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61-79-list Digest Wed, 04 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 275

In This Issue:
Re: Hesitation
Suspension?
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Coil voltage
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
While we're talking about fuel tanks...
K & N vs the rest
Re: Suspension?
Re: Suspension?
Re: K & N vs the rest
Re: K & N vs the rest
Re: Suspension?
seal in a drum, should it be lubed?
Re: seal in a drum, should it be lubed?

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Hesitation
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:52:29 -0500

Azie.  I got the problem fixed already. But thanks anyways.  I found out it
was some leaky vacuum hoses *go figure* but thanks again

-Don Thurlow


>
> Don T. writes:  >>I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800.  It's got a 351M
in it but when i
> really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
> bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could
be
> the vacuum advance or timing.
> What do you guys think?<<
>
> I know I'm late, but I've been trying to put a diesel tractor back
together.
> I'd guess that it is either the accelerator pump or the vacuum advance on
the dist.
>
> With Ignition off:  Open choke on carb and look down the throat and work
the
> accelerator  like you were inside mashing it to the floor..  You should
see two very
> strong streams of raw gas being discharged into the venturi..If you only
see a
> few dribbles or a very weak stream, then that is your problem.
>
> With ignition off:  Remove distributor cap and hook an independent vacuum
source to
> the vacuum diaphram.  Slowly create vacuum and watch the plate rotate in
the dist.
> It should rotate and hold until you remove the vacuum source.  If it
doesn't then
> replace the diaphram.
>
>
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:58:30 -0500
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> <Naw. Like Ken said about the
> <wonder carbs, if it's so great, why aren't the <manufacturers licensing it?
>
> My cynical take would be $$; you get more money with people buying
> disposable filters at tune up time then with them only using it once. Plus
> cars are being made for the busy (lazy) individual who wants to drink a
> coffee, check the lap top while sitting in the quick lube. Otherwise we
> would have cleanable fine micron oil filters instead of filling the landfill
> sites with disposable ones. My view only.

Possibly a valid view, for sure an arguable stance. Except for the money.
It's true that businesses want your money, that's why they exist. I doubt
anyone analyzed disposable air filters  for their profit value during tune
ups and maintenance when they were decided upon for OEM installation. Repair
shops will adjust the required services to fit whatever their customers
need. If they don't, they go out of business. If everyone had filters that
would recycle, the shops would set a fee schedule for cleaning your filter
instead of replacing it. They have to adjust as the market changes.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:02:50 -0500
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> As to why nobody else is pedeling it? well I cant say. Maybe pattents, who
> knows. Im just saying that they worked well on teh small high reving cycle
> engines I used them on and were teh filters of choice really. But it's all
> what you want really.

I'm sure they do work well. AFAIK that was never under contention. A lot of
people are talking about dollars here and dollars there. I don't see the
economic advantage or the performance advantage for the typical daily
driver. The key phrase in my discussion is typical daily driver.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Suspension?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:15:03 -0500

Alright.  Like i said before i got a 1979 ford f-250
it's got leaf springs on all four corners.

How hard will it be for me to do a suspension lift on it?

-Don


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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:08:44 -0500
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> As far as people doing stupid things with their vehicles (or lawn
> mowers?), I don't see how that is relevant, at least as long I'm not
> stupid enough to do them...I wouldn't drain my oil on to the ground, but
> I've seen other people do it...Should we discourage private-party oil
> changes?  Come to think of it, maybe we do...

Beware of stupid people in large groups.

You are right Dennis, we do discourage private party oil changes. We
discourage private party anything. Can you say socialism?

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:12:26 -0500
Subject: Re: paper air filters
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> the amount of air they suck is *HUGE* compared to the amount your truck
> sucks.  more, proportionally.
>
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but also look at the size of those two filters.  The filtering area is
>> HUGE compared to the little filters we use in our trucks.
>>

Assuming this is not an insult, where does the air sucked in by the air
filter, but not the truck, go? I am confused.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:19:19 -0500
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Wow John, looks like you kicked the hornet's nest, fortunately its all pretty
> calm, but I never expected this many people to be runnin K&N's on this list

I've been good at that lately, haven't I? Actually, I'm not surprised to
find the numerous K&N users. The people on this list care about their trucks
and want the best for them.

>why aren't the manufacturers licensing it?
>In what sense ?  It is actually an FRPP/SVO/FMS/whateverythey'recalledthisweek
>part if you go into Ford ... so they've obviously "bought into" this as well.
> I think theirs might even use a cool blue element instead of the reddish oil

I stand corrected on this issue. I shall eat some humble pie warmed from the
seat of my asbestos undies. Let the temperature cool...

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Chris Dains" <cdains earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:51:45 -0700


Just to say I've been "lurking" as well.  I agree the K&N is worth the replacement for performance difference, but it comes with a fuel cost.  I run 2 cars with V-6's and K&N "ram air" cold induction kits and they flat out fly.  Both are custom jobs.  My 77 F250 runs just the K&N replacement filter and has increased gusto as well but it will suck down lots, and lots of fuel.  The engines sure do breath nice, but as we all know it's a fuel/air ratio.  So only logic says if your sucking in lots more air, your sucking in lots more fuel.  The gas station loves me on week-ends.  It increased my truck MPG by 2-4 unless I have a lead foot, and that I usually do.  Can't help it--have to weed out all those Chevy's on the road:)

Chris D.
Dallas, TX
77 F250 351M


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Coil voltage
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:33:43 -0500


Rich writes:>>Jeff Hansen's 78/79 F150 Mony Pit has a 429 with a rebuilt points type
dizzy.  He is getting 12 volts to the coil.  I am certain this voltage is
too high based on my experience with the "other brand". I am very familliar
with the ignition circuit for them.  Jeff told me that he was informed from
a Ford Guru that Fords' point type dizzy's run on 12 volts. (OK Gary,the
vehichles charging voltage,  lol )  I know 12 volts on a cheby is applied to
the coil only while turning over the motor to facilitate starting, mainly
in cold weather, then the primary coil voltage is routed thru the resistance
wire.  This prolongs the points life.  Is Ford different?  <<

Not that I'm aware of.  All the points type I am aware of should have approx 6V in run and
12V during cranking at the pos side of coil.  In the older vehicles no ballast resistor, as such
was used, but rather a resistive wire was used.  No reason you can't use a ballast from
M*PAR to do the job if the '78/'79 is not equipped with the resistive wire. .. They serve
the same purpose, and the coil ain't going to know which you are using.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:40:53 -0700

With all that "increased gusto", could it be that you tend to stick your
foot into it more often and that's what's lowering your mileage?

I ran a K&N on my old Celebrity.  Not for performance obviously, but for
economics.  The stock filter for that car was $10.  I paid $27 for a K&N for
it (about 5 years ago).  Didn't notice a power increase or mileage change
over the paper element.

Rich
77 E150
84 Continental

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dains [mailto:cdains earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:52 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: a cleaner air cleaner



Just to say I've been "lurking" as well.  I agree the K&N is worth the
replacement for performance difference, but it comes with a fuel cost.  I
run 2 cars with V-6's and K&N "ram air" cold induction kits and they flat
out fly.  Both are custom jobs.  My 77 F250 runs just the K&N replacement
filter and has increased gusto as well but it will suck down lots, and lots
of fuel.  The engines sure do breath nice, but as we all know it's a
fuel/air ratio.  So only logic says if your sucking in lots more air, your
sucking in lots more fuel.  The gas station loves me on week-ends.  It
increased my truck MPG by 2-4 unless I have a lead foot, and that I usually
do.  Can't help it--have to weed out all those Chevy's on the road:)

Chris D.
Dallas, TX
77 F250 351M

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From: "Paul Johnson" <pauljohn nortelnetworks.com>
Subject: While we're talking about fuel tanks...
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:48:14 -0500

Hey,

A couple of fuel tank related questions.  First, I have a 68 Camper Special,
and I need to replace the filler hose as the one that is on there is cracked
and leaking.  After the first quick look at it, it appears that the tank end
of the hose is not the easiest thing to get at.  Has anyone replaced one of
these before?  Do you need to drop the tank down to get to it?  Second, my
fuel guage is not very accurate.  That is, when the tank is full, the guage
only reads about 3/4.  Is the cause of the this more likely the guage itself
or the sender?  Third question (non-fuel tank related).  I just got a new
360 sticker for the top of the air cleaner (ordered from the web site!) and
I would like some confirmation on the placement of this.  Does it go on top
of the raised circular rib on top of the air cleaner or on the outside of
this ring (still on top).  If somebody with this stock sticker still in
place could have a look I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Paul

1968 Mercury 250 Camper Special
1970 Bronco
1991 Isuzu Impulse RS AWD
1988 Subaru Justy 4WD
1986 AMC Eagle Wagon 4WD



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From: "JOHN    HELLDORFER" <john96mom worldnet.att.net>
Subject: K & N vs the rest
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:55:28 -0700

I just have not come to grips with the price of a K&N vs the standard stuff.
YES there flow rate is higher BUT in some cases not that much, in my oinion
for the investment.

I have an `Air Cleaner test` results.  from www.musclecar.com  whole story
there

In Part>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  JANUARY 2000
Vol. 2 | No. 1

AIR FILTER SHOOT-OUT
Author: Pierre Lafontaine - Air Inlet Systems


RESULTS

JUMP TO:
(14x3" Results Chart)
(14x4" Results Chart)

The established performance brand of choice has quickly become K&N. They
claim a substantial flow advantage over paper. Our results show this to be
fairly accurate. The only filter to outperform the cotton gauze filters are
the Nascar qualifying filters by WIX Racing. Unfortunately, these Wix glass
fiber filters are very expensive and not washable. However we tested it to
obtain the highest possible flow value in each category. As the results
show, the K&N 14x3" and 14x4" are down only 25 cfm, flowing at 97% of the
Nascar filters. Nearly even are the AIS (Air Inlet Systems) prototype
versions of the same material.

We don't see the paper filters show up until about 91% of max flow. The Fram
14x3" flows a bit under 800 cfm. Interestingly, the AC Delco 14x4" (paper)
flows nearly the same as a 14x3" cotton gauze. Right on its tail are the two
foam filters at a hair over 90%. Now, this is where it gets interesting.
Paper filters range from 91% to 69% in airflow capacity. The Moroso paper
filter we paid $15.95 for did pretty good, as far as a paper filter is
concerned, came in second with about 90%. Then there are the middle of the
road paper filters, all pretty close, can't really choose a winner there.
Wix gets to open and close the list. These last models are designed for
extreme off road service with superior filtering efficiency, and not
intended for normal service.

Who claims what? When K&N tests at 0.3" H2O, using a standard, cylinder head
air flow conversion formula and extrapolates to 1.5", they may not be making
a correct assumption. We are dealing with a restrictive medium, not a free
flowing cylinder head port. They claim 50% greater flow with a K&N over
paper. Our results show this claim to be quite a bit off! Most paper filters
rated between 80 % and 90% of the cotton gauze types. Amsoil claims to
marginally outflow K&N but this could not be shown in our test. Both Accell
and Amsoil foam filters flowed about as a good as a premium paper filter,
around 90%, indicating that the foam filters are getting better.

Also note the swirl coefficient. The more turbulent it is at the entry to
the carb, the more venturi buffeting occurs, which can disturb atomization
of the fuel. The higher the number, the greater the turbulence. This factor
should be considered. It seems that the shorter filters create more. Another
aspect is using a filter that is big enough for the engine power levels. The
flow numbers listed are close to the established CFM requirement for
engines. It is easy to see that some combinations should be avoided. A slow
speed engine may not suffer so much with a restrictive filter but it could
cost as much as 20 hp on a high RPM race motor. The average 300-hp street
motor will stand to gain around 10 hp from the best to the worst.

In conclusion, the cotton gauze filters are the best flowing filters when
new. Being reusable, and with proper maintenance, it may be the last filter
your hot rod needs. Paper, if you are willing to replace it often, will flow
very close to cotton gauze. The foam filters are also reusable and probably
more resistant to washing damage. Foam will The foam is down 10% on airflow
capacity, which puts it about even with a quality paper filter. Priced at
about 2/3 for the same size in cotton gauze, it's a viable alternative. At
and average of $8 for a paper filter, $35 for a foam, and $50 for a cotton
filter, we are talking about potentially a 10-hp difference on a V8. From
the chart, you can tell if the filter you are using is big enough. With this
information on hand, you are better equipped to decide which filter is best
for you. F/M

Air Filter Flow Test
14" x 3" Round     Flow # 5" H2O % Flow Rating Swirl
Brand Part # Size Material
Wix 46945R 14x3 Glass 860 CFM 100% 119
K&N E-1650 14x3 Cotton 835 CFM 97.1% 126
AIS Cotton AF3C 14x3 Cotton 830 CFM 96.5% 121
AIS Cotton AF3C-2 14x3 Cotton/Synt 830 CFM 96.5% 130
FRAM FRM4 14x3 Paper 791 CFM 91.9% 128
Moroso 97080 14x3 Paper 776 CFM 90.2% 131
Amsoil 52 14x3 Foam 774 CFM 90% 140
Purolator APF74 14x3 Paper 736 CFM 85.6% 146
AIS AF3 14x3 Paper 724 CFM 84.1% 148
Wix 42095 14x3 Paper 721 CFM 83.8% 149
Wix 42095R 14x3 Paper 712 CFM 82.8% 143
Fram  CA136 14x3 Paper 710 CFM 82.6% 142
Edelbrock 1217 14x3 Paper 701 CFM 81.5% 154
NAPA/CompPol 22095 14x3 Paper 693 CFM 80.6% 155
Wix 42095 14x3 Paper 674 CFM 78.4% 163
Wix 46947R 14x3 Paper 595 CFM 69.2% 175

Air Filter Flow Test
14" x 4" Round       Flow # 5" H2O % Flow Rating Swirl
Brand Part # Size Material
Wix 46944R 14x4 Glass 907 CFM 100% 116
AIS Cotton AF4C 14x4 Cotton 883 CFM 97.4% 116
K&N E-1690 14x4 Cotton 882 CFM 97.2% 121
K&N 61-4020 14x4 Cotton 880 CFM 97% 120
AC Delco 697C 14x4 Paper 825 CFM 91% 132
Accel (dry) 70004 14x4 Foam 820 CFM 90.4% 120
Amsoil 25 14x4 Foam 820 CFM 90.4% 131
Motorcraft FA705 14x4 Paper 814 CFM 89.7% 131
Wix 42096 14x4 Paper 813 CFM 89.6% 132
AIS AF4 14x4 Paper 803 CFM 86.5% 138
Fram CA3492 14x4 Paper 796 CFM 87.8% 126
MotoMaster 2330090 14x4 Paper 788 CFM 86.9% 135
Wix 42096R 14x4 Paper 786 CFM 86.7% 136
Wix 46946R 14x4 Paper 683 CFM 75.3% 155

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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:07:36 -0400

Not that hard.  My 79 Bronco 9" suspension lift was my first big project at
the age of 17.  Did it all my myself with no need for a welder.  I'm not
positive, but I think leaves are easier to deal (with in the front), than
coils.  Just takes time, and the head to make sure everything is going
together right (and where it's suppose to).  Actually, the hardest part for
me (and you will probably see the same) is getting the old parts off.
Everything was rusted, and I probably broke 15% of the bolts (young gun who
was trying to get done fast!).  My dad would sometimes look at me in
disgrace with my greasy jeans, and broken bolts.  He's more of a
perfectionist, and that skips a generation (his dad was like me).

So yeah, if you have another car to drive for a bit, you'll be fine.  I
jacked mine up with the help of some railroad ties, and it was up there for
a week, working on it the days I didn't have to work and after school.  (so
not that many days in the week for me)

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[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Thurlow
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:15 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Suspension?


Alright.  Like i said before i got a 1979 ford f-250
it's got leaf springs on all four corners.

How hard will it be for me to do a suspension lift on it?

-Don

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:18:17 -0500

I do have a few friends that have put on suspension lift kits before, and i
have there skills/experience to help me.  I do work a full time job, but no
school for me. *not yet, gotta go to college sometime*  Does your Bronco
have leaf's on all the wheels?  If so what suspension lift kit did you use?
I know and I keep hearing that the leafs are a heck of a lot easier to work
with.  So now the only real question is how much do i want, what kit to use
and how much i wanna spend.


-Don
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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:07 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Suspension?


> Not that hard.  My 79 Bronco 9" suspension lift was my first big project
at
> the age of 17.  Did it all my myself with no need for a welder.  I'm not
> positive, but I think leaves are easier to deal (with in the front), than
> coils.  Just takes time, and the head to make sure everything is going
> together right (and where it's suppose to).  Actually, the hardest part
for
> me (and you will probably see the same) is getting the old parts off.
> Everything was rusted, and I probably broke 15% of the bolts (young gun
who
> was trying to get done fast!).  My dad would sometimes look at me in
> disgrace with my greasy jeans, and broken bolts.  He's more of a
> perfectionist, and that skips a generation (his dad was like me).
>
> So yeah, if you have another car to drive for a bit, you'll be fine.  I
> jacked mine up with the help of some railroad ties, and it was up there
for
> a week, working on it the days I didn't have to work and after school.
(so
> not that many days in the week for me)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Thurlow
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:15 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Suspension?
>
>
> Alright.  Like i said before i got a 1979 ford f-250
> it's got leaf springs on all four corners.
>
> How hard will it be for me to do a suspension lift on it?
>
> -Don
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:07:28 -0500
Subject: Re: While we're talking about fuel tanks...
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Second, my
> fuel guage is not very accurate.  That is, when the tank is full, the guage
> only reads about 3/4.  Is the cause of the this more likely the guage itself
> or the sender?

I'll take a stab at this question, Paul. What you describe is identical to
the way my front tank behaves. This makes me guess sender unit. It might be
that the float doesn't float so good any more.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:11:57 -0500
Subject: Re: K & N vs the rest
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I have an `Air Cleaner test` results.  from www.musclecar.com  whole story
> there

Thanks, John. To the list: ITYS.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: K & N vs the rest
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:27:07 -0700


Okay, I've never seen that one before: ITYS?
-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:12 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: K & N vs the rest


> I have an `Air Cleaner test` results.  from www.musclecar.com  whole story
> there

Thanks, John. To the list: ITYS.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: K & N vs the rest
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:28:17 -0500

I"ll agree with Rich here what's ITYS?
>
> Okay, I've never seen that one before: ITYS?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:12 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: K & N vs the rest
>
>
> > I have an `Air Cleaner test` results.  from www.musclecar.com  whole
story
> > there
>
> Thanks, John. To the list: ITYS.



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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:33:55 -0400

It seems that this should be fairly easy for you then.  My Bronco has the
coils, still.  I used the skyjacker suspension kit, but was a little
disappointed when I found the front end to be lower than the rear.  You have
to add a forth to that list:  How much time you have to allot.  If you have
another car, you should be fine.  Also, if you go high enough, you might
need to get another drive shaft.  And if you have a C6 you might also need
to notch out the tranny cross member in order for the front drive shaft to
fit.  (I'm not familiar with the F-250, so I could be completely wrong here)
I think mine cost around $800 for:  pitman arm, radius arm drop down
brackets, all new poly bushings, rear springs, front coils, adjustable
traction bar, rear leaf lifting blocks, and U bolts.

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Thurlow
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:18 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Suspension?


I do have a few friends that have put on suspension lift kits before, and i
have there skills/experience to help me.  I do work a full time job, but no
school for me. *not yet, gotta go to college sometime*  Does your Bronco
have leaf's on all the wheels?  If so what suspension lift kit did you use?
I know and I keep hearing that the leafs are a heck of a lot easier to work
with.  So now the only real question is how much do i want, what kit to use
and how much i wanna spend.


-Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:07 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Suspension?


> Not that hard.  My 79 Bronco 9" suspension lift was my first big project
at
> the age of 17.  Did it all my myself with no need for a welder.  I'm not
> positive, but I think leaves are easier to deal (with in the front), than
> coils.  Just takes time, and the head to make sure everything is going
> together right (and where it's suppose to).  Actually, the hardest part
for
> me (and you will probably see the same) is getting the old parts off.
> Everything was rusted, and I probably broke 15% of the bolts (young gun
who
> was trying to get done fast!).  My dad would sometimes look at me in
> disgrace with my greasy jeans, and broken bolts.  He's more of a
> perfectionist, and that skips a generation (his dad was like me).
>
> So yeah, if you have another car to drive for a bit, you'll be fine.  I
> jacked mine up with the help of some railroad ties, and it was up there
for
> a week, working on it the days I didn't have to work and after school.
(so
> not that many days in the week for me)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Thurlow
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:15 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Suspension?
>
>
> Alright.  Like i said before i got a 1979 ford f-250
> it's got leaf springs on all four corners.
>
> How hard will it be for me to do a suspension lift on it?
>
> -Don
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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: seal in a drum, should it be lubed?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:41:52 -0400

I went to the yard yesterday and found a nice "new" drum for my 14 bolt.
Everything should be in working order, but I have one question.  Should I
have lubed the rear seals that keep the gear oil from escaping into the
drum?


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: seal in a drum, should it be lubed?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:49:23 -0700

Yes, a thin layer of gear oil on the sealing surface is recommended.  (Just
like you should put a thin coat of oil on an oil filter seal)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob [mailto:xavetarx home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:42 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] seal in a drum, should it be lubed?


I went to the yard yesterday and found a nice "new" drum for my 14 bolt. ....


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