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Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #298 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Tue, 17 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 298 In This Issue: Wheel Backspacing Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? ADMIN: Pictorial additions Re: 351C flat top piston Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: flat top piston Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? '67 F100 240 - what type of clutch? Starter Solenoid Re: Starter Solenoid Re: '67 F100 240 - what type of clutch? Re: Starter Solenoid Re: 400/460 Connection sequence 4 speed not bolting up Wooden bed floor suppliers Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: Engine weight list Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Bed mounts Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: Donald Haulsee Re: Bench testing starter Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Re: Starter Solenoid Re: 400/460 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jimbo <jcraig CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: Wheel Backspacing The wheels will be 15X10 running 35-12.50-15 BFGs. Jimbo ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:00:15 -0700 > The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY > originally equipped with a C6. I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not bolt up > without a call to Advance Adapeters. I'm sure they will have something to > make you smile--and your pocketbook frown! Did I miss something? Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400? Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? --- Jason Derra <derrar internetcds.com> wrote:
> > The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY > > originally equipped with a C6. I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not > bolt > up > > without a call to Advance Adapeters. I'm sure they will have > something to > > make you smile--and your pocketbook frown! > > Did I miss something? Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed > bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400? That seems to be what he's saying but I just don't see how it makes any sense. If I've got a 351M/C6 and can swap in a 460 and it will bolt right up. Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the integrated C6's bell-housing. More information please... Later, Eric Finn (trying to understand since this swap may be in my future...) '78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress) '79 F-350 4x4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:03:22 -0500 Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> --- Jason Derra <derrar internetcds.com> wrote:
>> > The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY >> > originally equipped with a C6. I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not >> bolt >> up >> > without a call to Advance Adapeters. I'm sure they will have >> something to >> > make you smile--and your pocketbook frown! >> >> Did I miss something? Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed >> bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400? > > That seems to be what he's saying but I just don't see how it makes any > sense. If I've got a 351M/C6 and can swap in a 460 and it will bolt right > up. Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern > on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the > integrated C6's bell-housing. > > More information please... Here is the original concern. It had nothing to do with the bell housing. It wasn't my post and I found it quoted in a reply. "Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?" -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:23:39 -0700 You CAN swap in the 460 where a 351M/400 np435 were originally placed. The only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....maybe that's what he was talking about?? Josh -----Original Message----- From: Eric Finn [mailto:ecfinn yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:53 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? --- Jason Derra <derrar internetcds.com> wrote:
> > The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY > > originally equipped with a C6. I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not > bolt > up > > without a call to Advance Adapeters. I'm sure they will have > something to > > make you smile--and your pocketbook frown! > > Did I miss something? Are you saying the 460 won't bolt to a 4 speed > bellhousing that was originally used with a 351/400? That seems to be what he's saying but I just don't see how it makes any sense. If I've got a 351M/C6 and can swap in a 460 and it will bolt right up. Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the integrated C6's bell-housing. More information please... Later, Eric Finn (trying to understand since this swap may be in my future...) '78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress) '79 F-350 4x4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com/ ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:23:35 -0400 From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Pictorial additions The following pictures have been added to the web site Picture Gallery since the 12th of October: 2001 F-150 Supercrew 1999 Explorer Sport 1994 F-150 4x4 1992 F-250 1982 F-150 1952 F-1 1928 Ford pickup Each picture is linked off the main page of the web site. <a href="http://www.ford-trucks.com">www.ford-trucks.com</a> Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:30:56 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: 351C I agree..and that leaves more 351C engines out there for us "true believers..." Don Thurlow wrote: > > I'll agree with Bill here. There are some good combinations out there for > the 351M. That's actually what i'm gonna be doing now. I'm building my > 351M into a potent 400. :) > ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: flat top piston Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:56:26 -0500 Hey i'm looking for a factory replacement cast aluminum piston for a 1971 400. It was the only year they had 9 to 1 compression on teh 400's. and i want that piston....well 8 of them :-) anyone know who makes them? i know some company does. I just can't find out who. -Don Thurlow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:03:01 -0700 From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Eric Finn wrote: > Then why can't I swap a 460 into a NP435 truck since the bolt-pattern > on the NP435 bell-housing will be identical to the bolt-pattern on the > integrated C6's bell-housing. The bellhousing depth is different , from what I've been told , causes a mismatch between the starter and flywheel . I used several of the thin metal pieces that fit between a 351M/400 and a C6 stacked together to get the correct spacing . bolt patterns are the same .... dave Prasse > > More information please... > > Later, > > Eric Finn (trying to understand since this swap may be in my future...) > '78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress) > '79 F-350 4x4 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com/ > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:05:35 -0700 From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? John LaGrone wrote: > > "Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the > lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?" depends on the 460 crank I've been told. A local engine shop fixed up the end of my ex Lincoln motors crank dPrasse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:08:48 -0700 From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? "Nichols, Josh" wrote: > > You CAN swap in the 460 where a 351M/400 np435 were originally placed. The > only thing you need to change would be the flywheel.... Why is that ? As long as they have the same balance (internal vs external ) and you get the right clutch for the flywheel holes. I'm running a 352 flywheel on my 460 , currently . dPrasse ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: flat top piston Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:15:23 -0700 Ohio Piston & Pin Part No. is 1282P. They are not the factory stock replacements but they are 9:1 flat top cast pistons. Call your local machine shop or get in touch with this guy. I've bought stuff from him in the past and recommended him to others who have been very happy. He'll order the parts for you at jobber price and have them drop shipped. tmeyer frontiernet.net
TMeyer Inc. dba/ APBG & Machine Auto Parts Buying Group 633 Heritage Ct. Fairmont, MN 56031 1-888-TMEYER INC 1-888-863-9374 ## Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface ## ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:56 AM Subject: [61-79-list] flat top piston > Hey i'm looking for a factory replacement cast aluminum piston for a 1971 > 400. It was the only year they had 9 to 1 compression on teh 400's. and i > want that piston....well 8 of them :-) anyone know who makes them? i know > some company does. I just can't find out who. ------------------------------ From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:16:20 -0700 My 460 came out of a 76 lincoln and it already had the pilot bearing relief....I bolted it right up to my NP 435. Josh -----Original Message----- From: dave Prasse [mailto:burgess4 gte.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:06 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? John LaGrone wrote: > > "Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the > lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?" depends on the 460 crank I've been told. A local engine shop fixed up the end of my ex Lincoln motors crank dPrasse ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:18:41 -0700 You can run a 352 flywhell because FE's are internally balanced, and have the same crank bolt pattern. I have never physically tried to bolt a 351M flywheel to a 460 but I have been told it won't work...are 351M/400's internally balanced? I am curretnly using a 390 flywheel on my 460--what size clutch is yours? Josh -----Original Message----- From: dave Prasse [mailto:burgess4 gte.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:09 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? "Nichols, Josh" wrote: > > You CAN swap in the 460 where a 351M/400 np435 were originally placed. The > only thing you need to change would be the flywheel.... Why is that ? As long as they have the same balance (internal vs external ) and you get the right clutch for the flywheel holes. I'm running a 352 flywheel on my 460 , currently . dPrasse ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: '67 F100 240 - what type of clutch? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:29:08 -0700 Going to buy the parts for Dad's clutch. (After 15+ years and who knows how many miles, the old one doesn't wanna work anymore - go figure) Parts guys are asking if I want a diaphragm or lever type clutch. Which one is best and why? ------------------------------ From: "Mary K. Tomas" <puffknit hotmail.com>
Subject: Starter Solenoid Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:01:17 CDT My '65 F-100 won't start. The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start it. I replaced it, but it still chatters. Is it maybe a bad solenoid? What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:05:44 -0700 It is "chattering" because it doesn't have enough voltage. Make sure the battery is charged and all connections are clean and tight... -----Original Message----- From: Mary K. Tomas [mailto:puffknit hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:01 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Starter Solenoid My '65 F-100 won't start. The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start it. I replaced it, but it still chatters. Is it maybe a bad solenoid? What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://profiles.msn.com. ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:13:08 GMT Subject: Re: '67 F100 240 - what type of clutch? >Going to buy the parts for Dad's clutch. (After 15+ years and who knows how >many miles, the old one doesn't wanna work anymore - go figure) > >Parts guys are asking if I want a diaphragm or lever type clutch. Which one >is best and why? I think it depends on the applications and such ... lever type is probably stock for the truck. This utilizes 3 levers that press against the pressure plate ... some claim there can be chatter problems associated with this setup ... but the really high horsepower big boys are using this style still ... The diaprham style has a whole bunch of fingers that stick out and is basically a lot of little levers that press on the pressure palte ... its supposed to be smoother to operate and offer a more even distribution of the pressure ... Which is better ? Whichever one the store has in stock if you need it right away ... otherwise its probably a tossup ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:14:06 EDT Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid It's possible to get a bum solenoid, but it sounds more like dead battery or poor ground. Make sure your ground connection is good, terminal ends clean and battery fully charged. Thom 1967 F-Series Registry http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:20:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> My '65 F-100 won't start. The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start > it. I replaced it, but it still chatters. Is it maybe a bad solenoid? > What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic? Charge or replace the battery. Be sure the battery has electrolyte in it. Clean the battery terminals or replace the battery cables. Always, always check the battery and its connections first. Everyone ought to check this since winter is coming. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:22:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> My '65 F-100 won't start. The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start > it. I replaced it, but it still chatters. Is it maybe a bad solenoid? > What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic? Charge or replace the battery. Be sure the battery has electrolyte in it. Clean the battery terminals or replace the battery cables. Always, always check the battery and its connections first. Everyone ought to check this since winter is coming. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:27:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
Oops. Sorry for the double send. The problem with computers is that they do exactly what you tell them whether that's what you wanted or not. :-p -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:11:12 -0400 From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 400/460 At 10:15 AM 10/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >have to look, but I'd swear I saw somthing that said a 400 weighed in >at/near 700 lbs. Theirs no significant differance mechanically between teh >351M and 400 to account for a big weight diff (yea, pistons & crank). I'll >have to dig up my ref (not saying that it's right, just that it was my >referance and that's what it said) But there is a weight difference between the 351C and the 351M/400 due to the taller deck on the 'M' block (I don't what to hear about what Ford calls it, or what you have always thought it should be called, you all know what I mean or you wouldn't be reading this) The original post was comparing the weight of a 351C and a 460. I (and several others) pointed out that a 351M/400 would weigh more that the 351C, by about 25 lbs. With the weight difference originally quoted of 550 lbs-351C, 640 lbs-460, this would make a significant difference in the original difference of 90 lbs(more than 25%.) I, too, read somewhere that a 400 weighted almost 700, but I saw in multiple other places that it weights only about 575. I suspect the 700 pound quote is excessive, I believe the source was either Car Craft or 4-Wheel and Off-Road, both of which are not known for their accurate (Ford in particular) information. George Selby 78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd 86 Nissan 300ZX gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Connection sequence Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:55:43 -0500 Thom writes: >>Isn't it usually recommended that when attaching cables to make the ground connection on the load side is the last connection? I do this when jumping vehicles and I find it also works to keep arching to a minimal when "jumping" starters. Am I all wet on this or what?<< Naw.. You're not all wet.. This argument(discussion) has been going on since I was a little boy(and that has been several years).. I really don't think the sequence of connect/disconnect matters much between the pos and neg except it is safer to make the first connections at the load and the disconnects first at the source most of the time. This one time I thought it best because of the arching possibly damaging the threads of the stud.. Arching around a battery isn't safe either, but it would save the threads in the case we were discussing.. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 4 speed not bolting up Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:09:05 -0500 Jimbo writes: >>The 460 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351/400M ONLY originally equipped with a C6. I'm sorry, but your 4 speed will not bolt up without a call to Advance Adapeters. I'm sure they will have something to make you smile--and your pocketbook frown!<< Don't understand what you're saying here.. I have a 460 in a '79 F350 4X4 that was originally equipped with a 351M??? Am I missing something in your post?? Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38:33 -0500 Subject: Wooden bed floor suppliers Oh...and that other guy's name is Bruce Horkey, not Hornkey. His number is 507-831-5625 Fax is 507-831-0280 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Mar-K.........tried this web address and it didn't work... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I found my catalog for Mar-K. Their address is <www.mar-k.com > They'll make a custom wood floor for any type bed. You have to send them the dimensions for an estimate. The catalog doesn't give any clue as to price...sorry. The cost on the wood floor for an 8' Flareside is $260 for Oak and $215 for pine. Metal strips are extra. Good luck, Phil ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:23:51 -0700 > "Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the > lack of a pilot bearing relief in the rear of the crankshaft?" The 70 429 that is presently in my pickup now has a 4 speed behind it (I think I used a 400 pilot bushing?). The 72 429 that is in my garage right now is set up to use a pilot bearing. I've heard of this before, but have never run into it. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:29:07 -0700 > The only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....maybe that's what he > was talking about?? That's easy to get by. I used a 390 truck flywheel on mine. I was told there was a balance change between the early 429s and the later 460s (went to an external balance?) and that a late model 460 flywheel wouldn't work with the early engine. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Engine weight list Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:35:25 -0700 I emailed Randall this morning about his engine weight website. This is his reply: Jason Derra wrote: > > Randall, > How accurate is the engine weight table on your website? I posted it to the > FTE list for reference but there were a few questions regarding the 400 and > the 460. Thanks for your time. > Jason The first page includes factory equip and intakes, so it's a general observation. The SECOND page is where I actually weighed everything myself, but it's a long road to hoe, and still working on it. The 400 (and 351-M) are nearly the weight of a 460, indeed. The FE blocks show higher, but when alloy intakes are used, the FE actually becomes LIGHTER than a 460. This is because the intake on the FE is also nearly half of the cylinder head as well. Between the 460 and 400, the bigger 460 intake turns out to be LIGHTER, since the 'holes' are bigger inside (less iron). So there are so many variables, it's sickening ;-) Still, the chart info is from Ford Motor Company, and is a general guide, not an exact science. THAT's why I'm doing my own weighing on the 'second' page. Any more questions, rattle 'em on down to me. I'll see if I can answer them. /Randall ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:40:10 -0700 I think the 351M/400's are externally balanced, so the flywheel wouldn't work on a 429/460. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke ------------------------------ From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:31:52 EDT Subject: Bed mounts In a message dated 10/17/00 8:13:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, listar ford-trucks.com writes:
<< f it were my pickup I would use metal or rubber instead of the wood. But like I said, I'm not familiar with it, and it's not mine.;-) Marty >> So what are the post 60 beds mounted with? Glenn in TN 57 F100 -- in process Another 57 (maybe a Custom Cab) spotted in the woods. Film at 11! ------------------------------ From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:34:03 -0700 I think after 79 they went to external balance...but not 100% sure Josh -----Original Message----- From: Jason Derra [mailto:derrar internetcds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 3:29 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? > The only thing you need to change would be the flywheel....maybe that's what he > was talking about?? That's easy to get by. I used a 390 truck flywheel on mine. I was told there was a balance change between the early 429s and the later 460s (went to an external balance?) and that a late model 460 flywheel wouldn't work with the early engine. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:36:48 EDT Subject: Re: Donald Haulsee In a message dated 10/17/00 8:13:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, listar ford-trucks.com writes:
<< Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:48:42 -0400 From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Paging Donald Haulsee Is Donald Haulsee still on this list? Have a web site visitor that needs to ask you a question about the EFI article you wrote. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts >> Ken, If you hear from him, put him in touch with me. I'm still trying to wire some areas of my EFI! Glenn in TN 57 F100 -- in process Another 57 (maybe a Custom Cab) spotted in the woods. Film at 11! ------------------------------ From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Bench testing starter Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:36:06 -0500 Thom, I agree. In a situation like this, I always connected the ground on the load last. I was taught that it was wise to keep sparks and flame away from the battery. Jason Kendrick ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:53:32 -0700 > The bellhousing depth is different , from what I've been told , > causes a mismatch between the starter and flywheel . That doesn't make much sense that a auto will work, but not a manual. I used the 351M bellhousing and starter with my 429 and haven't had a bit of a problem. There were differences between some of the FE's (differences between car and truck bellhousings and input shafts), but I've never heard anything about the 429/460's. Can anyone confirm bellhousing part #'s between a 460 and a 400? Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:02:44 EDT Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid In a message dated 10/17/00 2:02:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, puffknit hotmail.com writes:
<< My '65 F-100 won't start. The starter solenoid chatters when I try to start it. I replaced it, but it still chatters. Is it maybe a bad solenoid? What else can I check/do myself before I have to take it to a mechanic? >> First thing I'd do is to check or charge teh abttery. Every time I've had a solinoid chatter, that's been the culprit. Somthing about Ohms law and the rules of supply and demand ;-) George M in Fl. ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:10:32 EDT Subject: Re: 400/460 Could be the error lies in my not as prime as it once was memory also! I dont have any referances handy so I cant debate a 400's weight either way. Like I said, it's just what I remembered (right or wrong). After seeing all the numbers, Im leading towards more wrong than right! Taint the first time, wont be the last either. But as my DI often said "Grow or Die" (and I try to choose Grow). And I do agree that a M block would be heavier than a C (or W if we wanna move from apples & oranges into Bannana's etc). That extera cast Iron has to show somewhere. George M in FL. In a message dated 10/17/00 3:16:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gselby4x4 earthlink.net writes:
<< At 10:15 AM 10/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >have to look, but I'd swear I saw somthing that said a 400 weighed in >at/near 700 lbs. Theirs no significant differance mechanically between teh >351M and 400 to account for a big weight diff (yea, pistons & crank). I'll >have to dig up my ref (not saying that it's right, just that it was my >referance and that's what it said) But there is a weight difference between the 351C and the 351M/400 due to the taller deck on the 'M' block (I don't what to hear about what Ford calls it, or what you have always thought it should be called, you all know .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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