding metal.  I'd just leave well enough alone.
>

Aren't we talking 9" (in other words all sheet metal??)

                         OX


> Darrell & Tweety
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boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)
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From: "gene baker" <bakergene hotmail.com>
Subject: Dual Point Distributor
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:37:26 CST

Ok,
I read all you guys e-mails, but hardly ever speak up, but I have a kinda
stupid question.
I am thinking about purchasing this distributor from Dave (on the list) and
I want to know if this will work for what I have in mind (see below)?


You are aware that this is a dual-point distributor and not electronic,
right?
So is this a good distributor to have or what??
I would like to have one I can convert to a Pertronix type system. This will
be going on a 450 horse 390, that I hope to install the Holley TBI injection
setup on also. Do you think this will work with this distributor??

Thanks,
Gene
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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351M vs. 400- Same Harmonic Balancer?
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:57:19 -0800

I'd take it a step further and say that if you were to have the 400 crank
assembly (flywheel/flexplate, crank, balancer) balanced with a 351M balancer
then I'll bet everything would be hunky dory right up through the RPM range.
FWIW Fluidampr lists a single part # for the 351M/400 series motors. Don't
know if it's the nature of the damper i.e. fluid or what.

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To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>; "James Oxley" <luxjo thecore.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:56 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351M vs. 400- Same Harmonic Balancer?


>
> Offhand, and pending more research on this, I'd speculate that the 351M
and 400
> crankshafts had slightly different balance, but since they both use the
same
> flywheel and flex plate, the difference was apparently small enough to
make it
> up with the balancer alone.  I'd bet there are a lot of M-blocks out there
w/
> the wrong balancers on the front (especially 351Ms rebuilt as 400s) and
their
> integrity is probably only slightly compromised.  The difference might be
small
> enough to not have much adverse effect in the rpm range most of these
engines
> operate.




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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:59:28 EST
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.

In a message dated 11/1/00 8:36:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!, luxjo thecore.com
writes:

<< Aren't we talking 9" (in other words all sheet metal??) >>

ohhh yeahh........... Im thinkin Dana axles.......

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Point Distributor
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:03:00 -0600

Gene, as a boating and motorcycle enthusiast, let me say that two sets of
points take twice as long to set. I have nothing against points, and even
may switch my '70 F100 back to them. It's just that an electronic is
virtually maintanance free, and will provide many, many miles of trouble
free driving. Personally, I would hold out for an electronic system. No
offense, Dave!
Jason Kendrick

----- Original Message -----
gene baker wrote;

> I am thinking about purchasing this (points) distributor from Dave (on the
list) and
> I want to know if this will work for what I have in mind (see below)?





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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:39:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Update and weld question.

>>> I've been told that this will actually weaken the axle.  Couple of tuff truck

>> guys told me, and they beat the snot out of their rigs,,,,,  It has something

>> to do with the center section being cast.  The heat from welding crystalizes

>> the surrounding metal.  I'd just leave well enough alone.
>>
>

I seem to remember some discussion of this, and that was the first thing that
popped into my head when he said to weld it up was "INTERNAL STRESSES!" ...
I guess I'll just leave well enough alone then, its been in there for 25+ years,
it autta stay a few more :)


> Aren't we talking 9" (in other words all sheet metal??)
>

No, you guys were right the first time ... D44, its a front axle.

If you guys know of anyone lookin for some narrowed 44's lemme know, he's got
a pair of them with 4.56 gears and moser axles ... I think he meant front and
rear by Pair ... set up for coil springs on the front at least ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "HPguy" <HPguy netzero.net>
Subject: 429/460
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:52:23 -0800


Alright; I've found out how to tell a 429/460 from everything else, and I've also found out that since I'm looking to build a BIG Horse engine, I will want one of the earlier 460's, the ones without the offset grind on the crank. I've been told that these earlier 460's have external balancers as opposed to the internal balancers that the later model 460's have. Will it be possible for me to see these external balancers? The engines I will be looking at are not in vehicles, and likely will not have tranny's attached. If it is possible to see the balancers, then what would I be looking for?

Thanks!


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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: Steering (Again!) D60 front?
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:10:48 -0500

James, is this a picture of the 78 with the Dana 60 up front?  Looks to me
like the D44, but those tires look like 44's and isn't that the one with the
D60?  (Just trying to see what a D60 looks like with the coil mounts)

-bob-




Here is the basic steering setup, lifted about 7 inches :-).

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/BRONC_DETAILS/frtsusp.jpg

                                OX



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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:09:48 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Steering (Again!) D60 front?

Bob wrote:
>
> James, is this a picture of the 78 with the Dana 60 up front?

Yes

> Looks to me like the D44,

Looks factory, don't it :-)

> but those tires look like 44's and isn't that the one with the
> D60?  (Just trying to see what a D60 looks like with the coil mounts)

There it is!!

                          OX

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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: D60 front?
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:35:15 -0500


Looks factory, don't it :-)

> but those tires look like 44's and isn't that the one with the
> D60?  (Just trying to see what a D60 looks like with the coil mounts)

There it is!!
=========================================
Sweet, sure does


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:52:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: 429/460

At 03:52 PM 01:11:2000 -0800, HPguy wrote:
>
> I've been told that these earlier 460's have external balancers as opposed
to the internal >balancers that the later model 460's have.

You've got that bass ackwards, the earlier 385 series engines were *INTERNALLY*
balanced, ie; the pre '77 engines are internally balanced, but the  '74 and
later engines
had the camshaft retarded by 4 or so degrees.

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: "George Litton" <r72cnvt hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 429/460
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 01:08:43 GMT

HP GUY,

Later 460's(called 3Y)have a small counterweight BEHIND the harmo. balancer.
 These later engines have a different balance than the earlier 2Y engines.
Do not be afraid of a 3Y, as they are just fine for all except the most
extreme(600+ hp) applications.  Mine runs great, and I give it more RPM's
than I should on ocassion.  The only draw-back is not being able to mix and
match, but it sounds like you are going to pick one and rebuild it complete.
 I have too much junk laying around.  I don't know what went where anymore.

Have lots of fun with your 385 project,

George in Coeur d'Alene, ID


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>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [61-79-list] 429/460
>Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:52:23 -0800
>
>
>Alright; I've found out how to tell a 429/460 from everything else, and
>I've also found out that since I'm looking to build a BIG Horse engine, I
>will want one of the earlier 460's, the ones without the offset grind on
>the crank. I've been told that these earlier 460's have external balancers
>as opposed to the internal balancers that the later model 460's have. Will
>it be possible for me to see these external balancers? The engines I will
>be looking at are not in vehicles, and likely will not have tranny's
>attached. If it is possible to see the balancers, then what would I be
>looking for?
>
>Thanks!
>
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From: "Andersons" <robertan cfw.com>
Subject: Re: oil spitting exhaust
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:46:50 -0500

I'll buy the "dirty water" explanation for the black spots, but if indeed
they are oil, as you say, then it's a different deal altogether.  My 5-years
mothballed 351M did this (with actual engine oil) until I took off the valve
covers and scooped out all the gunk that was blocking the oil return holes
in the tops of the heads.  See, cold, thick oil was backing up inside, and
rising to a level where it simply poured into the exhaust valve guides,
under the umbrella seals.

I was able to completely cure this with a good cleaning.  However, 2 weeks
later, oil pump died and the rest is history....
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> Glacier
>  Hello-
>
> I've noticed oily splatter marks on the sidewalk next to where I my park
my
> '79 f250 supercab 460.  It's obviously coming from the exhaust.  I'm
curious
> what the possible causes of this phenomenon might be?
>
> Randy
>
> PS- On a side note, I've learned a lot from subscribing to this list the
> last few weeks- thanks.  I've also figured out most of the acronyms (IMHO,
> POS, TIA, etc...), however I'm stumped as to the translation of SWMBO.
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