Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list 61-79-list); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:10:37 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:10:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server <listar ford-trucks.com>
To: 61-79-list digest users <listar ford-trucks.com>
Reply-to: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #313
Precedence: list

==========================================================
Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck  Mailing  List

Visit our  web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject  of  the
message.
==========================================================

------------------------------------
61-79-list Digest Thu, 26 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 313

In This Issue:
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: E Brake cable
Re: Anyone want a free oil change? Really.
Ported or full time vacuum
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Re: 21 mpg 460?
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: 21 mpg 460?
Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]
Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]
Spring shackle
Pertonix Ignitor
wooden carb spacer/adapter
Re: M Block Timing
Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter
Free Oil Change
Tilt column u-joint
Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter
Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter
Fw: [EBE] [Fwd: ford]
Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:53:43 -0700

I had a '79 Fairmont with a 302, C4 and 2.47(!!!) rear gears.  Ran about
1,600 rpm at 70.   Broke a throttle cable 100 miles from home on a Sunday
night.  Cranked the idle way up and idled home at 60-70 mph (took a while to
get up to speed and luckily there weren't any hills)...

>Actually from the mid 80's through 98 most Mustangs were available with a
2.73
>gear and a .67 overdrive ... I know they don't weigh quite what trucks do,
but
>sheesh that's pretty steep ... idle at 65 or something like that ... yes,
they
>were still 'doggy' off the line compared with their 3.27 compadre's (which
I
>was lucky enough to get :).

=============================================================
To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
Please remove this footer when replying.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:39:58 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: E Brake cable



"Azie L. Magnusson" wrote:

> Scott S. writes:  >>I've been looking for quite some time now for a new E-Brake cable for my '78
> F-150 4x4.

<snip>

>
>
> If a 2wd off a '76 will fit and you want to come take it off, it's yours.  I think the
> pedal and cable have to come off as a unit...Don't know for sure.
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.

I don't think it'll fit. 4WD's need a longer cable cuz it mounts in the back of the transfer instead
of the tranny.

>
>
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.


------------------------------

From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone want a free oil change? Really.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:55:10 -0500

Hmm i got a free coupon
to bad there aren't any winston tires around here :(
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
To: "'ford list'" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:36 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Anyone want a free oil change? Really.


> If you have a Winston tire store in your area, go to
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.winstontires.com , click on special offers.  Click on the top
> offer, fill out the form (most of which is optional) and you get a
printable
> coupon for a free oil and filter change.  If you have more than one email
> address (who doesn't) you can get one coupon for each.  One for me, one
for
> SWMBO...
>
> Works for me.  I like free.
>
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.
>


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:07:43 -0500
From: John Strauss <jstrauss inetport.com>
Subject: Ported or full time vacuum

>Hey, all. On My '70 F100 with a 390 running Duraspark ignition, should I have
>my advance hooked up to a full time vacuum source, or just a ported outlet?
>It seems to run better with a full time source.
>
If you are not having a dieseling problem, stay with "full" (referred to as
manifold) vacuum.
  _
_| ~~.  John Strauss
\, *_}  jstrauss inetport.com
  \(    Texas Fight!


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:20:31 -0500
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I had a '79 Fairmont with a 302, C4 and 2.47(!!!) rear gears.  Ran about
> 1,600 rpm at 70.   Broke a throttle cable 100 miles from home on a Sunday
> night.  Cranked the idle way up and idled home at 60-70 mph (took a while to
> get up to speed and luckily there weren't any hills)...
>
>>Actually from the mid 80's through 98 most Mustangs were available with a
> 2.73
>>gear and a .67 overdrive ... I know they don't weigh quite what trucks do,
> but
>>sheesh that's pretty steep ... idle at 65 or something like that ... yes,
> they
>>were still 'doggy' off the line compared with their 3.27 compadre's (which
> I
>>was lucky enough to get :).

I have a big problem in school zones (20 mph) Henry runs at about 25 with my
foot off of the gas. The curb idle is set correctly, that's just how easy he
rolls. At a stop light, in Drive, curb idle will run about 600-650, well
within spec. When I am rolling, the idle does not drop below 950 unless I
apply the service brake. I use 2nd gear when needed to keep from toasting
the brakes.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:34:39 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...



"Nichols, Josh" wrote:
>
> Compare the size of the tires on a mustang to a pickup....That will more
> than make up the high gearing in the stang'
>

5.0's came with 225/60/15's which are 25.7 dia. Many F150 broncs came
with 235/75/15's which are 28.7 or 12% bigger. Mult 12% X 2.73 and you
have a 3.06. Not even sure where we are going with this at this point
:-), but overall tire ratio aint all that different, depending upon veh.
and tire option.

                                OX


--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:11:40 -0400
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay

No kidding. Wonder how much shipping from Iowa to South Carolina is?

Virgil

> darn it, wish it was still in Texas, it looks very similar to my '67.
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:23:57 -0700

Within the last month, I was quoted $675 to transport a car from Cincinnati
to Sacramento.  Non running/driving vehicles cost more...

-----Original Message-----
From: Huston, Virgil H. [mailto:vhhuston switch.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:12 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay


No kidding. Wonder how much shipping from Iowa to South Carolina is?

Virgil

> darn it, wish it was still in Texas, it looks very similar to my '67.
>
>
=============================================================
To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
Please remove this footer when replying.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:44:04 -0400
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay

The owner of the truck said that it would probably be 0.95 a mile, which is
way higher than the quote you got. What shipping company did you get the
quote from? Depending on what that truck goes for on ebay, it might be worth
it. These trucks are hard to come by where I live.

Virgil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Southerland, Rich [SMTP:rsouther alldata.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:24 PM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
>
> Within the last month, I was quoted $675 to transport a car from
> Cincinnati
> to Sacramento.  Non running/driving vehicles cost more...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huston, Virgil H. [mailto:vhhuston switch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
>
>
> No kidding. Wonder how much shipping from Iowa to South Carolina is?
>
> Virgil
>
> > darn it, wish it was still in Texas, it looks very similar to my '67.
> >
> >
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.

------------------------------

From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:59:36 -0700

Here you go:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/services/DAS-shipping.html

There are a lot of shippers out there.  Check around, but these guys were
among the most reasonable and seem to have their act together.  I emailed
them and had a quote within 8 hours.

The price I quoted also assumed a terminal drop off and pickup.  That means
the vehicle was to be dropped off at the truck terminal in the departure
city and picked up at the terminal in the arrival city.

Door to door service was an additional $100.

Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Huston, Virgil H. [mailto:vhhuston switch.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:44 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay


The owner of the truck said that it would probably be 0.95 a mile, which is
way higher than the quote you got. What shipping company did you get the
quote from? Depending on what that truck goes for on ebay, it might be worth
it. These trucks are hard to come by where I live.

Virgil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Southerland, Rich [SMTP:rsouther alldata.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:24 PM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
>
> Within the last month, I was quoted $675 to transport a car from
> Cincinnati
> to Sacramento.  Non running/driving vehicles cost more...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huston, Virgil H. [mailto:vhhuston switch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
>
>
> No kidding. Wonder how much shipping from Iowa to South Carolina is?
>
> Virgil
>
> > darn it, wish it was still in Texas, it looks very similar to my '67.
> >
> >
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.
=============================================================
To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
Please remove this footer when replying.

------------------------------

From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:16:22 GMT
Subject: Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay

>No kidding. Wonder how much shipping from Iowa to South Carolina is?
>

I dunno what sounds good ?  ;)

That's actually only a couple hours from here, I wasn't looking at the thread
because I don't need another project, then just happened to stumble into it
on ebay ... heh, amazing ...

If someone on the list comes up to get it, lemme know, I'll meet you out there
if you want.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

------------------------------

From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 21 mpg 460?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:14:04 -0700


>
> Used one or two years on the Bird or Torino, 68 or there
> abouts.  Makes it a
> legal carb for Fords In my book :-)
>
> The main advantage the Rochester has over the competition is
> they deemed it
> a good thing to make the primaries very, very small.  Ford, Holley and
> Carter spread bores have much larger primaries so don't carry off the
> "Efficiency" thing as well.  I've seen a couple of Ford's
> with pretty small
> ones but still larger than the Rochester.  I used the
> smallest one of the
> batch I had lying around but the Ford versions are not
> tunable so I can't
> get the most out of it.  Rochesters are tunable from idle all
> the way up to
> WOT but you do have to know what you are doing.  A poorly
> tuned Rochester is
> a lot more headache than a Holley or Ford because they are
> somewhat more
> complex.
>
> Happily Totally Retired,
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
>
> > A super tuned Rochester,
> > ======================================================
> > A What
> > i didnt know they even made such a critter for a ford
> > thats a G.M. carb
>
>

Is the edelbrock the equivalent of the rochester?

Tom H

------------------------------

From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:26:30 GMT
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...

>you can get a 4th gear out of it without adding any more gears to
>the planetary setup (just by altering which gears get fixed). Just so
>happens this fourth gear ends up being an overdrive. This setup uses
>primary and secondary sun gears, 3 primary short and 3 secondary long
>pinions (rotate in reverse direction from each other) and single ring
>gear.

Okay, that's what was floating around in my head, but I didn't have any documentation
to back that up on hand ... pack all those gears in there, and you can only
get so small with those planets ... on a side note, aren't planetary gearsets
fun to play with ? :)


>yes, they
>> were still 'doggy' off the line compared with their 3.27 compadre's (which
I
>> was lucky enough to get :).
>>
>
> I thought the 3.27's only came with auto's, 5 spds were 3.08 optional,
>NO????
>

Ah, there is a year difference in there, the 4.6L's in 96 caused the drop of
the 3.08 gearset and they just went to 2.73 or 3.27 (Cobra's were all 3.27's),
in 99 they went to 3.27 across the board (everything from V6 to Cobra).  They
may've made the change as early as 94, but not sure on that one.

4cyl's were slightly luckier as they could get a 3.45 behind the auto, but then
its <100hp and an auto, so it wasn't winning acceleration fans...

You think this conversation was odd, try asking some "ricer" with his pimpy
front wheel drive car what gears he's got ... likely 5 will be his answer ;)




Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

------------------------------

From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 21 mpg 460?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:29:23 -0700

The Edelbrock is a Carter knock off...

/// Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 21 mpg 460?


>
> Is the edelbrock the equivalent of the rochester?
>
> Tom H




------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:26:15 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]



"Southerland, Rich" wrote:
>
> Within the last month, I was quoted $675 to transport a car from Cincinnati
> to Sacramento.  Non running/driving vehicles cost more...
>

That's not bad.  Tomorrow I'm shipping a '62 D*dg* from Richland
(southeastern), WA to Oceanside, CA (San Diego area) for $650.  It's
costing the guy more to ship it than he paid for the car...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:13:12 -0500
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...

OX wrote:

> Good point on the size of the planetary gearsets. A book I have on
>auto trannies explains that with teh 3 spd Ravigneau planetary (used in
>AOD), you can get a 4th gear out of it without adding any more gears to
>the planetary setup (just by altering which gears get fixed). This setup uses
>primary and secondary sun gears, 3 primary short and 3 secondary long
>pinions (rotate in reverse direction from each other) and single ring
>gear. It was used in the FMX, so it's been around for a while. Makes
>sense that they would opt to get that 4th gear without adding extra
>parts.

So, is my 1967 FMX in my F250 camper special a 3 speed or a 4 speed
automatic? If 4 speed, is the 4th gear an overdrive?

Doss Halsey

'67 F250 Camper Special FMX
'68 F250 Camper Special NP435
'72 F250 Camper Special C6


------------------------------

From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:06:00 -0500

what kind of dodge is it?

>
>
> "Southerland, Rich" wrote:
> >
> > Within the last month, I was quoted $675 to transport a car from
Cincinnati
> > to Sacramento.  Non running/driving vehicles cost more...
> >
>
> That's not bad.  Tomorrow I'm shipping a '62 D*dg* from Richland
> (southeastern), WA to Oceanside, CA (San Diego area) for $650.  It's
> costing the guy more to ship it than he paid for the car...
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.
>


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:06:47 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...

Doss Halsey wrote:
>
> OX wrote:
>
> > Good point on the size of the planetary gearsets. A book I have on
> >auto trannies explains that with teh 3 spd Ravigneau planetary (used in
> >AOD), you can get a 4th gear out of it without adding any more gears to
> >the planetary setup (just by altering which gears get fixed). This setup uses
> >primary and secondary sun gears, 3 primary short and 3 secondary long
> >pinions (rotate in reverse direction from each other) and single ring
> >gear. It was used in the FMX, so it's been around for a while. Makes
> >sense that they would opt to get that 4th gear without adding extra
> >parts.
>
> So, is my 1967 FMX in my F250 camper special a 3 speed or a 4 speed
> automatic? If 4 speed, is the 4th gear an overdrive?
>

It's 3 speed, but the planetary gearset is 4 speed capable. Won't help
you much since a new valve body would be needed, which also means a new
case and some way to stop which ever part of planetary setup that needs
to be stopped to get the overdrive ratio.

                                   OX


--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:25:29 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]

1962 Dodge Dart 440 2-dr.  Same year as my Ford Unibody (FTE COntent).
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9487/00dog1.jpg
Don Thurlow wrote:
>
> what kind of dodge is it?
>
> >
> >

------------------------------

From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:32:15 -0500

hey that's a nice car... well i like um.. for a car..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Pearson" <dpearson ctc.edu>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Shipping $$$ [was'71 F100 for sale on ebay]


> 1962 Dodge Dart 440 2-dr.  Same year as my Ford Unibody (FTE COntent).
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9487/00dog1.jpg
> Don Thurlow wrote:
> >
> > what kind of dodge is it?
> >
> > >
> > >
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.
>


------------------------------

From: "Ballinger" <ballingr sbmu.net>
Subject: Spring shackle
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:43:45 -0500

I have a '65 F250 4X4 that has had the driver's side rear spring shackle
"compromised."  Some yaahoo broke it and had the bolt welded to it to where
you can't change spring bushings.  The driver's side front corner is down a
good inch because of it.  Does anyone have a shackle they want to sell?


------------------------------

From: "Matthew Kime" <mjkime hotmail.com>
Subject: Pertonix Ignitor
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:35:07 GMT

I am thinking about adding the Pertonix Ignitor, but I have some questions
about it first.  Do you need to get anything else?  Do you need to get an
aftermarket control box?  What would I gain if I did get a control box?
Should I get a new coil?  I already have new wires, cap, and rotor.

Everything on the truck is stock.  This spring I plan on upgrading to a 390,
new intake, and a new carb.  So, any advice would be great.

Thanks!

Matt
1974 F-250 4x4 Highboy
_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com.

Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://profiles.msn.com.


------------------------------

From: Brazzadog aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:47:39 EDT
Subject: wooden carb spacer/adapter

I made a 3/4" birch plywood 2v - 4v adapter so I could mount a Motorcraft
2150 on a Motorcraft 4350 specific intake manifold.  After about 10 miles of
city driving it seems to be working fine.  It really is an amazing heat
insulator.  Anybody have experience with "store bought" or homemade wooden
spacers?  I wonder if the glues used in furniture grade plywood are going to
have trouble standing up to the gasoline exposure.

Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4
'88 Bronco

------------------------------

From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:17:27 -0600
Subject: Re: M Block Timing

>From: Jimbo <jcraig CLEMSON.EDU>
>
>This 'compliance' was mainly met with a
>camshaft retard, right?

Yo Jimbo:

The M-block 400 was equipped with both EGR and Thermactor (AIR) systems when
first introduced in 1971.  Both of those are emission control systems.  Starting
in 1973, cam timing was retarded also.  Most other Ford engines in light-duty
applications were equipped w/ the same emissions control equipment at about the
same time.

>Was the retard in the chain???

Sort of.  Ford retarded the original cam timing by changing the position of the
keyway on the crankshaft sprocket.  You can use the pre-retarded ('71-'72) crank
sprocket to return the cam timing to 0 if you use the OEM timing chain and cam
sprocket.  The pre-retarded crank sprocket part # is C8SZ-A.  The complete
pre-retarded timing set part # is D0AZ-A.  Ford recently obsoleted those parts,
but you might be able to find a dealer w/ some still in stock.  I understand
they are available from the aftermarket too.

>It would only seem probavle since my Performer
>RPM 400 degreeded in perfectly with a new
>double-roller, set at zero advance.

Only the OEM-type crank sprockets are made w/ the cam timing retard built in.
Most aftermarket performance timing sets have multiple-keyway crank sprockets,
which allow you to set timing to 0, or advance or retard cam timing in 6-degree
(or so) increments.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:25:19 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter

...mmm, let us know if it does.  I have been thinking about a wooden
spacer ever since a thread on this group many moons ago centered on
it...I, too, was a little concerned about the glues in plywood.  Thanks
for being brave and trying it for us.

Brazzadog aol.com wrote:
>
> I made a 3/4" birch plywood 2v - 4v adapter so I could mount a Motorcraft
> 2150 on a Motorcraft 4350 specific intake manifold.  After about 10 miles of
> city driving it seems to be working fine.  It really is an amazing heat
> insulator.  Anybody have experience with "store bought" or homemade wooden
> spacers?  I wonder if the glues used in furniture grade plywood are going to
> have trouble standing up to the gasoline exposure.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:30:52 -0700
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Free Oil Change

Rich Southerland <rsouther alldata.com> wrote, in part:
Subject: Anyone want a free oil change? Really.
  <edited>
> If you have a Winston tire store in your area, go to www.winstontires.com
> click on special offers.  Click on the top offer, and get a printable
> coupon for a free oil and filter change.  I like free.

Yea, but remember, that free Quaker State oil filter is really a Fram in
green trim.  My grandpa told me, "You get what you pay for"!  My dad used
to say, "There's no such thing as a free lunch".  I believed 'em both.

I'll stick with my Baldwins and Castrol.

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

------------------------------

From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Tilt column u-joint
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:28:07 -0500

 My '78 F150 has a tilt wheel with quite a bit of slop. I took all the
plastic off the column, and the turn signal cam and goodies, and can see
that all the slop is in the u-joint. How hard are these to replace, cost,
any special tools required, and how do I get the shifter coller off? Thanks,
Jason Kendrick


------------------------------

From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:08:43 -0600

Possible alternative materials to plywood which are really easy to machine:

Polypropylene Sheet, 12" x 12" x 3/4" - $11.83 (MSC catalog)
Nylon 6/6 Sheet, 12" x 12" x 3/4" - $42.91  (MSC catalog)

The catalog lists the temperature range of the polypropylene as 32F to 210F,
which may not be adequate.

The temp range for nylon is not listed, but my materials book lists the
melting point of nylon 6/6 at 509F, versus 347F for polypropylene.  (Doesn't
mean the working temp range is this high).

Anyway, just a thought. (although the expense of the nylon may defeat the
purpose of using plywood in the first place?)

-Randy
'79 f250 460 supercab


-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Brazzadog aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 3:48 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] wooden carb spacer/adapter


I made a 3/4" birch plywood 2v - 4v adapter so I could mount a Motorcraft
2150 on a Motorcraft 4350 specific intake manifold.  After about 10 miles of
city driving it seems to be working fine.  It really is an amazing heat
insulator.  Anybody have experience with "store bought" or homemade wooden
spacers?  I wonder if the glues used in furniture grade plywood are going to
have trouble standing up to the gasoline exposure.

Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4
'88 Bronco
=============================================================
To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
Please remove this footer when replying.


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:04:00 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter

>
>
> Brazzadog aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I made a 3/4" birch plywood 2v - 4v adapter so I could mount a Motorcraft
> > 2150 on a Motorcraft 4350 specific intake manifold.  After about 10 miles of
> > city driving it seems to be working fine.  It really is an amazing heat
> > insulator.  Anybody have experience with "store bought" or homemade wooden
> > spacers?  I wonder if the glues used in furniture grade plywood are going to
> > have trouble standing up to the gasoline exposure.

Why not use a solid block of oak or any hardwood? Then there'd be no worry about
the glue.



>
> =============================================================
> To  unsubscribe:   www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3
> Please remove this footer when replying.


------------------------------

From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Fw: [EBE] [Fwd: ford]
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:52:25 -0700



> At the Gates, St. Peter greets Ford and tells him, "Well, you've been such
a good guy, and your invention...the assembly line for the
automobile...changed the
> world. As a reward, you can hang out with anyone in Heaven you want."
>
> Ford thinks about it, and says, - "I want to hang out with God Himself."
> So the befuddled St. Peter takes Ford to the Throne Room, and introduces
him to God.
>
> Ford then asks God, - "When you invented Woman, what were you thinking?"
>
> God asks, "What do you mean?"
>
> "Well," says Ford, "You have some major design flaws in your invention:
>
> 1.  There's too much front end protrusion.
> 2.  It chatters way too much at high speeds.
> 3.  Maintenance is extremely high.
> 4.  It constantly needs repainting and refinishing.
> 5.  Every 28 days it leaks fluid and is rendered out of service.
> 6.  The rear end wobbles too much.
> 7.  The intake is placed too close to the exhaust.
> 8.  The headlights are usually too small.
> 9.  Fuel consumption is outrageous.
>
> "Hummmm," replies God, "hold on a minute."  God goes over to the Celestial
Supercomputer, types in a few keystrokes, and waits for the results. In no
time the
> computer prints out a report, and God reads it.
>
> God then turns to Ford, and says, "It may be that my invention is flawed,
but according to these statistics, more men are riding my invention than
yours. "
>
> --
> TS
> Chico, CA
>
> We don't have a Democracy, We have an Auction.



------------------------------

From: "Andersons" <robertan cfw.com>
Subject: Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:07:21 -0400

Made one a few years ago for a hot running 350R Ol*s motor from veneered
particle board- working fine.  I'd say the glue actually helps the
situation.  Natural woods tend to warp when exposed to extremes.  You do
want to use wood, rather than plastics, for the insulating properties (and
for the fact that plastics soften well below their actual melt point....=
leaks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:04 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: wooden carb spacer/adapter


> >
> >
> > Brazzadog aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I made a 3/4" birch plywood 2v - 4v adapter so I could mount a
Motorcraft
> > > 2150 on a Motorcraft 4350 specific intake manifold.  After about 10
miles of
> > > city driving it seems to be working fine.  It really is an amazing
heat
> > > insulator.  Anybody have experience with "store bought" or homemade
wooden
> > > spacers?  I wonder if the glues used in furniture grade plywood are ....


To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Registration is free, easy and gives you access to more features.
If you are not registered, click here to register.
If you are already registered, you can login here.

If you are already logged in and are seeing this message, your web browser is blocking session cookies. Change your browser cookie settings to allow session cookies.




Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Jobs

This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.