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the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Wed, 04 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 277 In This Issue: Re: K & N vs the rest Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Re: Stiff steering update Re: K & N vs the rest Re: paper air filters Re: K & N vs the rest Won't start Steering stiffness solved Re: FT's and FE's- lots of ????s Pitman Arm Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Re: Pitman Arm Re: Pitman Arm Re: paper air filters Re: Pitman Arm Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Re: paper air filters Goin bye bye! Re: a cleaner air cleaner Re: K&N air filters (my opinion) emissions control Propane system Re: paper air filters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brazzadog aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:47:00 EDT Subject: Re: K & N vs the rest > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:42:29 -0500 > From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> > I'm being snotty. ITYS = I Told You So. The air filter article confirms my > contention that the K&N provides no significant benefit to the typical daily > driver. While I couldn't find the article on the website, I have come to the same conclusion based on other studies. I used to always change my filter every couple of years whether it needed it or not -- until I moved to the desert. Dust storms are so frequent that I went through paper filters every couple of months. I use stock replacement K&Ns now and am pretty happy with the economics. The thing that concerns me is whether or not all that easy breathing is letting in a bunch of dirt. I didn't think of that until I'd already invested in the filters. : ( I've never seen conclusive evidence that filtration doesn't suffer as a result of the increased air flow. I'm hoping K&N is smart enough not to shoot themselves (and me) in the foot. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: paper air filters On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, John LaGrone wrote: > > the amount of air they suck is *HUGE* compared to the amount your truck > > sucks. more, proportionally. > > Assuming this is not an insult, where does the air sucked in by the air > filter, but not the truck, go? I am confused. I think I didn't say that correctly--your truck (or anybody else's, unless they have a peterbuilt) doesn't suck as much air as a semi. or: gas engines use less air. both because they're smaller (displacement, and in the case of big rigs, *lots* smaller), and because of the size and number of cylinders (tend to have more stroke/bore and fewer cylinders on the no-pluggers), and because they combust and inhale their fuel differently (long topic). to summarize: gas engines use less air ;-). this is true when displacement is equal, but *really* noticeable if you were to compare, say a big cummings turbo to your 390. so they need bigger/better/more air filtering capabilities, which is why you see bigger filters on semis, and more than one. scott ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: paper air filters Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 05:58:25 -0400 o they need bigger/better/more air filtering capabilities, which is why > you see bigger filters on semis, and more than one. > > scott > > ============================================================= BUT if the paper filters are not as good as the other types why do semis use them instead of the other types gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 06:49:49 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: paper air filters Not being a diesel expert in any way, I hesitate to comment (not that it stops anyone else), but isn't the fuel-air feed process different for diesel fuel than for gasoline? I' suggesting and asking at the same time, since I really don't know for sure... ALso, I haven't been looking, but are K&N filters available for diesels? If they are, I bet they are pricey...The air box set-up for my D*r*ng* was just under $200, and that was with $50 knocked off because I'm such a good-looking guy... Also, who said we couldn't go on for days about sucking air... ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:54:19 GMT Subject: Re: Stiff steering update >You can get a Borgeson replacement shaft with a replaceable bearing for a >lot less than $800. > There's also the parts list for the Spicer stuff that Tony put together, that's the route I went and it works great ... though I think you could actually get 2 splined shafts if you can get a guy to cut the old one off nice and easy you'll find there are splined under there and you could slip that on just like the other side. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:54:58 GMT Subject: Re: K & N vs the rest >Just on weekends? =P > Good point, but the limits are higher on weekends when I'm on track with R-compound tires, so I can use more throttle :) Right CJ ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:03:19 GMT Subject: Re: paper air filters >On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, John LaGrone wrote: > >> > the amount of air they suck is *HUGE* compared to the amount your truck >> > sucks. more, proportionally. >> >> Assuming this is not an insult, where does the air sucked in by the air >> filter, but not the truck, go? I am confused. > >I think I didn't say that correctly--your truck (or anybody else's, unless >they have a peterbuilt) doesn't suck as much air as a semi. Uhm, I don't think PSD's use throttlebody's either ... its pretty much a gas vs. diesel thing ... > or: gas >engines use less air. both because they're smaller (displacement, and in >the case of big rigs, *lots* smaller), and because of the size and number >of cylinders (tend to have more stroke/bore and fewer cylinders on the >no-pluggers), Uhm ... am I the only one who is thinking DUH!!!! if the cylinders are smaller and there's the same number, then they'll displace less ... because isn't it Pi*bore*bore*stroke*no.cyls./4 that determines displacement ? So the size and number of cylinders has everything to do with the displacement ... > and because they combust and inhale their fuel differently >(long topic). Not really ... in a gas engine, to change the speed of the motor you control the air flow ... in a diesel you control the fuel flow. That means diesel's run with the equivalent of wide open throttle all the time ... this doesn't really mean they suck in more air necessarily, remember they're pulling fewer RPM's than most cars/trucks are (especially pre-overdrive trucks), so you'd have to factor that in as well ... along with the volumetric efficiency of the motor in question ... I'm sure I could sit down and figure it all out if you gave me some numbers, but in the end I think you'll see that really the need for more air comes from a bigger displacement and more power being put out, not a generalized gas vs. diesel argument ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: K & N vs the rest Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:13:27 -0500 hehe -----Original Message----- From: u00008 ford-trucks.net [mailto:u00008 ford-trucks.net]On Behalf Of
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Subject: [61-79-list] Re: K & N vs the rest >Just on weekends? =P > Good point, but the limits are higher on weekends when I'm on track with R-compound tires, so I can use more throttle :) Right CJ ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Won't start Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:13:15 -0500 OX writes in response to Eric's "No Start" dilemma: >>If you jump power straight to starter and it does not kick, it's bad or you have a bad ground. << Or a dead battery!!!! Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Steering stiffness solved Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:22:49 -0500 John writes: >>A half hour with oil and working in the vice and everything is as good as new (almost).<< Congratulations. Ain't this list great... Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:41:19 EDT Subject: Re: FT's and FE's- lots of ????s In a message dated 10/4/00 3:34:54 PM Central Daylight Time, kendrick mddc.com writes:
<< > 3) Can a 391(or 361) be used in a F-250? Would tranny compatibility be a > problem? Would there be any other problems with doing this? Mabye. If you can get the 13" or 14" clutch and bellhousing under the floor board of the F250, it'll work. The other option is to have the crank flange machined down to match that of an FE, so you can use an 11" or 12" clutch with a regular FE bellhousing and tranny. As far as I know, most of this info is correct, however, I have been wrong before!:-) >> I guess I didn't ask this part of my question correctly, but I think you gave me the answer I needed anyway. What I was really wanting to know was if a regular "pickup" transmission would bolt up to an FT, but I see from your post that it would not be a direct swap. I suppose that would means that without mods I would be limited to a sluggish, long-throw big truck tranny if I used an FT block.. that's bad. Thanks for your reply. I guess I'll just have to keep weighing the pros and cons. Nate ------------------------------ From: "Dave Emerick" <djemerick hotmail.com>
Subject: Pitman Arm Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:35:03 EST I'm in need of a pitman arm for a '78 F-250 4x4.....I've checked with Ford,NAPA,Autozone, etc,etc...with no luck. I've also checked with local scrapers...no luck. I give...any suggestions or suppliers still have this? Thanks Dave _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:48:47 EDT Subject: Re: paper air filters In a message dated 10/5/2000 6:50:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dpearson ctc.edu writes:
> Not being a diesel expert in any way, I hesitate to comment (not that it > stops anyone else), but isn't the fuel-air feed process different for > diesel fuel than for gasoline? I' suggesting and asking at the same > time, since I really don't know for sure... > If I get what your asking, then yes, because a diesel always has the same amount of air in the cylinder (with exception to boost amount) the only real change is fuel amount. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:49:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: paper air filters they're cheap? On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, G & J Boling wrote: > BUT if the paper filters are not as good as the other types why do semis use > them instead of the other types ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Pitman Arm Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:51:25 -0500 Dave is this what your looking for? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jcwhitney.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=59996 Jcwhitney always has something *shrugz* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Emerick" <djemerick hotmail.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Pitman Arm > I'm in need of a pitman arm for a '78 F-250 4x4.....I've checked with > Ford,NAPA,Autozone, etc,etc...with no luck. I've also checked with local > scrapers...no luck. > > I give...any suggestions or suppliers still have this? > > Thanks > > Dave > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://profiles.msn.com. > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:00:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pitman Arm Would one off a '78 Bronco work for you? I don't know but I think I have any extra out out next to my garage. Is the steering setup different with the front leaves vs. the front coil springs? Later, Eric Finn '78 Bronco "The Beast" (and lots of spare '78 parts laying around...) --- Dave Emerick <djemerick hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm in need of a pitman arm for a '78 F-250 4x4.....I've checked with > Ford,NAPA,Autozone, etc,etc...with no luck. I've also checked with > local > scrapers...no luck. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:17:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: paper air filters On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, wish wrote: > >I think I didn't say that correctly--your truck (or anybody else's, unless > > >they have a peterbuilt) doesn't suck as much air as a semi. > > Uhm, I don't think PSD's use throttlebody's either ... its pretty much a gas > vs. diesel thing ... sorry, I'll be *more* specific (or maybe less): I said peterbuilt as an example of a diesel. to restate: "your truck (unless you *actually* have a big diesel rig) doesn't suck as much air as a big diesel rig." > > or: gas > >engines use less air. both because they're smaller (displacement, and in > >the case of big rigs, *lots* smaller), and because of the size and number > >of cylinders (tend to have more stroke/bore and fewer cylinders on the > >no-pluggers), > > Uhm ... am I the only one who is thinking DUH!!!! if the cylinders are smaller > and there's the same number, then they'll displace less ... because isn't it > Pi*bore*bore*stroke*no.cyls./4 that determines displacement ? So the size and > number of cylinders has everything to do with the displacement ... read through it again, slower. for a given displacement, diesels use more air (for many of the reasons you said below). the reasons for this have to do with the bore/stroke dimensions of the cylinder itself, and the number of them, displacement held constant. a small bore, long stroke engine (let's assume a single cyl. to keep it simple for you) will generate a higher velocity of air flow through the port (and thus the runner, the carb, and eventually the filter), generally about .75 of the distance down the stroke. not a *huge* amount, but it's there. the displacement is the same, and the two cylinders are sucking through the same size port, but a curve of the speed through the port will show slower at either end and faster (higher) at the peak (for the long stroke, small bore engine). this higher speed tends to also generate a little more *volume* through the port as well (again, we're not talking massive amounts here, but it's there). I can break this down if you like, tonight. now, if you kept displacement the same, and number of cylinders the same, you'd get the long stroke engine sucking a little more air. make one engine have fewer cylinders and greater cyl. displacement (like a diesel would compared to, say, a ford v-10), and this difference gets more pronounced--the bigger cyl.s with even longer strokes suck more air again (I'll break this down tonight, too, if you want--kida pressed right now for time). now, make the diesel have a bigger displacement, and you get a *real* jump in volume. now let that diesel operate with a continuously open throttle body (like diesels do), with no restriction in the airflow and you get *another* jump. let that engine short circuit (I'll explain tonight) part of the air/fuel charge through the cylinder because of the way it draws it into the cylinder (again, like diesels do) and you get *more* air used. finally, let it use a different fuel (too much there for right now), and let it have a turbo. a billion molecules here, a billion there, and pretty soon we're talking about some real matter. > Not really ... in a gas engine, to change the speed of the motor you control > the air flow ... in a diesel you control the fuel flow. That means diesel's > run with the equivalent of wide open throttle all the time ... right. which was too much to blather with bed calling. sorry. scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:31:00 -0700 From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: Pitman Arm >Dave is this what your looking for? > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jcwhitney.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=59996 > >Jcwhitney always has something *shrugz* >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Emerick" <djemerick hotmail.com>
> >> I'm in need of a pitman arm for a '78 F-250 4x4.....I've checked with >> Ford,NAPA,Autozone, etc,etc...with no luck. I've also checked with local >> scrapers...no luck. >> >> I give...any suggestions or suppliers still have this? >> >> Thanks >> > > Dave That arm is for the F150 and down trucks. It might work if you had a 6" lift on the F-250 ;) The new issue of Four Wheeler there is a 78 F-250 that uses that arm and a crossover steering setup with the 78-F-250 steering box so it would fit on the shaft. Yu couldn't use it with the stock steering system without a ton of lift or the springs will be using the steering arm as a bump stop. If you want/need to have the stock arm, you are gona have to get lucky and be the first person to find a 78-9 in the junkyard or find someone who has a 78 steering arm(and steering box and steering shaft if he remembers correctly) sitting in the shed (over at the folk place) who has no real use for it(but happened to come across one in the junkyard) but if he was going to sell it he would want to get rid of the box and arm (because what good would just the box do without the arm) right? Now where could we find someone like that.......? <looking around innocently> -- Don Grossman duckdon mac.com
------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: paper air filters Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:34:01 -0500 The same reason new cars and trucks usually come with crappy tires om them. The two most important things a company considers for tires on a new car are cost and rolling resistance. Performance/ life expectancy does not seem to be much of an issue for normal cars. I don't really see how semis are so different, and how they determine what is a good product or not. A lot of race cars use K&N filters. COST is the only reason your semis aren't coming with K&N's on them. ---Garrett www.1966ford.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUT if the paper filters are not as good as the other types why do semis use them instead of the other types gordon ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:40:31 EDT Subject: Re: paper air filters In a message dated 10/5/2000 9:35:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, garrettnelson writeme.com writes:
> A lot of race cars use K&N filters and K&N's have also been outlawed in a lot of racing....... Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: paper air filters Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:43:47 -0500 I didn't know they have been outlawed? Don't they use them in nascar cars? -Don > In a message dated 10/5/2000 9:35:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > garrettnelson writeme.com writes:
> > > > A lot of race cars use K&N filters > > and K&N's have also been outlawed in a lot of racing....... > > Darrell & Tweety > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: paper air filters Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:46:15 -0700 Geez, can we go back to talking about Government conspiracies or something? This is wearin' me out... ;^) -----Original Message----- From: JUMPINFORD aol.com [mailto:JUMPINFORD aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:41 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: paper air filters In a message dated 10/5/2000 9:35:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, garrettnelson writeme.com writes:
> A lot of race cars use K&N filters and K&N's have also been outlawed in a lot of racing....... Darrell & Tweety ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Keith" <A2JKEITH GCI.NET>
Subject: Re: paper air filters Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:41:39 -0800 A lot of race cars use K&N filters. COST is the only reason your semis aren't coming with K&N's on them. --Garrett www.1966ford.com BUT if the paper filters are not as good as the other types why do semis use them instead of the other types gordon K&N air filters were first made like back in the time of the dinosaur (early mid 70's) for motorcycles. However if you have looked at the price of todays filters, one for a newer F250 say a 98-99 will cost you about $25 - $30 you look at the price on a K&N it will run about $70. You tell me how many air filters that is to make up for one K&N that if cared for properly will never have to be replaced, AND, filters out at least, 60% more junk then your plain jane every day common air filter. Also on the subject of the recharge kit, they make em now where all ya do is spray the cleaner on wait 15 min, wash, let air dry, spray the oil on, wait 15 min, and spray lightly again over any spots that you missed (Inside and outside). I think yall have heard enough from me today :) *steps of the soapbox* Keith 71 F250 4wd 81 Ford Courier ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:21:34 EDT Subject: Re: paper air filters In a message dated 10/5/00 9:43:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, don.thurlow greenbaynet.com writes:
<< I didn't know they have been outlawed? Don't they use them in nascar cars? >> I know they wont let the ammateur guys run em out at our track. And it is a Nascar owned track.... Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:25:53 EDT Subject: Goin bye bye! Well everyone, Have a good week. Im leaving in a few hours for the hunt in northern Nevada. Trucks are all packed, and hmm, they are all Fords! a 75 F-250 4x4, a 77 F-250 4x4, and a 99 F-350 dually 4x4, and even our trailer, which used to be a 73 F-100. Wish us luck, Be seein ya all in a week. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:52:10 -0700 > > Ok- I am fairly new to the list, and am intrigued by the > following statement: > > > ...we do discourage private party oil changes. We > > discourage private party anything.... > > Who is "we"? (the list?). Does this really mean I am being > discouraged from > performing my own oil changes and maintenance? Why? Sorry if I have > misinterpreted the message here or taken it out of context- > it wouldn't be the > first time. > -Randy > No, we as a list encourage you do everything yourself. We tend to be a fiercly independant lot who chafe severly whenever some pasty-faced,wants to look like Regan, whining yuppie robot says what we are doing is harmful to ___________ (children, the environment, cute puppies, etc.). Ask us for help and we'll fall all over ourselves to give you an informative and accurate answer. I believe the 'WE' referred to above was we as a society who voted in people who regulated our independence from foreign nationals away. You wanna do something about it, get informed and vote this Nov. Tom H. ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: K&N air filters (my opinion) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:52:09 -0700 > > > I installed a 14" x5" open element K&N filer on my 390. I did > notice a difference in throttle response when I put mine on. > And it does make the Holley 4 barrel sound really cool when > it opens up. I do believe it is a good product and actually > flows more air. I also believe it filters just as good, if > not better than a paper element if you take care of it. If it > were snake oil, would all the popular magazines such as Hot > Rod use and endorse it? > > ---Garrett www.1966ford.com > If K&N continues to by advertising space in their mags.....Yes! Sorry the cynic in me got the better of my typing hand. ;0) Tom H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:50:14 -0500 Subject: Re: K and N filters From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> I like em and have seen no negative side effects in over 200,000 combined > miles on my Fords and Mercs. Money wise, I feel I am ahead vs the price of > new paper elements every 5k. Now Stu has the right attitude. BTW Stu, the other day when I wrote that the V10 had no guts, that was someone else's comment that I was addressing. I have never operated a V10 equipped Ford, but I hope to some day. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:51:35 -0500 Subject: Re: The Muny Pit From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> Well, Rich, showed it to a GSM today > - he got me to take a much closer look at it - it's NOT mig wire - it's > square. (that's how small this thing is - probably .5mm dia. He says it's a > bearing or ring edge. Any ideas at all??? Sounds like an oil ring -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:06:29 -0500 Subject: Re: paper air filters From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
>> >I think I didn't say that correctly--your truck (or anybody else's, unless >> >> >they have a peterbuilt) doesn't suck as much air as a semi. Thanks. I understand now. >> Uhm, I don't think PSD's use throttlebody's either ... its pretty much a gas >> vs. diesel thing ... > > sorry, I'll be *more* specific (or maybe less): I said peterbuilt as an > example of a diesel. to restate: "your truck (unless you *actually* have > a big diesel rig) doesn't suck as much air as a big diesel rig." >gigantic snip< Also, every Diesel I have driven had a narrow preferred RPM range to run in. Except for starting up from a standstill, an over the road Diesel won't see the RPM range an F150 would see. You can calculate your air flow needs better. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:13:45 -0500 Subject: Re: paper air filters From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> one for a newer F250 say a 98-99 will cost you about $25 - $30 If I had a 98-99 F250, I wouldn't be on this list, now, would I? If I was spending $30 bucks a pop for an air filter, I might consider a K&N. All of the arguments/discussions have been good, but I stick by my original postulation: For the typical stock 61-79 F150 through F250 used as a daily driver on paved roads at legal speeds, the K&N offers no major advantage over regular replacement of paper elements. Those of you that are screaming cost savings aren't figuring in your own labor spent cleaning the K&N. I can replace my paper element in under a minute. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:39:43 -0600 From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: emissions control I took my recently purchased '79 f-250 supercab w/460 for an emissions inspection today (required for registration). Tuns out the smog pump and etc. have been removed- which is an automatic FAIL. Looks like I'll be calling the wrecking yards today. Not that I am unconcerned about the environment, but damn I hate these inspections. ------------------------------ From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Propane system Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:48:10 -0500 When I bought my '78 F150, it had a partial propane system installed-or some parts were missing. Iether way, I have the peice that sits on top of the carb and the peice that sits on the fender that all the hoses hook up to. A freind is interested in these parts, but I have no idea how much to ask for them. Any ideas? Jason Kendrick ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:59:28 GMT Subject: Re: paper air filters >ALso, I haven't been looking, but are K&N filters available for >diesels? If they are, I bet they are pricey...The air box set-up for my >D*r*ng* was just under $200, and that was with $50 knocked off because .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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