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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server <listar To: 61-79-list digest users <listar Reply-to: 61-79-list Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #269 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Fri, 29 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 269 In This Issue: Re: Ad 588147 Re: Ad 588147 Re: radius arm/axle bushing issue Old Radio Re: Lift? Re: Ford Lightning Re: Found source: Metal Bits in Pan Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) Re: Ford V10 Re: Metal Bits in my oil pan and Valve Stem Seals Seattle FTE Get Together Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS Re: Lift? Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) Back on the list lights GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Project Parts Acquired Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WEDIVE247 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:39:45 EDT Subject: Re: Ad 588147 In a message dated 9/29/2000 8:00:51 PM EST, flash1 << http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ep.com/js/mi/c0/n0/588147.html > >> > > Your address doesn't seem to work . Are you sure of the address ?? > I'll try again... > ============================================================= YEP i just tried it and it works for me gordon >> Yea , it worked for me also . Don't know what I was doing wrong . Thanks !!! Steve 64 f100 460ci ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 Subject: Re: Ad 588147 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:51:22 -0400 Yea , it worked for me also . Don't know what I was doing wrong . > Thanks !!! > > Steve 64 f100 460ci > ============================================================= it says in the ad they also have other manuals as well as those listed in hemmings motor news there used to be a place in newberry ohio that had all kinds of factory manuals also for about 20.00 gordon ------------------------------ From: Aeroape82 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:48:53 EDT Subject: Re: radius arm/axle bushing issue I just converted my F150 to a F250 I have a set of dropped radius arms if you don't mind used. Heck I have the whole front end if you need other stuff. Contact off list. Aeroape82 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:00:48 -0400 From: "O'Connor" <theoconnors Subject: Old Radio Hi, Does anyone know anything about an old Philco radio Superheterdyne model FT6 code 121. What are they worth and where can they be found? Tim 66 F100 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:23:26 -0400 From: George Selby <gselby4x4 Subject: Re: Lift? At 09:13 PM 9/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >George, you have a lift too? :-) 3" Rancho lift, sorry if that was confusing, but I do slide right under the truck, put on a 12" extension on the air rachet and can unbolt all the oil pan bolts laying on my creeper, then the oil pan drops right out, don't even have to jack the truck up. My business partner and I DO have a 7000# car lift, but we need the control box for it and the safety supports, we have the lift itself and most of the hydraulics, just need to assemble. We will put it in his garage (bigger at his house than mine) but after that I'll have access pretty much whenever I want. George Selby 78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd 86 Nissan 300ZX gselby4x4 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam Subject: Re: Ford Lightning Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:22:03 -0400 I attended the truck fest 2000 at Norwalk Raceway Park in Ohio three weeks ago & there were about 7 newer Lightnings there & each one of them ran in the low to mid 13's. -----Original Message----- From: wish <wish To: 61-79-list Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ford Lightning > > >>I read the recent discussion about Superchargers and >>the Ford Lightning and I would like to know what time >>a factory setup Ford Lightning would turn in a quarter >>mile? >> > >Depends what year you're talkin ... check out www.nloc.org and you can probably >find all the specs. Off the top of my head I'm thinkin the old ones ran around >the mid to high 15's in the quarter (they could turn too though) ... the new >(99+) are quite a bit under that, I've heard as low as 13.6 I think and that >was mostly stock if not completely ... that super really wakes them up ... but >I think the new ones are saddled with 3.27 or 3.55 gears which really hurts >them in stock form ... > >Just my $.02 >wish > >96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L >73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish > >Ford Truck Enthusiasts >http://www.ford-trucks.com >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: "Deacon" <deconblu Subject: Re: Found source: Metal Bits in Pan Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:36:31 -0700 > Now my question: I seem to remember someone finding rubber (instead of > hard plastic) valve stem seals for the 400. Anyone remember where I can > get some of these? When I looked for them for my 302 (I'd be willing to bet they are the same but not for sure) every where I went they told me it was a dealer item. Finally I looked at their screen and sure enough, they were looking up the wrong thing. Turned out everyone had them (PepBoys, AutoZone...). I wish I still the part number but it's just another thing I realized I lost in the house fire. Later! Deacon deconblu deconblu http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar Subject: Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:13:46 -0700 The frame differences and ride height only apply to the F250s. Theres no such animal as a F150 (or F100) highboy. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD Happiness is a handful of warm deer guts ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" <derrar Subject: Re: Ford V10 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:54:40 -0700 Hate to be the bearer of negative news, but You shoulda bought the Diesel. Better mileage, more power, more grunt, better resale value. I have almost 100K miles on mine and it just keeps getting better. I don't use mine to tow everyday either. Mainly just going back and forth to work, I'm getting around 18 mpg. Low 20's on the highway, if I keep it under 70 (with 4.10's and the auto, I got even better with the 5 speed). Towing with GCWR around 18K (with the Bronco, FTE content :^) ), it gets a respectable 12 to 14 mpg, with very decent pulling power. On the other hand, there are some ECM chips and exhaust systems on the market that will put a little fire into the V10. It's not all that bad of an engine. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD Happiness is a handful of warm deer guts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Marino" <redneck To: <61-79-list Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Ford V10 > You know, I'm very discouraged to hear this; > > I just went out a week and a half ago and ordered a 2001 Regular cab F-250 > 4x4 Superduty with a V10 and a 5 speed. Heavy duty everything, with 3.73 > ratio gears. I dropped 26K of smack down on it and it should arrive > sometime in the next three weeks as they are building it for me. > > I have NEVER driven, nor rode in a V10. The way I looked at it, the 5.4 > isn't enough motor for hauling anything I haul, and the Diesel is awesome > (trust me, have a friend with a F-350 4x4 with a powerstroke) but for my > short, constant, stop and go, turn on/turn off type of driving, I figured > I'd nuke the diesel. (plus I can't really afford the extra cost) > > I've been trying to find as much information on the V10 as I can, but the > one thing I want to hear from is the people who drive them! AND USE > THEM! I'm probably one of the biggest 300 fans, I own a ton of them, hop > them up, and love the low end grunt they give me-- I've heard these V10's > don't have that, but produce only mid-range power. I also have a 390 that > smokes in a '76 F-250 4x4, and it just rock'n'roll's all over the place. > > How is the V10 going to stack up in your opinions? Tell me why, not just > reply with "it's crap" or "it's good". Am I going to be happy with it > doing what I maily will do with it? (empty runnin') and the occasional > haul of about 7000 lbs to Tennessee and back? I know mileage sucks, but I > don't really care about that. > > Thanks guys- > > (and at the pulls last year, they were at least beating the dodge V10's!) > > Tony Marino > redneck > > > ><< I'm positive it will out pull the stock Ford V10s I saw > >at the pull this year ... what a bunch of dogs :-( > >( and , no , they did not run out of traction ... ) > > > > >> > > > >I had the pleasure of driving my dads friends brand new F-350 with the V-10. > >I was not impressed at all. It had all the pick up of an old wore out 351m. > >How Ford could ever consider that as a replacement for the 460 is beyond me. > >Dont get me wrong, its a neat motor, but all in all, it was noisy, weak in > >the knees, and got worse mileage tham Tweety's 460. > > > >Darrell & Tweety > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:04:05 EDT Subject: Re: Metal Bits in my oil pan and Valve Stem Seals I have a set of these rubber valve stem seals, but they were for a 351 Cleveland. I may be wrong, but aren't the seals the same for both 351C and 400 heads? I didn't use them in my Cleveland heads because I used the graphite, press on type. The rubber ones I have are yours if you want them. I guess it would be easy enough to buy some locally where you are though. Rollie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:09:33 -0700 From: Tim Bowman <tkbowman Subject: Seattle FTE Get Together CJ is unable to join us in Seattle this fall, so I'm polling all you Seattle area FTE'rs for what dates will work for you to get together like we did a year ago. Write me offlist with your options for dates and I'll try to put something together. If you're from out of town (more than 50 miles from Seattle), come join us with your truck or 2 pictures of your truck and I'll buy your meal! -- Tim Bowman Burien, WA tkbowman Website: www.users.uswest.net/~tkbowman (Pacific NW Carshow Information & more) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:03:55 -0400 From: James Oxley <luxjo Subject: Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) Eric Finn wrote: > > Ok folks. I figured I'd ask a question and see if anyone can help me out > here. I'm to the point in my bronco rebuild where I've come to the > realization that I won't get it done before winter hits. This is a > problem since I need to use my Bronco as a winter driver. My mustang > doesn't do snow or ice. :-) I'm looking for a later 70's F-series 4x4 to > use this winter. The way I figure it I've got enough spare Ford parts for > this vintage that if something does go wrong I might already have what I > need. Ideally I'd like to find a pickup with a wrecked front-end since > I've got so many spare front body parts laying around it'd be pretty easy > to fix one up. So now on with my questions. > If you find one beat and it need the parts you have, I'd go for it, but late 70's ford trucks are getting pricey for even junk. If it is a short time beater, I'd look a for an early to mid 80's 150 4 X 4. They are at the point in time were they are too old to be worth anything and to young to be worth anything :-). Keep it for a year and you could prob sell it for what you bought it for. OX ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 Subject: Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:42:17 -0400 if you are anywheres near mentor ohio i know where theres a real nice bronco for sale there that looks to be about a 79 gordon ------------------------------ From: "Jeffery Hansen" <billybobjoehansen Subject: A GROUP OF RECENT SUBJECTS Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:29:49 GMT I'd like to post an experience I witnessed once with my father that can tie up a whole lot of recent subjects: In regards to the izziu that ran without oil - and honest advertizing - valve stem seals, etc. Back in the late 70's he and my mom had a 68 Falcon Wagon with a 289. One cold winter day it just up and died on my mom. After finding the distrib. wasn't turning - he pulled the distrib and found the pin sheared. We threw it on the hay trailor and took it to a friends heated shop 21 miles away. After pulling the oli pan he found a peice of the valve seal in the oil pump. How in the 7734 it got past the screen was beyond him then, and now with experience myself, still wonder the same. Who is it looking for rubber valve seals because thiers are plastic and broke? They start life as rubber - after hundreds of heatings and coolings they turn brittle and appear plastic in the bottom of the oil pan. He and David spent the whole night changing the oil pump and valve stem seals, cleaning out the oil pan, looking at all rod and mains, reassmeblng it, timing, etc. That morning (was still dark) we hopped in her to drive home. About half a mile from Davids we began hearing what dad said was a bearing tick. I didn't know - him being a former Winged Sprint car driver was always right about such things but this time he second guessed himself because they had done such a thurough job cleaning it all out, and the bearings had looked fine. We made it to about 1/2 mile from home when she seized up. It was the main bearings. No oil. Getting to the old addage - more is better -when they replaced the shear pin in the distributor - they put a stronger one in. Somehow - ANOTHER peice of seal got in the pump again -the pin didn't shear - the oil pump shaft twisted off - and we kept on a going until it could go no more. My point is - if you're happy and feel confident in Slick 50, STP, and/or any particular brand of oil and what they say it will, it might, it should, it could possibly do for you - then stick with it. But that TV commercial for - I can't remember what product it is - where they have that Inline engine sitting there running and hosing it down with a hose, people "oohing" and "aahing" - DOESN'T IMPRESS ME AT ALL. Sure it will. Would previeously treated with or without with anything. Water's keeping it cool. Water is surely even acting as an oil flowing constantly. Same with the commercial where "We drained the oil from these engines...." Yeah - saw it myself that night long long ago. Sure they'll all keep running to a point. I KNOW - HAD IT INGRAINED IN ME THAT COLD MORNING LONG AGO - BECAUSE GUESS WHO HAD TO WALK HOME AND GET THE TRACTOR AND LOG CHAIN.......You know what I'm talking about there Rich. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Gary" <gpeters3 Subject: Re: Lift? Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:37:31 -0700 I did a lot of research before I bought mine. Just curious about what brand you have and what style? Sounds like and above ground, two post type? What safety supports? I've found that you can work very comfortably with a 12' ceiling but I would hesitate to use a lift in anything lower than that because you would have to measure every vehicle for safe lift height to prevent hitting the trusses. All my vehicles go full height but my friend's van with handycapper top had to stop at 64" but was still easy to work on at that height. (just had to duck more :-)) It's still really great for such things as brake jobs and tire rotation and other, non full lift functions though........really great :-) I don't know if you've noticed but this is exciting news for me. I really enjoy hearing about other's success in this area because it just adds so much to the joy of working on the vehicles :-) If this is your hobby it's worth the outlay......way worth it :-) I actually designed my barn with this in mind but wanted 14' ceiling. Building codes wouldn't allow it in a residential area so he let me fudge at 12' which was still slightly over code for my area. Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-) > My business partner and I DO have a 7000# car lift, but we need the control > box for it and the safety supports, we have the lift itself and most of the > hydraulics, just need to assemble. We will put it in his garage ------------------------------ From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 Subject: Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:19:42 -0500 Can always make one. <grin> '67 F100 247. That's right, 247 =)(240 .060 over) -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce [mailto:61-79-list-bounce Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 12:14 AM To: 61-79-list Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s) The frame differences and ride height only apply to the F250s. Theres no such animal as a F150 (or F100) highboy. Jason '69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435 '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD Happiness is a handful of warm deer guts ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Radoje Spasojevic" <rspasoje Subject: Back on the list Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:23:49 -0700 After unzubbing a while ago due to lack of time, I finally broke down and got back on the list. For all you who don't know me (Hi Ox!), my name is Rade, and I am the proud owner of a '76 F-250 Crew cab. It's got a 390 FE, and being a crew cab, has a front Dana 60. I mostly use it as a Bronco-hauler/parts runner, but it has a very warm place in my heart as the vehicle I learned to drive a stick on. Anyhow looking forward to being back among fellow Ford truck nuts. Radoje Spasojevic "Nerves of Steel, Brains of Chipmunk" '90XLT-351W-AOD-BW1356-Dana44-Ford8.8(Lockright)-3.55 '83Custom-300-Clark4spd-NP208-Dana44-Ford8.8"-3.08 '87Eddie Bauer-No engine-No tranny-No t-case-No axles-No front clip http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.2bigbroncos.org --Rubicon tested-- ********************************** ------------------------------ From: "Bob" <xavetarx Subject: lights Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:51:33 -0400 Thanks to all that responded. I now have a 79 bronco with all the (exterior) lights in working order. I needed to replace a fixture socket, clean most of the others free of rust, scrape clean the fuse box of corrosion, replace a few bulbs, and clean the brake switch. I'm sure most of my interior problems lie in the fuse box (fuel gauge, dome light, etc..) Now onto the sacrilegious GM 14 bolt rear... ------------------------------ From: "Bob" <xavetarx Subject: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:53:22 -0400 To all who don't know already, I have acquired a 79 Bronco with a GM 14 Bolt rear. I've taken it apart and found the drum is saturated with gear oil. (this rear has the inner hub with eight bolts that need to be removed; in order to take the axle shaft out; in order to take the drum off) I'm assuming that the metal gasket leaked, but am not certain. There was a bunch of blue, rubber like sealant that was placed between the gasket and the drum. I don't know how similar the 14 bolt is to say a Dana 70, but would anyone be able to help me, or send me in the proper direction to where I might find help for diagnosing? Thanks, -bob- ------------------------------ From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 Subject: Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:00:46 -0500 What about bearings? My 9" diff did that and it was the bearings on the shaft. I have no clue about any other axle except an 8 or 9" so I'm just guessing =P -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce [mailto:61-79-list-bounce Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 7:53 PM To: 61-79-list Subject: [61-79-list] GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco To all who don't know already, I have acquired a 79 Bronco with a GM 14 Bolt rear. I've taken it apart and found the drum is saturated with gear oil. (this rear has the inner hub with eight bolts that need to be removed; in order to take the axle shaft out; in order to take the drum off) I'm assuming that the metal gasket leaked, but am not certain. There was a bunch of blue, rubber like sealant that was placed between the gasket and the drum. I don't know how similar the 14 bolt is to say a Dana 70, but would anyone be able to help me, or send me in the proper direction to where I might find help for diagnosing? Thanks, -bob- ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:10:20 -0400 From: Ken Payne <kpayne Subject: Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco At 08:53 PM 9/30/00, you wrote: >To all who don't know already, I have acquired a 79 Bronco with a GM 14 Bolt >rear. I've taken it apart and found the drum is saturated with gear oil. >(this rear has the inner hub with eight bolts that need to be removed; in >order to take the axle shaft out; in order to take the drum off) I'm >assuming that the metal gasket leaked, but am not certain. There was a >bunch of blue, rubber like sealant that was placed between the gasket and >the drum. I don't know how similar the 14 bolt is to say a Dana 70, but >would anyone be able to help me, or send me in the proper direction to where >I might find help for diagnosing? > >Thanks, > >-bob- Try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chevytrucks.org/ They are likely to have GM 14 bolt knowledge and they'll probably have a higher level of interest then many of the FTE users. Later, Ken ------------------------------ From: "Bob" <xavetarx Subject: Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:12:00 -0400 That could be the case as well. I don't know how to replace the bearings though. I was pretty frustrated at this point in the disassembly and didn't look at them in detail, but it looks as if they are forged in there (even though they are lose)? Thanks for the advice, I'll take better notice tomorrow. -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce [mailto:61-79-list-bounce Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:01 PM To: 61-79-list Subject: [61-79-list] Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco What about bearings? My 9" diff did that and it was the bearings on the shaft. I have no clue about any other axle except an 8 or 9" so I'm just guessing =P -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce [mailto:61-79-list-bounce Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 7:53 PM To: 61-79-list Subject: [61-79-list] GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco To all who don't know already, I have acquired a 79 Bronco with a GM 14 Bolt rear. I've taken it apart and found the drum is saturated with gear oil. (this rear has the inner hub with eight bolts that need to be removed; in order to take the axle shaft out; in order to take the drum off) I'm assuming that the metal gasket leaked, but am not certain. There was a bunch of blue, rubber like sealant that was placed between the gasket and the drum. I don't know how similar the 14 bolt is to say a Dana 70, but would anyone be able to help me, or send me in the proper direction to where I might find help for diagnosing? Thanks, -bob- ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:44:48 -0700 From: Tim Bowman <tkbowman Subject: Project Parts Acquired I used my 71 F100 (FTE content) to pickup a complete Mustang II front end for the upcoming '56 Ford P/U that I'd like to build. Now, to find the pickup! -- Tim Bowman Burien, WA tkbowman Website: www.users.uswest.net/~tkbowman (Pacific NW Carshow Information & more) ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:57:15 EDT Subject: Re: GM 14 bolt rear LEAKS under 79 Bronco Id go get a book for say a 73-87 Chevy that will cover that rearend. The info you need should be there. As for the rest of the book, burn it into a sacrificial fire, and say a prayer to the mighty blue oval. That should help appease the gods for the 14 bolt under your Bronco. .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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