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61-79-list Digest Mon, 16 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 296

In This Issue:
Re: couple of little FE top end assembly tricks
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Offenhauser
Re: Weight of 400 vs. 460
Re: 1955 F-600 Custom
Re: Starting Electrics?
Re: Bed floors material ?
Re: More on bed floors
61 seat swap
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: Weight of 400 vs. 460
Re: Starting Electrics?
Re: Weight of 400 vs. 460
Re: Engine weight list
Re: Resistive wire
Re: Bed floors material ?
Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Re: 1955 F-600 Custom
Re: Engine weight list
Re: C6 bellhousing
Re: frozen e-brake on 61
'76 F-100 Ranger Questions
Weight difference!
Re: Engine weight list
While I'm here!
Re: Engine weight list
Re: couple of little FE top end assembly tricks
460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Re: Starting Electrics?

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From: "JX Schulz" <bdijxs bridgetest.com>
Subject: Re: couple of little FE top end assembly tricks
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:29:16 -0600

Hey Dave,

The black "Ultra" was recommended by Sanderson for the header
installation.....so I used that.

But, you may still be right about the red stuff.....

CJ


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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:42:03 -0400
From: David Henderson <DHenders VT.Edu>
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300

> Im really thing that 300 would make an
> awesome hill climber......
>
> Darrell & Tweety
>

Darrell:

Brownie is a '79 F-250 4x4 and has a slightly built 300 with a 500cfm
4bbl Edelbrock and the Clifford intake and dual headers.  Out here in
Southwestern Virginia in the Blue Ridge and Allegheny mountains where
the elevation averages about 2-3000 feet (with no switch backs up and
down the mountains), I have a hard time maintaining speed up steep
inclines in 4th gear.  The transmission is the NP with the granny low.
In first (granny), second, or third gear, it cannot be beat and the low
end torque rivals the '85 F-250 I had with a 460 and 750cfm Holley.
However, there's not much comparison at high speeds for pulling weight
or pulling hills.  For what it's worth.

Dave H

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:05:18 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300



Basically, I want Tony Marinos truck, but I dont have
>the $$ right now.  Soon though.  Im really thing that 300 would make an
>awesome hill climber......


Hehehe-  I still have it!!  8-)  Drove it around the block this weekend to
keep it lubed up..  If you want something different, and something fun, and
keep your good gas milage, go for a 4v 300 with a CARTER or edelbrock carb
(holley was a serious pain in the butt to tune) and dual exhaust manifolds
off of an FI 300 with the clifford intake... 8-)  I love my little stump
puller!

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com


Tony


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:18:10 EDT
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300

In a message dated 10/16/2000 11:42:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DHenders VT.Edu writes:


> Southwestern Virginia in the Blue Ridge and Allegheny mountains where
> the elevation averages about 2-3000 feet (with no switch backs up and
> down the mountains), I have a hard time maintaining speed up steep
> inclines in 4th gear

The hill climbing I was refering to is the kind of stuff that usually tosses
jeeps over backwards.  We have a hill out at the dunes we lovingly refer to
as the "Spidergear Catcher"  Its a steep sand covered hill that takes the
gusto outta most trucks just to get to what the nasty part is.  The last 10
ft of climb is all nasty rock.  The reason we call it the spidergear catcher
is if you hit those rocks with the wheels spinin like no tomorrow to get up
the sand, it will blow your diff right out the cover.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:28:18 -0500

now that sounds like FUN :)

>
> The hill climbing I was refering to is the kind of stuff that usually
tosses
> jeeps over backwards.  We have a hill out at the dunes we lovingly refer
to
> as the "Spidergear Catcher"  Its a steep sand covered hill that takes the
> gusto outta most trucks just to get to what the nasty part is.  The last
10
> ft of climb is all nasty rock.  The reason we call it the spidergear
catcher
> is if you hit those rocks with the wheels spinin like no tomorrow to get
up
> the sand, it will blow your diff right out the cover.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:30:06 EDT
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300

In a message dated 10/16/2000 12:27:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
don.thurlow greenbaynet.com writes:


> now that sounds like FUN :)


Its a blast, and the offer is always open for a ride, Anyone on the list
comes to Vegas, gimme a shout, We'll do our best to give ya a good time.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:44:05 -0500

There's like NO place to ride over here in wisconsin.
i mean we got the pipe line...
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pyt.org/trails/pipeline.html  only pictures of the pipeline i can
find except mine but i don't have them scanned YEt :-)

i'm still looking for someone in wisconsin if there is anyone on this
list?????


> In a message dated 10/16/2000 12:27:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> don.thurlow greenbaynet.com writes:
>
>
> > now that sounds like FUN :)
>
>
> Its a blast, and the offer is always open for a ride, Anyone on the list
> comes to Vegas, gimme a shout, We'll do our best to give ya a good time.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:52:47 -0400
From: somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300

> Brownie is a '79 F-250 4x4 and has a slightly built 300 with a 500cfm
> 4bbl Edelbrock and the Clifford intake and dual headers.

That's pretty much what I plan to do, minus the "slightly built"
part--I can't afford the $$$ for a cam or other internals, but the
manifold and headers are already on order!

Right now I'm debating whether to go with a manual choke or electric.
Summit only offers the Edelbrock 500 as a manual choke--gotta buy a
conversion kit if I want electric.  Anyone have any experience with these?
How hard is it to do this conversion and set it up properly?

The last car I put a 4bbl on had a manual choke.  I liked the simplicity
of the mechanism, but I never did get the cable set up to my satisfaction.
Always had to pop the hood and work the linkage at the carb to get the
choke to come all the way off.  Of course, that was a Holley 600, which
I cursed for more than one reason.  My general lack of skill might have
had something to do with it, too =:-0.

--sean


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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:00:30 EDT
Subject: Offenhauser

Since winter is coming I thought I'd focus on cleaning and dressing the
engine for my 64 project.  I know Offy makes (or made) a lot of goodies for
the y-blocks.  Someone posted the phone # for them, but does anyone know if
they have a website- or know of a vendor online that carries Offy stuff??  I
haven't been able to find much except for at Red's Header's and e-bay.
Christmas is coming and I'd sure like to put together a shopping list for the
wife!  Thanks.

Nate

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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Weight of 400 vs. 460
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:52:36 -0700

John,
'83 and later 302- 440 lbs
351M/400- 575 lbs
429/460- 640 lbs

These measurements are with factory intake and no external accessories.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://performanceunlimited.com/documents/engineweights.html

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke


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Subject: [61-79-list] Weight of 400 vs. 460


> Does anybody know the approximate weight of a 460 and a 400?  I am
thinking
> the 400 is lighter but not sure how much.
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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:52:26 EDT
Subject: Re: 1955 F-600 Custom

Sounds like rod bearings might be frozen to the crank from years of sitting.
It might be worth dropping the pan and looking at the bearings maybe soaking
them with oil.  Then try to turn it again.

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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:07:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Starting Electrics?

You have it hooked up right, but I always use a bat. charger instead of a
battery because you know you have constant voltage.  If you have an
adjustable batt. charger then high works best.  Or bring it to your local
parts store they usually check them for free.

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From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:05:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Bed floors material ?

Garrett- I sure wouldn't put that new metal over the rusty stuff. Your
askin for trouble. Cut it out first. I used 1/8" cause it was handy, but
you could go with 1/16" and be OK too I imagine.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++
> How thick of sheetmetal did you use? Now I think I might get some
> flat sheetmetal and just cover the entire bed with it... right over
> the old metal. Then Herculiner over that.
>
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From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:09:31 -0500
Subject: Re: More on bed floors

Sorry it didn't work. but they do have a website and their catalog is
online. Try just typing in thier name in a search engine.  Oh...and that
other guy's name is Horkey, not Hornkey, Sorry.
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> tried this web address and it didnt work..."no such address".  :o(
> but i checked and found their snail mail address in one of my truck
mags.
> so i'll write em and check it out.  thanks.  :o)
> -mel
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:33:51 -0400
From: Joe <shoman p3.net>
Subject: 61 seat swap

Group
anybody know is a seat from a 68 will fit in my 61????

JOe


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:42:00 -0400




> There's like NO place to ride over here in wisconsin.
> i mean we got the pipe line...
====================================================
What about near the DALLES there ive been in the area and theres some pretty
good hills there it looked like to me
gordon



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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:43:56 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Weight of 400 vs. 460

Ford 289/302 V8         460         (late 5.0s are a bit lighter)
Ford BOSS 302           500

It's not actually from a book.  I believe I got it from Fordnatics
several years ago...It lists everything from the Alfasud Flat 4 to VW
whatevers...



John Strauss wrote:
>
> >I have a list that says:
> >
> >Ford 429/460 V8         640lbs
> >Ford 351 Cleveland      550lbs
> >
> >I'd say the 400 will be right at or pretty darn close to the weight of
> >the 351C.
> >
> Thanks for the quick reply.  Does your book show a weight for the 302?  My
> '90 F150 has 210K on it and I am planning a replacement engine for the 302.
>  I am kinda leaning toward the 400 just for the weight savings.

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Starting Electrics?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:44:46 -0700

Put the nut on the terminal so it is flush with the end to prevent damaging
the threads.  Clamp the ground jumper cable to the battery and the aluminum
housing on the starter (best ground) then firmly hold the starter in a
position in which you can get a good approach to the terminal with the red
jumper cable end and then....quickly, very firmly press the end to the
terminal.   An unloaded starter still pulls a lot of amps so a good
connection is absolutely a must for testing.  I firm and quick touch to the
terminal reduces the amount of arc damage to the terminal.

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I removed the started from the truck completely and tried getting it to
> engage on my garage floor but I guess I don't completely understand how
> they work.  I'm assuming that the starter itself is grounded through the
> connection to the bell-housing correct?  So that in order to get the



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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:57:23 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Weight of 400 vs. 460

You know, this might be a handy reference for the FTE web site...Ken?

Dennis Pearson wrote:
>
> Ford 289/302 V8         460         (late 5.0s are a bit lighter)
> Ford BOSS 302           500
>
> It's not actually from a book.  I believe I got it from Fordnatics
> several years ago...It lists everything from the Alfasud Flat 4 to VW
> whatevers...
>
> John Strauss wrote:
> >
> > >I have a list that says:
> > >
> > >Ford 429/460 V8         640lbs
> > >Ford 351 Cleveland      550lbs
> > >
> > >I'd say the 400 will be right at or pretty darn close to the weight of
> > >the 351C.
> > >
> > Thanks for the quick reply.  Does your book show a weight for the 302?  My
> > '90 F150 has 210K on it and I am planning a replacement engine for the 302.
> >  I am kinda leaning toward the 400 just for the weight savings.
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:16:10 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine weight list

I went ahead and posted the Engine weight list, in case anyone is
interested...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9487/engwt.htm

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Resistive wire
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:22:06 -0700

No, actually you verified my suspicions.  This indicates that you have
un-resisted battery voltage at the coil in run mode which is not correct for
points (a little rusty on the dura spark right now so won't comment :-))

I was just putting some numbers together but they are not doing what I
expect so I have to go back to school and get the formulas which I was
thinking were E=I*R and W=I*E.  I"ll dink around with that a little more
before making a complete fool of myself :-)

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Again, I agree.  Jeff's coil supply voltage is about 3 volt's below
charging
> voltage.  (IE 11v verses 14v charging voltage.)  My real question is this,
> Is this OK or should I add more resistance in line?  I would hate to


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Bed floors material ?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:35:37 -0700

JC whittney has replacement flooring material for 8' beds which are pretty
generic.  They are either 1/2 of the bed or the whole bed for around $250
total either way.  The metal may be thinner than stock, not sure but the
fender panels I've got so far are heavy enough to do the job.  Haven't
actually measured the thickness yet but typical fender metal is about 0.035"
and the flooring may be slightly thicker but the strength in the floor comes
from the convolutions, not the material or thickness of it.

To equal a stock floor stiffness you would have to use 1/4" steel plate.
Granted this would not dent as easily but it would not hold any more weight
without bowing than the stock material and would be about 3-4 times heavier
and very expensive.

I will be getting the generic 8' bed material and putting it in my 78.  The
worst thing that you might face using this in a 66 or 61 would be having to
trim a little or add a little metal to the edges etc..  As long as you are
planning on welding this together anyway this should not be an issue and
will result in a very stock like appearance and performance for about $250
which is less than you would pay for a used one in "Reasonable" shape at a
junk yard.

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Garrett- I sure wouldn't put that new metal over the rusty stuff. Your
> askin for trouble. Cut it out first. I used 1/8" cause it was handy, but
> you could go with 1/16" and be OK too I imagine.

> > How thick of sheetmetal did you use? Now I think I might get some
> > flat sheetmetal


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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: 4 bbl on a 300
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:56:14 -0500

I love my manual choke. I don't have any experiences with an electric choke.

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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 2:53 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 4 bbl on a 300


> Brownie is a '79 F-250 4x4 and has a slightly built 300 with a 500cfm
> 4bbl Edelbrock and the Clifford intake and dual headers.

That's pretty much what I plan to do, minus the "slightly built"
part--I can't afford the $$$ for a cam or other internals, but the
manifold and headers are already on order!

Right now I'm debating whether to go with a manual choke or electric.
Summit only offers the Edelbrock 500 as a manual choke--gotta buy a
conversion kit if I want electric.  Anyone have any experience with these?
How hard is it to do this conversion and set it up properly?

The last car I put a 4bbl on had a manual choke.  I liked the simplicity
of the mechanism, but I never did get the cable set up to my satisfaction.
Always had to pop the hood and work the linkage at the carb to get the
choke to come all the way off.  Of course, that was a Holley 600, which
I cursed for more than one reason.  My general lack of skill might have
had something to do with it, too =:-0.

--sean

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 1955 F-600 Custom
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:54:42 -0700

Here's what will happen....you will either burn up the clutch trying to ride
it to break the engine free, flat spot the snot our of the tires, destroy a
perfectly restorable crank, bend a rod or......

If you can turn it with a wrench and the effort seems to be "Normal" then
the starter may be the problem but if you are in doubt about the amount of
effort required to turn it with a wrench then.....Don't!  Take it apart and
find out what is happening so you can salvage the expensive parts of the
engine.

What's that addage I keep hearing over and over..??  "Haste makes
Waste....?? :-)

If it's a 55 I'm not sure what engine maybe the 292, not sure but I would
expect to replace things like the crank would be very expensive today.  I'm
hoping the add for the 48 F-6 stays in the paper for a few more months so I
can justify grabbing it (them, there are two for the price of one :-))

Happily Totally Retired,
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I realize that this is not within the bounds of 61-79, but give a fellow
> member a break! I told you guys about the F-600 Custom I picked up in
> exchange for two nanny goats! At any rate, I just started tinkering with
it.
> Unfortunately I haven't gotten too far. The engine hasn't been locked up,
but
> I cannot get the engine to turn over.  I have gotten lots of advice on
what
> to do, and this is what I've done so far: I have lubricated all pulleys,
> taken out the spark plugs, put a oil/gas mixture in the spark plug
outlets,
> manually turned the crank, and tried to turn over the engine.... with no
> success. I am now going to try to drain the oil and replace with new oil
as
> well as an additive to help break up the oil build up. Then I have been
told
> I should put the truck in gear and try pulling the truck to get the crank
> moving.  What do you guys think? Any more advice?  I'd appreciate it!
> Jason Warner
> Yukon, Oklahoma
> 1978 F-250 Custom
> 1955 F-600 Custom
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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Engine weight list
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:03:12 -0700

And the 351M/400 would be listed...where?

>Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface <

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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 4:16 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Engine weight list


> I went ahead and posted the Engine weight list, in case anyone is
> interested...
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9487/engwt.htm




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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: C6 bellhousing
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:01:45 -0500

yeah, I had posted my error earlier, got it mixed up, I have a C4 in the
garage and a C6 in my other truck =P, got mixed up cause I was looking at
the C6's pan the other day.

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To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] C6 bellhousing



Eric writes:  >>are ya'll sure about this? I have a C-6 and the bell housing
comes off of
it, it was out of an early 70's Ford with a 390 in it. I can take pics if
ya'll want.<<

Then it ain't a C6...  Best way to find out for sure is go to your favorite
parts house and
ask to see the oil pan Identification chart for Ford transmissions..  Each
family of
automatics has a different oil pan configuration and therefore different oil
pan gaskets...


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.

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From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: Re: frozen e-brake on 61
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:20:22 -0600

>Nope..Very little twist...Is that how you un lock it??I'm not familiar with
>this style e brake
joe


Yes, you twist it down to get it to unlock and the springs in the lines
should draw it back down.  Mine has never given me any trouble but you might
try hitting any friction points with some WD40 or other good penetrating
oil.  By the way, my transmission guy let me barrow a can of "Enforce"
penetrating oil.  It is fantastic stuff.  If you have the luxury of letting
it sit overnight, you can dang well bet that your part will come loose in
the morning.  Problem is that it is not available to the general public.
For some reason it is sold by vendor only to mechanic shops.  Talked my
friend into buying an extra can for me and I treat it like gold. I think it
was $8 for the can but worth every penny of it.

Rich


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From: "Ryan Hostetler" <hosdv19 hotmail.com>
Subject: '76 F-100 Ranger Questions
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:26:56 EDT

I am looking at a 1976 F-100 Ranger.  What problems should I look out for in
this truck??  I really like these trucks and I'm a college student so I
don't want to waste the well needed money.  Any information about these
trucks is greatly accepted.  And what price might these trucks run (This one
is in nice condition with a little rust and needs a new dashboard)??

Thanks a lot,

Ryan
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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:31:07 EDT
Subject: Weight difference!

Your wives must not ever read this list!

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in process
Another 57 (maybe a Custom Cab) spotted in the woods. Film at 11!
Would love a Unibody if anyone knows the whereabouts!

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:35:18 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine weight list

Hey...What you see is what I had on file...Further information is always
welcome...I may as well start another project...

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> And the 351M/400 would be listed...where?
>
> >Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface <
>

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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:34:55 EDT
Subject: While I'm here!

FTEers,

Forgive the intrusion (don't want to interrupt the weight discussion) but I'm
sure there are more styleside over here than in the pre61 side. Besides,
there is a lot more going on over here!!

In trying to get my bed of my 57 F100 ready for remounting, I came across a
problem with the wood mounting blocks under the middle 4 bolts. I was sure a
treated 2X4 would work just right. Unfortunately, (as always!) it is not
quite tall enough along the 2X side to get the thickest dimension. Is there a
company out there makes and/or sells these to the correct sizes. Mine is a
styleside, but I'm sure the stepsides still have this feature. I have 2 that
made it through the frame-off, but the 2 others were splinters. I think I
remember the 4 outside bolts had rubber pads. I might want to change them too
as the old ones, if they can be found (you really shouldn't take 3 years to
do this!), are quite dry and hard.

TIA for any help.

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in process
Another 57 (maybe a Custom Cab) spotted in the woods. Film at 11!
Would love a Unibody if anyone knows the whereabouts.

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Engine weight list
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:45:33 -0700

No sense in reinventing the wheel:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://performanceunlimited.com/documents/engineweights.html

>Smith & Wesson...the Original point & click interface <

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Pearson" <dpearson ctc.edu>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:35 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Engine weight list


> Hey...What you see is what I had on file...Further information is always
> welcome...I may as well start another project...
>




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From: "David Lindenmayer" <davidl tbcnet.com>
Subject: Re: couple of little FE top end assembly tricks
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:07:06 -0500

Most ultra was made to not screw up 02 sensors is my take on the stuff if
you check the tubes they give the temp range on them. But your idea is good
nothing worst than froze up   fe exhaust bolts
----- Original Message -----
From: "JX Schulz" <bdijxs bridgetest.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:29 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: couple of little FE top end assembly tricks


> Hey Dave,
>
> The black "Ultra" was recommended by Sanderson for the header
> installation.....so I used that.
>
> But, you may still be right about the red stuff.....
>
> CJ
>
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From: "Andersons" <robertan cfw.com>
Subject: 460 Swap into 351M Truck- Advice?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:52:01 -0400

I have the opportunity to buy a rebuilt 460, along with a really ragged out
'77 4wd truck to carry it home.  I heard the engine run today, and it
sounded pretty good.  The truck is priced in the <$1000 range, so it's got
me rethinking the cost and effort of rebuilding the 351M in my otherwise
clean '77 F-150 4wd.  Gotta decide quick, because I have the hoist and stand
in the garage, or to be delivered this week.

My main question:  this 460 is coupled to a C6, and I want to keep the 4
speed in my truck.  Is there a chance that it won't swap, because of the
lack of a pilot bearing releif in the rear of the crankshaft?  I've run into
this problem before re an Ol*s motor/tranny project.  Even if it will mate,
it looked like a poor fit into the engine bay of the donor truck- ex man was
rubbing the frame, and alternator bracket was also touching.  Some
unattractive rigging of accessories in general.

I hear the 460's are the cat's meow- is it worth the extra trouble and
expense to do the 460?  Truck will be used for off-road hauling, trash and
snow operations on my new mountain property.  No highway use.  TIA

Bob
77 F-150 "the Project"


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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:33:33 EDT
Subject: Re: Starting Electrics?

You've got the basic idea down. Yes, the Battery Neg goes to the starter case
(mounting bolts) and the battery + goes to the cable bolt stud on the side.
But hang on to the darn thing (preferably with a large vise etc.) as it'll
really want to take off on ya if not secured well. That might be the cause of
the sparking, moving and breaking the connections as it rocks back & forth.

A weak battery could also be a culprit, but I'd think that with no load (off
the engine), it'd still engage & spin even with a weak one.

My thoughts


George


In a message dated 10/16/00 10:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ecfinn yahoo.com writes:

<< Ok I realize that this is an old thread but I was working on this problem
again yesterday and I've got some more questions.  (surprise, surprise...)

I removed the started from the truck completely and tried getting it to
engage on my garage floor but I guess I don't completely understand how ....


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