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61-79-list Digest Wed, 25 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 312

In This Issue:
Ported or full time vacuum
Re: leak from rear end
Re: F350 4X4 steering
Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
E Brake cable
Antifreeze in cab
Steering
Re: cracked frame around steering box
Re: cracked frame around steering box
Re: RRe: cab and box swap - cutting cab mounts
78 460 ..Which vacuum source for carb?
Closed Knuckle Slack
slop in dana 44 front
M Block Timing
Re: M Block Timing
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: F350 4X4 steering
My truck on E-Bay
Re: leak from rear end
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: M Block Timing
Re: M Block Timing....what about FE?
Vin #
Re; 1969 F100
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: M Block Timing....what about FE?
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Anyone want a free oil change? Really.
Re: OD in '78, retraction...

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From: "Jason Kendrick" <390fe ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:10:38 GMT
Subject: Ported or full time vacuum

Hey, all. On My '70 F100 with a 390 running Duraspark ignition, should I have
my advance hooked up to a full time vacuum source, or just a ported outlet?
It seems to run better with a full time source.



Jason Kendrick
1978 F150 Supercab 460/C6
1970 F100 Custom 390/C6
Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: leak from rear end
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:40:17 -0400


this rear end uses a crush
> sleeve so when you get the seal replaced you need to get the nut back on
to
> the same torque as before to ensure the same preload on the pinion
bearings.

Not to be a smart A**, but how can you retain proper pinion bearing pre-load
utilizing a used crush sleeve?  That TV program "Shade Tree Mechanic"
replaced the pinion seal on a late model G* * product a few years ago
without replacing the crush sleeve.  I wrote them asking the same question.
They couldn't really give me a good answer.  Think about it, the way you
measure proper pinion bearing pre-load is by turning the pinion shaft by
itself, (read no spool, 3'rd member, etc installed) measured in inch pounds.
I have never removed the pinion seal without replacing the crush sleeve,
unfortunatly I always over crush the first one trying to get it to crush.
So now I just buy two when I know I'm working on a rearend that utilizes a
crush sleeve :)  A garage I worked at years ago would not warrantee the work
if we replaced the pinion seal on a differential that utilized a crush
sleeve if we didn't replace it with the seal.  Sorta made a simple job
expensive for the customer. I'm not familiar with a 61, so I may be totally
out to lunch here.

PS: I'm more familliar with the "Dark Side" diferentials and  than the ford
9".

Rich

> As to whether the seal is accessable from the outside, I can't remember
but
> I believe it is :-(  I made up a special puller for applications like this
> where there is a shaft in the way.  Some of them can be popped out with a
> screw driver if you are carefull by levering it against the under side of
> the seal on one side and the outside on the opposit side (you need a long
> one for this to get enough leverage).
>
> Happily Totally Retired,
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
>
> > my 61 has  a leak from the rear end where the driveshaft connects...is
> > this a pretty
> > straight forward job?? Just a seal??



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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:05:25 EDT
Subject: Re: F350 4X4 steering

Your truck has a 6" Lift in the front.  The 3" block between the steering
knuckle and steering arm is made by Superlift.  The 3" Dropped drag link
could be made by a few manufacturers...but most likely a Superlift Item.
There is no diffence in the frames between an F-250 4x4 and a F-350 4x4.  The
difference is in the spring rates.     Here's some Info that may suprise you:
All Supercab 4x4's use the same frame...all use leaf springs all the way
around....same Power Steering Box for all.  The supercab F-150 4x4's do the
complete opposite of what I have done to my 1979 Bronco.  The Supercab F-150
4x4's use the Dana 44 "F-250 Leaf spring mounted"...but use the 5 lug rotors
and like parts.  Another interesting thing is that you can use a Dana 44 5-
lug steering knuckle with 8-lug parts (to convert to 8 lug in front if you
swapped in a Dana 60 in the rear like I did).   You CANNOT go the opposite
way......Like put 5-lug parts on the F-250 Steering Knuckle because the
single piston caliper hits the knuckle.  ANYWAY!!!!   Good luck on your new
truck!!     Wayne Grabley (Clifton, NJ)

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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: '71 F100 for sale on ebay
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:46:03 -0500

darn it, wish it was still in Texas, it looks very similar to my '67.

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'70 F250 Camper Special. 390 cid and Dana 60.
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Subject: [61-79-list] '71 F100 for sale on ebay


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Currently $125.  Looks like a solid project truck.  Supposedly just needs a
radiator.



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: E Brake cable
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:02:09 -0500


Scott S. writes:  >>I've been looking for quite some time now for a new E-Brake cable for my '78
F-150 4x4.  No one I've found carries a new cable from the pedal downward.
Does anyone on the list know where I might find this animal?  I've tried
Dennis Carpenter.  I thought that would be my best shot but they don't have
that part available.  Of course it's discontinued at Ford.  Can anyone help
me.<<

If a 2wd off a '76 will fit and you want to come take it off, it's yours.  I think the
pedal and cable have to come off as a unit...Don't know for sure.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Antifreeze in cab
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:10:06 -0500


Mary K(sounds like a cosmetic sales person, doesn't it)T. writes:  >>Okay, it's a '65
F-100 and when I'm driving, antifreeze leaks onto the floor of the cab.  What is it,
and is it something I can fix myself?<<

Your heater core has sprung a leak. You're loosing coolant, so keep a check on the
level of coolant in your radiator, or you'll have an overheating problem soon..
I'm not familiar with your year, so I'll let someone else explain the difficulty..
Best bet is to take it to a local radiator shop(two or three) and get estimates of cost
for them to do it..


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Steering
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:32:37 -0500


Eric F. wriotes:  >>Do you seen any problems with the way it looks now?  Remember I'm not at
>all familiar with the "correct" setup for these trucks so this could be
>"way off" if you know what I mean.<<

Truck has to be lifted.  Waaaayyy to much arch in those springs and the arm that
has the "S" curve in it is straight on my '77 F250 4X4.. Unless I was there to
observe the "slop" I'd be afraid to comment further..


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:38:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: cracked frame around steering box

At 08:11 PM 25:10:2000 -0700, Gary wrote:

>For wire welding you should be using a #12 green lens.  For some stick
>welding you can get away with #10 but I find this a tad too light for my
>eyes.

Hey Gary,

Do you have brown eyes?

That would be the reason a #12 shade works better
for you than a #10 shade.  Blue eyed people can use a
lighter shade than us dark eyed folk...just a little fun fact
to know and tell...

You are right though, Veeing the crack out, then filling it
with weld is the right way to go.  Veeing it out, filling with weld,
then welding a 1/4" plate over the "weak" area is my preferred
fix for this problem...



Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: cracked frame around steering box
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:48:41 -0400

Next time I'll do just that!

I wanted to thank Gary for responding with such an elaborate, descriptive,
explanation.
And thank you Steve for yet another idea.

-bob-


=======================================================

You are right though, Veeing the crack out, then filling it
with weld is the right way to go.  Veeing it out, filling with weld,
then welding a 1/4" plate over the "weak" area is my preferred
fix for this problem...


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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:53:18 EDT
Subject: Re: RRe: cab and box swap - cutting cab mounts

Now That's somthing I'd love to see! Gives me something to think about!

Geroge M in Fl.


In a message dated 10/25/00 12:45:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wadsond air.on.ca writes:

<< The disposal of the cab was even more amusing...we lashed it back to back
with the cab on another truck that didn't have a box. Good thing neither
one of us owns a welder and cutting torch - we were starting to become
somewhat serious in our considerations of creating some twisted
Frankenstein F150 Double Cab!   :-)
 >>

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From: "Matthew Schwartz" <mschwartz fast.net>
Subject: 78 460 ..Which vacuum source for carb?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:10:51 -0400

Just bought a Edelbrock Performer 750 for my 460. The engine is all 78...so
do I use full vacuum or timed vacuum? I assume that since there is no EGR I
use full.

Thanks
Matt


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:15:57 -0700
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Closed Knuckle Slack

>My truck has developed a lot of slack in one front wheel.
>Its a '70 f-250 4WD with a dana 44 closed knuckle steering.

I had a similar problem with the closed knuckle 44 in my 76 and I almost
wrecked the truck.
On mine the bolts that attach the spindle to the knuckle pulled the
threads out of the knuckle.
If I were you I would IMMEDIATLY check out the front end,you can lose
the whole wheel,hub and brake drum assembly if these bolts fail.Also
ruins the knuckle and many other hard to find and expensive parts.

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From: "Don Jones" <twistedhand hotmail.com>
Subject: slop in dana 44 front
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:20:10 GMT

>>>With closed knuckles your going to have tapered a pivot bearing on top
>>>and
>>>bottom of knuckle.  Some times a little bit of grease will work.  Quick
>>>way
>>>to check is jack up one side of truck and try and move tire by putting
>>>one
>>>hand on bottom of tire and one on top then try and move tire in and out.
>>>Some times it takes pretty good pressure to move the tire.

Ok...so it seems like i have a bad bearing or two. That would make sense as
a lot of play turned up in a very short amount of time.

Its parked now because the wheel has a noticeable slant to it.
What else should I look for when i am in there?.  Are the wiper seals hard
to find?.   What about the wheel bearings?  I would assume that they run in
oil too.  If the bearings crapped out, could it contaminate the oil in the
ring and pinion gears?, or are they separate?

Don Jones
Northern Ont, Canada
1970 f-250 ~Fordzilla~
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jimbo <jcraig CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: M Block Timing

Random Question:  The M-Blocks were the first of the emission-controlled
engines produced by Ford.  This 'compliance' was mainly met with a camshaft
retard, right?  I have believed this ever since I degred my stock cam, then
an aftermarket with a new timing chain.  Was the retard in the chain???  It
would only seem probavle since my Performer RPM 400 degreeded in perfectly
with a new double-roller, set at zero advance.

                       Jimbo


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: M Block Timing
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:59:32 -0700

The Crower in mine degreed in at 0 also...

/// Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface \\

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From: "Jimbo" <jcraig CLEMSON.EDU>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:30 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] M Block Timing


> Random Question:  The M-Blocks were the first of the emission-controlled
> engines produced by Ford.  This 'compliance' was mainly met with a
camshaft
> retard, right?  I have believed this ever since I degred my stock cam,
then
> an aftermarket with a new timing chain.  Was the retard in the chain???
It
> would only seem probavle since my Performer RPM 400 degreeded in perfectly
> with a new double-roller, set at zero advance.




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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:49:18 -0700



> Ok, I may have gone off on a tangent here.
Glad it's not just me that does that :^)

> Since the F-250's all use the larger axles the most
> common ratio is 4.10 which also happens to be appropriate for the larger
> tires they come with.
IMO, the reason for the use of the 4.10 gears is the need for a super low
gear for HD use (along with a wide ratio trans, C6, E4OD).  As far as
automatics go, this super low gearing can't be done just in the
transmission.  Why?  I'm not sure.  But you don't see many automatics with
1st gearsets higher than 3:1.
So, with 4.10 gears, an OD and a low first gear, you have the best of both
worlds as far as mileage and pulling power. And, the load is spread
throughout the entire drivetrain.



> What I was originally arguing is that they use lower axle ratios to reduce
> the effort on the OD gears which is true given the same input torque.
No, it's because the engine won't pull a 2.75 gear with an OD gear on top of
that.  Using a lower diff gear (4.10) with the wide ratio trans gives more
pulling power, and still gives the cruise RPM and economy of a 2.75 (approx)

> What I was originally arguing is that they use lower axle ratios to reduce
>  the effort on the OD gears which is true given the same input torque.
I'm still not understanding this.  I think the lower diff gearing is used to
reduce the effort of the engine.
Lets say an engine makes peak torque at 2200 RPM.  If the drivetrain is
geared to cruise a 1600 RPM in OD, the engine is going to be working harder
to maintain speed, correct?

IMO, I think this whole topic is being over-thought out.  I think there were
more people opting for the 3.50 or 4.10 geared trucks in these years, than
the 2.75's.  This may have led to the need for Ford to offer an OD in the
later trucks.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"





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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:51:30 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: F350 4X4 steering

>Another interesting thing is that you can use a Dana 44 5-
>lug steering knuckle with 8-lug parts (to convert to 8 lug in front if you
>swapped in a Dana 60 in the rear like I did)

heh.  Just got finished doing that just the other day.  I didn't
measure the spindles but I would almost think they were the same size.

--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

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From: "Jerry Godsey" <godsey51 prodigy.net>
Subject: My truck on E-Bay
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:23:19 -0700

I just listed my 65 Econoline on E Bay.  Check it out...
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItem&item=480150478

Blessings,
Jerry Godsey
www.geocities.com/view_from_pew
65 Ford Econoline
88 F-150
95 Aerostar
89 Escort GT
Imperial, CA


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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:20:06 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: leak from rear end

>The torque on the pinion nut is around 275# and this rear end uses a crush
>sleeve so when you get the seal replaced you need to get the nut back on to
>the same torque as before to ensure the same preload on the pinion bearings.
>If I ever take mine off again I will use locktite on it to keep the nut
>tight.  This seems to be a problem with the 9".

A mechanic friend gave me an easy way of putting the pinion nut back on
with the same preload as when you took it off, especially if you don't have
an inch-pound torque wrench (as opposed to a foot-pound wrench) - count the
number of threads that are exposed before you remove the nut and when you
put it back on, leave the same number of threads exposed. I replaced my
pinion seal not too long away and everything seems to be working properly
still. Getting the seal out wasn't too difficult when you're not worrying
about mangling the old seal. Installation is a little more
difficult...really would help to have a proper seal installer though.
Otherwise be careful as you tap it in...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:13:16 -0500
Subject: Re: 21 mpg 460?
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>  Rochesters are tunable from idle all the way up to
> WOT but you do have to know what you are doing.  A poorly tuned Rochester is
> a lot more headache than a Holley or Ford because they are somewhat more
> complex.

Oh dear, Gary. we agree again. When a Rochester is set up right, it's a good
carb. When it gets out of adjustment, it will drive you batty.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:22:13 -0500
Subject: Re: M Block Timing
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Random Question:  The M-Blocks were the first of the emission-controlled
> engines produced by Ford.  This 'compliance' was mainly met with a camshaft
> retard, right?  I have believed this ever since I degred my stock cam, then
> an aftermarket with a new timing chain.  Was the retard in the chain???  It
> would only seem probavle since my Performer RPM 400 degreeded in perfectly
> with a new double-roller, set at zero advance.

Dave will be able to answer this one for sure, but I would tend to agree
with you. Now if I understand your question, then a simple timing chain
replacement with the right gear set would re-degree my cam. Interesting
theory... The degree setting would be determined with where the timing marks
are stamped on the gears, mainly the cam gear.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:21:17 GMT
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...

Ugh, had a nice thing all typed out and just lost it ... hate it when that happens.
(Yes even computer geeks screw up when typing email).

>IMO, the reason for the use of the 4.10 gears is the need for a super low
>gear for HD use (along with a wide ratio trans, C6, E4OD).  As far as
>automatics go, this super low gearing can't be done just in the
>transmission.  Why?  I'm not sure.  But you don't see many automatics with

>1st gearsets higher than 3:1.

Ah one thing I remembered on the way home the other day was issues of disparity
in gear sizes ... you can only get the gears so big and small (relatively) before
you start stressing things to the point of failure ... with automatics being
as restricted as they are in space, that could be a part of the need for the
ratios being what they are ...

>> What I was originally arguing is that they use lower axle ratios to reduce

>> the effort on the OD gears which is true given the same input torque.

I thought the original argument was that overdrives were inefficient and offered
no advantage over steep gear ratios and wide ratio trannies with 1:1 ... *shrug*
my bad.

>No, it's because the engine won't pull a 2.75 gear with an OD gear on top of

>that.

Actually from the mid 80's through 98 most Mustangs were available with a 2.73
gear and a .67 overdrive ... I know they don't weigh quite what trucks do, but
sheesh that's pretty steep ... idle at 65 or something like that ... yes, they
were still 'doggy' off the line compared with their 3.27 compadre's (which I
was lucky enough to get :).

>> What I was originally arguing is that they use lower axle ratios to reduce

>>  the effort on the OD gears which is true given the same input torque.
>I'm still not understanding this.  I think the lower diff gearing is used to

>reduce the effort of the engine.
>
>Lets say an engine makes peak torque at 2200 RPM.  If the drivetrain is
>geared to cruise a 1600 RPM in OD, the engine is going to be working harder

>to maintain speed, correct?
>

Yes, but this actually improves efficiency in the motor ... I've got some cool
pressure/volume graphs I can dig up that show what's happening in the engine
at idle, high idle, and load.  Its amazing an engine can idle at all ...   Also
those peak ratings are based on wide open throttle, which is not usually a cruise
state ... you're only using a small percentage of the total available amount
of torque anyway ...


>IMO, I think this whole topic is being over-thought out.  I think there were

>more people opting for the 3.50 or 4.10 geared trucks in these years, than

>the 2.75's.  This may have led to the need for Ford to offer an OD in the
>later trucks.
>

That's why I thought the original argument was different and didn't read it
much ... I could've sworn the original argument was "When they designed new
transmissions, they should've designed more lower gears rather than an overdrive
and utilized a steeper rear gear to keep the same overall ratios."   Which is
much more difficult to argue from our side since we weren't involved in the
design process ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:23:45 GMT
Subject: Re: M Block Timing

>Random Question:  The M-Blocks were the first of the emission-controlled
>engines produced by Ford.

Uhm ... it was the first NEW emission controlled motor ... the others obviously
had to be made compliant as well (you WILL be assimilated!:)

>  This 'compliance' was mainly met with a camshaft
>retard, right?  I have believed this ever since I degred my stock cam, then

>an aftermarket with a new timing chain.  Was the retard in the chain???

Kind of ... it was usually in the timing sprocket itself, where the dimple was
when you lined it up ... for a lot of emissions controlled engines, if you can
make it work you can make some decent power by going to a pre-emission timing
set.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Re: M Block Timing....what about FE?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:34:39 -0400

Was this ever a factor for the earlier model FE's? Or Just a 1977 and later
type thing?

In other words, what other engines besides the M series will benefit from an
early model timing set?

Thanks,
Ken

68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.42NL
88 Crown Vic 302EFI/AOD

>Kind of ... it was usually in the timing sprocket itself, where the dimple
was
>when you lined it up ... for a lot of emissions controlled engines, if you
can
>make it work you can make some decent power by going to a pre-emission
timing
>set.
>
>Just my $.02
>wish


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From: Fordman9901 webtv.net
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:55:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Vin #

Here is the Vin # for that 1969 F100 4x4 i asked about F11ACE40081.
Thanks Randy


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From: Fordman9901 webtv.net
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:04:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re; 1969 F100


Here is the Vin # for that 1969 F100 4x4 i asked about F11ACE40081.
Thanks Randy


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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:59:48 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...

wish wrote:

> Ah one thing I remembered on the way home the other day was issues of disparity
> in gear sizes ... you can only get the gears so big and small (relatively) before
> you start stressing things to the point of failure ... with automatics being
> as restricted as they are in space, that could be a part of the need for the
> ratios being what they are ...

 Good point on the size of the planetary gearsets. A book I have on
auto trannies explains that with teh 3 spd Ravigneau planetary (used in
AOD), you can get a 4th gear out of it without adding any more gears to
the planetary setup (just by altering which gears get fixed). Just so
happens this fourth gear ends up being an overdrive. This setup uses
primary and secondary sun gears, 3 primary short and 3 secondary long
pinions (rotate in reverse direction from each other) and single ring
gear. It was used in the FMX, so it's been around for a while. Makes
sense that they would opt to get that 4th gear without adding extra
parts.

> Actually from the mid 80's through 98 most Mustangs were available with a 2.73
> gear and a .67 overdrive ... I know they don't weigh quite what trucks do, but
> sheesh that's pretty steep ... idle at 65 or something like that ...

My 86 Capri 5.0 came like that. 55 MPH was 1300 RPM. Theoretical top
speed 5000 RPM was 212 MPH, heeheehee!!!

yes, they
> were still 'doggy' off the line compared with their 3.27 compadre's (which I
> was lucky enough to get :).
>

I thought the 3.27's only came with auto's, 5 spds were 3.08 optional,
NO????

                             OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:15:57 GMT
Subject: Re: M Block Timing....what about FE?

>Was this ever a factor for the earlier model FE's? Or Just a 1977 and later

>type thing?
>
>In other words, what other engines besides the M series will benefit from an

>early model timing set?
>

In rebuilding my 390 is actually where I found out about this, there are a few
different fuel pump eccentrics, so it may not be as easy as just swapping the
timing set out, but it may be an option, especially if you use an electric fuel
pump anyway.

As far as I know this affects all the pre-emission motors that went into the
emissions years, the 429/460's are definitely in, as well as the FE's, I think
even the 351's to an extent, but don't know for sure on the 302's, they may've
been small enough that they could just be de-tuned a bit more ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:16:33 -0500

Hmm you have enough vehicles.. and i thought that was the most intresting
thing in that post :-)
i want your capri :)

>                               OX
>
> --
> 78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
> boggers, 9" lift
> 79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
> SX's, 4"lift
> 79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
> 86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
> 90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
> 95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)
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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:38:22 -0700


> Actually from the mid 80's through 98 most Mustangs were available with a
2.73
> gear and a .67 overdrive ...
Yes, the weight of a Mustang is much lower.  Also remember that the size of
the tires also change effective gearing.  What may work with a Mustang with
25" tires might not so easily work on a pickup with a 31" diameter tire.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Anyone want a free oil change? Really.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:36:20 -0700

If you have a Winston tire store in your area, go to
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.winstontires.com , click on special offers.  Click on the top
offer, fill out the form (most of which is optional) and you get a printable
coupon for a free oil and filter change.  If you have more than one email
address (who doesn't) you can get one coupon for each.  One for me, one for
SWMBO...

Works for me.  I like free.


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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78, retraction...
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:43:56 -0700 ....


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