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61-79-list Digest Sat, 21 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 304

In This Issue:
Re: distributor for FE
Re: distributor for FE
Re: OD in '78
Re: OD in '78
460 down shifts
Re: 400 fuel problem
Gary Fires Up!
Re: old smokey
Re: OD in '78
Re: Rare truck
Re: Rare truck
NP205 Sleeve Kits
old smokey
trucks for sale
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: 400 fuel problem
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Re: 400 fuel problem
Re: OD in '78
Re: OD in '78
Cab 4 sale
Holley 351/400 fuel pump  60 GPH 7.5 PSI
1969 F100 4x4
Re: 1969 F100 4x4

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From: daves8 juno.com
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:25:07 -0600
Subject: Re: distributor for FE

Hey, bkp...

I have one just like it -- no vacuum advance, but dual point, not
breakerless.  Probably has 25 miles on it.  Otherwise new in box.

After your auction is done, maybe someone will want this one.

Any offers now?

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:28:27 -0500 prices <prices mciworld.com> writes:
> Hey FE engine fans, I have posted a brand new Mallory Unilite
distributor
> for sale on ebay, no reserve.  Fits FE Fords, it never was installed.
Would
> make any FE rebuilder happy.
>
> bkp

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From: "gene baker" <bakergene hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: distributor for FE
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:30:02 CDT

Dave,
How much are you asking for the distributor. If the price is right, I wil
probably be interested in taking it off your hands.

Thanks
Gene Baker


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>CC: prices mciworld.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: distributor for FE
>Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:25:07 -0600
>
>Hey, bkp...
>
>I have one just like it -- no vacuum advance, but dual point, not
>breakerless.  Probably has 25 miles on it.  Otherwise new in box.
>
>After your auction is done, maybe someone will want this one.
>
>Any offers now?
>
>Dave Schoenberg
>Arvada, Colorado
>
>On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:28:27 -0500 prices <prices mciworld.com> writes:
> > Hey FE engine fans, I have posted a brand new Mallory Unilite
>distributor
> > for sale on ebay, no reserve.  Fits FE Fords, it never was installed.
>Would
> > make any FE rebuilder happy.
> >
> > bkp
>
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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: OD in '78
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:36:42 -0700

Well I have the 2.75 rear and wide ratio C-6 with the 460 and have never
seen a situation it didn't have the beans to do anything I wanted.  It
shifts out of first under normal, sedate driving at about 3 mph, second
about 15 mph and pulls happily at 15 mph with any load but, of course, down
shifts when necessary too (at exactly the right place, unlike the 4R70 piece
a #$#$%%^$%$##) :-)  I can normally pass on the highway without down
shifting and wish it wouldn't down shift in fact because it actually pulls
harder in high gear due to the cam which gives best performance at lower
rpms.

My point was that the power band of the 460 is so wide and even at the
bottom has so much torque that OD's are not necessary to get the best
mileage out of them.  Obviously, the more weight you pull with it the more
likely you will run into a  need for more gear such as the big trucks do.
(but not an OD, more gears at the bottom :-))  I talked to a fellow at PF
this year who drove his 460 some distance and to the best of his knowledge
got 21 mpg.  I know this can be done with the right tune and will some day
try to achieve it myself.  His was an EFI version as I recall but don't
remember what tranny he had.

I would venture to guess that the OD, if they have them, on big trucks is
used only for returning empty or running with no trailer.

The thing is, once you hit the E-way the OD becomes a burden on the engine
(for reasons I already pointed out) and the wide ratio C-6 or even 4 speed
NP435 will do just as well on mileage since both the OD and the 78 trucks
(2.75 rear gear) will have about the same over all final drive ratio on the
Eway but around  town or in areas where you spend a lot of time at 45-50 mph
then the OD may have an edge and if you do HEAVY towing I can see the
advantage of an extra gear but to use the OD to get more mileage from the
460 I still believe is a mistake.  I believe it can be done more easily with
the right cam and carb etc. in most cases.  Heavy towing may be an exception
:-)

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Why not?  It's not really a matter of how much torque is available at the
> transmission, its about running the engine at a lower RPM for fuel
economy,



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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:49:46 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78



Gary wrote:
>
 I talked to a fellow at PF
> this year who drove his 460 some distance and to the best of his knowledge
> got 21 mpg.  I know this can be done with the right tune and will some day
> try to achieve it myself.  His was an EFI version as I recall but don't
> remember what tranny he had.

21??, musta been all downhill :-) Sure must be one light truck. Was the
programmiing on EFI stock?


                                   OX

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: 460 down shifts
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:09:02 -0400

I can normally pass on the highway without down
> shifting and wish it wouldn't down shift in fact because it actually pulls
> harder in high gear due to the cam which gives best performance at lower
> rpms.
======================================================try readjusting the
kick down linkage for the tranny that should prevent it from down shifting
before you want it too
i done this with my 62 t bird and now it doesnt unless its shoved to the
floor all the way
gordon



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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 400 fuel problem
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:33:06 -0700

<snip>
> pipe. I originally thought I was experiencing vapor lock from the
> exhaust heat transferring to the metal fuel lines on their way to the
> fuel pump. The reason I am wondering about this is that I towed my
> travel trailer to the Kaibab forest from my home in Page, AZ yesterday
> and experienced fuel starvation that made me have to let my
> foot off the
> gas and slow down but it would not totally die off. The really strange
> thing is that once I was there, the truck ran poorly without
> even having
> the trailer on it driving on dirt roads.
>
<snip>

I have experienced the exact same symptoms.  Mine was intermittent and would
come and go away on its own.  Changed the fuel filter and it went away
forever.

Tom H.

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: none <pssminatl yahoo.com>
Subject: Gary Fires Up!

 Is it snowing in your part of the country Gary???
Seems someone has lit up a fire under your butt :) Or
is it just that you have soooooo much more time in
your retirement years to 'vent' ;)


>From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
>Re:   OD in '78
> I don't know what you mean by "Early" but my 92 Bird
was wonderful as is my 93 Aerostar but... my
#$%^^%$# #%^& 94 Bird with the highly touted
computerized, Hoity
Toity, hot to trot fancy dancy transmission is a piece
of garbage...
-SNIP-
>Happily Totally Retired,
>Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

Hey! I can't wait to get to retirement!!! I'll be
sittin around all day long w/my Ford toys... Question.
If we're in such an unbelievably prosperous economic
era, then why do aftermarket parts cost me an arm AND
a leg??? See Clifford for details. Nuff said.
                                    J. Allison
Ps Only teasing Gary!

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:59:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Tranny Lockup
From: Brett L Habben <bhabben juno.com>

Folks,
Another wrinkle in the converter saga.  In the quest for mileage (and
reduced emissions), they reduced engine cruise rpm's down to around 1500
rpm's.  One problem.  What's the torque converter's stall speed?  That's
right, they were  running the engine so slow that the torque converter
was slipping.  There goes the mileage with a heat buildup to boot. Hence,
the necessity for lock-up converters.
Bottom line; don't expect to just regear your rear axle for 1500 rpm's
cruise with a non-lockup tranny.
Brett
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From: "Serian" <serian mailandnews.com>
Subject: Re: old smokey
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:43:10 -0400

> opinions...particularly regarding where that smoke might
> be coming from.  Any input would be appreciated.

Smoke color is a good indicator:

blue = burning oil; might be valve stem seals or piston rings

white = getting coolant into the cylinders; likely a blown
head gasket or cracked block or head

black = excessively rich fuel/air mix or misfiring



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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:11:20 -0700

Answers imbedded:

> My point was that the power band of the 460 is so wide and even at the
> bottom has so much torque that OD's are not necessary to get the best
> mileage out of them.
If this was the case, we wouldn't be seeing OD transmissions in F250 and
350s.  The advantage of the OD transmission is not only for the OD gear, but
for the ability to have a lower geared diff for pulling grunt, more gear
choices in between, without sacrificing the mileage.  My diesel makes major
torque at 1/2 the RPM that the typical 460 does.  If it had a C6, I'd be
really stretching it to get 10-12 mpg out of it.  With the OD coming in
about 30 mph, I'm getting 16 mpg in town and low 20's on the highway if I
drive conservatively with no load (4.10 gears).

> Obviously, the more weight you pull with it the more
> likely you will run into a  need for more gear such as the big trucks do.
> (but not an OD, more gears at the bottom :-))
Actually, with an OD and closer gear splits to keep the engine in the
relatively narrow powerband.


> I talked to a fellow at PF
> this year who drove his 460 some distance and to the best of his knowledge
> got 21 mpg.  I know this can be done with the right tune and will some day
> try to achieve it myself.  His was an EFI version as I recall but don't
> remember what tranny he had.
My brother in law has a '79 Bronco with a '94 EFI 460, C6 and 3.50 gears.
On the highway, he is lucky to scrape 12 mpg out of this combination.  The
highest I have ever heard out of a 460 is around 17 on the highway.  IMO
(and 460 experience) 21 mpg is really a stretch of the imagination in a full
size pickup.

> I would venture to guess that the OD, if they have them, on big trucks is
> used only for returning empty or running with no trailer.
No.  Running on level ground with 80- 105,500 lbs, 1900 lb/ft of torque will
pull an overdrive easily.
I've ridden in trucks with 600 hp CAT's, 18 speeds, 3.70 gears that will
easily run 130+ mph with 80,000 lbs across the desert.  I still hear the Tim
"The Tool Man" grunt every time I think about that ride.


> The thing is, once you hit the E-way the OD becomes a burden on the engine
> (for reasons I already pointed out) and the wide ratio C-6 or even 4 speed
> NP435 will do just as well on mileage since both the OD and the 78 trucks
> (2.75 rear gear) will have about the same over all final drive ratio on
the
Sure, but with a 2.75 rear, you lose the pulling capability of say a 4.10
gear.  With the 2.75 you really have an OD ratio, but without the low end
gearing at the other end.  Sure a 2.75 might work great for a truck that
doesn't get worked hard and just runs around town, but falls short when it
comes
time to pull a trailer or a load of firewood.

Jason
Wishing I was retired :^)
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"




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From: "Carver" <carver ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: Re: Rare truck
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:14:19 -0700

This looks like a '65 crewcab with a hacked in bed.
The badges on the side are 65/66 while the grill is '65.

Pre-production rear door hinges are external, while these
are internal, as Ford did with '65+ production CrewCabs.
The cab height looks normal to me, regular cabs look too
tall in my mind.  But then again I see a '64 crewcab everyday.

Ford started production of CrewCabs in '65, anything before
that is a coachbuilt or custom rig.

The large gap between the cab and bed looks like a hackjob
bed installation, maybe some frame lengthening too.
Looks like a '65 Ch*** I saw in a mag with the frame
lengthened to accept a standard long bed.

Is it easier to lengthen a frame than shorten a bed???

Something's hacked into the front bumper.  Part of the 4WD stuff?

A '65 4WD would have a Flareside bed, not a Styleside, I believe.

It looks like a standard long bed from a '63 to me, not shortened.
Got the passenger door from the donor truck too.

A great find, but out of my league.  If you find out I bought
this truck, you can rest assured you know who won the lotto tonight!
and I'd tow it home in a brand spanking new F150 SuperCrew.

Jeff  '64 F100 CrewCab
-----------------------------------------------------------------
is it just me or does it look like a custom job? The bed is too short. and
the
top of the cab looks extended and raised.
--------------------------
This has got to be a rare find.  Just checking out eBay this evening and
came across this diamond in the very rough.  It's a 1963 four door, four
wheel drive.  Anybody know how many of these might have been produced?  It's
in Texas if anyone is interested.  One major drawback.......some clown stuck
a 350 P*n^%c engine in it.  Blasphemy.

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:56:11 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: Rare truck

>
>
>It looks like a standard long bed from a '63 to me, not shortened.
>Got the passenger door from the donor truck too.


Bed and door have to be donor.

>
>A great find, but out of my league.  If you find out I bought
>this truck, you can rest assured you know who won the lotto tonight!
>and I'd tow it home in a brand spanking new F150 SuperCrew.

If that ticket of mine even comes close I would have to get something
with a little more beef to tow that beast home.  Thinking one of the
450's 4x4 gota be diesel  :)

>
>Jeff  '64 F100 CrewCab
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:59:38 -0400

While contemplating the second restore of my 76 F250 next year, I'm
compiling a list of needed parts.  Other than I need almost everthing, one
thing sticks in my mind from the last overhaul.  I replaced all the seals in
my divorced Xfer case during the last restore almost 15 years ago.  I
noticed then that all of the yolks had VERY deep grooves in them.  Is there
a sleeve kit available for these?  Another question, since these sleeves are
so thin, how long do they last before the new seals cut thru them down to
the original groove?  I was thinking of possibly putting JB weld in the
grooves of the yolk and sliding on the sleeve before it hardens.  Would this
work?

TIA
Rich


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: old smokey
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:08:47 -0400




> > opinions...particularly regarding where that smoke might
> > be coming from.  Any input would be appreciated.
=====================================================
another thought is the ranny modulator valve if its a a automatic tranny
i have had them go bad and smoke like a freight train really but not use
much tranny fluid at all just a little being sucked into the intake will
really cause em to smoke terrible
gordon



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: trucks for sale
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:16:19 -0400

found this 57 f 100 for sale with a 428 in it if anyone is interested it has
been modified some but looks pretty good really even if it isnt a OEM body
they did look to have  done a nice job on it but looks can be decieving tho
i guess from a photo
heres the link to it
gordon

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ep.com/js/mi/c0/n0/488193.html



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:33:12 -0400

I was thinking of possibly putting JB weld in the
> grooves of the yolk and sliding on the sleeve before it hardens
====================================================
i wouldnt even try it
gordon



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From: "ben" <stevee itis.com>
Subject: Re: 400 fuel problem
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:32:16 -0500

It was the middle of winter when I did this. I thought of that but after the
first half hour of flushing It was starting to cool off and the driveway was
turning into ice and I was starting to freeze as well. So I slapped the tank
back on a borrowed a car and drove down to the hardware store to pick up the
filter. It was my only transportation at the time and I had to be at work in
the morning. I need one of those heated garages with the built in floor
drains so I can work on my trucks year round.

>you could have used acid or drano and a few other things to clean the sugar
>out of the tank
>gordon




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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:43:17 -0400


> I was thinking of possibly putting JB weld in the
> > grooves of the yolk and sliding on the sleeve before it hardens
> ====================================================
> i wouldnt even try it
> gordon

Just wondering, why not?


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: NP205 Sleeve Kits
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 05:37:44 -0400

if that stuff comes off where it going to go
right into the tranny then your really going to have problems then
better off to not use it all i would say i stuck one of those sleeves on my
truck yoke a few yrs ago and its not went bad yet
gordon


>
> > I was thinking of possibly putting JB weld in the
> > > grooves of the yolk and sliding on the sleeve before it hardens
> > ====================================================
> > i wouldnt even try it
> > gordon
>
> Just wondering, why not?
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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 06:57:54 EDT
Subject: Re: 400 fuel problem

I'd like to put my Ditto on the same situation. I've put in several fuel
pumps into my Bronco as they like to "go weak" when they fail. By weal I mean
they wont supply fuel under a full load (accelerating uphill with the A/C on,
etc.). I've had this happen 3 times in the 150k I've owned my Bronco and all
have went in this same way. It'll run fine on the flat and level, round town,
and the like, but with a load it's nogo. Had one fuel pump almost strand me
just west of Alberquque, but one over the summit, she ran fine into town
(where I replaced the pump as the family units ate pizza)

That's my 2 cents worth.

George M in Fl.

In a message dated 10/21/00 5:34:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com writes:

<< <snip>
> pipe. I originally thought I was experiencing vapor lock from the
> exhaust heat transferring to the metal fuel lines on their way to the
> fuel pump. The reason I am wondering about this is that I towed my
> travel trailer to the Kaibab forest from my home in Page, AZ yesterday
> and experienced fuel starvation that made me have to let my
> foot off the
> gas and slow down but it would not totally die off. The really strange
> thing is that once I was there, the truck ran poorly without
> even having
> the trailer on it driving on dirt roads.
>
<snip>

I have experienced the exact same symptoms.  Mine was intermittent and would
come and go away on its own.  Changed the fuel filter and it went away
forever.
 >>

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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: OD in '78
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:41:28 -0700

<snip>
> > The thing is, once you hit the E-way the OD becomes a
> burden on the engine
> > (for reasons I already pointed out) and the wide ratio C-6
> or even 4 speed
> > NP435 will do just as well on mileage since both the OD and
> the 78 trucks
> > (2.75 rear gear) will have about the same over all final
> drive ratio on
> the
> Sure, but with a 2.75 rear, you lose the pulling capability
> of say a 4.10
> gear.  With the 2.75 you really have an OD ratio, but without
> the low end
> gearing at the other end.  Sure a 2.75 might work great for a
> truck that
> doesn't get worked hard and just runs around town, but falls
> short when it
> comes
> time to pull a trailer or a load of firewood.
>
> Jason
> Wishing I was retired :^)


Jason,
The other part of what Gary mentioned was the wide ratio C-6.  This tranny
has a much lower 1st gear than a standard C-6.  The lower first gives a
total ratio equal to a standard C-6 and a rear end of 3.00.  I know this may
not have a lot of pulling power at the top end but does compensate to get it
started.

Tom H.

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: OD in '78
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:00:04 -0400

there are different final drives in the O.D. also in at least the
stickshifts i have 1 thats 25% and the other is 30%
one thing i notice in my 88 merc is the first gear in it is awfull low it
seems because i cant take off on wet or ice without spinning wheels even
with P TRAC
gordon



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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:57:54 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Cab 4 sale

We'll have a '78 CrewCab (cab only) for sale shortly. The windshield and
rear window is in, but no doors. If anyone's interested, let me know and
I'll get some pics to ya when available. I don't know what the price
will be until I find out the condition. Also will have some other parts
for sale including a Dana 60 and 70. I don't know the ratios yet.

Gregster


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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Holley 351/400 fuel pump  60 GPH 7.5 PSI
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:18:17 -0400

Would anyone like to purchase a Holley 351/400 fuel pump?  It's a stage "2
blue" (blue diamond with a two in the middle)  Triple Chrome/60 GPH 7.5 PSI.
I was going to put it on my truck, but I don't have the need for it because
I've stopped modifying that truck.  It's never been used and all the
gaskets, brass nuts, directions etc. are in a sealed bag.  One thing
though.. it's been under water.  There's a little rust, but can be cleaned
with some elbow grease.  If you're interested, I can get a picture on here
so you can see it.


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From: Fordman9901 webtv.net
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1969 F100 4x4

Well Guys and Gals i just lucked in to a 1969 F100 4x4 SWB  300 6cyl 4
spd .
It was sitting by the  road with  weeds growing out of the bed . it had
a towaway sticker on it from the state . anyway i found the guy that
owns it and ask him about it and he said if you can get it out of here
today you can have it :-)  he told me that it had t been started in a
year or so but if i put gas and a battery in it i could drive  it home
(i am thinking yea right ) any ways  called a friend and he brought a
trailer and we towed it home .after taking the tree out of the bed and
trees out from under the hood i thought what the hay i an going to see
if it will start put a battery in it put a little gas in the carb . and
WOW the darn thing started   so i put gas in the tank  and i drove it
for about an hour trying out the 4x4 to make sure it worked :-) the body
is just hanging on rust bucket but every thing on this truck works  i
have a 1970 2wd  with a perfect body i think i will put it on the 4x4
frame .Question : what kind of transfer case is in this thing it only
has 2wd and 4wd no 4 high and 4 low  Thanks randy
Sorry this is so long im just excited to find this.


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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: 1969 F100 4x4
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:42:25 -0500

Wow, awesome deal, wish I could find stuff like that, a 4x4 would be
awesome!

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Well Guys and Gals i just lucked in to a 1969 F100 4x4 SWB  300 6cyl 4
spd .
It was sitting by the  road with  weeds growing out of the bed . it had
a towaway sticker on it from the state . anyway i found the guy that
owns it and ask him about it and he said if you can get it out of here
today you can have it :-)  he told me that it had t been started in a
year or so but if i put gas and a battery in it i could drive  it home
(i am thinking yea right ) any ways  called a friend and he brought a
trailer and we towed it home .after taking the tree out of the bed and
trees out from under the hood i thought what the hay i an going to see
if it will start put a battery in it put a little gas in the carb . and
WOW the darn thing started   so i put gas in the tank  and i drove it
for about an hour trying out the 4x4 to make sure it worked :-) the body
is just hanging on rust bucket but every thing on this truck works  i
have a 1970 2wd  with a perfect body i think i will put it on the 4x4
frame .Question : what kind of transfer case is in this thing it only
has 2wd and 4wd no 4 high and 4 low  Thanks randy
Sorry this is so long im just excited to find this.

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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:04:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Gas mileage
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I've finally started driving the '78 F150 Ranger Lariat Supercab with a 460,
> and the mileage is terrible. It's got a 600 cfm Holley that runs superbly, but
> it's got a 2.75 gear out back. I think it's working the engine harder than it
> needs to be in town. I might try switching to a 3.50 ratio. I also think the
> truck sat for awhile before I got it. This last week the mileage was a bit
> better-about
> 8mpg. The first week it got about 4.5 mpg. Any thoughts on gear ratios and
mileage
> of these 460's?

Jason, my 351m with a 2.75 rear gear gets about 10 in town on my short
short trips and near 16 on the freeway. My guess is you have problems other
than gearing, like a hung choke, carb jets too big, carb needs rebuilt. I'm
just guessing here, but I don't think over working a 460 would be a problem.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:09:37 -0500
Subject: Re: OD in '78
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Give me a trany that senses the load via mechanical means any day......or
> night.

Unfortunately, how the tranny senses the shift point isn't the problem. The
non-electronic trannies were generally the first design to go to production.
The failures were caused by inadequate oil circulation to clutch packs and
gear units. I'm with you, Gary. I much prefer transmissions that I control,
not that a computer controls, as long as they are automatic.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:19:42 -0500
Subject: Re: reliability of OD
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> automatic O.D in a 88 mercury thats got 140,000 miles on it and a 84 marquis
> as well with 130,000 on it with no trouble with any of them YET
> GORDON

Both electronic. 88 is the same as in my Towncar. 128K and going strong.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:20:02 -0500
Subject: Re: OD in '78
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Give me a trany that senses the load via mechanical means any day......or
> night.

Unfortunately, how the tranny senses the shift point isn't the problem. The
non-electronic trannies were generally the first design to go to production.
The failures were caused by inadequate oil circulation to clutch packs and
gear units. I'm with you, Gary. I much prefer transmissions that I control,
not that a computer controls, as long as they are automatic.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:19:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Lockup
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Actually the clutches dont slip. (unless its low on fluid, or broke) its just ....


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