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Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #271 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Mon, 02 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 271 In This Issue: Re: sloppy steering Re: 351W project Coates Heads Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Re: Ford V10 Re: 300 PCV question Re: Dual Exhaust Amazing! hesitation 33's Re: hesitation 66 dash pad Rag Joint Re: Ford V10 Re: hesitation Re: 66 dash pad Re: hesitation Re: hesitation Re: 33's Re: Ford V10 Re: 33's Re: hesitation/ Now what is spark knock. Re: 33's Re: Ford V10 Re: 33's Sloppy steering Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS slick 50... why? The Muny Pit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:08:26 GMT Subject: Re: sloppy steering >Yes but the universal ones only have one large lug which is what the 2wd's >use but 4x4's need the dual heavy lug type. You can buy two universal kits >and use the heavy lugs of each or look for one made for 4x4's Actually there are 2 kits out there, the one I got had the lugs just like I needed them, though it didn't look that way til I read the instructions ... its amazing how much those can help ... anyway when converting mine to 78 style I put the rag joint in .. its much easier (and cheaper) to find and replace than that stupid CV joint or whatever it is at the end of the assist style of power steering ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:12:29 GMT Subject: Re: 351W project >So that's what I will be doing over the next year, so what does >everyone think? Will my plan for output work? Will it be a reliable >worker? Any comments, suggestions & questions will be a great help. Uhm, wow, that's a pretty lofty goal, but then you gotta set the bar higher right ? :) I'm not sure what you'll end up with for an actual displacement and power output, but the whole idea is there ... talk with the cam manufacturers and such, I think you can probably find one to do almost all of the stuff you're looking for ... a switch to a roller cam would require another couple bucks maybe, but the extra performance and mileage you can pick up might be worth the added cost to meet your needs ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Coates Heads Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:05:35 -0500 Dwight C writes: >>Azie, here is the site, I bookmarked it.<< Thank you very much... I also bookmarked it this time. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:14:30 GMT Subject: Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco >I've taken it apart and found the drum is saturated with gear oil. I would suspect axle seals of some sort, but what about the brakes ? I mean I know you said gear oil, but sometimes a little brake fluid and some brake dust, factor in some heat and its hard to recognize ... I'd start by being sure the wheel cylinders weren't leaking ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:18:34 GMT Subject: Re: Ford V10 >What you'll see with this motor is it will do everything you >want it too, but it doesn't supply any of the felt horsepower other motor >have. I think this is the problem a lot of people have with the new modular motor's, they don't FEEL like they're working, or like the old motors 'cause they don't have that kick in the butt feel that you expect from a V8. I know when the new Cobra's came out with their DOHC motor's a lot of guys said they were slower than the venerable 5.0L 'stangs ... but everytime they went to the track the new motor would come out on top ... My car's not exactly stock anymore, so its nice to actually HEAR the exhaust and you can tell what's going on with it ... one of my friends drove it while I nursed a parts car home. He hated it (sort of) ... he loved the acceleration and everything, but he had no idea where to shift it! The torque and power is smooth enough that there was no feel (to him anyway) about where to shift to maximize power or efficiency, where the older motors had more defined curves and you could feel them slack off their pull a bit and just know when to shift it ... don't know if that's very clear, but if you've driven a lot, you probably have an idea what I'm talkin about... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:24:16 GMT Subject: Re: 300 PCV question >There is no real differnce between the two systems, they both use ambient >air pressure at the inlet and PVC at the out let to the crank case. I guess I didn't say that quite right ... I meant they changed the air filter housing's to accept the smaller filter inside and draw air through that, it wasn't a system change, just an implementation change :) >On most old engines this little filter is full of oil due to blow by over >powering the PVC system and oil backing up through the inlet hose to the Seems like this was responsible for more than a couple of engine fires ... a good reason to always check it ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:25:26 GMT Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust >Fortunately you can buy a system from Hooker for $129.95 from >PAW page 1078 1998 catalog(orange color). They have both >manifold back Hooker PN 16661 and header back 16561. Both pipes >run down the right side of the truck. > >I have the same setup on my 1979 F150 2WD w/glasspacks and it is >great Hey does anyone have pics of this system ? I'm afraid to admit I don't have a PAW catalog, nor do I know anyone who does ... if anyone has a pic of the system or a scan of the page I'd really appreciate it ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 08:32:25 -0600 From: Harry Vermillion <north40 verinet.com>
Subject: Amazing! Hey, I was between machines and doin' some other things for a week or so, but when I got back online and downloaded the mail and this list, I went through the stuff pertaining to Dawn Chere. You guys should be teaching. I know distance has something to do with it, but what patience. I sort of wish this technology was around when I started wrenching, I would have learned more without doing things twice or three times, then again, maybe I needed the practice. There should be more lists like this - many more. -- Harry E. Vermillion E-mail: north40 verinet.com
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:33:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Ford V10 From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> It will just about be the smoothest > running engine you've ever seen, but oddly it sounds like a Honda. Darrell, What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10? I'll bet that's why it sounds like a honda. Small bore, lower displacement per cylinder, littler explosions, better fuel economy, less power, etc. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: hesitation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:45:28 -0500 Hey guys. I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800. It's got a 351M in it but when i really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die. I went and bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be the vacuum advance or timing. What do you guys think? ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: 33's Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:59:03 -0500 Hey does anyone know of a good tire that comes in 16.5 and are 33's? Thanks -Don Thurlow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:02:39 -0500 Subject: Re: hesitation From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800. It's got a 351M in it but when i > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die. I went and > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be > the vacuum advance or timing. > What do you guys think? Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:26:35 -0700 I agree... -----Original Message----- From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:03 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hesitation > I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800. It's got a 351M in it but when i > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die. I went and > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be > the vacuum advance or timing. > What do you guys think? Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 08:38:39 -0700 From: Brian Koss <bkoss mail.arc.nasa.gov>
Subject: 66 dash pad It is possible to remove the dash pad with out destroying it. It is much easier with the windshield removed. You need to work it off with a thin piece of sheet metal. The dash pad is glued to the dash with rubber contact cement. It would probably come off pretty easy if the dash was heated with a heat gun or hair drier from below. I have not been able to try these methods The three dash pads I have removed were in the junk yard. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Rag Joint Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:30:47 -0500 Robertt Y writes: >>I believe my 1978 has this type of steering connection. The joint described above is horribly loose. I'm wondering what it takes to fix this problem. Can the intermediate material simply be replaced, << Try your local AutoZone or NAPA or whatever you prefer. Very common. low $, piece. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: Ford V10 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:44:20 -0500 Yup, I know exactly what you mean, I drove a Mustang with that 4.6L and 5-spd. Lot of difference between that and my pickup with a 240 and 3-spd =P. -----Original Message----- From: u00008 ford-trucks.net [mailto:u00008 ford-trucks.net]On Behalf Of
wish Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:19 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ford V10 >What you'll see with this motor is it will do everything you >want it too, but it doesn't supply any of the felt horsepower other motor >have. I think this is the problem a lot of people have with the new modular motor's, they don't FEEL like they're working, or like the old motors 'cause they don't have that kick in the butt feel that you expect from a V8. I know when the new Cobra's came out with their DOHC motor's a lot of guys said they were slower than the venerable 5.0L 'stangs ... but everytime they went to the track the new motor would come out on top ... My car's not exactly stock anymore, so its nice to actually HEAR the exhaust and you can tell what's going on with it ... one of my friends drove it while I nursed a parts car home. He hated it (sort of) ... he loved the acceleration and everything, but he had no idea where to shift it! The torque and power is smooth enough that there was no feel (to him anyway) about where to shift to maximize power or efficiency, where the older motors had more defined curves and you could feel them slack off their pull a bit and just know when to shift it ... don't know if that's very clear, but if you've driven a lot, you probably have an idea what I'm talkin about... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:04:25 -0500 > > I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800. It's got a 351M in it but when i > > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die. I went and > > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be > > the vacuum advance or timing. > > What do you guys think? > > Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel So you think the power valve? Ok. I think the 2 barrel wasn't a holley though. There is a holley carb on the motor. I don't think the guy i got it from upgraded it. but i could be wrong. ------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: 66 dash pad Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:26:05 -0500 Thanks for the advice. I do already have the windshield out, so it shouldn't be too hard. ---Garrett www.1966ford.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Koss To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:38 AM Subject: [61-79-list] 66 dash pad It is possible to remove the dash pad with out destroying it. It is much easier with the windshield removed. You need to work it off with a thin piece of sheet metal. The dash pad is glued to the dash with rubber contact cement. It would probably come off pretty easy if the dash was heated with a heat gun or hair drier from below. I have not been able to try these methods The three dash pads I have removed were in the junk yard. ------------------------------ From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: hesitation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:52:12 -0700 If it's vacuum advance you should have severe spark knock at the same time. Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-) > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die. I went and > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could be > the vacuum advance or timing. ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:58:56 -0500 What is spark knock? I don't want to sound to ignorant. But i've never heard of it.. i know what knocking is. and i don't hear any knocking... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 14:52 Donny Subject: [61-79-list] Re: hesitation > If it's vacuum advance you should have severe spark knock at the same time. > > Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-) > > > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die. I went and > > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it could > be > > the vacuum advance or timing. > > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:26:48 EDT Subject: Re: 33's I run Sport King Radials on the back of Tweety. They are 33x12.5R16.5. Great tire as fas as desert terrain goes, They grab the loose stuff very well. Even work pretty good in mud, but I only got to try that once. They are a load range D, so they are more of a truck tire, than some of the stuff out there. They are a little soft, if you have a heavy foot, they wll wear quickly. But overall, Im very happy with them. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:30:50 EDT Subject: Re: Ford V10 In a message dated 10/2/2000 7:46:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:
> What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10 I couldnt tell ya, but from what I understand its just a 5.4 with 2 extra cylinders. I think its around 6.8 liters, but I could be wrong. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: 33's Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:35:49 -0500 Cool. I'll look into them. I heard 16.5 tires will be a killer price ----- Original Message ----- From: <JUMPINFORD aol.com>
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:26 Donny Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 33's > I run Sport King Radials on the back of Tweety. They are 33x12.5R16.5. > Great tire as fas as desert terrain goes, They grab the loose stuff very > well. Even work pretty good in mud, but I only got to try that once. They > are a load range D, so they are more of a truck tire, than some of the stuff > out there. They are a little soft, if you have a heavy foot, they wll wear > quickly. But overall, Im very happy with them. > > Darrell & Tweety > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:59:26 -0500 Subject: Re: hesitation From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
>> > I just bought a 79 ford f-250 for $800. It's got a 351M in it but when > i >> > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will die. I went and >> > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in there that it > could be >> > the vacuum advance or timing. >> > What do you guys think? >> >> Power valve on the carb, especially if it's the stock 2 barrel > So you think the power valve? Ok. I think the 2 barrel wasn't a holley > though. There is a holley carb on the motor. I don't think the guy i got > it from upgraded it. but i could be wrong. Whatever brand it is it has a power valve or accelerator pump. That is always the first thing to check when hesitation rears its ugly head, especially when the air temperature suddenly drops from summer warmth. I don't know where it is on a Holley, but there are plenty on the list who can help you out. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: hesitation/ Now what is spark knock. Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:01:03 -0700 Spark knock is when the timing is too far advanced the engine goes into a pre-ignition condition. Also referred to as detonation. Described as a marbles in a tin can sound. Can be caused by too high compression, advanced timing, etc. It usually comes in under load and can get worse (sounds louder) if the throttle is opened under load. Tom H. > > What is spark knock? I don't want to sound to ignorant. But > i've never heard > of it.. i know what knocking is. and i don't hear any knocking... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
> > If it's vacuum advance you should have severe spark knock > at the same > time. > > > > Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, > > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-) > > > > > really stomp on it it will hesitate so bad that it will > die. I went and > > > bought the haynes manual for the truck and it says in > there that it > could > > be > > > the vacuum advance or timing. > > ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:08:34 EDT Subject: Re: 33's I forgot to give you a price! I think I paid about $120 a piece for them. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:22:50 GMT Subject: Re: Ford V10 >> What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10 > >I couldnt tell ya, but from what I understand its just a 5.4 with 2 extra >cylinders. I think its around 6.8 liters, but I could be wrong. > Darrell you're very very close :) It is 6.8L and it is basically a 5.4 with 2 extra cylinders (the extra bonus is that FMS headers with a little modification can suddenly work for V10 headers, just add another port to them with the same spacing and everything ... The bore and stroke is actually like 3.55x4.16 Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:26:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Ford V10 From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
>>> What is the bore, stroke and displacement of the V10 >> >>I couldnt tell ya, but from what I understand its just a 5.4 with 2 extra > >>cylinders. I think its around 6.8 liters, but I could be wrong. >> > > Darrell you're very very close :) It is 6.8L and it is basically a 5.4 with > 2 extra cylinders (the extra bonus is that FMS headers with a little modification > can suddenly work for V10 headers, just add another port to them with the same > spacing and everything ... > > The bore and stroke is actually like 3.55x4.16 Ok, so that's why it sounds like a honda and has no guts compared to a 460. It may say V10, but it is small. According to my calculations, a 460 is just a tad over 7.5 liters. A 460 is bigger and has a bigger bore. Like Gary and Azie say, there is no substitution for cubes. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Don Thurlow" <don.thurlow greenbaynet.com>
Subject: Re: 33's Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:31:24 -0500 I called around to a few places ... i found some michealns mud terran's for 118 a piece. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JUMPINFORD aol.com>
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 13:08 Donny Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 33's > I forgot to give you a price! I think I paid about $120 a piece for them. > > Darrell & Tweety > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:31:13 -0400 From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Sloppy steering At 08:19 AM 10/2/00 -0400, you wrote: >I thought >4x4s had u-joints in the steering column. They do. At the column end of the steering shaft. Rag joint is at bottom. On my truck the rag joint is fine, however the u-joint has play in it. Also my track bar mount at the frame is loose (needs to be welded) and the nuts are wallowing out the holes. You can see this because when I turn my wheel, the whole front end of the truck moves, rather than the wheels, after about 1/4 revolution of the steering wheel, the wheels start moving. George Selby 78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd 86 Nissan 300ZX gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:32:33 -0400 From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS hAt 10:01 PM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: >How >in the 7734 it got past the screen was beyond him then, and now with >experience myself, still wonder the same. That one is easy to answer. When my valve stem seals were breaking up 2 years ago, after the 2nd pin went, I replaced the oil pump and pickup. I replaced my pickup screen with a brand new Ford unit If you look at the screen in the pickup, you will notice that the screen is held in place by being crimped in three places on the metal circle it fits into. Other than these three places, there is a fairly wide gap between the screen and the housing, allowing plenty of room for a valve stem seal to slip through (because it's flat.) Anything I can slip on over the pickup (like pantyhose) that will keep the shrapnel out. My biggest fear now in this truck is that I'll be out in the boonies and this will happen. This time is exploded the distributor drive gear, so no field fix would work. (I carry a spare shear pin in the truck for emergencies.) So far I've been lucky and I've been within 5 miles of home or work when the pin went. I'll get a mechanical oil pressure gauge to make sure the oil pump is spinning and the pickup isn't clogged. It's real easy in my truck to remove the oil pan and change a pre-filter that's clogged, a lot easier than changing a distributor, trying to line it up with the d* # rod, and you have to remove
the oil pan anyway to get the piece of junk out of the oil pump. The valve stem seals I used to replace mine 2 year ago with were the polyacrylate, which is a hard plastic. My hope is with a different seal type, I will get a bit of longer life out of it. Now some clarification on my Slick 50 statement. The original question was: Why would people continue to buy the stuff with all the evidence against it? Now I don't actually use the stuff anymore. But that's more because of the fact that I usually drive a car for 6 months to a year, then sell it for a profit than anything else. As I stated in my recounting of my Isuzu, I definitely don't swear up and down on a bible it helped, but as mentioned, it probably didn't hurt, at least when I owned the truck. So there are probably at least a few people who either have a similar story or heard from a friend a similar story, and figure, for $20 (the price now I think, not really sure since I haven't used it in at least 5 years) I'll give it a shot. So my story was a potential scenario for why people would continue to buy Slick 50, in spite of governmental and scientific evidence (because everyone in the country always believes what the government and scientists say anyway, right) more than my personal endorsement of its effectiveness. George Selby 78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd 86 Nissan 300ZX gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:55:01 -0500 Subject: Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> So my story was a potential scenario for why people would > continue to buy Slick 50, in spite of governmental and scientific evidence > (because everyone in the country always believes what the government and > scientists say anyway, right) more than my personal endorsement of its > effectiveness. George, I'd pick you over the government and scientists any day. Remember these are the same people who brought us the ozone hole allegedly caused by R12 released in the U.S. but not the rest of the world and...aw, you know the rest. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: slick 50... why? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:43 -0500 This is getting old now, but... Slick 50 is BAAAAD!!! It does more harm than good! The company that makes Teflon says specifically not to put it in engines. It just clogs up oil filters! When will people learn? ---Garrett www.1966ford.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John LaGrone To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS > So my story was a potential scenario for why people would > continue to buy Slick 50, in spite of governmental and scientific evidence > (because everyone in the country always believes what the government and > scientists say anyway, right) more than my personal endorsement of its > effectiveness. George, I'd pick you over the government and scientists any day. Remember these are the same people who brought us the ozone hole allegedly caused by R12 released in the U.S. but not the rest of the world and...aw, you know the rest. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Jeffery Hansen" <billybobjoehansen hotmail.com>
Subject: The Muny Pit Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:00:30 GMT For those of you out there who have heard my plethera of problems with this beast. Just changed the oil for the third time (6000 miles on the 69 429 rebuild). Full of cast iron chunks. What is full? Well I didn't count them, but if it was white blood cells in a urinalisis I was looking at under a microscope, I'd call it TNTC (To numerous to count). What do I mean by "chunks"? Not a sliver or two of metal. Chunks 1-3mm in jaggid diameter. Magnetic. ??? WTF. At the first oil change (500 miles) it was full of steel slivers, you'll recall, so I pulled the pan to look it all over, clean it out, and changed the oil and filter four times within a 30 mile period until it came out clean. It looked like glitter initialy. Second oil change at 3000 miles was without extra particles. Runs 86-90 PSI oil cold, 70 at speed, 40 at idle warm. Idles and runs smooth as a baby's butt. Had everything balenced during the rebuild. Guy tells me could still be a cam bearing journal (?) busted, or bottom of a cylinder (.040 over) if the machine shop didn't get everything exactly true. Runs fine (Sshhh - don't tell it I said that) other then an occational desieling and ignition pinging, irratic idle spurt. When it was fresh, it did idle rough as all heck for the first 1000 miles or so, which made me really question the $350 "balence" job the rotating mass got (took 15 hrs and required heavy metal). That really "irked" the machinest you could say when I questioned it. But it smoothed out eventually. I don't care at this point anymore. Got three weeks until I deploy for six months - will deside what to do with the truck during my paid vacation in the Med. thanks to all you tax payers out there. Maybe I'll hold a bon fire and sit around drinking beer and roasting .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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