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61-79-list Digest Tue, 03 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 274

In This Issue:
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
351M performance parts, was Re: a cleaner air cleaner
K&N air filters (my opinion)
Re: FE Rocker Springs
FE Rocker Springs
paper air filters
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Re: paper air filters
Re: paper air filters
Truck for Sale
K&N filter
Frame Cleaned and Painted
COIL VOLTAGE
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Frame Cleaned and Painted
Re: paper air filters
Re: '68 gas tank replacement
Gas tank replacement
Re: COIL VOLTAGE
brake hoses
Re: COIL VOLTAGE
carb for 223 straight six
Re: COIL VOLTAGE
Re: Truck for Sale
FT's and FE's- lots of ????s
Re: Frame Cleaned and Painted
Re: COIL VOLTAGE
Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel filters
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Hesitation

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:36:27 EDT
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner

In a message dated 10/03/00 3:02:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
flash1 alltel.net writes:

<< from what i read some wheres the reason K&N filters flow more is because
they dont filter as much and let more dirt into the engine
gordon
 >>

My unscientific understanding is that that's true. They use the oil suspended
in the cloth/paper mesh to do the filtering. Thus the cleanability aspect of
them. In theory, the oil is what gets dirty, not the filter structure itself.
Ive used them on several cycles in the past. Worked very well on the dirt
bikes and even the street bikes I had. Never had an auto version but wouldn't
expect any different.
The point is, they must be used with the oil or the just don't filter worth
diddly.

George M in Fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:52:46 EDT
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner

In a message dated 10/03/00 4:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:

<< Well, duh, if I had one I'd put it on the ground or drive to wash it, too.
But how many people rush around and can't wait for it to quite dry and put
it on damp? What do you do in the winter? If you like it, great. It's just
one of those things I don't see the true advantage to.

Besides, I've seen people hosing off their engines at car washes, tilting
their lawnmowers up on its side and hosing it down, laying the hose down and
running water down the street because they are too lazy to walk two steps
and shut it off. Are you washing that oily gunk from the filter off onto the
ground? That's probably a violation of federal law plus you are putting oil
into the ground water.....Shall I rant on? Naw. Like Ken said about the
wonder carbs, if it's so great, why aren't the manufacturers licensing it?
 >>

If Im not mistaken (and like I mentioned earlier my not-soo-wise cycle days
were a while ago), teh oil K&N uses has or is a water soluable base. Now, I
would assume that the Feds know all about  K&N's system ans if they deamed it
a threat, they would of shut them down years ago, prior to the dawn of this
envirmentally friendly, governement invasive, save teh hootowls and damm the
humans, legislative cycle that we are in. In terms of oily goo washed down
the street, well, it's the dirt contained in teh filter oil and whatever the
oil itself is made of. Last I checked, most "Dino" oils were not water
soluable, so Im lead to believe it's composed of somthing else.

Seriously, I know of a number of filtering systems using a filter "oil"
agent. Most are water soluable and break down well in it. Compressed air aids
in teh drying cycle also.

As to why nobody else is pedeling it? well I cant say. Maybe pattents, who
knows. Im just saying that they worked well on teh small high reving cycle
engines I used them on and were teh filters of choice really. But it's all
what you want really.

George M in Fl.


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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:55:52 EDT
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner

In a message dated 10/03/00 5:52:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jwebster tnt21.com writes:

<< My cynical take would be $$; you get more money with people buying
disposable filters at tune up time then with them only using it once. Plus
cars are being made for the busy (lazy) individual who wants to drink a
coffee, check the lap top while sitting in the quick lube. Otherwise we
would have cleanable fine micron oil filters instead of filling the landfill
sites with disposable ones. My view only.
 >>

Isnt that basically what happened toteh old oil bath cleaners of yesteryear?
Restrictive yes, but the air dont get any cleaner. Actually, I'd kinda like
to have one on my 400. Would have to recycle that old dirty oil goo also.

George M in Fl.

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From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:15:41 -0600
Subject: 351M performance parts, was Re: a cleaner air cleaner

>From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
>
>I wonder then.  Does anyone know any performance
>parts for the 351M? Besides putting a 4barrel on it?

Yo Don:

All the 351C 2V valvetrain parts (except pushrods) will fit in the 351M, timing
sets, camshaft, rocker arms, and valve gear.  You can improve the 351M's
performance with a better camshaft.  Aftermarket timing sets allow you to
advance the factory cam to eliminate the factory cam timing retard.

Edelbrock and Weiand both make EGR and non-EGR intake manifolds for the 351M/400
(M-block) family of engines.  These manifolds allow you to use any standard
square-bore 4V carburetor.

Several companies make headers for the M-block engines.  Since the M-block head
design is almost identical to the 351C 2V head, any header made for the 351C 2V
head will bolt up to the M-block head (but might not fit in your truck).

The only performance part specifically made for the 351M engine is the TRW
#L2466F forged piston.  It raises the stock 8.0:1 compression ratio to
approximately 8.6:1.  The main problem w/ the 351M is low compression and an
oddball unique piston design that doesn't interchange w/ anything else.

To really improve performance, the best thing is to rebuild the engine as a 400
(different crankshaft and pistons).  In the 400, you can use almost any 351C
piston to get the compression ratio you want (just bush the rods to accept the
smaller floating pins in the 351C pistons), or you can get direct replacement
inexpensive cast pistons to give you 9.0:1 CR.  Once you get the compression
ratio up, all the other goodies (cam, carb, headers) will help that engine make
serious power.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: K&N air filters (my opinion)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:55:18 -0500


I installed a 14" x5" open element K&N filer on my 390. I did notice a difference in throttle response when I put mine on. And it does make the Holley 4 barrel sound really cool when it opens up. I do believe it is a good product and actually flows more air. I also believe it filters just as good, if not better than a paper element if you take care of it. If it were snake oil, would all the popular magazines such as Hot Rod use and endorse it?

---Garrett www.1966ford.com


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: FE Rocker Springs
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:57:10 -0500


I have never heard of that before, and don't know how it would hold up. It sounds like a good idea though. Maybe you could call PAW and see what they have to say about them. I really should get a PAW catalog myself. Do they have a website?

---Garrett www.1966ford.com
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Dave Emerick
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:15 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] FE Rocker Springs


 I'm in the ongoing, current redo of my 390....the heads have been taken in
 for machine work, and I want some opinions.  The rocker shaft springs are
 looking pretty thin on the ends where the rockers rub, and I'd like to
 replace.  I see in my P.A.W. catalog, that they sell aluminum tube
 seperators to replace these springs.  Anybody ever used these...I realize
 they're nothing more than glorified aluminum tubing cut to length, but
 wanted to how they would hold up in a daily driven truck vs. buying new
 springs.

 I checked at my local parts stores, and price wise, they're about the same
 as springs....

 Dave

 P.S. - Went to the 4 Wheel Jamboree this past weekend in Indianapolis.  If
 your anywhere near Indy...check it out next year....took the family, and we
 all enjoyed ourselves.  Lots of nifty Ford trucks.....for example...walked
 by a '70-71 F250 4x4 with a 428 CJ...very nice...
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject:  FE Rocker Springs
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:17:12 -0400

i have a friend who has building and racing F/Es for many years he says why
use the new stuff when the old has been so reliable for all this time
he also builds 427s to and still uses the springs on them that are putting
out 600+ horses the only mod he does recommend on the rockers is adjustable
rocker arms for them with solid lifters
gordon



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: paper air filters
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:25:46 -0400

i know on the semi trucks we use dual air filters on most all of them and
change them just about 1 once a year unless the air restriction gauge shows
a high reading and these engines really require ALLOT of air to keep em
running
and we still use the paper cartriges only i havent seen a oil bath one for
them in many years
so the paper filters must do a pretty good job really i think otherwise they
would be using the oil bath filters on them as well to save maintence costs
gordon



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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:22:48 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner

I've been doing a lot of lurking lately, but this requires a response.
I have recently installed K&N filters on both my 1962 Unibody w/351C and
my 2000 Durango.  I haven't had the filter in my truck long enough to
really notice the difference, but, baby, that Durango flat out flies.
Immediately after I installed it, I took a long trip (about 1300 miles
round trip).  I can feel and hear the difference in acceleration and top
end (I don't know how fast--the speedometer only goes to 120). I haven't
noted any increase in mpg on the road (I wonder why!), but around town
I've gone from 10-11 mpg to 13-14 mpg (on average over several tanks).
The Unibody already has so much get-up-and-go it's hard to tell how much
the K&N helped, and mileage...?  No idea...Don't want to know...

My point is (and I know this is not a Mopar list--sorry) that I will
never consider K&N filters "snake oil."  Your engine needs air as well
as fuel.  You can't increase the fuel unless you increase the air...For
as long as I have known that, I have done anything I could to increase
the air input, and it has always helped...On anything from a 4-banger to
a big block V-8...

John LaGrone wrote:

> Talk about snake oil....Asbestos undies securely in place. A typical street
> machine doesn't need this filter. A rock crawler, a racer, Tweety in the
> desert, I can see. A daily driver on a freeway...save your money. Throw the
> dirt away, all of the dirt. Air filter elements don't cost that much.
>
> I know: that wasn't Clare's question. I can see the blood boiling now....

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:35:58 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner



John LaGrone wrote:



the
>  Naw. Like Ken said about the
> wonder carbs, if it's so great, why aren't the manufacturers licensing it?

One word...$$$$$$$$ (Try pronouncing that!)

I got mine from a New Car Parts Dept.  with their blessing (and
encouragement) and assurance in writing that it in no way affects the
warranty...

As far as people doing stupid things with their vehicles (or lawn
mowers?), I don't see how that is relevant, at least as long I'm not
stupid enough to do them...I wouldn't drain my oil on to the ground, but
I've seen other people do it...Should we discourage private-party oil
changes?  Come to think of it, maybe we do...

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:43:21 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: paper air filters




> so the paper filters must do a pretty good job really i think otherwise they
> would be using the oil bath filters on them as well to save maintence costs
> gordon


For the sake of accuracy, the K&N is NOT an oil bath filter.

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From: "Radoje Spasojevic" <rspasoje mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: paper air filters
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:08:25 -0700

Yeah, but also look at the size of those two filters.  The filtering area is
HUGE compared to the little filters we use in our trucks.

Radoje Spasojevic
"Nerves of Steel, Brains of Chipmunk"
'90XLT-351W-AOD-BW1356-Dana44-Ford8.8(Lockright)-3.55
'83Custom-300-Clark4spd-NP208-Dana44-Ford8.8"-3.08
'76F-250 Crew Cab-390FE-NP435-NP205-Dana 60-Dana 60-4.10
'87Eddie Bauer-No engine-No tranny-No t-case-No axles-No front clip
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.2bigbroncos.org
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From: G & J Boling <flash1 alltel.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] paper air filters


>i know on the semi trucks we use dual air filters on most all of them and
>change them just about 1 once a year unless the air restriction gauge shows
>a high reading and these engines really require ALLOT of air to keep em
>running
>and we still use the paper cartriges only i havent seen a oil bath one for
>them in many years
>so the paper filters must do a pretty good job really i think otherwise
they
>would be using the oil bath filters on them as well to save maintence costs
>gordon
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:25:20 -0700
From: John <thelord home.com>
Subject: Truck for Sale



A neighbor of mine has decided to sell his 1967 Mercury 3/4 ton Crew Cab
Shortbox. Original 352 Cu, Auto, It has a bit of rust and after priming it he
misplaced the emblems for the hood and sides.
He said he will take any fair offer. and hasnt listed it for sale anywhere.
Does antone have any idea what a fair price is, or is anyone interested.

It is located in Victoria, BC. Canada.


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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:27:09 -0700
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: K&N filter

I have had a K&N air filter on my 76 for many years and I am very
pleased with it.I have a open element air cleaner and after getting the
paper element soaked while driving in a downpour I bought the K&N.The
oil in a K&N repels
water very well.
 I wash mine in Tide (has to be good,it has a Ford race car on the box)
and a little bleach.I then rinse it out and let it air dry,and spray it
with K&N oil.
I feel the Tide/bleach combo works even better than the K&N cleaning
kit,
my filter looks brand new after cleaning.

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From: "Christopher Worley" <cworley76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Frame Cleaned and Painted
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:42:49 GMT

I finished cleaning and painting my frame finally!!! I posted the picks of
the finished product on my web page if anyone is interested.  Thanks for all
the advice.  http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cworley.highspeedzone.com


Chris Worley 67 F100 - slowly going together
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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: COIL VOLTAGE
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:23:11 -0400

List

Jeff Hansen's 78/79 F150 Mony Pit has a 429 with a rebuilt points type
dizzy.  He is getting 12 volts to the coil.  I am certain this voltage is
too high based on my experience with the "other brand". I am very familliar
with the ignition circuit for them.  Jeff told me that he was informed from
a Ford Guru that Fords' point type dizzy's run on 12 volts. (OK Gary,the
vehichles charging voltage,  lol )  I know 12 volts on a cheby is applied to
the coil only while turning over the motor to facilitate starting, mainly
in cold weather, then the primary coil voltage is routed thru the resistance
wire.  This prolongs the points life.  Is Ford different?  I wouldn't think
so.  If I'm right, what size Ballast Resistor should be used?  I could
figure this out utilizing Ohms law but I want the easy answer. :)  My 76
Ford Manual doesnt help me with this problem. :)  If I'm wrong, well...I
quit counting.

Thank's guy's\Gal's

Rich


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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:44:26 -0400

Dennis writes:

that Durango flat out flies.
I can feel and hear the difference in acceleration and top
> end (I don't know how fast--the speedometer only goes to 120).

WOW ! I dont think I want my 76 F250 to go that fast.  Think I'll forgo the
K&N and stay with my stock Motorcraft air filter.

Pun intended, I have no asbestos undies to wear. :)

Rich


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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:27:14 EDT
Subject:  Frame Cleaned and Painted

"Nice Job" on the frame Chris.

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:34:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: paper air filters

the amount of air they suck is *HUGE* compared to the amount your truck
sucks.  more, proportionally.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Radoje Spasojevic wrote:

> Yeah, but also look at the size of those two filters.  The filtering area is
> HUGE compared to the little filters we use in our trucks.
>
> Radoje Spasojevic
> "Nerves of Steel, Brains of Chipmunk"
> '90XLT-351W-AOD-BW1356-Dana44-Ford8.8(Lockright)-3.55
> '83Custom-300-Clark4spd-NP208-Dana44-Ford8.8"-3.08
> '76F-250 Crew Cab-390FE-NP435-NP205-Dana 60-Dana 60-4.10
> '87Eddie Bauer-No engine-No tranny-No t-case-No axles-No front clip
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.2bigbroncos.org
> --Rubicon tested--
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> From: G & J Boling <flash1 alltel.net>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:18 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] paper air filters
>
>
> >i know on the semi trucks we use dual air filters on most all of them and
> >change them just about 1 once a year unless the air restriction gauge shows
> >a high reading and these engines really require ALLOT of air to keep em
> >running
> >and we still use the paper cartriges only i havent seen a oil bath one for
> >them in many years
> >so the paper filters must do a pretty good job really i think otherwise
> they
> >would be using the oil bath filters on them as well to save maintence costs
> >gordon
> >
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From: "Doug Neely" <Doug_Neely telus.net>
Subject: Re: '68 gas tank replacement
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:59:22 -0700

.  Any one done this and if so what tank did you use?  Along the same lines,
is there a book or site for parts interchange for the Ford pickups?
>
Why not use the aux tank from a Camper Special? Then you could get the
filler tube, cover, and gommet, the tank will have a Ford sending unit for
the gauge as well. You have to re-route the gauge wire through the firewall
and extend it and drill a hole in the side of the box for the filler tube. I
used one from a 69 Camper Special.

                                                      Cheers,
                                                                  Doug
ps Iz z% isn't made by FORD




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From: "Doug Neely" <Doug_Neely telus.net>
Subject: Gas tank replacement
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:08:40 -0700

Oops
Forgot the fuel line, need to change it too.
                                             Cheers,
                                                         Doug




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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:15:54 EDT
Subject: Re: COIL VOLTAGE

If the points are open and you measure voltage at the coil you will find 12
volts because there is no current flow and the resistor will not lower the
voltage.  If you get 12 volts with the points closed, then I promise the
points will not last very long.  And it would seem the resistor is not in the
circuit.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "Don Jones" <twistedhand hotmail.com>
Subject: brake hoses
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:30:36 GMT

>>Any help on this problem will be greatly appreciated.  I need need new
>>brake
>>hoses on the front of my 1972 F-250 4x4.  Sounds simple, but it is not, I


I got a set for my truck (1970 f-250 4x4) that should be the same as yours.

They are Raybestoes  Part # BH36531

Don Jones
1970 F-250 4x4 ~Fordzillla~
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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: COIL VOLTAGE
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:08:58 -0400


> If the points are open and you measure voltage at the coil you will find
12
> volts because there is no current flow and the resistor will not lower the
> voltage.  If you get 12 volts with the points closed, then I promise the
> points will not last very long.  And it would seem the resistor is not in
the
> circuit.

Bill

He has the later model wiring harness with all the electronics bypassed,
with a point's type dizzy installed.  With the points open, he has
charging\batt voltage.  So, are you saying  he needs a Ballast Resisitor?
What size?

Thanks

Rich


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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:12:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: David Law <dxlaw sdf.lonestar.org>
Subject: carb for 223 straight six




I'm looking into replacing the carburetor in a '63 F-100 with a 223
straight six engine. Anyone have any suggestions about what carb to use as
a replacement?

-dl



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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: COIL VOLTAGE
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:17:08 -0400

Burt, I called you "Bill" by mistake.  I apologize.  You can call me by my
"Other" name.  My nickname for Richard if ya want.
SWMBO does it all the time.
FTE content: She only calls me that when I'm 4 wheelin in the 76 F250
without her :)

> If the points are open and you measure voltage at the coil you will find
12
> volts because there is no current flow and the resistor will not lower the
> voltage.  If you get 12 volts with the points closed, then I promise the
> points will not last very long.  And it would seem the resistor is not in
the
> circuit.
> Burt Hill


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From: "Doug Neely" <Doug_Neely telus.net>
Subject: Re: Truck for Sale
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:58:48 -0700

Where is it located, address, or phone # I'm  in Sooke, like to see it.
                                                                 Cheers,

Doug



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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:01:31 EDT
Subject: FT's and FE's- lots of ????s

I know virtually ZERO about these engines, except that the "F" definitely
stands for "Ford."  Beyond that point I will not venture  :)  That having
been said I'm sure you'll understand if this is a ridiculous question.

My father has a good, running 361.  My question is 3 parts:

1) Is it possible to make a 361 a 391?  I understand that a 360 and 390
differ only in the length of stroke and that a 390 crank in a 360 block makes
a 390 , with piston and rod swaps of course(correct?).  Does the same apply
to the FT's?  IOW, do 391 guts make a 361 a 391?

2) what are the differences in these parts between the FT and FE series
motors?  does a 360 and 361 share the same crank, etc, and likewise do the
390 and 391?  What I'm getting at is this: how hard would it be to find the
crank, rods and pistons for a 391 to do the conversion?

3) Can a 391(or 361) be used in a F-250?  Would tranny compatibility be a
problem?  Would there be any other problems with doing this?

We've been toying with the idea of doing SOMETHING with the 361, but we're
not sure what we can do with it.  Any advice/help is greatly apreciated.
Thanks!

Nate

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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Frame Cleaned and Painted
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:03:06 -0500


That looks really nice!

---Garrett www.1966ford.com

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Christopher Worley
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:42 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Frame Cleaned and Painted


 I finished cleaning and painting my frame finally!!! I posted the picks of
 the finished product on my web page if anyone is interested.  Thanks for all
 the advice.  http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cworley.highspeedzone.com


 Chris Worley 67 F100 - slowly going together



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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: COIL VOLTAGE
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:47:45 -0400

 If you get 12 volts with the points closed, then I promise the
> > points will not last very long.  And it would seem the resistor is not
in
> the
circuit.

Yes, with the points CLOSED!

Thank you for the correction Burt!

Thanks

Rich



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From: L7514 aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:39:50 EDT
Subject: Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel filters

I usually just buy my fuel filters for my powerstroke at Advance Auto or
Discount Auto.  Just be sure to check in the box & make sure they put the
right filter in the right box.  I hate additional wasted trips to the parts
store.
Lance
95 F-350
79 Ranger
74 Custom

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:33:37 GMT
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner

Wow John, looks like you kicked the hornet's nest, fortunately its all pretty
calm, but I never expected this many people to be runnin K&N's on this list
...

>But how many people rush around and can't wait for it to quite dry and put

>it on damp? What do you do in the winter?

Well since the car has the first K&N I bought on it, winter wasn't a problem,
it sits through the whole thing.  You're also only supposed to clean them a
few times, every 10K miles or whatever (I drive the truck barely that every
year now, so winter isn't a problem).  Also the compressed air is frowned upon
for drying because it can rip the cotton material inside if you're not careful.
Its not really a big thing though, I realize not everyone's got patience to
wait for it to dry, but if you pull it out, wash it up (in the sink in the basement
thankyouverymuch), and then let it sit while you're changing the oil ... it
should be dry by the time you're done ...

> Like Ken said about the
>wonder carbs, if it's so great, why aren't the manufacturers licensing it?

>

In what sense ?  It is actually an FRPP/SVO/FMS/whateverythey'recalledthisweek
part if you go into Ford ... so they've obviously "bought into" this as well.
I think theirs might even use a cool blue element instead of the reddish oil
:)
Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:36:53 GMT
Subject: Re: a cleaner air cleaner

>Isnt that basically what happened toteh old oil bath cleaners of yesteryear?

>Restrictive yes, but the air dont get any cleaner.

Actually it does get cleaner, if I remember right its like 90% filtration versus
80% filtration, or something like that (I've got the numbers at home if someone's
really interested).  But the restriction and the time I think was the big thing
... how many people really changed that oil-bath oil ?  Also if you can pick
up 5hp by putting a paper element in and save someone 20min of labor when they
go to change it, back in the musclecar wars, that would've been a great thing
...

Anyone remember Mt. St. Helens ?  They had problems with the "new" (at the time)
bobcats moving all the ash, they'd just die suddenly, turned out those paper
filters were clogging up and not letting any air into the motor at all ... the
"old" ones were still runnin oilbath, the ash sat on top and the air still percolated
through ... that's the story from my Tractor Power professor anyway, maybe someone
out in WA can confirm or deny it ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Hesitation
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:34:59 -0500


Don T. writes:  >>I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800.  It's got a 351M in it but when i
really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be
the vacuum advance or timing.
What do you guys think?<<

I know I'm late, but I've been trying to put a diesel tractor back together.
I'd guess that it is either the accelerator pump or the vacuum advance on the dist.

With Ignition off:  Open choke on carb and look down the throat and work the
accelerator  like you were inside mashing it to the floor..  You should see two very ....


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