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61-79-list Digest Sun, 22 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 305

In This Issue:
Re: reliability of OD
Re: Politics AND Ford Trucks...
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: Cab 4 sale
Re: OD in '78
Re: 21 mpg 460?
what makes a cobra
Re: Cab 4 sale
Ford OD auto trans reliability
Re: OD in '78
Battery Update
Re: Cab 4 sale
] what makes a cobra
Re: Gary Fires Up!
Re: 21 mpg 460?
Re: Politics AND Ford Trucks...
Re: Cab 4 sale
Re: OD in '78

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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: reliability of OD
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:35:26 -0500

Just 128k? =P, Our '88 Lincoln just hit 201k, can't believe that it still
doesn't burn oil.

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> automatic O.D in a 88 mercury thats got 140,000 miles on it and a 84
marquis
> as well with 130,000 on it with no trouble with any of them YET
> GORDON

Both electronic. 88 is the same as in my Towncar. 128K and going strong.

-- John
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: none <pssminatl yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Politics AND Ford Trucks...

 Well... Here we go again. Think those "in charge"
really want to follow the rules? Think they wouldn't
ever violate your constitutionally guaranteed rights?
Think again. Straight from the AP newswire we have
another story on the civil rights storm brewing down
in Florida. Seems some folks who think they can do
whatever they want have gone and completely trampled
the rights of countless citizens via criminal
trespassing and destruction of private property not to
mention violating the right to due process yada, yada,
yada.

 What am I talking about? The Florida "Canker War".
The Dept of Agriculture has been sending out crews to
cut down trees as they see fit in an attempt to remove
citrus canker which IIRC is basically a form of
blight. It destroys the fruit and eventually the tree
via a bacteria also IIRC. Problem is the these so
called "crews" have the right to cut down ANY tree
within 1900 feet of any supposedly infected tree. All
without due process of law and clearly in violation of
the US constitution. How bad is it? Article I read
says they were often cutting down 5000+ trees EVERY
DAY!!! It's been building up since 1995. That was when
the Dept of Agri supposedly gained the 'authority' to
do what it has done.

 So what is the relevance to FTE here? Think of what
would happen if some bozo slipped thru some obscure
law banning certain vehicles from the road like they
tried to in Oregon awhile back. Suddenly you'd go
outside to find your property and quite possibly your
favorite hobby going down the road straight to the
crusher. At gunpoint. And if you 'resisted' then you'd
be arrested and thrown into the slammer like many
folks in Florida have. I'll bet you'd be REALLY
interested in politics and the law then...

 I blame our current presidential administration for
this fiasco like most of the other benders we've had
for the last 8 years involving civil rights but that
is just MHO. All I really want to do is encourage
folks to examine the issues carefully and get out and
VOTE VOTE VOTE. You have a voice so let yourself be
heard. And if your value your rights as well as your
truck you must be willing to speak out. Freedom has a
heavy price attached to it and none of us can afford
to sit back and watch a supposedly 'enlightened' few
speak out and set the standard for the rest of us.
Think of yourself, your family, your friends and the
future generations to come. What you do now certainly
does affect the not so distant future. Persecution
always starts in the most subtle ways so be on guard
all day EVERY DAY!

I'd personally like to thank everyone who keeps an
eye on the world around them. I'd like to thank Azie
for his quips of wisdom and reminders of the price of
freedom. Also to support our troops. I'd also like to
thank our own list dad Ken for notifying us when
legislation crops up that may affect our hobby whether
directly or indirectly. If we all pitched in we could
easily cover all the states (via the web) and post
trouble warnings as to when nasty bills pop up in the
legislature. Like house bill 2099 (I think it was
2099) that would force ANYONE who owned a gun to
register it for a special 'tax'. Of course they didn't
call it a gun registration per se but a 'tax'.
Naturally anyone with 1/2 a brain could see the real
reasoning behind this sinister bill (want details?
E-mail me personally).

 My apologies to Ken and the list for sucking up
major bandwidth but I had to seriously vent. As stated
before, this kind of thing makes me want to sell
everything off and start the next American Revolution.
Now stepping off the soapbox...         J. Allison

Ps The AP newswire has had many stories covering the
Florida "Canker War". Search the web and I'm sure
you'll nail at least a few web sites that provide the
full monty on the bruhaha...


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:14:46 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits

Hey Rich!

Why not just buy new yolks?   They aren't that expensive and are still
available through dana/spicer dealer.

The guys I ALWAYS go to with any of my needs is Sam Winer Motors.  they
rebuilt my transfer case entirely (new yolks, input/output shafts, bearings
countershaft gears, etc) about a year ago, and it's just gorgeous...  Very
good people and good prices.

Call them-  330-628-0948.   They laugh when I walk in the door now because
I'm there so often.. ;-)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com

At 22:59 10/22/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>While contemplating the second restore of my 76 F250 next year, I'm
>compiling a list of needed parts.  Other than I need almost everthing, one
>thing sticks in my mind from the last overhaul.  I replaced all the seals in
>my divorced Xfer case during the last restore almost 15 years ago.  I
>noticed then that all of the yolks had VERY deep grooves in them.  Is there
>a sleeve kit available for these?  Another question, since these sleeves are
>so thin, how long do they last before the new seals cut thru them down to
>the original groove?  I was thinking of possibly putting JB weld in the
>grooves of the yolk and sliding on the sleeve before it hardens.  Would this
>work?
>
>TIA
>Rich
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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:52:02 -0400

> The guys I ALWAYS go to with any of my needs is Sam Winer Motors.  they
> rebuilt my transfer case entirely (new yolks, input/output shafts,
bearings
> countershaft gears, etc) about a year ago, and it's just gorgeous...  Very
> good people and good prices.
> Tony Marino
> redneck raex.com

Tony

Many thanks, Will call them tommorrow.  If you don't mind my asking, how
much did they charge to rebuild your transfer case?  I know gears can get
EXPENSIVE.

thanks
Rich


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:00:33 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits

$825 dollars and basically the only thing they used was the case.. haha..
8-)  The guy who did mine (who I just talked to the other day and is
building me a NP542 with OVERDRIVE for my '76 F-250 4x4) is awesome-  when
it came back it took them a week, had all new grade-8 bolts, lock washers,
every part was tanked, all seal surfaces re-finished ground and painted,
and it looked literally like new with the nice polished aluminum parts on
spicer orange case.. 8-)  Then they sprayed it with some slime/gunky stuff
that is still on it today that sealed it all up and is tacky to feel.   I
think I have a picture of it done here somewhere!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ceoweb.mts.kent.edu/~mustang/205divorced1.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ceoweb.mts.kent.edu/~mustang/205divorced1.jpg

Do me a favor if you talk to them- tell them I sent ya'.. ;-)  Oh yeah- and
consider using radius arm poly urethane bushings for your transfer case
mounts-- if you cut them in half, and buy two sets, they make awesome tight
bushings for your crossmember plates.. 8-)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com



At 19:52 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote:
> > The guys I ALWAYS go to with any of my needs is Sam Winer Motors.  they
> > rebuilt my transfer case entirely (new yolks, input/output shafts,
>bearings
> > countershaft gears, etc) about a year ago, and it's just gorgeous...  Very
> > good people and good prices.
> > Tony Marino
> > redneck raex.com
>
>Tony
>
>Many thanks, Will call them tommorrow.  If you don't mind my asking, how
>much did they charge to rebuild your transfer case?  I know gears can get
>EXPENSIVE.
>
>thanks
>Rich
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From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:12:10 -0700

> Hey Rich!
>
> Why not just buy new yolks?   They aren't that expensive and are still
> available through dana/spicer dealer.

>
> Tony Marino
> redneck raex.com
~~~~~~~~~~

   I second that motion. New yokes can't be 'that' expensive, and they
should last many years/miles without worries.


Michael



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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:32:49 -0400

Well You convinced me.  No Sleeve kit's for my 205.  I have a 4 yr old that
is looking forward to christmas, every toy she see's on TV she say's "I want
that".  After seeing the pic of your 205, I showed SWMBO and said " I want
that" :)  Hope she can take a hint :)  Can you tell me what year\make of
ford truck to get the radius arm bushings for?

Rich

> $825 dollars and basically the only thing they used was the case.. haha..
> 8-)  The guy who did mine (who I just talked to the other day and is
> building me a NP542 with OVERDRIVE for my '76 F-250 4x4) is awesome-  when
> it came back it took them a week, had all new grade-8 bolts, lock washers,
> every part was tanked, all seal surfaces re-finished ground and painted,
> and it looked literally like new with the nice polished aluminum parts on
> spicer orange case.. 8-)  Then they sprayed it with some slime/gunky stuff
> that is still on it today that sealed it all up and is tacky to feel.   I
> think I have a picture of it done here somewhere!
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ceoweb.mts.kent.edu/~mustang/205divorced1.jpg
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ceoweb.mts.kent.edu/~mustang/205divorced1.jpg
> Tony Marino
> redneck raex.com



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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:37:48 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits

Hahaha- that's funny-- "I WANT THAT!"

Yeah, just get two sets of '73-79 ford 4x4 (2 wheel drives are the same I'm
pretty sure) radius arm bushing kits..    Then take them, and cut them all
in half.   you'll have 1/2 that have no lip on them, and 1/2 that has a
little O-ring lip on them... Shave down that O-ring lip about 1/2 way also,
and gets some 3/4 inch fender washers..  just use a washer on the bottom
bushing, adn one on the top, and sandwitch those bushings on the steel
plate that bolts to the crossmember. that O-ring area will press right into
the hole in the mounting plates like it was made to be there!

Ps- for other side of transfer case-- change that one URL to a "2" instead
of a "1" at the end... duh.. 8-)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com


At 20:32 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>Well You convinced me.  No Sleeve kit's for my 205.  I have a 4 yr old that
>is looking forward to christmas, every toy she see's on TV she say's "I want
>that".  After seeing the pic of your 205, I showed SWMBO and said " I want
>that" :)  Hope she can take a hint :)  Can you tell me what year\make of
>ford truck to get the radius arm bushings for?
>
>Rich


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From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:52:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Cab 4 sale

In a message dated 10/22/2000 11:11:52 AM EST, greg gregster.com writes:

<< for sale including a Dana 60 and 70. I don't know the ratios yet.

Gregster >>
            Come up with a price for the Dana 70 . I might be interested.

     Steve

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: OD in '78
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:08:36 -0700

Well we all know about the most popular racing transmission of all
time......the two speed Hydramatic which was designed to work with under
powered 6 cylinder engines yet can be built up to work with very large
engines.  Much of the trouble with trannys is due to poor engineer
estimations of the needs.  They try to get them too smooth at the cost of
longevity.  The weakest point of the E4OD is the OD gear set.  Since it runs
all the time it wears faster than other parts of the tranny and since it has
very small gears they are weaker than the basic C-6 set and this tranny is
used with the largest engines.  The biggest problem with the 4R70 is lack of
oil flow to the lock up mechanism but all OD's have the same weakness, the
over driven,  smallish gears used most of the time which eventually self
destruct.  Why do you suppose new (OD) trannys virtually all have oil
coolers where they didn't used to in the old days and why do you suppose all
the new ones recommend more frequent oil changes??

What would you say is the most common transmission up grade and why is that
so????

My guess is shift kits......why?  BECAUSE THEY DON'T SHIFT RIGHT IN THE
FIRST PLACE!!!!  Many of these kits alter the oil flow to servos to force
more robust shifts and the advertised purpose for this is........?  LONGER
TRANSMISSION LIFE!!!

Ok, I agree up to a point but it was mentioned in the last heated debate
that shifting too hard can actually reduce the life too so there is a nice
happy balance there somewhere but they don't come from the factory set up
with it for sure, unfortunately :-(

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)



> Unfortunately, how the tranny senses the shift point isn't the problem.
The
> non-electronic trannies were generally the first design to go to
production.
> The failures were caused by inadequate oil circulation to clutch packs and
> gear units.


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 21 mpg 460?
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:29:46 -0700

Wish I had taken some notes on that one because I was incredulous myself but
he went back and checked his figures and notes he took on each fillup on the
way down and said it looked right, he didn"t think he made any mistakes.  I
firmly believe the 460 can be made to do this but not with standard, off the
shelf stuff.  A super tuned Rochester, right cam,  right gearing etc. or
nicely tuned EFI system with right cam etc. would do it.

Remember we only get about 12% efficiency out of these in factory trim so
there is a lot of room for improvement.  BTW, most of this loss is heat
loss, not power or friction loss.  The engine materials can only stand so
much heat before they start to break down so you have to keep it cooled to
some designated value.  This cooling is what lowers the efficiency more than
any other single factor.  Lower pump  gas octane is also a factor.  If we
could have unlimited octane at our disposal who knows what we might be able
to get out of them.

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> 21??, musta been all downhill :-) Sure must be one light truck. Was the
> programmiing on EFI stock?
>
>
>                                     OX



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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:49:12 -0700
From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: what makes a cobra

Just to sound really dumb, what makes an engine a cobra jet?

--
Andrew Rolfsen
1965 Ford F100 Flare Side 351c
1968 Mercury Cougar 302
1966 Plymouth Fury III 318



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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:32:36 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Cab 4 sale

Eric Finn wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Great.  Please do keep me posted.  I'm not sure if the 2WD and 4WD
> boxes
> are interchangeable.  You'll probably be seeing a post on the list
> from me
> in the not too distant future regarding some of this stuff.  BTW where
> do
> you live?  I'm just outside Philadelphia , PA.
>
> Later,
>
> Eric

I don't think any 2WD's are interchangable with 4WD's. I have 4 trucks
in the bone yard (2 - 2WD's and 2 - 4WD's, '75 to '78) and they're not
even close. Hoping to get this F350 Crewcab home this weekend, then I'll
know more 'bout it.

I live in southern part of Maine, ayuh. My better half is from
Levittown, PA ... we'll be going there this X-mas.

Have a good-un,
Greg




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From: "James Hodgson" <hodgson2 ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Ford OD auto trans reliability
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:20:18 -0400


I'm on the tail end of this discussion, and all three of my Ford trucks are manual trans, but I do have extensive experience with the automatic OD transmission in police car applications. Although us admin types are relatively easy on our vehicles, not so for the typical 23 - 27 year old deputy responding to calls around a rural county. I'd say that this qualifies as at least equal to typical truck usage, and our service from them is great. We commonly get at least100K miles from new Crown Vics before any transmission problems, and the rebuild lasts until the vehicle is surplused from the fleet. Our fleet manager verifies that there is no reliability comparison with the General's products when new, and the C---y auto ODs are typically good for only about 30K miles per rebuild. Another good reason we are purging all the C---ys from the fleet. Now if I could just get the Sheriff to add a few new F-250s to the fleet!


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: OD in '78
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:49 -0700

You will see OD's whether they are needed or not because it is a magic word
in car and truck sales just like "High Performance", "Wide Track", "V-8",
"32 Valve" etc....

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying here, I agree that more gears are an
advantage in a truck but OD's are not necessarily the answer.  There are 5
and 6 speed transmissions out there for medium trucks for this reason.
Personally I would rather downshift to 4th from a 1:1 5th for hills and have
the 1:1 high gear for cruising :-)  They can do this too but for some
reason, only the bean counters will ever know, they don't :-(

For heavy trucks this is correct but for a truck that never pulls more than
twice it's weight the 460 has enough torque to handle it with a wide ratio
tranny IMHO.  I've hauled my pickup with 2 tons of stone on it and if it had
decent tires the 460 would still have been loafing.  The weak link in that
case was the rear axle and tires and that with 2.75 gears :-)  This engine
always feels like it would simply break some part in the drive train if I
loaded it enough to really make it work.......

I hope you guys understand that it matters not one whitt what rear gear you
have.  If the transmission has enough gear to produce the needed "Over all,
Final ratio" you could run 1:1 in the rear end but there would be drive
train trade offs.  One of the reasons they use 4.10 gears in trucks with
dana 60's is that the axles on the dana 60's can handle the added torque and
they can use the same drive shaft as for a lighter setup.  Another reason
they do this is that the 16" tires have a larger over all diameter  than
normal 15" tires so need more gear to allow the use of the same
transmissions without expensive speedo and other changes.......more
modularity on the assy lline etc...

My bronco has 42:1 in low low with  3.50 gears.  As long as I maintain the
42:1 final ratio the bronco and it's engine don't give a hoot in the holler
what the rear gear ratio is.  The weakest link in the drive train will give
up first in any case and by changing axles, rear gears etc. you can change
where that weak link is but it has no effect on the performance otherwise if
you maintain the same final ratio.

The C-6's in the 78's were wide ratio which dropped the low gear 11%.  If
you add 11% to the rear gear the 2.75  would act like a 3.05 in low and
still be 2.75 in high.  Second gear also has a slight reduction which works
well with the 460.  These ratios are also the standard ratio set in the E4OD
which explains why even the 4.2 V-6 gets off the line pretty well with a
3.55 rear gear.  Now in low gear it acts like a 3.94 rear gear but in OD
it's more like a 3.00 gear which is still lower than 2.75 but taller than
the actual rear gear so with this engine an OD makes good sense even
unloaded.

My biggest complaint is not the added gear ratios but the added gears which
actually give less over all advantage than the numbers would seem to
indicate due to the added energy losses.

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> If this was the case, we wouldn't be seeing OD transmissions in F250 and
> 350s.  The advantage of the OD transmission is not only for the OD gear,
but
> for the ability to have a lower geared diff for pulling grunt, more gear
> choices in between, without sacrificing the mileage.

> Sure, but with a 2.75 rear, you lose the pulling capability of say a 4.10
> gear.  With the 2.75 you really have an OD ratio, but without the low end
> gearing at the other end.  Sure a 2.75 might work great for a truck that
> doesn't get worked hard and just runs around town, but falls short when it
> comes
> time to pull a trailer or a load of firewood.



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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:26:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee <danlee_58 yahoo.com>
Subject: Battery Update

I took my 37 month old 75 month warranted battery back
to the Auto Store where I purchased it. After they
tested it on their machine, they gave me $20.00 credit
on a new battery. I used the credit to purchase a
$130.00 1050 ca Optima and #2 AWG battery cables and a
#2 AWG starter cable. After installion I tried
starting it. Now it cranks like it has an air starter,
and starts right up. It always started OK before, but
if I flooded it, then I had no recovery. It may take a
few cold mornings to check out completely, but I think
that my starting problems are over for a while.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:22:27 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Cab 4 sale



WEDIVE247 aol.com wrote:

>
>              Come up with a price for the Dana 70 . I might be interested.
>
>       Steve

I'll talk to Jim about prices ... we own this truck together. It should be a
reasonable price cuz we're running out of storage room and gotta get rid of
some things we won't use. I'll get back to ya.

Greg



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: ] what makes a cobra
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:50:51 -0400





> Just to sound really dumb, what makes an engine a cobra jet?
===================================================
block webbing
heads
rods
cam shaft
pistons
intake
these were all heavier duty than the regular engines were
gordon



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Gary Fires Up!
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:56:51 -0700

It's been in the mid 70's for over a week now and no rain.  They'll be
calling me a California guy pretty soon :-)

I just got done with a......."Vehicle", trying to save my neighbor a little
cash.......Quick rear brake patch job right?......wrong!  All new hardware
about $30, new shoes $11, used old drums, un-turned, honed cylinders and
cleaned them up, packed the bearings, replaced all the lines up to the front
half of the vehicle and my double flare tool broke, then the new tool
adapter broke and I repaired it to discover that there is a reason for such
a small pin......DARN!  Can't make a decent flare now and I still have a
leak......RATS!

Rear links gone,  right rear coil spring broken, front links shot, right
front outer tie rod end gone, CV boots gone......SHEESH!

For $124 plus what she spent on hardware, about $33 as I recall I fixed the
rear brakes as described, replaced the rear links, tie rod end and front
calipers (rotors and pads were good) and spent parts of 4 days chasing
parts, contacting the owner,  trying to do it right on a shoe string
but.......I learned quite a bit from this experience:

1..Even if it's a shoe string job you still need to analyze the whole car or
truck because you don't want to send the person out on the road in an unsafe
vehicle.

2..Take inventory, make a list, estimate minimal cost and best case fix etc.
and give them a few reasonable choices before beginning work.

3..Make a plan, get all the tools together, analyze my realistic
capabilities, put together a parts list, check it over and over then go to
town and get them.

4..Don't hesitate to ask for a little labor for your trouble but don't be
afraid to admit when you are out of your league or you will pay for it
later.  Don't take on work that is hopeless for you to accomplish within
their overly thin budget......Maybe that should be rule number one, eh?

Next week I will replace the left front axle and two outer tie rod ends on
her dad's "Vehicle" which already has new rear everything (did that already
:-)).

I guess "Expensive" is in the wallet of the beholder.......I thought she got
a pretty good deal myself and a vehicle that runs, stops and turns safely
now.  I feel good about helping her out and she feels good to be able to go
to her new job in her own vehicle again.....:-)  Maybe next year I'll get
started on my trucks.........

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

>   Is it snowing in your part of the country Gary???

> If we're in such an unbelievably prosperous economic
> era, then why do aftermarket parts cost me an arm AND
> a leg??? See Clifford for details. Nuff said.



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 21 mpg 460?
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:15:32 -0400

A super tuned Rochester,
======================================================
A What
i didnt know they even made such a critter for a ford
thats a G.M. carb
gordon



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Politics AND Ford Trucks...
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:27:08 -0400

You cant blame everything on Clinton now really seeing as most of the laws
are being made by his opposition and anything he does propose has to be
approved by his opposers per se
remember the campaine pledge of no new taxes of a few years ago
and what about the last time we had a so called enrgy crunch that took the
price of fuel and doubled it is it a coincidence that it was when 1 party
had held office for a few years and the other party wanted to take over so
upped the price of fuel and then let them try to deal with and take all the
blame
i dont think so
did the fuel costs ever recede back to their prices before this NO
currently there are many folks trying to take away our priviledges one way
or the other really and raising the cost of oil is just one of the more
outwardly ways of keeping us from driving our vehicles we enjoy so much
gordon



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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: Cab 4 sale
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:38:10 -0400

Is the dana 60 a front axle?  If you're around phila pa, I might be
interested as well.






WEDIVE247 aol.com wrote:

>
>              Come up with a price for the Dana 70 . I might be interested.
>
>       Steve

I'll talk to Jim about prices ... we own this truck together. It should be a
reasonable price cuz we're running out of storage room and gotta get rid of
some things we won't use. I'll get back to ya.

Greg


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:12:32 -0700

Answers within:

> One of the reasons they use 4.10 gears in trucks with
> dana 60's is that the axles on the dana 60's can handle the added torque
and
> they can use the same drive shaft as for a lighter setup.
If your running the same overall ratio, the axle shafts will see the exact
same torque whether it has 2.75 or 4.10 gears.   And comparing a wide ratio
C6 to an E4OD (same gear ratios, I think you mentioned) the driveshaft will
also be seeing the same torque multiplication.



>
> My bronco has 42:1 in low low with  3.50 gears.
Only 42:1?  When I'm finished with my transfer case in the Bronco, I'll have
323:1 crawl ratio (a stock cruise RPM) and 16 gears to choose from.  :^)
Sorry I couldn't keep the excitement to myself.

> As long as I maintain the
> 42:1 final ratio the bronco and it's engine don't give a hoot in the
holler
> what the rear gear ratio is.  The weakest link in the drive train will
give
> up first in any case and by changing axles, rear gears etc. you can change
> where that weak link is but it has no effect on the performance otherwise
if ....


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