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61-79-list Digest Thu, 12 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 290

In This Issue:
Nanuals
93-96 mirrors on my '73?
Re: Manuals
Re: Nanuals
Re: Brand Spankin New Carpet
Carparts.com and online ordering in general...
Re: high output heater
Re: fuel pump
Re: high output heater
Re: new truck
Re: 390 into a '62
Re: Interval wiper switches...
F-E  into a 62 F-250
fuel pump...  NOTE:  don't weld next to the fuel line
question concerning ifs
Re: AAA
Re: 390 into a '62
Vacuum Lines 1971 F100
Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80
Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80
Re: C/B radios
Re: Vacuum Lines 1971 F100
Resistive wire
Re: C/B radios
Re: C/B radios
fUEL PUMPS
shop manuals
Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80
Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80
Re: C/B radios
Onan Generator
Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80
390 info
Anyone?
Re: Transmission ID: Was: Re: Online Vin # decoder for '7

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:01:55 -0500
From: Al Evitts <albert brightok.net>
Subject: Nanuals

Can anybody tell me the url to helm?  I need to see if they have an
obscure manual.

Tnanx    Al

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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: 93-96 mirrors on my '73?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:06:21 GMT

I like the looks of the 93-96 power mirrors, and have been kicking around
the idea of mounting them onto my '73.  I know the angle of the doors is
different, hopefully I can work around that - custom adapter/mount or alter
the door a little.  Does anyone know how the new mirrors mount on?  I see
two screws into the sheet metal, is that all or is there some sort of brace
on the inside?

I would have to do some wiring and mount the switch, I can handle that, with
a diagram and some ingenuity.

I would appreciate any suggestions, comments or thoughts.

Marty
'73 F100 390
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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Manuals
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:09:09 -0700

www.helminc.com

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Can anybody tell me the url to helm?  I need to see if they have an
obscure manual.

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:06:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Nanuals

www.helminc.com

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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brand Spankin New Carpet
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:22:00 GMT


>Where'd you score your carpet from???

It came from Carparts.com.  The Oct 2000 issue of Petersen's 4 Wheel &
Offroad had a coupon for $50 off a $150 order, couldn't pass that up.  The
carpet was $100, and I got a steering wheel that was basically free.  I
thought it was a good deal.  That was the only time I've done business with
Carparts.com, and I was satisfied, no problems anyway.

Marty
'73 F100 with new carpet
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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Carparts.com and online ordering in general...
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:43:37 -0700

Have used them several times and they have always been accomodating.  Used a
$50 off coupon to get a set of very nice diamond plate running boards for my
'77 E150 (wheel to wheel) for $105 shipped.

They deal in used parts too.  Probably wouldn't have old Ford parts, but I
ordered a used P/S pump for an Infiniti Q45 for $70 (reman one was $240 and
local wreckers wanted $150) which was guaranteed for 30 days and it was
great.

The only error I had from them was I ordered a high volume oil pump for the
3.8 I was putting in my Delta 88.  They sent me a pump for a RWD 3.8, which
I did not notice until 5 months later when I finally had time to pull the
motor.  It was well past their 30 day refund policy (my fault), but I called
them and they took it back and gave me a full refund, including shipping the
part back to them!

Check out www.dealcatcher.com or onlyonsale.com - they have lots of coupon
codes for all kinds of online businesses.  Some are not so good, but some
are great (they have that $50 coupon code from carparts.com listed).  I send
SWMBO flowers every so often from 1800flowers.com and I found coupon codes
at these sites that saves me about $10 per order (pays for the service
charge).

It's worth a look to see if the place you're considering buying from anyway
has a coupon deal out there...

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From: MARTY COLMAN [mailto:colman76 hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:22 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Brand Spankin New Carpet



>Where'd you score your carpet from???

It came from Carparts.com.  The Oct 2000 issue of Petersen's 4 Wheel &
Offroad had a coupon for $50 off a $150 order, couldn't pass that up.  The
carpet was $100, and I got a steering wheel that was basically free.  I
thought it was a good deal.  That was the only time I've done business with
Carparts.com, and I was satisfied, no problems anyway.

Marty
'73 F100 with new carpet

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:14:08 GMT
Subject: Re: high output heater

>Does it have a bigger heater core?  bigger fan?  Is it really
>warmer?  Would it be worth the trouble to put it into mine?  Mine works
>good, but the winters in South Dakota are cold.
>

Mine said that as well on it, but a 160° thermostat takes care of that "high
output" really quick ... it seems like they asked me if it was a high output
heater when I was getting a radiator, so maybe they sized that smaller figuring
if you needed the high output heater you didn't need as much cooling ?  I'd
also guess the heater core to be bigger.  Unfortunately my truck is so many
pieces I'd bet that mine just had the dashplate that said that and not really
any of the components.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:49:20 -0600
Subject: Re: fuel pump

>From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
>
>quick question:
>
>will a 351/400 fuel pump fit a 460?

Yo Bob:

Quick answer: no.

The 335 series engines (351C/351M/400) have a unique fuel pump design.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: high output heater
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:26:42 -0400




> >Does it have a bigger heater core?  bigger fan?  Is it really
> >warmer?  Would it be worth the trouble to put it into mine?  Mine works
> >good, but the winters in South Dakota are cold.
========================================================
when i tried sticking a high output heater core in my 79 f 100 i found out
they will NOT fit the heater box it goes into real quick
it was a thicker and larger both
gordon



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From: daves8 juno.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:26:24 -0600
Subject: Re: new truck

Hey, I've gotta ask you... how and where did they mount the Onan
generator in it?  Or is it just tossed in the box?

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado
73 F250 Camper Special

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:40:25 -0500 Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
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...................
> The '72 F250 camper special with the Onan Generator is for sale as
well.
.......

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 390 into a '62
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:13:31 -0400




> Thanks Gordon, that's something I hadn't thought of.  Are the engine
> compartment frame dimensions the same through '66?
>
> Rich
==========================================
rich
i spoke with my friend who has done the same conversion to a F/E engine he
says he used car motor mounts and welded them to bar stock for his 390 in
his 61 BUT he says there is a easier way tho that J.C.Whitney has a kit to
do this set up for about 100.00 bucks thats much easier tho
gordon



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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:05:32 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: Interval wiper switches...

What is involved in doing this swap? are there two parts or one? is the switch and
timer together or separate? so you think the switch and timer from the 83 will fit
a '73-'79???

Thanks
Howard

Mike Mackie wrote:

> Picked up an interval wiper switch and timer from an 83 F150 on the weekend.
> Just for kicks tried plugging it in to my 68. It works great! Had to move one
> wire in the timer harness to get the squirters working but no other problems.
> I can't see why earlier switches wouldn't work as well. It's the little bonuses
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From: oldfords63 juno.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:12:34 -0500
Subject: F-E  into a 62 F-250

<richlars burgoyne.com> writes:
> I have seen these cradle type mounts but have been reluctant to get
one. >>>>  Do you have any problems with yours?
=========================================================================
===
Rich- I never had problems with the 302, but, it looked like there'd be
room to pull the pan. I don't know how much room there is on the FE
set-up though.  It's pretty common to have to lift the engine to pull the
pan anyway. If you WOULD have to pull the pan, it only takes a few
minutes to get the motor ready to raise. Good luck, Phil
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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject:  fuel pump...  NOTE:  don't weld next to the fuel line
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:13 -0400

>will a 351/400 fuel pump fit a 460?

Yo Bob:

Quick answer: no.

Thanks!

==================================

I've spent the past two WHOLE days trying to figure out why no fuel is
getting to the carb.  I found one reason... I welded a hole in a the fuel
line.  (fixed that problem)  After changing the fuel pump a couple times
(back and forth after many A experiment) I'm stuck.  I used a brake line
bleeder and made sure fuel came to the pump, but neither pump I put in wants
to push it to the carb.  I'm sure if I would have found the hole before I
messed with the fuel pump, it'd be running now, but... live and learn.  Is
it possible I put the pump in wrong?  Both were bolted to the block
securely, and both are for a FORD 460.

aggravated and tired,

-bob-


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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:49:51 -0700
From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: question concerning ifs

I'm wanting to put in a mustang II ifs in my 65 f100. what year mustang
II should i look for and how hard is it going to be to get it off of the
mustang II?

--
Andrew Rolfsen
1965 Ford F100 Flare Side 351c
1968 Mercury Cougar 302
1966 Plymouth Fury III 318



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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: AAA
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:57:54 -0500

hehe

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with that Z-28 those 6 free tows will come in handy . HA-HA-HA
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> My wife and I are both AAA Plus members. With the trucks, her Z28 and POS
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>
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From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: Re: 390 into a '62
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:08:48 -0600

> rich
> i spoke with my friend who has done the same conversion to a F/E engine he
> says he used car motor mounts and welded them to bar stock for his 390 in
> his 61 BUT he says there is a easier way tho that J.C.Whitney has a kit to
> do this set up for about 100.00 bucks thats much easier tho
> gordon

Thanks!!!  I will dig out my JCW and give them a look-see.  I appreciate the
tip

Rich


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From: Deppdog aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:40:24 EDT
Subject: Vacuum Lines 1971 F100

I have a '71 F100 with a 360 / 2 bbl - C6. Is there a diagram for the vacuum
lines available anywhere? Does anyone have one they could scan and e-mail me?
Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:29:45 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80

I found this Vin # decoder for 1970 - 80 F100 - F350 and Bronco. Seems
to be accurate for my two '77,s and my '75 - '78 parts trucks.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/ftvin.cgi

Question: Are there any visable differences (on the outside) between a
C6 and FMX trans? I don't think I've ever seen an FMX.

TIA
Gregster
'77 F250 Explorer 4x4
'77 F100 Custom 4x4 (new addition to the family)


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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:45:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80

The Gregster Wrote:

> Question: Are there any visable differences (on the outside) between a
>  C6 and FMX trans? I don't think I've ever seen an FMX.

Try this on for size Greg.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tbeeee/page/Auto-Trans.html

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: C/B radios
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:31:02 -0400

THANKS
for the C/B links evryone
gordon



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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:13:05 EDT
Subject: Re: Vacuum Lines 1971 F100

In a message dated 10/12/00 8:41:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Deppdog aol.com
writes:

<< I have a '71 F100 with a 360 / 2 bbl - C6. Is there a diagram for the
vacuum
lines available anywhere? Does anyone have one they could scan and e-mail
me?
Thanks! >>

Im rather sure Ive got those diagrams for a '73 but I'd have to look to make
sure (In my '73 Ford Manuals.) If ya still want them, let me know....

George M in Fl.

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Resistive wire
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:17:33 -0500


Rich writes:  >>Key on engine off, points closed  7.2 volts....  When I hooked up
a jumper wire from the batt to the coil, the voltage read 12.0 v<<

This in itself tells me that there is resistance someplace between the Ignition and
the distributor....  How about it Gary???  Doesn't the fact that the jumper gives a
higher voltage indicate a restive wire???

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: C/B radios
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:29:51 -0500

Anytime! My current radio is the Cobra 25LTD with 40 lower channels, echo
reverb, and talkback. It pushes ten watts barefoot and 100 watts with help.
"Enough" to get the job done!:-)
Jason


> THANKS
> for the C/B links evryone
> gordon



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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: C/B radios
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:31:13 -0500

Oops, that was supposed to go directly to Gordon! Sorry!
Jason


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: fUEL PUMPS
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:44:21 -0500


Bob writes:  >> will a 351/400 fuel pump fit a 460<<

I believe the 351M/400 and C have vertical bolt mountings whereas the
460/429's have horizontal bolt mountings..  If this is so, then No!  Won't
swap out..
Ain't positive, but I think this is correct...

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:52:12 -0500
From: prices <prices mciworld.com>
Subject: shop manuals

If anyone is interested, I have a set of '73 and a set of '75 shop manuals
for sale.  Both sets are in very good condition.  They cover the F series as
well as Bronco and Econoline.  Asking $55 for either set plus shipping.
Figured I would offer them to you guys before putting them on ebay.  Please
email me off line at    prices mciworld.com


bkp in NC
73 XLT 429
78 XLT 302
67 future project


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:09:10 -0400

the case & the bell housing on the C-6  are all one piece.isn't the case &
bell housing on a FMX 2 seperate pcs.  ?   I have never had anything with an
FMX tranny in it.
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>The Gregster Wrote:
>
>> Question: Are there any visable differences (on the outside) between a
>>  C6 and FMX trans? I don't think I've ever seen an FMX.
>
>Try this on for size Greg.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tbeeee/page/Auto-Trans.html
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:35:44 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80



Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:

> the case & the bell housing on the C-6  are all one piece.

<snip>
Then there must be different C6,s (bell housing bolt patterns) for different
engine families ... i.e., one from a 360 won't fit a 460, right? My buddy needs
a C6 for his 460. All I have is one from a 360.


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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: C/B radios
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:27:23 -0500

Jason i wouldn't annonce that to loud.  Shhh FCC

> Anytime! My current radio is the Cobra 25LTD with 40 lower channels, echo
> reverb, and talkback. It pushes ten watts barefoot and 100 watts with
help.
> "Enough" to get the job done!:-)
> Jason
>
>
> > THANKS
> > for the C/B links evryone
> > gordon
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:19:10 -0500
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: Onan Generator

>Hey, I've gotta ask you... how and where did they mount the Onan
>generator in it?  Or is it just tossed in the box?

Dave,

It is mounted on the driver's side fender well up under the hood. The
exhaust runs down and out the bottom of the engine compartment. The mount
is really to the driver's side frame rail with some kind of vibration
absorbing mount. The driver's side inner fender seems to be a special unit
made just for this generator. The owner's manual is in the glovebox. It
says "Onan Ford" on it.

Doss Halsey



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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:00:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Online Vin # decoder for '70 thru '80

--- Greg <greg gregster.com> wrote:
> Tim and Pam Allgire wrote:
>
> > the case & the bell housing on the C-6  are all one piece.
>
> <snip>
> Then there must be different C6,s (bell housing bolt patterns) for
> different
> engine families ... i.e., one from a 360 won't fit a 460, right? My
> buddy needs
> a C6 for his 460. All I have is one from a 360.

Greg,

If I'm not mistaken then you'll be able to use a C6 from behind a 335
series engine such as what's behind a 351M/400.  These should not be hard
to find since they  were the most common motor in the '77 1/2-'79 F-series
and Bronco's.  I don't have personal knowledge of this but I've heard it
discussed enough to know that if you've got a truck with 351M/C6 combo you
can swap in a 460 without changing the trans.

HTH,

Eric Finn
'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress)
'79 F-350 (coming soon...)

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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: 390 info
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:13:16 -0500


Well guys & gals, got me another truck, couldn't pass it up. 1970 F250
Camper Special. It was at a car dealership and the guy said if I fixed the
accelerator linkage on it, I could have it for 400 bucks. I was grinning
from ear to ear =P. What I want to know is, can ya'll tell me some sites
that tell about the 390? I'm not real familiar with V8's. Thanks!
"Old Fords Never Die, They Just Go Faster..."
'67 F100 247. That's right, 247 =)(240 .060 over)
'70 F250 Camper Special. 390 cid and Dana 60.




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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Anyone?
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:59:56 -0500

Anyone from wisconsin on this list (besides me) that knows of any good
places to get old good ford parts? LIke a bed perhaps :-)


-Don Thurlow


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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:26:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Transmission ID: Was: Re: Online Vin # decoder for '7

In a message dated 10/12/2000 11:59:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ....


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