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61-79-list Digest Fri, 06 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 280

In This Issue:
Re: Gas in Oil
Re: emissions control
Re: paper air filters
Re: Hard to restart when hot??
Re: emissions control
Re: paper air filters
Re: emissions control
hot starter problems
Any other 61-66  F-250 4x4 owners out there
Re: emissions control
Re: While we're talking about fuel tanks...
Re: Anodizing vs. Oxidizing
Re: emissions control
Re: Any other 61-66  F-250 4x4 owners out there
Re: Hard to restart when hot???
Re: Hard to restart when hot???
Re: Gas in Oil
Re: emissions control
Re: FT's and FE's- lots of ????s
Re: emissions control Now cost of smog pump
Re: emissions control
Re: emissions control
Re: emissions control Now cost of smog pump
Re: hot starter problems
Re: emissions control Now cost of smog pump

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:05:55 -0500
Subject: Re: paper air filters
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I just bought the paper filters in bulk for an every 10,000 change.

At that rate a paper filter for Henry would last me about 5 years.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:20:52 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Gas in Oil

One way a fuel pump can go bad is letting gas into the oil...

"JB MCIWorld" wrote:

> > Help,
> >  I just rebuilt the 302 in my 72 f100, and changed the break in oil
> > last night. I noticed it seemed thin and had a gas smell to it. Any
> > ideas? Could it be in the intake or gas blowing by the rings before
> > they seated? The engine has been running great since the rebuild, no
> > smoking or noticeable oil consumption.
> >
> > thanks
> > jeff

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:24:30 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control



Deacon wrote:
>
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>
> > Must be a CA truck, because my '76 F-250 has no emission controls
> > whatsoever.
>
>     Just so happens it is a CA truck Rade. To be truthful I didn't think
> they changed set-ups state to state. My '76 F350 FE360 has EGR, PCV, air
> injection and the gas tank recirculation (can't remember what it's
> called at the moment). My '73 F100 302 has EGR and PCV yet my '66
> Mustang 289 has PCV and air injection. I thought everything post '73 at
> least had EGR and PCV no matter where they are sold.

Nope, 78 460 out of E350 in NJ I picked up 6 months ago had only PCV,
nothing else.

                             OX


--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
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SX's, 4"lift
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:26:47 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: paper air filters



Chris Dains wrote:

> Boy, did I just re-kick the hornets nest.......  I'll put on my flack jacket for the reply's...
>
No, just a nice coda...amen, RIP, etc...

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:37:26 -0500
From: John Strauss <jstrauss inetport.com>
Subject: Re: Hard to restart when hot??

>Im having some problems resarting my engine after it is hot.... Starts
>very easy when it is cold or has only been running for a few minutes but
>after the thermostsat has opened it takes quite a bit of cranking to come
>back to life.....  The engine in question is a '70 429. RV cam,Performer
>intake and Carter AFB....Otherwise pretty much stock.
>
Could be heat soak, meaning gas is boiling out of the carb when the engine
is hot.  If you are getting black smoke when it finally starts, then that
is it.  If not, I suspect a bad coil.
  _
_| ~~.  John Strauss
\, *_}  jstrauss inetport.com
  \(    Texas Fight!


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From: skordik yahoo.com
Subject: Re: emissions control
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:37:57 -0500

>
>
> Deacon wrote:
> >     Just so happens it is a CA truck Rade. To be truthful I
> didn't think
> > they changed set-ups state to state.

I think that the only state to state differences are between CA and the
other
49 states. AFAIK (for non CA) everything under 10,000 GVW (it might have
been 8,500) had to have
emissions equipment starting in 79. I bought a new 3/4 ton van in '78
because it was the last
year w/o emissions.


Steve Kordik


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: paper air filters
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:51:14 -0700


> You made the right choice. The key here is that you changed your filter
> twice a month. Most people change twice a year...maybe. In your situation,
> the K&N should be chosen on economy alone. Any other advantage is gravy.

Even if you only changed the air filter twice a year,  it would only take 3
years to pay for itself.
That's not much time over the life of a truck you may have for 20 years or
more.
BTW, 2000 miles a year is not a daily driver, it's a Sunday driver.  I
wouldn't change an air filter in a pickup that sits most of the time either.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD
Happiness is a handful of warm deer guts


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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:48:07 -0500
Subject: Re: paper air filters
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> BTW, 2000 miles a year is not a daily driver, it's a Sunday driver.  I
> wouldn't change an air filter in a pickup that sits most of the time either.

I disagree with your definition of a daily driver. I drive my truck 6 days
out of seven in a typical week. I just don't drive it very far. I live close
to work and college. That creates a whole new set of severe operating
conditions for me. During the winter I have to drive extra miles to get out
of warm up mode. What a treat! Extra time in my truck. I turned over 80k
original miles yesterday. A daily driver is one that goes almost every day.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:51:15 -0600
From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control

My '79 f250 has catalytic converters, in addition to the missing air
injection system with which it was originally equipped, being a CA
model.  It's a shame to have to put this stuff back on.  BTW, I'm in UT.
-Randy


> I thought that F250 didn't incorporate emissions until 1980 when it was
> no longer considered just a commercial vechile.

> My '76 F350 has air injection. It has no CATS, but it has everything
> else. Maybe they added CATS in '80.


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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:12:11 -0700
From: Clare Waterman-Storer <waterman scripps.edu>
Subject: hot starter problems

how about this related problem-  my starter has trouble when the engine is hot
and i have to idle for a while.  i.e.  if im sitting in a long line of traffic
(over 1/2 an hour) the truck will want to stall.  when it does, the starter
BARELY wants to kick it over.  I think that this is heat on the starter,
because if i am moving fast, i think the starter gets a bit cooled by the air
flow around the engine.  but when idling, the heat just builds up.  by the
way, i have headers.  is this normal behavior for a starter?  should i replace
it?  do those starter heat shields really work?  this is important because the
time it likes to happen is when i'm crossing the border from tijuana back into
san diego (long waits!!!) and it really makes me nervous the idea of the truck
not starting and me getting stuck in mexico!!! nothing against mexico, but the
border crossing is a REALLY shady area!

clare

John Strauss wrote:

> CARGO MATS FOR PICKUPS & SUVS - Keep your stuff
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>
> >Im having some problems resarting my engine after it is hot.... Starts
> >very easy when it is cold or has only been running for a few minutes but
> >after the thermostsat has opened it takes quite a bit of cranking to come
> >back to life.....  The engine in question is a '70 429. RV cam,Performer
> >intake and Carter AFB....Otherwise pretty much stock.
> >
> Could be heat soak, meaning gas is boiling out of the carb when the engine
> is hot.  If you are getting black smoke when it finally starts, then that
> is it.  If not, I suspect a bad coil.
>    _
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>  \, *_}  jstrauss inetport.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:11:22 -0400
From: Joe <shoman p3.net>
Subject: Any other 61-66  F-250 4x4 owners out there

Well with my new 61 f-250 4x4 flareside , i was wondering if there are
any other
people on the list with these years especiall the earlier years
61-64....
Joe
68 F-100 4x4 390/auto
61 F-250 4x4 292/4spd "Flareside"


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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:12:04 -0600
From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control

> Do they check the exhaust content at the tailpipe? If not, the main thing
> that counts is that it looks good. I have known people who had a real pretty
> smog pump with a belt turning it real nice, but it was just a shaft inside
> the pump, no impellers, no nothing.

Yes- good point.  I already bought pump, bypass/check valves, injection pipe, etc..
last night (~$100).  I think I'll check the wrecking yards a little harder, before
I install.
-Randy


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: While we're talking about fuel tanks...
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:24:53 -0500



If the float has a hole in it and is partially full of fuel it may do that.

---Garrett www.1966ford.com

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Sean O'Malley
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:59 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: While we're talking about fuel tanks...
 > > fuel guage is not very accurate.  That is, when the tank is full, the guage
 > > only reads about 3/4.

 The gauge on my single-tank f-150 is that way.  Reads around 3/4 when full
 and goes a proportionate amount below Empty on the other end.  No idea
 why, just thought I'd let you know your truck ain't the only one that
 does it.

 --sean



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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:20:29 -0400
From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: Re: Anodizing vs. Oxidizing

Nate <Natp244 cs.com> said:
>Subject: Anodizing vs. Oxidizing
>
>OK- I've been full of questions lately- but this one has got me corn-fyoozed.
> Someone began by asking about cleaning up the aluminum trim on their pickup
>and all of the responses have been about stripping the anodization from them.
> I thought anodizing was the coating put on aluminum to help keep it from
>oxidizing.  Isn't the OXIDATION what needs to be removed.  I understand
>stripping the anodization if it is in bad shape, then going back with a
>clearcoat- but I thought anodization was a good thing. am I confused??


You are right, to a point. The factory aluminum trim has a clear
anodization to protect it. But after many years, the pieces develop what
some have described as a "milky" haze. This is not rust, but rather just a
dullness that no amount of over-the-counter polishes seems to cure. To
restore the shine, you have to remove the anodization and then polish the
trim. Ideally, the pieces could then be anodized again, but this is costly,
so most people just spray a clear coat over the newly polished trim.

I the aluminum side trim on my Club Wagon is dull at the front points. I
haven't had the guts to strip and polish them yet. Stripping the
anodization is tricky because if the solvent sits on too long, it can
damage the metal. I have stripped colored anodization off of bicycle
components and have used EZ-Off HD oven cleaner. This stuff is more toxic
than it's use would imply. It's powerful and really burns like h***, so use
gloves and goggles and work outdoors if possible. Just spraying the can
once allowed some mist to drift into my eyes. That's the last time I didn't
use goggles.

-don

Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA
FCA Keystone Chapter Internet Director
61 Falcon Futura, 66 Falcon Club Wagon and classic scooters



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From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:36:53 -0600
Subject: Re: emissions control

>From: Aeroape82 aol.com
>
>I thought that F250 didn't incorporate emissions
>until 1980 when it was no longer considered
>just a commercial vechile.

Yo Aeroape82, et al:

When the Feds mandated unleaded fuel (and catalytic converters) for all new cars
nationally in 1975, vehicles over 5500 lbs GVW were exempt as "heavy-duty."  At
that time, all F250s and F350s were considered heavy-duty vehicles.

Ford introduced the F150 that year to get a "half-ton" truck model up over the
5500 lbs GVW limit for emissions.  When the full-size Bronco came out in 1978 w/
a GVW over 5500 lbs, it was considered a heavy-duty vehicle for emissions
purposes.

In 1979, the Feds (EPA) increased the GVW limit for heavy-duty vehicles to 8500
lbs.  Since Ford was building some F250s w/ GVW around 7K lbs, they introduced
the heavy-duty/light-duty designations on F250 models starting in 1979 to
distinguish them.  Broncos built to the same specs in 1979 as they were in 1978
had catalytic converters because they no longer qualified as heavy-duty
vehicles.

For all vehicles built in the 1979 model year or later, the cutoff GVW for
heavy-duty emissions rules is 8500 lbs.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:42:08 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: Any other 61-66  F-250 4x4 owners out there

Hi Joe,

I have a '66 F250 and a '65 F250 .
Both Styleside .

dave Prasse
Freeport , IL

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:57:44 -0500
Subject: Re: emissions control
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>big snip<
> For all vehicles built in the 1979 model year or later, the cutoff GVW for
> heavy-duty emissions rules is 8500 lbs.
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)

Dave is exactly correct for the 49 states, but California was (and is) a
loner on emission controls. A California truck may not follow this exact
timeline. In general, California enacted controls from 1 to 3 years prior to
the Feds and their rules were not always identical to the Feds. Any
differences would be more strict than the Feds. BTW, modern emission
controls were first mandated by the Feds for January 1, 1967.

I had a 72 non Ford station wagon that refused to drive away cold without
extended warm up. When I went to get a carb kit, they had to special order
it because it was a car brought to Texas by a soldier that was sold new in
California and had a special emission carb.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "paul johnson" <hypoid hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hard to restart when hot???
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 19:56:52 GMT


If it cranks over slowly, it has small amounts of antifreeze being pulled in
through the head gasket. This will gum up the cylinders until the oil/fuel
mixture washes it off. If it cranks fast then hold the throtle to the mat
while cranking. If it starts immediately, then the carb is too rich at the
mid and low speed circuits. Also if it cranks fast and starts slowly then
the static timing could also be set to retarded. PJ

>From: "paul williams" <williams22470 hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] Hard to restart when hot???
>Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:02:20 PDT
>
>CARGO MATS FOR PICKUPS & SUVS - Keep your stuff
>from sliding around! Click below for more info!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>   Im having some problems resarting my engine after it is hot.... Starts
>very easy when it is cold or has only been running for a few minutes but
>after the thermostsat has opened it takes quite a bit of cranking to come
>back to life.....  The engine in question is a '70 429. RV cam,Performer
>intake and Carter AFB....Otherwise pretty much stock. (Please Lord, let
>this
>query be the one that puts an end to the paper/KN filter dispute.... Many
>of
>us cant take it any more ;-)~  ) Hey! Did I just type that????  =P   Thanks
>in advance,  Paul
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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Hard to restart when hot???
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:40 -0700


>    Im having some problems resarting my engine after it is
> hot.... Starts
> very easy when it is cold or has only been running for a few
> minutes but
> after the thermostsat has opened it takes quite a bit of
> cranking to come
> back to life.....  The engine in question is a '70 429. RV
> cam,Performer
> intake and Carter AFB....Otherwise pretty much stock. (Please
> Lord, let this
> query be the one that puts an end to the paper/KN filter
> dispute.... Many of
> us cant take it any more ;-)~  ) Hey! Did I just type
> that????  =P   Thanks
> in advance,  Paul
> ______________________________________________________________

It sounds like the problem is heat related.  I would guess either vapor lock
or heat soak in the carb.
1.  After the truck is warm enough to cause the problem try removing the air
cleaner lid and look down the throat of the carb.  Look for fuel percolating
out of the jets.  This would be the heat soak.  You could try a phenolic
carb spacer to insulate the carb from the manifold.

2.  Check that the fuel line doesn't run near a heat source.  Try insulating
the fuel line to prevent the fuel boiling in the line.

3.  When you stop the engine when it is warm can you restart the truck right
away?  If you can than this would support the heat soak theory.  If you
can't restart the truck immediately after shutdown then I would suspect
something electrical.  Maybe the ignition control module.  They seem to have
2 circuits one for start and one for run.  I have seen these fail on one
side and not the other.  One truck wouldn't start until you released the key
from the start position.  The other car wouldn't continue running if you
released the key from the start position.

Tom H.

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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Gas in Oil
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:43 -0700


>
> > Help,
> >  I just rebuilt the 302 in my 72 f100, and changed the break in oil
> > last night. I noticed it seemed thin and had a gas smell to it. Any
> > ideas? Could it be in the intake or gas blowing by the rings before
> > they seated? The engine has been running great since the rebuild, no
> > smoking or noticeable oil consumption.
> >
> > thanks
> > jeff

I guess it could be blowby.  It could also be the fuel pump diaphram is
leaking and the fuel is getting into the sump from there.

Tom H.

------------------------------

From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0700

I think so.  My 76 F-150 has nothing.  Even when I registered it in CA.
Course it had a Corpus Christi dealer sticker on the tail gate.

Tom H.

> Must be a CA truck, because my '76 F-250 has no emission controls
> whatsoever.
>
> Radoje Spasojevic
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> '90XLT-351W-AOD-BW1356-Dana44-Ford8.8(Lockright)-3.55
> '83Custom-300-Clark4spd-NP208-Dana44-Ford8.8"-3.08
> '76F-250 Crew Cab-390FE-NP435-NP205-Dana 60-Dana 60-4.10
> '87Eddie Bauer-No engine-No tranny-No t-case-No axles-No front clip
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.2bigbroncos.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deacon <deconblu ford-trucks.com>

> >> I thought that F250 didn't incorporate emissions until 1980 when it
> >was no
> >> longer considered just a commercial vechile.
> >
> >My '76 F350 has air injection. It has no CATS, but it has everything
> >else. Maybe they added CATS in '80.
> >
> >
> >Later!
> >
> >Deacon
> >
> >deconblu ford-trucks.com


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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: FT's and FE's- lots of ????s
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:42 -0700


>
> Thanks to all who replied- I think I got all of my questions
> answered.  The
> 361 is in an F-600 and someone said that some of these came
> with the NP435-
> so maybe I will check out what kind of tranny is behind it.
>
> dad is wanting a 4X4 (we had our olympiad showfall last
> winter- so everyone
> in Arkansas thinks they need one now!)

Where in Ar are you?  Funniest thing I ever saw while I was living in Searcy
we had one of those 2 week snow storms (snows 2 days stays cold 2 weeks and
snow stays on ground that long).  We had to go up to our ranch.  Put the
tire chains on our 2wd import pickup and passed 3 or 4 4X4s in the ditch.
Laughed all the way to and from the ranch :-)

> And I've been pushing for a hiboy
> project.  My dream is a 75 F-250 w/390- or maybe now with a
> 391.  Maybe this
> info will help convince him to go that way since he already
> has a good
> engine:)  I'm all tied up with my 64 resto, so I must live
> out my dreams
> through my parents (backwards???) Of course, I'd have to make
> sure it saw
> plenty of use!
>
> Thanks again,
> Nate
>

Don't get me wrong I would go for the project as well.  One other difference
in the FT block to the FE is the FT has a larger diameter distributor shaft.
This means an FE distributor won't fit an FT.  I think there is a bushing
you could put in the larger hole and make the FE fit.  From what I've heard
the FT block and crank are stronger and can make the conversion worth while.

Tom H.

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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control Now cost of smog pump
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:47 -0700


<snip>
>
> Do they check the exhaust content at the tailpipe? If not,
> the main thing
> that counts is that it looks good. I have known people who
> had a real pretty
> smog pump with a belt turning it real nice, but it was just a
> shaft inside
> the pump, no impellers, no nothing.
>
> -- John

Now that makes me wonder.  Since the air injection pump was designed to
introduce oxygen to the exhaust system, how much parasitic drag does it
produce?  IE would there really be a performance gain (measurable) to
disabling it?

Tom H.

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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:49 -0700


> My '79 f250 has catalytic converters, in addition to the missing air
> injection system with which it was originally equipped, being a CA
> model.  It's a shame to have to put this stuff back on.  BTW,
> I'm in UT.
> -Randy
>
>

It's times like this that it becomes tempting to find a non-CA truck and
swap out the driver's side door.  Not to suggest anything extra-legal or
anything. ;0)

Tom H.

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:08:43 -0700

Won't work.  They can check through the Vin #...

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> My '79 f250 has catalytic converters, in addition to the missing air
> injection system with which it was originally equipped, being a CA
> model.  It's a shame to have to put this stuff back on.  BTW,
> I'm in UT.
> -Randy
>
>

It's times like this that it becomes tempting to find a non-CA truck and
swap out the driver's side door.  Not to suggest anything extra-legal or
anything. ;0)

Tom H.
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:31:14 GMT
Subject: Re: emissions control Now cost of smog pump

>Now that makes me wonder.  Since the air injection pump was designed to
>introduce oxygen to the exhaust system, how much parasitic drag does it
>produce?  IE would there really be a performance gain (measurable) to
>disabling it?
>

I think they estimate the hp loss to be all of a single hp or less ... that
may be just the newer ones, but as long as your old one is in good shape I can't
see it taking much more than 2 or 3 ...

Of course a seized up one can suck all the hp and kill the motor if the belt's
tight enough ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:35:51 GMT
Subject: Re: hot starter problems

>how about this related problem-  my starter has trouble when the engine is hot

>and i have to idle for a while.  i.e.  if im sitting in a long line of traffic

>(over 1/2 an hour) the truck will want to stall.  when it does, the starter

>BARELY wants to kick it over.

If it starts warm okay normally, but when you're sitting still it causes problems,
then it does indeed sound like a heat soaked starter.  Also be sure and check
all the cables too, it could be that they're just getting that much warmer and
the whole thing is causing problems ... I have to wonder why its dying on you
anyway ... sounds like 2 problems ...

> by the
>way, i have headers.  is this normal behavior for a starter?

Unfortunately the headers are probably not helping the situation ... its not
normal, but its not uncommon ... its not supposed to do that either.

> should i replace
>it?

Probably, if its getting bad about doing this.

>  do those starter heat shields really work?

Wouldn't be a bad idea, I've never used one, but never had this problem either.



When the truck gets ready to stall, is it overheating, or vapor locking on you
?  just curious if its a sudden stall or what ... sometimes you sit idling for
a while then step on the gas and poof its vapor locked, it can keep enough cool
fuel comin through at idle, but more than that or an accelerator squirt and
its done for ... one old truck for the stangs was a couple of clothespins on
the fuel line to help dissipate the heat... Carrie says she did this on her
Camaro too and it worked, but probably should fix the problem rather than just
patch it if you know what's causing it...
Just my $.02
wish

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: emissions control Now cost of smog pump
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:40:42 -0700

Yes, the drag is minimal.  Someone earlier mentioned knowing people who ran
gutted out smog pumps to pass emission tests.  What a stupid waste of time
and effort.

"Gee, I'm going to take my time and gut this pump so that my truck will pass
the visual inspection, but I won't lose horsepower!"

Nevermind that if the pump WAS working, it would lower the emission levels
of his truck and make it EASIER to pass the test.  Hell, if you think it's
that much of a drag on your engine, take the working pump off the truck once
you pass the test!

Disclaimer:  I do not promote or endorse the removal, modification, or
tampering of mandated emission control components. (whew!) :)

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>introduce oxygen to the exhaust system, how much parasitic drag does it
>produce?  IE would there really be a performance gain (measurable) to
>disabling it? ....


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