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61-79-list Digest Thu, 19 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 301

In This Issue:
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
460 engine build
Re: 460 engine build
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: tiss the season for ticking?
Re: Tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick
ADMIN: Political Content
Re: tiss the season for ticking?
Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Re: grinding in the transfer case?
Re: grinding in the transfer case?
Re: Ford Trucks in Computer Games

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:52:27 -0500
Subject: C6 versus OverDrive
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

Remember this thread? This is not to start another discussion necessarily,
but I had a revelation  the other day. The difference lies at about 30 mph,
cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine at
30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1, but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me? If it
doesn't, that's OK. The list has been dead this afternoon or else my
connection is down. Almost time to go home in the Central Time zone anyway.

Later,
-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:00:09 -0700

At 30, they both would be in 3rd gear, turning 1:1

At 70, the OD would be in 0.76:1 (output shaft spinning faster than input
shaft simply said)  and the C6 (or any 3 speed AT) would be in 1:1

I think you have it backwards...



-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:52 PM
To: -FTE 61-79 list
Subject: [61-79-list] C6 versus OverDrive


Remember this thread? This is not to start another discussion necessarily,
but I had a revelation  the other day. The difference lies at about 30 mph,
cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine at
30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1, but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me? If it
doesn't, that's OK. The list has been dead this afternoon or else my
connection is down. Almost time to go home in the Central Time zone anyway.

Later,
-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:00:13 -0500

The list has been dead today.  I don't think the connection is down.....
maybe maybe not...
I see your point about the  c6 though.  Personally.  how much of a
difference in mileage between an overdrive and the c6?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
To: "-FTE 61-79 list" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:52 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] C6 versus OverDrive


> Remember this thread? This is not to start another discussion necessarily,
> but I had a revelation  the other day. The difference lies at about 30
mph,
> cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine
at
> 30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
> equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1, but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
> but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me? If it
> doesn't, that's OK. The list has been dead this afternoon or else my
> connection is down. Almost time to go home in the Central Time zone
anyway.
>
> Later,
> -- John
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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From: "Rob Hutson" <tx4wheeler cs.com>
Subject: 460 engine build
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:02:42 -0500


> When installing the valley pan gasket (heat shield under intake) on a 460
do
> you also use intake gaskets or do you just use the pan?  Thanks
>
> Robert Hutson, SSgt, USAF (TX4Wheeler)
> 1978 Ford Bronco
> 2BigBroncos South Chapter
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.nbci.com/hutsonr/
>


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 460 engine build
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:18:23 -0700

The pan is the gasket. You can choose whether or not to substitute
silly-cone for the rubber end pieces.

## Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface ##

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hutson" <tx4wheeler cs.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:02 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 460 engine build


>
> > When installing the valley pan gasket (heat shield under intake) on a
460
> do
> > you also use intake gaskets or do you just use the pan?  Thanks




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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:17:31 -0700

If the OD tranny was in third gear 1:1 ratio and the C6 was in third gear
1:1 ratio assuming they had the same gears and tires, they would both be
turning the same RPM at 30 MPH.  (maybe slightly different do to slippage in
the torque converter).

At 70 if the OD tranny was in OD is would be spinning slower than the C6
which would still be at 1:1; while the OD tranny would be at 1:.72 or what
ever the OD ratio happends to be on that particular tranny.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:52 PM
To: -FTE 61-79 list
Subject: [61-79-list] C6 versus OverDrive


Remember this thread? This is not to start another discussion necessarily,
but I had a revelation  the other day. The difference lies at about 30 mph,
cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine at
30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1, but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me? If it
doesn't, that's OK. The list has been dead this afternoon or else my
connection is down. Almost time to go home in the Central Time zone anyway.

Later,
-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:21:07 -0500

Ok.  I understand the differenece between the two.  BUT how big are the
savings?????
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:17 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C6 versus OverDrive


> If the OD tranny was in third gear 1:1 ratio and the C6 was in third gear
> 1:1 ratio assuming they had the same gears and tires, they would both be
> turning the same RPM at 30 MPH.  (maybe slightly different do to slippage
in
> the torque converter).
>
> At 70 if the OD tranny was in OD is would be spinning slower than the C6
> which would still be at 1:1; while the OD tranny would be at 1:.72 or what
> ever the OD ratio happends to be on that particular tranny.
>
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:52 PM
> To: -FTE 61-79 list
> Subject: [61-79-list] C6 versus OverDrive
>
>
> Remember this thread? This is not to start another discussion necessarily,
> but I had a revelation  the other day. The difference lies at about 30
mph,
> cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine
at
> 30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
> equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1, but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
> but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me? If it
> doesn't, that's OK. The list has been dead this afternoon or else my
> connection is down. Almost time to go home in the Central Time zone
anyway.
>
> Later,
> -- John
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:27:14 -0700

Here is where the confusion comes in, I think.  Gear ratios are expressed in
x:1 ratio.
The first number is the drive gear and the second number is the driven gear.

So the OD gear would be expressed as 0.72:1 (the drive gear in this case is
the input shaft and the driven gear is the output shaft), so for every .72
turns of the input shaft, the output shaft turns 1 time.

Unless you do a lot of freeway driving, the expense of upgrading to OD isn't
probably worth it (but if your stock tranny is bad, then maybe...)

>while the OD tranny would be at 1:.72 or what
>ever the OD ratio happends to be on that particular tranny.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:52 PM
To: -FTE 61-79 list
Subject: [61-79-list] C6 versus OverDrive


Remember this thread? This is not to start another discussion necessarily,
but I had a revelation  the other day. The difference lies at about 30 mph,
cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine at
30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1, but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me? If it
doesn't, that's OK. The list has been dead this afternoon or else my
connection is down. Almost time to go home in the Central Time zone anyway.

Later,
-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:42:09 -0700
From: "James A. Doty" <dotyj home.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive

Hi all:

What would it take to put an OD in a '78 E-150 in place of the C6 I have now?

I drive 44 miles a day all but 4 miles of which is on the freeway.  I'm
currently
getting 11mpg with my 351W and think the OD would help at least a little.

James A. Doty
dotyj nospam.home.com

Don Thurlow wrote:

> Ok.  I understand the differenece between the two.  BUT how big are the
> savings?????
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:17 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C6 versus OverDrive
>
> > If the OD tranny was in third gear 1:1 ratio and the C6 was in third gear
> > 1:1 ratio assuming they had the same gears and tires, they would both be
> > turning the same RPM at 30 MPH.  (maybe slightly different do to slippage
> in
> > the torque converter).
> >
> > At 70 if the OD tranny was in OD is would be spinning slower than the C6
> > which would still be at 1:1; while the OD tranny would be at 1:.72 or what
> > ever the OD ratio happends to be on that particular tranny.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:52 PM
> > To: -FTE 61-79 list
> > Subject: [61-79-list] C6 versus OverDrive
> >
> >
> > Remember this thread? This is not to start another discussion necessarily,
> > but I had a revelation  the other day. The difference lies at about 30
> mph,
> > cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine
> at
> > 30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
> > equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1, but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
> > but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me? If it
> > doesn't, that's OK. The list has been dead this afternoon or else my
> > connection is down. Almost time to go home in the Central Time zone
> anyway.
> >
> > Later,
> > -- John
> > jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> > 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> > Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:50:12 -0400

I personally would prefer a gearvendors overdrive that I can beat the $%*#
out off and know it can hold up and supply an overdrive, actually making my
C6 a 6-speed. An E4OD with stand alone computer is a wink link, unless
everyone drives their trucks far more gently then I do.
John
'77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's


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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:59:19 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive

Wouldn't a milder rear end ratio (maybe 3.25 or lower) help as much and
be much less expensive?  On the other hand, if only 1/11 of the drive is
freeway, getting much more than 11 mpg might be unrealistic in a truck
of this vintage...

"James A. Doty" wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> What would it take to put an OD in a '78 E-150 in place of the C6 I have now?
>
> I drive 44 miles a day all but 4 miles of which is on the freeway.  I'm
> currently
> getting 11mpg with my 351W and think the OD would help at least a little.
>
> James A. Doty
> dotyj nospam.home.com > Please remove this footer when replying.

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:05:27 -0700

I think he means 40 of the 44 miles is freeway...

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Pearson [mailto:dpearson ctc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:59 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C6 versus OverDrive


Wouldn't a milder rear end ratio (maybe 3.25 or lower) help as much and
be much less expensive?  On the other hand, if only 1/11 of the drive is
freeway, getting much more than 11 mpg might be unrealistic in a truck
of this vintage...

"James A. Doty" wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> What would it take to put an OD in a '78 E-150 in place of the C6 I have
now?
>
> I drive 44 miles a day all but 4 miles of which is on the freeway.  I'm
> currently
> getting 11mpg with my 351W and think the OD would help at least a little.
>
> James A. Doty
> dotyj nospam.home.com > Please remove this footer when replying.
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:09:00 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive

Oops!  That was my misreading...

"Southerland, Rich" wrote:
>
> I think he means 40 of the 44 miles is freeway...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Pearson [mailto:dpearson ctc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:59 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C6 versus OverDrive
>
> Wouldn't a milder rear end ratio (maybe 3.25 or lower) help as much and
> be much less expensive?  On the other hand, if only 1/11 of the drive is
> freeway, getting much more than 11 mpg might be unrealistic in a truck
> of this vintage...
>
> "James A. Doty" wrote:
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > What would it take to put an OD in a '78 E-150 in place of the C6 I have
> now?
> >
> > I drive 44 miles a day all but 4 miles of which is on the freeway.  I'm
> > currently
> > getting 11mpg with my 351W and think the OD would help at least a little.
> >
> > James A. Doty
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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:59:47 -0700

The later E4OD's have come a long way as far as strength and reliability.
I'd say they are equal in strength to the C6.  I've seen many of them abused
with high mileage that still work great.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke




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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:04:33 -0700




> The difference lies at about 30 mph,
> cruising in town. With the OD you would be turning more rpm on the engine
at
> 30 than you would be with a C6 assuming that the final drive ratios were
> equal. At 30, both would be in 1:1

If they are both 1:1 at 30 then they are both turning the engine the same
RPM.


> but at 70 the C6 would still be in 1:1
> but the OD would be in 1:1.x. Does this make sense to anyone but me?
The C6 would be 1:1, the OD would be around .70:1.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke





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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:30:45 -0700

Theoretically it should be the same but you have to account for torque
converter slip also...

/// Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:04 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C6 versus OverDrive


>
> If they are both 1:1 at 30 then they are both turning the engine the same
> RPM.




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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:15:23 -0700
From: "James A. Doty" <dotyj home.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive

Hi all:

Yup.

Sorry for the confusion.

At 04:05 PM 10/19/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I think he means 40 of the 44 miles is freeway...


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:10:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: tiss the season for ticking?

At 06:56 PM 18:10:2000 -0400, Bob wrote:
>I posted yesterday that I too was hearing a bunch of ticking (coming from
>what sound like the heads).  Some had thought it was gas getting into the
>oil via a bad fuel pump.  I have a new fuel pump as of yesterday, and I
>flushed/changed the oil/filter this afternoon.  Still ticking.  I've done
>the simplest thing I know of (oil change) anybody have any ideas for what
>direction I could/should go next?

What about the exhaust gaskets?  They sound just like tappet rattle...

>p.s.  how many quarts of oil does a "normal" 460 hold?..  I'm getting a
>terrible reading on the dipstick that goes about 10 inches past the top of
>the "safe" zone after 6 quarts.

The engine should be run before pulling the dipstick, as the filter won't
have any oil in it...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:59:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick

Yea. I swear they (my Fords atleast) all have a female personality (oh am I
gonna get it. Oh well, was born in trouble, guess I'll stay there). My three
are all jealous of one another. Got started with my Bronco when it wanted a
new 400 & C6 xmas of 98. Then the Taurus demanded a new tranny a year later.
I just hopen the '92 E150 family hauler dont ask for anything this year
(though it's had it's moments also)! Jsut cant work on ooone without payen
your dues (and hommage) to the others!

George M in Fl.

In a message dated 10/19/00 10:33:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:

<<
>Good thing I have the other truck to drive when this one bites the bullet
>this winter...
>

Since you have a backup truck you can almost bet it will last the whole
winter,
or until you decide to work on the other one.
 >>

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:28:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Political Content

A few of the lists have had political content posted lately.

Do not use the lists for posting political content unless it
directly affects our Ford truck hobbies, and then only after
forwarding it to me for review first.

Discussing on-topic political content, such as crusher laws,
emission laws, highway safety, regulations, off-road laws,
etc. are acceptable.  Discussion of these topics requesting
members review pending bills and lobbying efforts should be
forwarded to me first.

Discussion of political candidates is off limits.

Sorry to take this stand, but its been abused lately, especially
with the pending election around the corner.  I don't care if
its conservative or liberal, it doesn't really belong here.
If you feel you must talk about it, use the General Conversation
forum on our web site where very little is considered off
topic.

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: tiss the season for ticking?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:29:10 -0400

           "What about the exhaust gaskets?  They sound just like tappet
rattle..."

you know, I was actually thinking that myself..  I'll have to further check
into that!!





            "The engine should be run before pulling the dipstick, as the
filter won't have any oil in it..."

I ran it, and the reading was still way off.  I just don't know.


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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:20:52 -0700
Subject: Ford Trucks in Computer Games
From: Josh Keady <keady wizzards.net>

I'm not normally a big video game fan, but a friend of mine turned me on to
a beta (beta = still being tested for bugs) version of a game called 4x4
Evolution that should be out some time this month or next.  It's got a ton
(they say over 70 in the final version) of 4 wheel-drive trucks from all
different kinds of manufacturers that you can race around something like 16
different tracks.  What's nice, is that the trucks have officially been
licensed from the manufacturers, so they are VERY realistic.
The game, overall, is pretty realistic, and lets you do pretty much anything
you want (they even let you switch 4wd modes in the truck (i.e. 2wd 4hi and
4lo.)

They've got a good website at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x4evo.godgames.com  Or, you can just
check out the trucks at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x4evo.godgames.com/trucks.php  Takes a while
for it to load, but there are some beautiful machines (6 Fords right now.)


Josh Keady

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1977 F-350 Ranger XLT Camper Special


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: C6 versus OverDrive
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:46:58 -0700

Yes, that is correct.  For comparision, they are either both locked (if the
C6 is equipped) or not locked.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke


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Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C6 versus OverDrive


> Theoretically it should be the same but you have to account for torque
> converter slip also...
>
> /// Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface \\
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> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:04 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: C6 versus OverDrive
>
>
> >
> > If they are both 1:1 at 30 then they are both turning the engine the
same
> > RPM.
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:14:04 -0700
From: John Lord <thelord home.com>
Subject: Re: grinding in the transfer case?


I have a 1974 4x4 with a separated NP 205 transfer case. On pavement or not it
grinds / growls and clunks
under load in 4 hi or 4 low. I inspected it to find that i had excessive
movement of both the output shafts
(side to side and in / out) leading me to believe that after its long hard life
the bearings are shot.
Thinking it is time to rebuild it i asked a few questions at a trans shop and
with a 4x4 shop only to be told that bearings are the most likely problem
but..... they also told me that there are alot of roller bearings that run right
on the shafts and the shafts wear (even get lumpy if overloaded to much) and
that could be causing alot of my noise. This makes the problem expensive for
most people hearing that replacement shafts can cost hundreds of dollars.

Anyhow..... I just lucked out and purchased a rebuild kit (i have the federal
mogul part # somewhere) from ebay and thought i would tackle the problem in the
next few weeks. I have a machine shop at my disposal and they seem to think that
they can remedy any shaft problems i might have.
once i have the poor old thing apart i will tell what i have found.



John.
1974 F-250 Crew Cab short box 4x4
1967 3/4 ton Mercury


>
>
> Matt
>
> I didn't realize it at first, but I was in 4H this afternoon and noticed a
> very uncomforting sound coming from right underneath my feet.  At first I
> thought something was wrong with my clutch, but after putting it back in 2H,
> all was well.  There was a bunch of clinging/clanking and grinding, sounding
> like I was over-revving or something.  I don't know much about the inner
> workings of a Transfer case  (NP 205), but could it be as simple as the
> fluid being low?  Thought I'd ask the list before I went ahead and tackled
> the problem.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -bob-
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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: grinding in the transfer case?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:19:59 -0400

Sounds great, can't wait to hear what you've found.
=============================
I have a 1974 4x4 with a separated NP 205 transfer case. On pavement or not
it
grinds / growls and clunks
once i have the poor old thing apart i will tell what i have found.



John.
1974 F-250 Crew Cab short box 4x4
1967 3/4 ton Mercury



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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Trucks in Computer Games
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:24:48 -0500

Josh,
   I just starting to download the beta.. I'll have everyone at my work
look at it (they all are quake attics/ i also work at an isp) and i'll see
what they say today..

-Don
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From: "Josh Keady" <keady wizzards.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:20 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Ford Trucks in Computer Games


> I'm not normally a big video game fan, but a friend of mine turned me on
to
> a beta (beta = still being tested for bugs) version of a game called 4x4
> Evolution that should be out some time this month or next.  It's got a ton
> (they say over 70 in the final version) of 4 wheel-drive trucks from all
> different kinds of manufacturers that you can race around something like
16
> different tracks.  What's nice, is that the trucks have officially been
> licensed from the manufacturers, so they are VERY realistic.
> The game, overall, is pretty realistic, and lets you do pretty much
anything
> you want (they even let you switch 4wd modes in the truck (i.e. 2wd 4hi
and
> 4lo.)
>
> They've got a good website at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x4evo.godgames.com  Or, you can just ....


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