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61-79-list Digest Mon, 02 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 271

In This Issue:
Re: sloppy steering
Re: 351W project
Coates Heads
Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco
Re: Ford V10
Re: 300 PCV question
Re: Dual Exhaust
Amazing!
hesitation
33's
Re: hesitation
66 dash pad
Rag Joint
Re: Ford V10
Re: hesitation
Re: 66 dash pad
Re: hesitation
Re: hesitation
Re: 33's
Re: Ford V10
Re: 33's
Re: hesitation/ Now what is spark knock.
Re: 33's
Re: Ford V10
Re: 33's
Sloppy steering
Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS
slick 50... why?
The Muny Pit

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:08:26 GMT
Subject: Re: sloppy steering

>Yes but the universal ones only have one large lug which is what the 2wd's
>use but 4x4's need the dual heavy lug type.  You can buy two universal kits

>and use the heavy lugs of each or look for one made for 4x4's

Actually there are 2 kits out there, the one I got had the lugs just like I
needed them, though it didn't look that way til I read the instructions ...
its amazing how much those can help ... anyway when converting mine to 78 style
I put the rag joint in .. its much easier (and cheaper) to find and replace
than that stupid CV joint or whatever it is at the end of the assist style of
power steering ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:12:29 GMT
Subject: Re: 351W project

>So that's what I will be doing over the next year, so what does
>everyone think? Will my plan for output work? Will it be a reliable
>worker? Any comments, suggestions & questions will be a great help.


Uhm, wow, that's a pretty lofty goal, but then you gotta set the bar higher
right ?  :)   I'm not sure what you'll end up with for an actual displacement
and power output, but the whole idea is there ... talk with the cam manufacturers
and such, I think you can probably find one to do almost all of the stuff you're
looking for ... a switch to a roller cam would require another couple bucks
maybe, but the extra performance and mileage you can pick up might be worth
the added cost to meet your needs ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Coates Heads
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:05:35 -0500


Dwight C writes:  >>Azie, here is the site, I bookmarked it.<<

Thank you very much...  I also bookmarked it this time.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:14:30 GMT
Subject: Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco

>I've taken it apart and found the drum is saturated with gear oil.


I would suspect axle seals of some sort, but what about the brakes ?  I mean
I know you said gear oil, but sometimes a little brake fluid and some brake
dust, factor in some heat and its hard to recognize ... I'd start by being sure
the wheel cylinders weren't leaking ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:18:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Ford V10

>What you'll see with this motor is it will do everything you
>want it too, but it doesn't supply any of the felt horsepower other motor

>have.

I think this is the problem a lot of people have with the new modular motor's,
they don't FEEL like they're working, or like the old motors 'cause they don't
have that kick in the butt feel that you expect from a V8.  I know when the
new Cobra's came out with their DOHC motor's a lot of guys said they were slower
than the venerable 5.0L 'stangs ... but everytime they went to the track the
new motor would come out on top ...

My car's not exactly stock anymore, so its nice to actually HEAR the exhaust
and you can tell what's going on with it ... one of my friends drove it while
I nursed a parts car home.  He hated it (sort of) ... he loved the acceleration
and everything, but he had no idea where to shift it!  The torque and power
is smooth enough that there was no feel (to him anyway) about where to shift
to maximize power or efficiency, where the older motors had more defined curves
and you could feel them slack off their pull a bit and just know when to shift
it ... don't know if that's very clear, but if you've driven a lot, you probably
have an idea what I'm talkin about...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:24:16 GMT
Subject: Re: 300 PCV question

>There is no real differnce between the two systems, they both use ambient
>air pressure at the inlet and PVC at the out let to the crank case.

I guess I didn't say that quite right ... I meant they changed the air filter
housing's to accept the smaller filter inside and draw air through that, it
wasn't a system change, just an implementation change :)


>On most old engines this little filter is full of oil due to blow by over
>powering the PVC system and oil backing up through the inlet hose to the

Seems like this was responsible for more than a couple of engine fires ... a
good reason to always check it ...
Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:25:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

>Fortunately you can buy a system from Hooker for $129.95 from
>PAW page 1078 1998 catalog(orange color).  They have both
>manifold back Hooker PN 16661 and header back 16561.  Both pipes
>run down the right side of the truck.
>
>I have the same setup on my 1979 F150 2WD w/glasspacks and it is
>great

Hey does anyone have pics of this system ?  I'm afraid to admit I don't have
a PAW catalog, nor do I know anyone who does ... if anyone has a pic of the
system or a scan of the page I'd really appreciate it ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 08:32:25 -0600
From: Harry Vermillion <north40 verinet.com>
Subject: Amazing!

Hey,

   I was between machines and doin' some other things for a week or so,
but when I got back online and downloaded the mail and this list, I went
through the stuff pertaining to Dawn Chere.  You guys should be
teaching.  I know distance has something to do with it, but what
patience.  I sort of wish this technology was around when I started
wrenching, I would have learned more without doing things twice or three
times, then again, maybe I needed the practice.

   There should be more lists like this - many more.

--
Harry E. Vermillion
E-mail:    north40 verinet.com



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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:33:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Ford V10
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> It will just about be the smoothest
> running engine you've ever seen, but oddly it sounds like a Honda.

Darrell,

What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10? I'll bet that's why it
sounds like a honda. Small bore, lower displacement per cylinder, littler
explosions, better fuel economy, less power, etc.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: hesitation
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:45:28 -0500

Hey guys.
I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800.  It's got a 351M in it but when i
really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be
the vacuum advance or timing.
What do you guys think?



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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: 33's
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:59:03 -0500


Hey does anyone know of a good tire that comes in 16.5 and are 33's?

Thanks

-Don Thurlow


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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:02:39 -0500
Subject: Re: hesitation
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800.  It's got a 351M in it but when i
> really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
> bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be
> the vacuum advance or timing.
> What do you guys think?

Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:26:35 -0700

I agree...

-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:03 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hesitation


> I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800.  It's got a 351M in it but when i
> really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
> bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could
be
> the vacuum advance or timing.
> What do you guys think?

Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 08:38:39 -0700
From: Brian Koss <bkoss mail.arc.nasa.gov>
Subject: 66 dash pad

It is possible to remove the dash pad with out destroying it. It is much
easier with the windshield removed. You need to work it off with a thin
piece of sheet metal. The dash pad is glued to the dash with rubber contact
cement. It would probably come off pretty easy if the dash was heated with
a heat gun or hair drier from below. I have not been able to try these
methods The three dash pads I have removed were in the junk yard.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Rag Joint
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:30:47 -0500


Robertt Y writes:  >>I believe my 1978 has this type of steering connection. The joint
described  above is horribly loose. I'm wondering what it takes to fix this problem.
Can the intermediate material simply be replaced, <<

Try your local AutoZone or NAPA or whatever you prefer.  Very common. low $,  piece.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: Ford V10
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:44:20 -0500

Yup, I know exactly what you mean, I drove a Mustang with that 4.6L and
5-spd. Lot of difference between that and my pickup with a 240 and 3-spd =P.

-----Original Message-----
From: u00008 ford-trucks.net [mailto:u00008 ford-trucks.net]On Behalf Of
wish
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:19 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ford V10


>What you'll see with this motor is it will do everything you
>want it too, but it doesn't supply any of the felt horsepower other motor

>have.

I think this is the problem a lot of people have with the new modular
motor's,
they don't FEEL like they're working, or like the old motors 'cause they
don't
have that kick in the butt feel that you expect from a V8.  I know when the
new Cobra's came out with their DOHC motor's a lot of guys said they were
slower
than the venerable 5.0L 'stangs ... but everytime they went to the track the
new motor would come out on top ...

My car's not exactly stock anymore, so its nice to actually HEAR the exhaust
and you can tell what's going on with it ... one of my friends drove it
while
I nursed a parts car home.  He hated it (sort of) ... he loved the
acceleration
and everything, but he had no idea where to shift it!  The torque and power
is smooth enough that there was no feel (to him anyway) about where to shift
to maximize power or efficiency, where the older motors had more defined
curves
and you could feel them slack off their pull a bit and just know when to
shift
it ... don't know if that's very clear, but if you've driven a lot, you
probably
have an idea what I'm talkin about...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:04:25 -0500




> > I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800.  It's got a 351M in it but when
i
> > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
> > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it
could be
> > the vacuum advance or timing.
> > What do you guys think?
>
> Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel
So you think the power valve? Ok. I think the 2 barrel wasn't a holley
though.  There is a holley carb on the motor.  I don't think the guy i got
it from upgraded it. but i could be wrong.


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: 66 dash pad
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:26:05 -0500


Thanks for the advice. I do already have the windshield out, so it shouldn't be too hard.

---Garrett www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Brian Koss
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:38 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] 66 dash pad


 It is possible to remove the dash pad with out destroying it. It is much
 easier with the windshield removed. You need to work it off with a thin
 piece of sheet metal. The dash pad is glued to the dash with rubber contact
 cement. It would probably come off pretty easy if the dash was heated with
 a heat gun or hair drier from below. I have not been able to try these
 methods The three dash pads I have removed were in the junk yard.




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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: hesitation
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:52:12 -0700

If it's vacuum advance you should have severe spark knock at the same time.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
> bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could
be
> the vacuum advance or timing.



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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:58:56 -0500

What is spark knock? I don't want to sound to ignorant. But i've never heard
of it.. i know what knocking is. and i don't hear any knocking...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 14:52 Donny
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hesitation


> If it's vacuum advance you should have severe spark knock at the same
time.
>
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
>
> > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
> > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it
could
> be
> > the vacuum advance or timing.
>
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:26:48 EDT
Subject: Re: 33's

I run Sport King Radials on the back of Tweety.  They are 33x12.5R16.5.
Great tire as fas as desert terrain goes, They grab the loose stuff very
well.  Even work pretty good in mud, but I only got to try that once.  They
are a load range D, so they are more of a truck tire, than some of the stuff
out there.   They are a little soft, if you have a heavy foot, they wll wear
quickly.  But overall, Im very happy with them.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:30:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Ford V10

In a message dated 10/2/2000 7:46:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:


> What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10

I couldnt tell ya, but from what I understand its just a 5.4 with 2 extra
cylinders.  I think its around 6.8 liters, but I could be wrong.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: 33's
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:35:49 -0500

Cool. I'll look into them.  I heard 16.5 tires will be a killer price
----- Original Message -----
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To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 Donny
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 33's


> I run Sport King Radials on the back of Tweety.  They are 33x12.5R16.5.
> Great tire as fas as desert terrain goes, They grab the loose stuff very
> well.  Even work pretty good in mud, but I only got to try that once.
They
> are a load range D, so they are more of a truck tire, than some of the
stuff
> out there.   They are a little soft, if you have a heavy foot, they wll
wear
> quickly.  But overall, Im very happy with them.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:59:26 -0500
Subject: Re: hesitation
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>> > I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800.  It's got a 351M in it but when
> i
>> > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die.  I went and
>> > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it
> could be
>> > the vacuum advance or timing.
>> > What do you guys think?
>>
>> Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel
> So you think the power valve? Ok. I think the 2 barrel wasn't a holley
> though.  There is a holley carb on the motor.  I don't think the guy i got
> it from upgraded it. but i could be wrong.

Whatever brand it is it has a power valve or accelerator pump. That is
always the first thing to check when hesitation rears its ugly head,
especially when the air temperature suddenly drops from summer warmth. I
don't know where it is on a Holley, but there are plenty on the list who can
help you out.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation/ Now what is spark knock.
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:01:03 -0700

Spark knock is when the timing is too far advanced the engine goes into a
pre-ignition condition.  Also referred to as detonation.  Described as a
marbles in a tin can sound.  Can be caused by too high compression, advanced
timing, etc.  It usually comes in under load and can get worse (sounds
louder) if the throttle is opened under load.

Tom H.

>
> What is spark knock? I don't want to sound to ignorant. But
> i've never heard
> of it.. i know what knocking is. and i don't hear any knocking...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>

> > If it's vacuum advance you should have severe spark knock
> at the same
> time.
> >
> > Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
> >
> > > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will
> die.  I went and
> > > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in
> there that it
> could
> > be
> > > the vacuum advance or timing.
> >


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:08:34 EDT
Subject: Re: 33's

I forgot to give you a price!  I think I paid about $120 a piece for them.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:22:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Ford V10

>> What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10
>
>I couldnt tell ya, but from what I understand its just a 5.4 with 2 extra

>cylinders.  I think its around 6.8 liters, but I could be wrong.
>

Darrell you're very very close :)  It is 6.8L and it is basically a 5.4 with
2 extra cylinders (the extra bonus is that FMS headers with a little modification
can suddenly work for V10 headers, just add another port to them with the same
spacing and everything ...

The bore and stroke is actually like 3.55x4.16
Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:26:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Ford V10
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>>> What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10
>>
>>I couldnt tell ya, but from what I understand its just a 5.4 with 2 extra
>
>>cylinders.  I think its around 6.8 liters, but I could be wrong.
>>
>
> Darrell you're very very close :)  It is 6.8L and it is basically a 5.4 with
> 2 extra cylinders (the extra bonus is that FMS headers with a little
modification
> can suddenly work for V10 headers, just add another port to them with the same
> spacing and everything ...
>
> The bore and stroke is actually like 3.55x4.16

Ok, so that's why it sounds like a honda and has no guts compared to a 460.
It may say V10, but it is small. According to my calculations, a 460 is just
a tad over 7.5 liters. A 460 is bigger and has a bigger bore. Like Gary and
Azie say, there is no substitution for cubes.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: 33's
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:31:24 -0500

I called around to a few places ... i found some michealns mud terran's for
118 a piece.

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To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 13:08 Donny
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 33's


> I forgot to give you a price!  I think I paid about $120 a piece for them.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:31:13 -0400
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Sloppy steering

At 08:19 AM 10/2/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I thought
>4x4s had u-joints in the steering column.

They do.  At the column end of the steering shaft.  Rag joint is at bottom.

On my truck the rag joint is fine, however the u-joint has play in
it.  Also my track bar mount at the frame is loose (needs to be welded) and
the nuts are wallowing out the holes.  You can see this because when I turn
my wheel, the whole front end of the truck moves, rather than the wheels,
after about 1/4 revolution of the steering wheel, the wheels start moving.

George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com


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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:32:33 -0400
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS

hAt 10:01 PM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote:
>How
>in the 7734 it got past the screen was beyond him then, and now with
>experience myself, still wonder the same.


That one is easy to answer.  When my valve stem seals were breaking up 2
years ago, after the 2nd pin went, I replaced the oil pump and pickup.  I
replaced my pickup screen with a brand new Ford unit  If you look at the
screen in the pickup, you will notice that the screen is held in place by
being crimped in three places on the metal circle it fits into.  Other than
these three places, there is a fairly wide gap between the screen and the
housing, allowing plenty of room for a valve stem seal to slip through
(because it's flat.)  Anything I can slip on over the pickup (like
pantyhose) that will keep the shrapnel out.  My biggest fear now in this
truck is that I'll be out in the boonies and this will happen.  This time
is exploded the distributor drive gear, so no field fix would work. (I
carry a spare shear pin in the truck for emergencies.) So far I've been
lucky and I've been within 5 miles of home or work when the pin went.  I'll
get a mechanical oil pressure gauge to make sure the oil pump is spinning
and the pickup isn't clogged.  It's real easy in my truck to remove the oil
pan and change a pre-filter that's clogged, a lot easier than changing a
distributor, trying to line it up with the d* # rod, and you have to remove
the oil pan anyway to get the piece of junk out of the oil pump.

The valve stem seals I used to replace mine 2 year ago with were the
polyacrylate, which is a hard plastic.  My hope is with a different seal
type, I will get a bit of longer life out of it.

Now some clarification on my Slick 50 statement.  The original question
was: Why would people continue to buy the stuff with all the evidence
against it?  Now I don't actually use the stuff anymore.  But that's more
because of the fact that I usually drive a car for 6 months to a year, then
sell it for a profit than anything else.  As I stated in my recounting of
my Isuzu, I definitely don't swear up and down on a bible it helped, but as
mentioned, it probably didn't hurt, at least when I owned the truck.  So
there are probably at least a few people who either have a similar story or
heard from a friend a similar story, and figure, for $20 (the price now I
think, not really sure since I haven't used it in at least 5 years) I'll
give it a shot.  So my story was a potential scenario for why people would
continue to buy Slick 50, in spite of governmental and scientific evidence
(because everyone in the country always believes what the government and
scientists say anyway, right) more than my personal endorsement of its
effectiveness.


George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com


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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:55:01 -0500
Subject: Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> So my story was a potential scenario for why people would
> continue to buy Slick 50, in spite of governmental and scientific evidence
> (because everyone in the country always believes what the government and
> scientists say anyway, right) more than my personal endorsement of its
> effectiveness.

George,

I'd pick you over the government and scientists any day. Remember these are
the same people who brought us the ozone hole allegedly caused by R12
released in the U.S. but not the rest of the world and...aw, you know the
rest.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: slick 50... why?
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:43 -0500


This is getting old now, but... Slick 50 is BAAAAD!!! It does more harm than good! The company that makes Teflon says specifically not to put it in engines. It just clogs up oil filters!

When will people learn?

---Garrett www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: John LaGrone
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 1:55 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS


 > So my story was a potential scenario for why people would
 > continue to buy Slick 50, in spite of governmental and scientific evidence
 > (because everyone in the country always believes what the government and
 > scientists say anyway, right) more than my personal endorsement of its
 > effectiveness.

 George,

 I'd pick you over the government and scientists any day. Remember these are
 the same people who brought us the ozone hole allegedly caused by R12
 released in the U.S. but not the rest of the world and...aw, you know the
 rest.

 -- John
 jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
 http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
 Dearborn iron rules!!!!



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From: "Jeffery Hansen" <billybobjoehansen hotmail.com>
Subject: The Muny Pit
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:00:30 GMT

For those of you out there who have heard my plethera of problems with this
beast.  Just changed the oil for the third time (6000 miles on the 69 429
rebuild).  Full of cast iron chunks.  What is full?  Well I didn't count
them, but if it was white blood cells in a urinalisis I was looking at under
a microscope, I'd call it TNTC (To numerous to count).  What do I mean by
"chunks"?  Not a sliver or two of metal.  Chunks 1-3mm in jaggid diameter.
Magnetic.  ??? WTF.  At the first oil change (500 miles) it was full of
steel slivers, you'll recall, so I pulled the pan to look it all over, clean
it out, and changed the oil and filter four times within a 30 mile period
until it came out clean. It looked like glitter initialy.  Second oil change
at 3000 miles was without extra particles.  Runs 86-90 PSI oil cold, 70 at
speed, 40 at idle warm. Idles and runs smooth as a baby's butt. Had
everything balenced during the rebuild. Guy tells me could still be a cam
bearing journal (?) busted, or bottom of a cylinder (.040 over) if the
machine shop didn't get everything exactly true.  Runs fine (Sshhh - don't
tell it I said that) other then an occational desieling and ignition
pinging, irratic idle spurt.  When it was fresh, it did idle rough as all
heck for the first 1000 miles or so, which made me really question the $350
"balence" job the rotating mass got (took 15 hrs and required heavy metal).
That really "irked" the machinest you could say when I questioned it.  But
it smoothed out eventually.  I don't care at this point anymore.  Got three
weeks until I deploy for six months - will deside what to do with the truck
during my paid vacation in the Med. thanks to all you tax payers out there.
Maybe I'll hold a bon fire and sit around drinking beer and roasting ....


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