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61-79-list Digest Tue, 17 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 298

In This Issue:
Wheel Backspacing
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
ADMIN: Pictorial additions
Re: 351C
flat top piston
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: flat top piston
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
'67 F100 240 - what type of clutch?
Starter Solenoid
Re: Starter Solenoid
Re: '67 F100 240 - what type of clutch?
Re: Starter Solenoid
Re: 400/460
Connection sequence
4 speed not bolting up
Wooden bed floor suppliers
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: Engine weight list
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Bed mounts
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: Donald Haulsee
Re: Bench testing starter
Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: Starter Solenoid
Re: 400/460

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:44:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jimbo <jcraig CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: Wheel Backspacing

The wheels will be 15X10 running 35-12.50-15 BFGs.

               Jimbo


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:00:15 -0700


> The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY
> originally equipped with a C6.  I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not bolt
up
> without a call to Advance Adapeters.  I'm sure they will have something to
> make you smile--and your pocketbook frown!

Did I miss something?  Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed
bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400?

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke




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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:52:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?

--- Jason Derra <derrar internetcds.com> wrote:
> > The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY
> > originally equipped with a C6.  I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not
> bolt
> up
> > without a call to Advance Adapeters.  I'm sure they will have
> something to
> > make you smile--and your pocketbook frown!
>
> Did I miss something?  Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed
> bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400?

That seems to be what he's saying but I just don't see how it makes any
sense.  If I've got a 351M/C6 and can swap in a 460 and it will bolt right
up.  Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern
on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the
integrated C6's bell-housing.

More information please...

Later,

Eric Finn (trying to understand since this swap may be in my future...)
'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress)
'79 F-350 4x4

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:03:22 -0500
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> --- Jason Derra <derrar internetcds.com> wrote:
>> > The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY
>> > originally equipped with a C6.  I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not
>> bolt
>> up
>> > without a call to Advance Adapeters.  I'm sure they will have
>> something to
>> > make you smile--and your pocketbook frown!
>>
>> Did I miss something?  Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed
>> bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400?
>
> That seems to be what he's saying but I just don't see how it makes any
> sense.  If I've got a 351M/C6 and can swap in a 460 and it will bolt right
> up.  Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern
> on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the
> integrated C6's bell-housing.
>
> More information please...

Here is the original concern. It had nothing to do with the bell housing. It
wasn't my post and I found it quoted in a reply.

"Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the
lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?"

-- John
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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:23:39 -0700

You CAN swap in the 460 where a 351M/400 np435 were originally placed.  The
only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....maybe that's what he
was talking about??

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Finn [mailto:ecfinn yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:53 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?


--- Jason Derra <derrar internetcds.com> wrote:
> > The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY
> > originally equipped with a C6.  I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not
> bolt
> up
> > without a call to Advance Adapeters.  I'm sure they will have
> something to
> > make you smile--and your pocketbook frown!
>
> Did I miss something?  Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed
> bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400?

That seems to be what he's saying but I just don't see how it makes any
sense.  If I've got a 351M/C6 and can swap in a 460 and it will bolt right
up.  Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern
on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the
integrated C6's bell-housing.

More information please...

Later,

Eric Finn (trying to understand since this swap may be in my future...)
'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress)
'79 F-350 4x4

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:23:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Pictorial additions

The following pictures have been added to the web site
Picture Gallery since the 12th of October:

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:30:56 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: 351C

I agree..and that leaves more 351C engines out there for us "true
believers..."

Don Thurlow wrote:
>
> I'll agree with Bill here.  There are some good combinations out there for
> the 351M.  That's actually what i'm gonna be doing now.  I'm building my
> 351M into a potent 400.  :)
>

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: flat top piston
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:56:26 -0500

Hey i'm looking for a factory replacement cast aluminum piston for a 1971
400.  It was the only year they had 9 to 1 compression on teh 400's.  and i
want that piston....well 8 of them :-) anyone know who makes them? i know
some company does.  I just can't find out who.


-Don Thurlow



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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:03:01 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?



Eric Finn wrote:
> Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern
> on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the
> integrated C6's bell-housing.

The bellhousing depth is different , from what I've been told ,
causes a mismatch between the starter and flywheel .

I used several of the thin metal pieces that fit between a 351M/400
and a C6 stacked together to get the correct spacing .

bolt patterns are the same ....

dave Prasse

>
> More information please...
>
> Later,
>
> Eric Finn (trying to understand since this swap may be in my future...)
> '78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress)
> '79 F-350 4x4
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:05:35 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?



John LaGrone wrote:
>
> "Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the
> lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?"

depends on the 460 crank I've been told.

A local engine shop fixed up the end of my ex Lincoln motors crank

dPrasse

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:08:48 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?



"Nichols, Josh" wrote:
>
> You CAN swap in the 460 where a 351M/400 np435 were originally placed.  The
> only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....

Why is that ?

As long as they have the same balance (internal vs external )
and you get the right clutch for the flywheel holes.

I'm running a 352 flywheel on my 460 , currently .

dPrasse

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: flat top piston
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:15:23 -0700

Ohio Piston & Pin Part No. is 1282P. They are not the factory stock
replacements but they are 9:1 flat top cast pistons. Call your local machine
shop or get in touch with this guy. I've bought stuff from him in the past
and recommended him to others who have been very happy. He'll order the
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:56 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] flat top piston


> Hey i'm looking for a factory replacement cast aluminum piston for a 1971
> 400.  It was the only year they had 9 to 1 compression on teh 400's.  and
i
> want that piston....well 8 of them :-) anyone know who makes them? i know
> some company does.  I just can't find out who.




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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:16:20 -0700

My 460 came out of a 76 lincoln and it already had the pilot bearing
relief....I bolted it right up to my NP 435.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: dave Prasse [mailto:burgess4 gte.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:06 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?




John LaGrone wrote:
>
> "Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the
> lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?"

depends on the 460 crank I've been told.

A local engine shop fixed up the end of my ex Lincoln motors crank

dPrasse
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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:18:41 -0700

You can run a 352 flywhell because FE's are internally balanced, and have
the same crank bolt pattern.  I have never physically tried to bolt a 351M
flywheel to a 460 but I have been told it won't work...are 351M/400's
internally balanced?


I am curretnly using a 390 flywheel on my 460--what size clutch is yours?

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: dave Prasse [mailto:burgess4 gte.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:09 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?




"Nichols, Josh" wrote:
>
> You CAN swap in the 460 where a 351M/400 np435 were originally placed.
The
> only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....

Why is that ?

As long as they have the same balance (internal vs external )
and you get the right clutch for the flywheel holes.

I'm running a 352 flywheel on my 460 , currently .

dPrasse
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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: '67 F100 240 - what type of clutch?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:29:08 -0700

Going to buy the parts for Dad's clutch.  (After 15+ years and who knows how
many miles, the old one doesn't wanna work anymore - go figure)

Parts guys are asking if I want a diaphragm or lever type clutch.  Which one
is best and why?

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From: "Mary K. Tomas" <puffknit hotmail.com>
Subject: Starter Solenoid
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:01:17 CDT

My '65 F-100 won't start.  The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start
it.  I replaced it, but it still chatters.  Is it maybe a bad solenoid?
What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic?
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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:05:44 -0700

It is "chattering" because it doesn't have enough voltage.  Make sure the
battery is charged and all connections are clean and tight...

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My '65 F-100 won't start.  The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start

it.  I replaced it, but it still chatters.  Is it maybe a bad solenoid?
What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic?
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:13:08 GMT
Subject: Re: '67 F100 240 - what type of clutch?

>Going to buy the parts for Dad's clutch.  (After 15+ years and who knows how

>many miles, the old one doesn't wanna work anymore - go figure)
>
>Parts guys are asking if I want a diaphragm or lever type clutch.  Which one

>is best and why?


I think it depends on the applications and such ... lever type is probably stock
for the truck.  This utilizes 3 levers that press against the pressure plate
... some claim there can be chatter problems associated with this setup ...
but the really high horsepower big boys are using this style still ...

The diaprham style has a whole bunch of fingers that stick out and is basically
a lot of little levers that press on the pressure palte ... its supposed to
be smoother to operate and offer a more even distribution of the pressure ...


Which is better ?  Whichever one the store has in stock if you need it right
away ... otherwise its probably a tossup ...

Just my $.02
wish

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:14:06 EDT
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid

It's possible to get a bum solenoid, but it sounds more like dead battery or
poor ground.  Make sure your ground connection is good, terminal ends clean
and battery fully charged.

Thom
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:20:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> My '65 F-100 won't start.  The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start
> it.  I replaced it, but it still chatters.  Is it maybe a bad solenoid?
> What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic?

Charge or replace the battery. Be sure the battery has electrolyte in it.
Clean the battery terminals or replace the battery cables. Always, always
check the battery and its connections first.

Everyone ought to check this since winter is coming.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:22:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> My '65 F-100 won't start.  The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start
> it.  I replaced it, but it still chatters.  Is it maybe a bad solenoid?
> What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic?

Charge or replace the battery. Be sure the battery has electrolyte in it.
Clean the battery terminals or replace the battery cables. Always, always
check the battery and its connections first.

Everyone ought to check this since winter is coming.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:27:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

Oops. Sorry for the double send. The problem with computers is that they do
exactly what you tell them whether that's what you wanted or not. :-p

-- John
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:11:12 -0400
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 400/460

At 10:15 AM 10/17/00 -0400, you wrote:
>have to look, but I'd swear I saw somthing that said a 400 weighed in
>at/near 700 lbs. Theirs no significant differance mechanically between teh
>351M and 400 to account for a big weight diff (yea, pistons & crank). I'll
>have to dig up my ref (not saying that it's right, just that it was my
>referance and that's what it said)

But there is a weight difference between the 351C and the 351M/400 due to
the taller deck on the 'M' block (I don't what to hear about what Ford
calls it, or what you have always thought it should be called, you all know
what I mean or you wouldn't be reading this)  The original post was
comparing the weight of a 351C and a 460.  I (and several others) pointed
out that a 351M/400 would weigh more that the 351C, by about 25 lbs.  With
the weight difference originally quoted of 550 lbs-351C, 640 lbs-460, this
would make a significant difference in the original difference of 90
lbs(more than 25%.)

I, too, read somewhere that a 400 weighted almost 700, but I saw in
multiple other places that it weights only about 575.  I suspect the 700
pound quote is excessive, I believe the source was either Car Craft or
4-Wheel and Off-Road, both of which are not known for their accurate (Ford
in particular) information.

George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Connection sequence
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:55:43 -0500


Thom writes:  >>Isn't it usually recommended that when attaching cables to make the ground
connection on the load side is the last connection?  I do this when jumping
vehicles and I find it also works to keep arching to a minimal when "jumping"
starters.  Am I all wet on this or what?<<

Naw.. You're not all wet..  This argument(discussion) has been going on since I was
a little boy(and that has been several years)..  I really don't think the sequence of
connect/disconnect matters much between the pos and neg except it is safer to make
the first connections at the load and the disconnects first at  the source most of the
time.  This one time I thought it best because of the arching possibly damaging the
threads of the stud..  Arching around a battery isn't safe either, but it would save the
threads in the case we were discussing..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 4 speed not bolting up
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:09:05 -0500


Jimbo writes:  >>The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY
originally equipped with a C6.  I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not bolt up
without a call to Advance Adapeters.  I'm sure they will have something to
make you smile--and your pocketbook frown!<<

Don't understand what you're saying here..  I have a 460 in a '79 F350 4X4 that
was originally equipped with a 351M???  Am I missing something in your post??


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38:33 -0500
Subject: Wooden bed floor suppliers

Oh...and  that other guy's name is Bruce Horkey, not Hornkey.
His number is 507-831-5625  Fax is 507-831-0280
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Mar-K.........tried this web address and it didn't work...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I found my catalog for Mar-K. Their address is  <www.mar-k.com >
 They'll make a custom wood floor for any type bed. You have to send
them the dimensions for an estimate.  The catalog doesn't give any clue
as to price...sorry. The cost on the wood floor for an 8' Flareside is
$260 for Oak and $215 for pine.  Metal strips are extra.
 Good luck, Phil
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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:23:51 -0700


> "Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the
> lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?"

The 70 429 that is presently in my pickup now has a 4 speed behind it (I
think I used a 400 pilot bushing?).  The 72 429 that is in my garage right
now is set up to use a pilot bearing.  I've heard of this before, but have
never run into it.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke




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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:29:07 -0700



> The only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....maybe that's
what he
> was talking about??

That's easy to get by.  I used a 390 truck flywheel on mine.  I was told
there was a balance change between the early 429s and the later 460s (went
to an external balance?) and that a late model 460 flywheel wouldn't work
with the early engine.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke




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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Engine weight list
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:35:25 -0700

I emailed Randall this morning about his engine weight website.  This is his
reply:


Jason Derra wrote:
>
> Randall,
> How accurate is the engine weight table on your website?  I posted it to
the
> FTE list for reference but there were a few questions regarding the 400
and
> the 460.  Thanks for your time.
>                                                                  Jason

The first page includes factory equip and intakes, so it's a general
observation. The SECOND page is where I actually weighed everything myself,
but
it's a long road to hoe, and still working on it.

The 400 (and 351-M) are nearly the weight of a 460, indeed. The FE blocks
show
higher, but when alloy intakes are used, the FE actually becomes LIGHTER
than a
460. This is because the intake on the FE is also nearly half of the
cylinder
head as well.

Between the 460 and 400, the bigger 460 intake turns out to be LIGHTER,
since
the 'holes' are bigger inside (less iron). So there are so many variables,
it's
sickening ;-)

Still, the chart info is from Ford Motor Company, and is a general guide,
not an
exact science. THAT's why I'm doing my own weighing on the 'second' page.

Any more questions, rattle 'em on down to me. I'll see if I can answer them.

/Randall



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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:40:10 -0700

I think the 351M/400's are externally balanced, so the flywheel wouldn't
work on a 429/460.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke




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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:31:52 EDT
Subject: Bed mounts

In a message dated 10/17/00 8:13:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< f it were my
pickup I would use metal or rubber instead of the wood.  But like I said,
I'm not familiar with it, and it's not mine.;-)

Marty >>

So what are the post 60 beds mounted with?

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in process
Another 57 (maybe a Custom Cab) spotted in the woods. Film at 11!

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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:34:03 -0700

I think after 79 they went to external balance...but not 100% sure

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Derra [mailto:derrar internetcds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 3:29 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?




> The only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....maybe that's
what he
> was talking about??

That's easy to get by.  I used a 390 truck flywheel on mine.  I was told
there was a balance change between the early 429s and the later 460s (went
to an external balance?) and that a late model 460 flywheel wouldn't work
with the early engine.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke



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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:36:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Donald Haulsee

In a message dated 10/17/00 8:13:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:48:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Paging Donald Haulsee

Is Donald Haulsee still on this list?  Have a web site
visitor that needs to ask you a question about the EFI
article you wrote.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts >>

Ken,

If you hear from him, put him in touch with me. I'm still trying to wire some
areas of my EFI!

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in process
Another 57 (maybe a Custom Cab) spotted in the woods. Film at 11!

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Bench testing starter
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:36:06 -0500

Thom, I agree. In a situation like this, I always connected the ground on
the load last. I was taught that it was wise to keep sparks and flame away
from the battery.
Jason Kendrick


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:53:32 -0700


> The bellhousing depth is different , from what I've been told ,
> causes a mismatch between the starter and flywheel .

That doesn't make much sense that a auto will work, but not a manual.  I
used the 351M bellhousing and starter with my 429 and haven't had a bit of a
problem. There were differences between some of the FE's (differences
between car and truck bellhousings and input shafts), but I've never heard
anything about the 429/460's.  Can anyone confirm bellhousing part #'s
between a 460 and a 400?

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke





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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:02:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid

In a message dated 10/17/00 2:02:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
puffknit hotmail.com writes:

<< My '65 F-100 won't start.  The starter solenoid chatters when I try to
start
it.  I replaced it, but it still chatters.  Is it maybe a bad solenoid?
What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic? >>

First thing I'd do is to check or charge teh abttery. Every time I've had a
solinoid chatter, that's been the culprit. Somthing about Ohms law and the
rules of supply and demand ;-)

George M in Fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:10:32 EDT
Subject: Re: 400/460

Could be the error lies in my not as prime as it once was memory also! I dont
have any referances handy so I cant debate a 400's weight either way. Like I
said, it's just what I remembered (right or wrong). After seeing all the
numbers, Im leading towards more wrong than right! Taint the first time, wont
be the last either. But as my DI often  said "Grow or Die" (and I try to
choose Grow).

And I do agree that a M block would be heavier than a C (or W if we wanna
move from apples & oranges into Bannana's etc). That extera cast Iron has to
show somewhere.

George M in FL.

In a message dated 10/17/00 3:16:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gselby4x4 earthlink.net writes:

<< At 10:15 AM 10/17/00 -0400, you wrote:
>have to look, but I'd swear I saw somthing that said a 400 weighed in
>at/near 700 lbs. Theirs no significant differance mechanically between teh
>351M and 400 to account for a big weight diff (yea, pistons & crank). I'll
>have to dig up my ref (not saying that it's right, just that it was my
>referance and that's what it said)

But there is a weight difference between the 351C and the 351M/400 due to
the taller deck on the 'M' block (I don't what to hear about what Ford
calls it, or what you have always thought it should be called, you all know ....


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